Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

You can do it out of any play because you can always hot route streaks.

I've had success against all the base coverages so far.

Seems more acceptable than superman Lbs. As there are ways to combat streaks which are more believable than Lbs that can catch every pass and jump 20 feet.

[GoJags904]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

I have witnessed overall good coverage. There are some issues just as in any Madden but I don't see anything exceptionally bad this year.

Can you post these good coverage examples because i have experienced and seen far too many of the opposite. I applaud praise for the game but need to see proof of this. I played the beta and my 10 hours and see bad coverage but dont have the time nor patience to make videos and post them unless EA is dishing out payments. If i do the job for them i need compensation and or a free game. Just would like to see it if you say the opposite.
If you don't have time to record, trust me, i understand. Im just an offensive minded player and the defense is cheese.

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[openureyez]

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I've had enough time with the games so far (about 24 hours total) that I can honestly say I this is something the devs are going to have to take a hard look at his year. It is really bad this year. You are just so handicapped this year especially in zone because your players have zero awareness or ability to pick up a receiver that enters their zone. I can combat this by usering at least one defensive back or linebacker but I can't be 11 places at once

This!! I can’t user everyone in the secondary. It’s not that passes are being completed, it’s the amount of grass between the receivers and defenders. They said click on and make a play but that doesn’t work if there’s 8 to 10 yards of separation

[kehlis]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

Can you post these good coverage examples because i have experienced and seen far too many of the opposite. I applaud praise for the game but need to see proof of this. I played the beta and my 10 hours and see bad coverage but dont have the time nor patience to make videos and post them unless EA is dishing out payments. If i do the job for them i need compensation and or a free game. Just would like to see it if you say the opposite.
If you don't have time to record, trust me, i understand. Im just an offensive minded player and the defense is cheese.

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Lol. You want to be compensated for "doing the work for them" by taking a video of the game that they are the ones that did all the work on?

Everytime I think I've heard it all, there's always something new.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

Can you post these good coverage examples because i have experienced and seen far too many of the opposite. I applaud praise for the game but need to see proof of this. I played the beta and my 10 hours and see bad coverage but dont have the time nor patience to make videos and post them unless EA is dishing out payments. If i do the job for them i need compensation and or a free game. Just would like to see it if you say the opposite.
If you don't have time to record, trust me, i understand. Im just an offensive minded player and the defense is cheese.

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Until I post some videos you can go to Twitch and watch Dubby or Problem play. They have been streaming every day. Or just search Madden 20.

I do not know what is meant by "bad coverage."

If you wish to make money off your work, such as making videos, you have to start doing the work for free, build a following and then the money comes.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Lol. You want to be compensated for "doing the work for them" by taking a video of the game that they are the ones that did all the work on?

Everytime I think I've heard it all, there's always something new.

Funny thing is, he wishes for me to do work for him, for free.. smh

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

I have witnessed overall good coverage. There are some issues just as in any Madden but I don't see anything exceptionally bad this year.

I have been picking teams apart, especially with in routes. There’s been nothing but space. Maybe it’s the 95 ovr dual threats of Diggs & Thelien, but it’s still a bit much. If sliders don’t fix it most likely mods will luckily.

[xCoachDx]

Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

Until I post some videos you can go to Twitch and watch Dubby or Problem play. They have been streaming every day. Or just search Madden 20.



I do not know what is meant by "bad coverage."



If you wish to make money off your work, such as making videos, you have to start doing the work for free, build a following and then the money comes.

We aren’t interested in using 10 hot routes before the snap in order to create some sort of lockdown coverage which is what I assume those guys will be doing. We’re talking about basic elements of pass coverage not working as they should. I wouldn’t think those guys, who are major influences for EA and Madden, would take time during their streams to look at the breakdown of a coverage.

I’m really interested in seeing your clips of consistently good coverage because I’ve yet to see that anywhere unfortunately.

Also, if you’re wondering what we mean by “bad coverage” several clips have been posted in this thread.


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[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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THE GOOD

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17Xr7fGTamomfwJzLUCFiLjEd1QddDRWe

THE BAD

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7YEfnwd_Jt5zXen9IWUkRcYHl6X6RNO

THE UGLY

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19Z...3zeEGKB4a_Zp5u

Why google drive? Why not youtube or something?

[4thQtrStre5S]

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We aren’t interested in using 10 hot routes before the snap in order to create some sort of lockdown coverage which is what I assume those guys will be doing. We’re talking about basic elements of pass coverage not working as they should. I wouldn’t think those guys, who are major influences for EA and Madden, would take time during their streams to look at the breakdown of a coverage.

I’m really interested in seeing your clips of consistently good coverage because I’ve yet to see that anywhere unfortunately.

Also, if you’re wondering what we mean by “bad coverage” several clips have been posted in this thread.


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define "Consistently good coverage." I can probably find a number of NFL film clips of bad coverage. Do you not believe bad coverage should be in Madden?

Who should we use as a defender to define good coverage to use as or base line in these tests? Who should be considered a bad coverage player so we can use as a comparison?

I offered you 2 Pro players of Madden football to watch. You decline both due to your perception of how they play the game in relation to how you play and desire Madden to perform. So I will need a little more input into what you are looking for in coverages.

Patrick Peterson?
Xavier Rhodes?

Who should we have as the target receiver?

Antonio Brown?
Odell Beckham?

What "basic elements" of pass coverage are not working? Man coverage is rather simple; if a defender fails to shadow a route, how do you wish to determine it was the AI as opposed to the Defender ratings?

Zone is a little more complex, especially if we get into pattern matching. What zone we want to test versus which type of offensive formation on route concept?

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

define "Consistently good coverage." I can probably find a number of NFL film clips of bad coverage. Do you not believe bad coverage should be in Madden?

Who should we use as a defender to define good coverage to use as or base line in these tests? Who should be considered a bad coverage player so we can use as a comparison?

I offered you 2 Pro players of Madden football to watch. You decline both due to your perception of how they play the game in relation to how you play and desire Madden to perform. So I will need a little more input into what you are looking for in coverages.

Patrick Peterson?
Xavier Rhodes?

Who should we have as the target receiver?

Antonio Brown?
Odell Beckham?

What "basic elements" of pass coverage are not working? Man coverage is rather simple; if a defender fails to shadow a route, how do you wish to determine it was the AI as opposed to the Defender ratings?

Zone is a little more complex, especially if we get into pattern matching. What zone we want to test versus which type of offensive formation on route concept?

I've yet to see an NFL defensive back run five yards in the wrong direction when covering someone, however.





Coverage needs to be patched ASAP.

[stinkubus]

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I have been picking teams apart, especially with in routes. There’s been nothing but space. Maybe it’s the 95 ovr dual threats of Diggs & Thelien, but it’s still a bit much. If sliders don’t fix it most likely mods will luckily.

It's not just you. You can run Levels Sail on almost every snap against the AI. Some of the match concepts played it well last year, but so far nothing has.



This play is Gun Empty Hawk - Hawks Unders and its been money against just about everything if you make good reads. No hot routes needed.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

THE GOOD

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17Xr7fGTamomfwJzLUCFiLjEd1QddDRWe

THE BAD

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7YEfnwd_Jt5zXen9IWUkRcYHl6X6RNO

THE UGLY

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19Z...3zeEGKB4a_Zp5u

What exactly is wrong with any of these coverages? They all seem believable in their results.

I have seen a defender get turned around on a play as in your second video.

The third video looked as if the defender was playing in a deeper zone like a purple and the result of the play was a deep pass down the middle closer to where the defender you question is waiting.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I've yet to see an NFL defensive back run five yards in the wrong direction when covering someone, however.





Coverage needs to be patched ASAP.

Patched? HOw exactly?

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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Patched? HOw exactly?

No more defenders unrealistically running five or ten yards in the wrong direction for starters. I see you said "defenders get turned around in real life," to which I will reply, "Yeah, for one or two yards, not five or ten, and they only have their back to the wr for about .5 seconds, not 5 seconds."





Also, if they want to get more serious, no more linebackers and safeties in zone coverage in the red zone auto-shading to the outside when a cornerback is in between them and the sideline. In the red zone, you defend INSIDE to OUTSIDE. That is a basic football fundamental, but Madden as of today seems to flare out toward the sidelines and allow easy access to the middle.