run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Well, I must suck because I got beat by the Falcons 30-24 with the Falcons having their stock PB.

The run/pass split it very important, imo, as it kept my already trash defense more trashy. I had to worry about Turner - but then Ryan might PA pass or throw it straight up.

He was certainly aggressive too. Smoked Bartell or Branch...one of those losers with Julio Jones for a bomb TD. He took several shots after that, too.

To me, the CPU is easier to deal with when I know that 7 or 8 out of 10 plays will be passes (18 out of 20 in one game before I couldn't take it). 80 to 90% pass selection is just not NFL unless you're trying to come from behind late. Not in the first 20 minutes of a 3-3 game. What's even worse is the one run went for 11 yards. Didn't even test my D with the run again. Definitely not NFL.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Well, I must suck because I got beat by the Falcons 30-24 with the Falcons having their stock PB.

The run/pass split it very important, imo, as it kept my already trash defense more trashy. I had to worry about Turner - but then Ryan might PA pass or throw it straight up.

He was certainly aggressive too. Smoked Bartell or Branch...one of those losers with Julio Jones for a bomb TD. He took several shots after that, too.

To me, the CPU is easier to deal with when I know that 7 or 8 out of 10 plays will be passes (18 out of 20 in one game before I couldn't take it). 80 to 90% pass selection is just not NFL unless you're trying to come from behind late. Not in the first 20 minutes of a 3-3 game. What's even worse is the one run went for 11 yards. Didn't even test my D with the run again. Definitely not NFL.

That is a crazy split...I've yet to see that degree of pass heavy playcalling out of any book with any team...

I wonder what other factors could be in play here for that to happen...

???

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

That is a crazy split...I've yet to see that degree of pass heavy playcalling out of any book with any team...

I wonder what other factors could be in play here for that to happen...

???

I've been asking that to anyone who'll listen and only had a few possible ideas from you and dfos in his slider thread and our discussions.

But - then that falls through and I still see the horrid splits. I'd like to think it's personnel (i.e, Raiders DBs are trash so lets throw), but then it's overblown. People do NOT throw 80% against Oakland.

As much as I believe in match-ups and such, there's a reason why the averages stay around what they do in the real game for play selection...

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I've been asking that to anyone who'll listen and only had a few possible ideas from you and dfos in his slider thread and our discussions.

But - then that falls through and I still see the horrid splits. I'd like to think it's personnel (i.e, Raiders DBs are trash so lets throw), but then it's overblown. People do NOT throw 80% against Oakland.

As much as I believe in match-ups and such, there's a reason why the averages stay around what they do in the real game for play selection...

The only thing I can think of off the bat is that I built my "house of cards" on AP and you're building yours on AM...

I wonder if the "aggressive" AI competitive boost on that level causes more throws?

Secondarily, I do see that I got thrown on more when I have "nickle and dime" (formation) corners starting due to INJ...

Hmm...

???

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

The only thing I can think of off the bat is that I built my "house of cards" on AP and you're building yours on AM...

I wonder if the "aggressive" AI competitive boost on that level causes more throws?

Secondarily, I do see that I got thrown on more when I have "nickle and dime" (formation) corners starting due to INJ...

Hmm...

???

AP vs AM is entirely possible and makes sense. Could be whatever they did to 'increase the challenge' of AM might have included this, and it would be like EA to ignore the functions of real football for the sake of video game challenge...ignoring the fact that the diverse play call makes calling a defense HARDER, especially if the AI is now effective at both run and pass.

But, hey, what do I know...

[GMAB8]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

The only thing I can think of off the bat is that I built my "house of cards" on AP and you're building yours on AM...

I wonder if the "aggressive" AI competitive boost on that level causes more throws?

Secondarily, I do see that I got thrown on more when I have "nickle and dime" (formation) corners starting due to INJ...

Hmm...

???

I think this may be part of the equation. I switched to using some of Jarods difficult sliders and found that with increased CPU acc and Catching, they throw and throw down field more effectively.

Also, opened my eyes that the CPU can actually run the ball and make good reads/cuts for good gains with jacked up Break Tackle(seems to affect their reads and aggressiveness?)

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

AP vs AM is entirely possible and makes sense. Could be whatever they did to 'increase the challenge' of AM might have included this, and it would be like EA to ignore the functions of real football for the sake of video game challenge...ignoring the fact that the diverse play call makes calling a defense HARDER, especially if the AI is now effective at both run and pass.

But, hey, what do I know...

I'm also wondering if you created a HC?

If your D pass / run splits for what you're "defending against" aren't shaded to the pass, maybe they perceive that you're not "ready" to defend the pass, so they pass more?

I have my guy at 52 pass / 48 run / 48 AGG (because I'm running a Tampa 2 that doesn't blitz a lot)...

Moving parts / etc.

[GMAB8]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm also wondering if you created a HC?

If your D pass / run splits for what you're "defending against" aren't shaded to the pass, maybe they perceive that you're not "ready" to defend the pass, so they pass more?

I have my guy at 52 pass / 48 run / 48 AGG (because I'm running a Tampa 2 that doesn't blitz a lot)...

Moving parts / etc.

Boy oh boy, there is a lot going on that makes it difficult to mass test all of these wonderful theories! All I know is that changing to the generic playbooks has definitely helped my offline career. Thanks to all that have helped.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I think this may be part of the equation. I switched to using some of Jarods difficult sliders and found that with increased CPU acc and Catching, they throw and throw down field more effectively.

Also, opened my eyes that the CPU can actually run the ball and make good reads/cuts for good gains with jacked up Break Tackle(seems to affect their reads and aggressiveness?)

It does.

That the thing about sliders - they don't always do what it says on the tin. Sometimes it does - and some other hidden stuff. Sometimes...it does...in a roundabout way.

The problem I have with BTK slider is that broken tackles aren't nearly as common as Madden makes them. So I compensate with more run blocking (though my sliders are no where near as hard as Jarodd's). Plus, I'd rather see executed blocking opening lanes than bad blocking and the back breaking 3 tackles to get 6 yards. But I prefer the strategy challenge of scheming to stop the gaps and playing a DT to open my defensive gaps so my LBs can flow - and when they get in, I want it tough, but not impossible, for a HB to escape unless he's really powerful or quick/elusive.

Doesn't help that I play no-switch on defense.

But, yeah, going by the stats - backs don't break a ton of tackles. They fall forward with contact and try to avoid taking monster hits (which is part of what the fumbles slider does - fumble vs tackle vs POW vs TAK vs ELU vs if the back did a move vs angle of contact - all determine how vicious a hit is. And now, supposedly PHYS/SIZE of the players involved do too).

With a decent tackle slider and 0 BTK, I see backs like Turner fall forward a lot, break a few, especially with bad angles, and he gets his yards and realistic BTK stats, and it 'feels' right with what we know about Turner without seeing WR break 4 tackles or whatnot.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm also wondering if you created a HC?

If your D pass / run splits for what you're "defending against" aren't shaded to the pass, maybe they perceive that you're not "ready" to defend the pass, so they pass more?

I have my guy at 52 pass / 48 run / 48 AGG (because I'm running a Tampa 2 that doesn't blitz a lot)...

Moving parts / etc.

Can you change your splits because coaches sometimes 'tweak' their gameplans and such - or is that another EA oversight?

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Can you change your splits because coaches sometimes 'tweak' their gameplans and such - or is that another EA oversight?

When you create a coach, you're stuck with your initial settings...

You can manually change your playbooks in the load screen, but the run / pass / agg percentages you pick stick...

I'm wondering if one were to create a HC that is 55 / 45 to the pass on D, if the CPU would perceive that it's worth sticking with the run...

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

When you create a coach, you're stuck with your initial settings...

You can manually change your playbooks in the load screen, but the run / pass / agg percentages you pick stick...

I'm wondering if one were to create a HC that is 55 / 45 to the pass on D, if the CPU would perceive that it's worth sticking with the run...

I believe my Raiders created HC is something like that. Ravens, I probably did 60/40 favoring pass D.

[gman2774]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm new to this so please bare with me. I'm starting an online CCM. Is the CPU playcalling realistic to a teams tendencies in online CCM's? Is CPU playcalling only an issue for offline?

Is it worth starting an offline franchise so I can change scheme's before a game? Your suggestions are appreciated.

If offline, is it as simple as using two controllers and changing the CPU's offensive scheme to the suggestions posted in this thread? Is there anything else I would need to do or change?

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!!

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Is it worth starting an offline franchise so I can change scheme's before a game? Your suggestions are appreciated.

I think so, it's gives you something you can experiment with or change as the years go on, even if outside of tweaking playcalling. Say you see a team pick up a stable of blazing WR - maybe that team should do Run and Gun, etc. Offline, you can experiment with that.

If offline, is it as simple as using two controllers and changing the CPU's offensive scheme to the suggestions posted in this thread? Is there anything else I would need to do or change?

Nope, that's it - and if you're on PS3 - you can just switch your controller to Player 2, move the Player 2 controller to the CPU team, make the changes you want, move Player 2 back to the middle, and then turn your PS3 controller back to Player 1.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Finally found a team to give the Walsh WC book to:

2013 CIN has a new coach that runs a WC Scheme out of the PHI book...

Tried that and Woodhead (new starting HB) ran 25 times to 5 passes by the half so I quit...

Restarted with generic WC book...

They played a really nice game, but seemed kind of "flat" and lost...

For 2013 game 2, I decided to recast the new guy as a "Walsh Coaching Tree" guy and gave him the book that made Walsh famous with the Bengals...

Well:

Dalton looked like the second coming of Ken Anderson...

350 Yards passing / 2 TDs versus 1 INT / great ball distribution...

The PA rollouts looked amazing...

Lots of split back / near / far sets...

Woodhead ran 12 times for 50 / FB ran about 6 for 25 / BJGE (backup role) ran a few...

I've played the Bengals a number of times and have used a number of books for them, based on scheme and this one made them TAKE OFF...

It's wild how the game looks and plays when you hit the "sweet spot" with a book for the CPU...

The really just "light up" statistically...but oddly enough...visually as well...

Saw a lot of things I've NEVER seen the CPU execute so smoothly...