run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

im kind of even getting the impression that the cpu is passing too much now using those play books

I like the Mix of plays the CPU has with the Balanced and Run Balanced PB.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

im kind of even getting the impression that the cpu is passing too much now using those play books

I like the Mix of plays the CPU has with the Balanced and Run Balanced PB.

Deuce mentioned, that as the years play out and created coaches take over various CPU teams, they seem to pass more out of their team specific playbooks...

What I'm finding (in 2013) is that even teams that still have their original HCs are calling different splits out those same team specific books...

Example:

2012 Ravens, using default team specific book were "guilty" of the "run / run / pass / punt" gameplan that initiated this thread...

In 2013, the Ravens have lost Flacco to MIA and are starting T. Jax with all the same skill players / OL / scheme / book / etc.

I wanted them to run more than they NOW do out of "run balanced", so I decided to try their original team specific book to see what would happen...

Granted, they were behind most of the game (rare for my CLE team), but Rice ended up with about 12 carries and T. Jax (who, other then a high completion %, due to conservative decision making in the pass game) kind of stunk...

Too many "scrambles" too early in the progression that led to sacks...

Next up: KC

When I played them a couple months ago in a test CCM, they just ran on every play out of their default book...

I have a feeling 2013 will be different...

Anyway:

I'm starting to think the playbook fix is still going to be important for the really pass heavy teams as the seasons play out, but something is making them call different gameplans out of the default books in 2013 and beyond...

It can't be the HC splits, because most of the HCs are still the same, but they're calling different splits...

Weird...

My current conclusion:

I'm going to use the team specific for any team that has a created HC or the word "run" in their scheme...

The teams that used to get the balanced book will get run balanced...

I'm going to use RNG / Pass Balanced / and a few of the Legend books for the Vert and Spread teams...

It's definitely (IMHO) turning into a situation that one has to "modify" as the years play out...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I REALLLLYYY hope that custom playbooks makes it into CCM next year. I'm already planning to make a ton of different style playbooks to give the CPU. They'd be way more unique and have way more variety to them. If they got in custom playbooks and expanded GamePlan to coincide with that...

The possibilities.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I REALLLLYYY hope that custom playbooks makes it into CCM next year. I'm already planning to make a ton of different style playbooks to give the CPU. They'd be way more unique and have way more variety to them. If they got in custom playbooks and expanded GamePlan to coincide with that...

The possibilities.

Custom books and plans - yes please.

I MISS not making up my own playbooks, especially on defense. I remember coming up with a 3-4 scheme because I (over) stocked up on LBs. Then books that had a lot of pass rush formations so I could use them as "light DEs". And then a "Base Nickle" defense that REALLY used this (gotta love the 1-5-5 for a LB whore like me).

Sigh.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

im kind of even getting the impression that the cpu is passing too much now using those play books

I noticed the same thing in mine few games using Pass Balanced for the teams listed as such.

I haven't tried Run Balanced yet. Really seeing what exactly the default books with the real coaches do. One case was too much running. Another looked VERY good, and the third was a lot of running, but was a bit too much, but not like it ran almost every play and did pass in situations where it was logical as well as dropped PA passing on me (and screens which frustated me off so much I hit the QB anyway and just took the 15 yds and didn't play him the next game to simulate the league giving him a 1-game suspension LOL)

[rudyjuly2]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Custom books and plans - yes please.

I MISS not making up my own playbooks, especially on defense.

Heck, I miss not being able to set my playbooks in franchise mode. Why should I have to do that in the advanced settings right before the game? Why did they remove the option to do that in general franchise settings?

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Heck, I miss not being able to set my playbooks in franchise mode. Why should I have to do that in the advanced settings right before the game? Why did they remove the option to do that in general franchise settings?

You can do that if you create a coach...let you pick your O / D run pass splits / AGG / choose your books / etc

Then when you're at the load screen the books you picked are your defaults...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Heck, I miss not being able to set my playbooks in franchise mode. Why should I have to do that in the advanced settings right before the game? Why did they remove the option to do that in general franchise settings?

I feel like that's definitely something that should be in the scheme section of CCM along with the offensive and defensive schemes and preferred player types.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

In 2013, the Ravens have lost Flacco to MIA and are starting T. Jax with all the same skill players / OL / scheme / book / etc.

Please don't let that happen irl. Flacco makes me flip tables sometimes but Tavaris Jackson....please no...

I'm starting to think the playbook fix is still going to be important for the really pass heavy teams as the seasons play out, but something is making them call different gameplans out of the default books in 2013 and beyond...

Can HC change their splits? Maybe the same coaches are "tweaking" things. Does scheme impact play call (will a spread team just throw more regardless of PB)?

My current conclusion:

I'm going to use the team specific for any team that has a created HC or the word "run" in their scheme...

The teams that used to get the balanced book will get run balanced...

I'm going to use RNG / Pass Balanced / and a few of the Legend books for the Vert and Spread teams...

I hope this works for you because it makes sense to me.

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Please don't let that happen irl. Flacco makes me flip tables sometimes but Tavaris Jackson....please no...



Can HC change their splits? Maybe the same coaches are "tweaking" things. Does scheme impact play call (will a spread team just throw more regardless of PB)?



I hope this works for you because it makes sense to me.

Yeah, the roster guy has a thing for Garrard / T. Jax / Tebow / Kurt Warner (????), cause guys like Tannahill / Sanchez / Ponder / Locker are sitting in 2012 / 2013 because of the wack ratings...

I think you may be onto something...the splits may change as the years play out ans scheme is a factor...as well as the player types in that scheme...hard to know what's triggering what tho...

Lastly, yes going back to team specifics for the run and balanced teams in 2013 (and prob beyond) is working...

Going to use RNG / Pass Balanced for the spread and vert teams only and use the Legends for some variety on a situation by situation basis...

Cowboys work really well out of Landry / OAK out of Madden / etc

Oh, and I might still use the WC book for "pass happy" WC teams (PHI)...

EDIT:

Additionally, there seem to be only two results:

1) Run A LITTLE too much out of team specifics

2) Pass A LITTLE too much out of generics / legends

Conclusion:

If you "balance" how your season opponents use their books, your D stats will "even out" in the long haul...

No ideal, but darn close!

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

btw, If you want to see the plays for the Generic PBs and what the stars system is set at for those plays.
Run N Gun
West Coast
Run Heavy
Pass Balanced
Run Balanced
Balanced.

Before you go into your CCM, go to My Madden/Coaching Options/Customize PBs.
Go to any formation(ex. singleback/quick slants/ rated 2.5 stars on 2nd and long.

Now the question is how do we get the star system right for all Playbooks??

Idea!!
Can we Customize each Playbook before going into CCM and it will save those changes to the Playbooks?


Then we could enter CCM w/ all Playbooks being customized!!!

[geisterhome]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Arizona Cardinals-balanced
Atlanta Falcons- pass balanced
Baltimore Ravens - balance
Buffalo Bills-run balance
Carolina Panthers -panthers
Chicago Bears - run balanced
Cincinnati Bengals -pass balanced
Cleveland Browns- balanced
Dallas Cowboys-pass balanced
Denver Broncos-pass balanced
Detroit Lions – Lions
Green Bay Packers- run and gun
Houston Texans- texans or run balanced ( more passing on 1st and 2nd down)
Indianapolis Colts -vermeil
Jacksonville Jaguars- run balanced
Kansas City Chiefs-run balanced
Miami Dolphins- west coast
Minnesota Vikings - billicks
New England Patriots- balance
New Orleans Saints – run and gun
New York Giants- pass balanced
New York Jets-run balance
Oakland Raiders- run balance
Philadelphia Eagles- west coast
Pittsburgh Steelers -pass balanced
Saint Louis Rams-run balance
San Diego Chargers - pass balanced
San Francisco 49ers – 49ers or run balanced ( more passing on 1st and 2nd down)
Seattle Seahawks-run balance
Tampa Bay Buccaneers -run balance
Tennessee Titans- balanced
Washington Redskins-redskins

what would the alternatives be for the Redskins, Vikings, Colts, Panthers and Lions?

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

what would the alternatives be for the Redskins, Vikings, Colts, Panthers and Lions?

Redskins and Vikings are very run-oriented teams. If the default books make 'too much running', I'd use them for those two and probably Panthers, especially if it contains QB runs (and Newton or another mobile guy is QB)

Colts - Balanced, perhaps. Or maybe Run and Gun? I know they let Luck cut it loose deep a lot, but run/pass at near NFL average split (58% Pass, NFL is 56% pass as of last week).

Lions - Pass Balanced, Run and Gun perhaps, or equiv. legend book. Interesting that it show up on the list with the Lions' PB...wouldn't that cause them to not throw enough if default books create a run emphasis?

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Now the question is how do we get the star system right for all Playbooks??

Idea!!
Can we Customize each Playbook before going into CCM and it will save those changes to the Playbooks?

Good question - I never fool with the star ratings in playbooks before (leaned on Run/Pass slider last year).

Is there a way we could tell if the changes save, aside from 100s of games?

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

For what it's worth:

I've been giving the team specifics back to the run heavy teams as of 2013, but I have also played a couple teams a couple times by now and:

The CPU QB play and offence in general is much better and much more aggressive in their play calls and reads out of the generics and legends...

Even when you can get the splits right out of the team specifics, the CPU is not nearly as challenging to compete with...

Must be the gameplans / variety of plays...

It's like they "light up" when they get a book that has a proper gameplan attached to it..

Ker-azy...