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  • jb12780
    Hall of Fame
    • Oct 2008
    • 10665

    #23131
    Re: NFL Off Topic

    Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
    Did the NFL/Giants not have this information available to them when they suspended him a game? If they did not, was it for good reason (no way to obtain it, part of investigstion) or did they not try? It seems as though the paper got it from a FOIA request.

    This is just disheartening and disturbing to read man. I was beaten down by all the nonsense OBJ talk and come to find out that was happening while this guy is on the team, unbelievable. Talk about misplaced priorities.
    I find it hard to believe they both the Giants and the NFL didn't know about this.

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    • DieHardYankee26
      BING BONG
      • Feb 2008
      • 10178

      #23132
      Re: NFL Off Topic

      Originally posted by jb12780
      I find it hard to believe they both the Giants and the NFL didn't know about this.

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      I have to agree, or that they could have known if they wanted to. It feels like the Ray Rice situation with journal entries instead of a video.
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      • areobee401
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        • Apr 2006
        • 16771

        #23133
        Re: NFL Off Topic

        Originally posted by jb12780
        I find it hard to believe they both the Giants and the NFL didn't know about this.

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        They did according to this report.

        A significant one allegedly occurred under the NFL's watch at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii last January, according to the police report. Molly told police that while she and Josh were in the process of getting a divorce, Josh offered to take her and her children to Hawaii and pay their expenses. She agreed, but then called that "a big mistake."

        Molly alleged that she was subject to "cutting comments" from Josh on that trip, and that he took her phone and searched through her texts, according to the police report. She also alleged that one night he got drunk and pounded on her door so loudly that NFL security and hotel security were called and had to escort Josh away. She also alleged that the NFL eventually put her and her kids up in a different hotel "where Josh would not know where they were," the police report said.

        That last part is a damning allegation considering the reason the NFL gave for using only Josh Brown's arrest in May, 2015 when they decided to give him a seemingly light one-game suspension for violating the league's personal conduct and domestic violence policy. The league said in a statement in August that while it was aware that Molly had alleged multiple incidents of domestic violence, it "had insufficient information to corroborate prior allegations."

        A league spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment on whether the NFL helped hide Molly and her children from Josh Brown at the Pro Bowl, or on any of the new revelations in the documents obtained by SNY.

        Here are some more allegations from the police "follow-up" report:

        Molly accused several of Josh's Giants teammates of being "aware of the domestic violence in their relationship," but not doing anything to stop it. She claimed other players around the NFL knew, too, though she did not name any players.

        In May, 2014, Molly said Josh came home drunk after a bachelor party and while they were sitting in bed discussing that, he jumped on the bed and stood over her. When she "scrambled" to get away he slammed her into a large mirror that was hanging on their bedroom wall. Molly said her head and arm hit the mirror so hard that the mirror cracked. When she tried to get away again, Josh got on top of her again and held her face down on the floor. Molly said their daughter, Georgia, witnessed the incident.

        Molly was told by police she was under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators after being contacted by a representative of the league. The league rep contacted the Kings County Sherriff's office several times over several months but was told by Robin Ostrum that she "would not discuss my open and active investigation." Molly told Ostrum that she didn't want to speak to the NFL because she feared the league "would only be looking to bury this whole incident and protect Josh."
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        • jb12780
          Hall of Fame
          • Oct 2008
          • 10665

          #23134
          Re: NFL Off Topic

          Unreal. Make the Giants and the NFL look terrible.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #23135
            Re: NFL Off Topic

            How is this not a bigger deal or story in the Sports world?
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            • jb12780
              Hall of Fame
              • Oct 2008
              • 10665

              #23136
              Re: NFL Off Topic

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              How is this not a bigger deal or story in the Sports world?
              The league is probably trying to keep it quiet.

              Ironic they wanna crackdown on excessive celebrations to set a good example for kids, but Brown beats his wife and only gets a game.

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              • mestevo
                Gooney Goo Goo
                • Apr 2010
                • 19556

                #23137
                Re: NFL Off Topic

                Thought they made it pretty clear at the time why he only got what he did.



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                • pw_1016
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 770

                  #23138
                  Re: NFL Off Topic

                  Originally posted by kehlis
                  Surely, from what I saw of him in COLLEGE:

                  Doesn't go through progressions well at all.

                  Very sloppy footwork, throws off his back foot more often than not (not always his fault)

                  Forces passes that should never be made to receivers that aren't open.

                  Doesn't check down when he should.

                  Not very well versed in making changes at the line of scrimmage (due to the offense he ran)

                  Lacks consistent deep ball accuracy.


                  Basically, he would need a solid surrounding cast to have a chance to be successful. As Cm Hooe pointed out, it's very possible to coach him into being a successful NFL player, but at this point he will need much more than a year and is not near as ready as Geno at this point.

                  So now it's your turn, what about him makes you think he would be better than Geno?


                  His arm strength is better than Geno Smith's. He has more of a pocket presence than Geno as well. You don't see a lot of mobile qb's that have a ton of success in the NFL.


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                  • pw_1016
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 770

                    #23139
                    Re: NFL Off Topic

                    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                    And I don't get how we've already seen the best of Geno?


                    He has been around for four seasons. I mean, he may have one Fitzmagic-like year but other than that he is not a long term solution. He might do ok on another team but I don't see his Jets career going anywhere.


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                    • kehlis
                      Moderator
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 27738

                      #23140
                      Re: NFL Off Topic

                      Originally posted by pw_1016
                      His arm strength is better than Geno Smith's. He has more of a pocket presence than Geno as well. You don't see a lot of mobile qb's that have a ton of success in the NFL.


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                      His NFL pocket presence is your argument for him?

                      You sure that's what you want to go with?

                      I listed a myriad of issues that he has, do you have any reason why those would actually get better in the NFL?

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                      • pw_1016
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 770

                        #23141
                        Re: NFL Off Topic

                        Originally posted by kehlis
                        His NFL pocket presence is your argument for him?



                        You sure that's what you want to go with?



                        I listed a myriad of issues that he has, do you have any reason why those would actually get better in the NFL?


                        Yeah I am going with that. With experience, maybe he will get better. Geno has already had a few seasons worth of experience and I haven't seen any improvement.

                        I never really gave Geno a chance , anyways. Ever since he pouted at the draft, I never was high on him after that.


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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #23142
                          Re: NFL Off Topic

                          Originally posted by mestevo
                          NFL is a real master at that spin.

                          "Well actually, because she didn't talk we can ONLY give him 1 game even though he should get more based on the policy that WE changed".

                          Give me a break, there's no defense for him only getting one game.
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                          • NDAlum
                            ND
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 11453

                            #23143
                            Re: NFL Off Topic

                            With regards to the NFL policy is "offense" defined as a charge or conviction?

                            If it is defined as being charged/arrested with DV then yea he should easily get the 6 games.
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                            • mestevo
                              Gooney Goo Goo
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 19556

                              #23144
                              Re: NFL Off Topic

                              Originally posted by NDAlum
                              With regards to the NFL policy is "offense" defined as a charge or conviction?

                              If it is defined as being charged/arrested with DV then yea he should easily get the 6 games.
                              Not sure of the exact language, but it's typically an infraction or number of infractions over a period of time, no charges or conviction needed but just steers potential punishment (ie suspension while incarcerated or something).

                              10 month investigation, no cooperation from victim or law enforcement. Was disciplined under personal conduct rather than domestic violence though for some reason.

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                              • SPTO
                                binging
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 68046

                                #23145
                                Re: NFL Off Topic

                                Pardon me if this was posted before but here's a good article from 10 days ago from Awful Announcing:

                                The NFL's greed has caught up to them


                                There’s been an endless amount of hand-wringing and finger pointing about the NFL’s 11% dip in TV ratings thus far this fall.

                                It’s Colin Kaepernick’s fault. No, it’s because of the presidential election. Wait, maybe it’s live streaming. Or the Olympics. Or the progressive sports media. Or the lack of brand-name quarterbacks. Or Deflategate. Or CTE. Or Ray Rice.

                                While some or all of these have obviously had an effect on viewership, no one wants to address the elephant in the room: The NFL’s on-field product just isn’t very good right now — and the root of the problem is the league’s never-ending greed.

                                No matter how big the NFL’s TV ratings and money haul were in recent years, it never seemed good enough for The Shield. Commissioner Roger Goodell openly stated in 2010 that his goal was to grow league revenue from $8.5 billion to $25 billion by the year 2027. That’s an average of almost $1 billion in additional revenue per year. As a result, the league and its owners have consistently squeezed every last dime out of its fans in the last decade at the expense of the game itself.

                                Let’s start with the league’s two biggest money grabs in recent years: Thursday Night Football and games in London.

                                Since it started in 2006, Thursday Night Football has been endlessly panned for the poor play and bad games it routinely churns out. Asking NFL players to play two games in the span of four days is absolutely ludicrous.

                                Take this past Thursday’s game between Arizona and San Francisco. Carson Palmer couldn’t play because he didn’t have enough time to recover from a concussion the week before, leaving us with a showdown between Drew Stanton and Blaine Gabbert for a pair of 1-3 teams. Gee, why wouldn’t anyone want to watch that?

                                The games in London started in 2007 because of the league’s obsession with football becoming a global game like the NBA, even though the United States and Canada are the only countries that play it at any significant level. I watched the first London game because it was fun and different, but the novelty of it has long since worn off. Like Thursday Night Football, the London games have mostly been snooze-fests because changing the players’ weekly routines by traveling overseas, being paraded around London and having the Jacksonville Jaguars play there almost every year leads to bad games.

                                Like most Americans, I didn’t feel the need to watch a bad game between average teams at 9:30 AM sandwiched between a full day of college football and 10 hours of more NFL games. And I’m in the Eastern time zone. Did a single person on the West Coast wake up at 6:30 AM local time to watch the Jaguars and Colts? If so, may God have mercy on their soul.
                                But it’s not just the Thursday night and London games that are suffering from poor play. The entire league has a problem on its hands.

                                This was never more apparent than Super Bowl 50, possibly the worst-played Super Bowl of my lifetime. Yes, the Broncos played great defense. But it was also a miserable game full of unforced errors, penalties and turnovers featuring 11 sacks and zero passing touchdowns. The most memorable moment of the game was Cam Newton not even trying to recover a game-sealing fumble.

                                As noted by The Ringer, the rookie salary scale instituted in 2011 is largely to blame for the lacking on-field product. Because NFL owners were tired of giving huge contracts to unproven rookies, players’ initial four-year contracts were drastically reduced. The idea at the time was that this would result in more money for veterans — but it hasn’t worked out that way.

                                Instead, NFL teams have hoarded players on cheap contracts and shed veterans that cost exponentially more, continually dropping the league’s average age.

                                “Let’s be honest, the younger the league, the less experienced the league is and with that, the quality of play doesn’t start off at the same level,” Packers head coach Mike McCarthy told The Ringer. “I think what you see, particularly in the early part of the season, is a reflection of that.”

                                Carson Wentz deserves all the credit in the world for garnering MVP talk in the first month of his rookie season, but what does it say about NFL defenses that he’s slicing through them with ease just months removed from playing against the likes of Western Illinois and Jacksonville State?

                                And then there’s the actual experience of watching a game. I’ve completely crossed off the idea of attending NFL games, which are cesspools of drunken goons fighting each other. But naturally, owners don’t do anything to curb the drinking at games because that would hurt their bottom line.

                                Watching from home isn’t much better. Thanks to endless commercials, games take forever. There’s no better way to kill momentum in a game than to follow up a touchdown with a touchback sandwiched between two commercial breaks, providing a gap of almost 10 minutes in real time between real game action.

                                Finally, there’s the NFL’s long-standing deal with DirecTV which provides a brutally sharp contrast with college football viewing the day before. On Saturdays, I can watch all of my alma maters’ games and dozens of other games on my basic cable package. That’s what allows me to flip between incredible finishes like in Week 5 when I flipped to the North Carolina-Florida State game just in time to see a 54-yard winning field goal as time expired and then, moments later, tuned in for the end of Tennessee-Georgia and the Vols’ Hail Mary.

                                I could never do that with NFL games, as I only get three day games on TV. And as a New York resident, two of those feature the Giants and Jets. If I want to get the NFL’s Red Zone channel to see all best finishes live, that costs me $50 extra. And if I want to watch my favorite team, I have to pay $270 for Sunday Ticket and watch all the games on my laptop.

                                And yet, instead of scaling back their cash grabs, the NFL continues to plow forward. On top of the three NFL games in London per season, the Texans and Raiders are playing in Mexico City on Nov. 21 for some reason. The NFL is determined to put a regular season game in China as early as 2018. The chatter about an NFL franchise in London grows louder every year. It’s only a matter of time until the regular season expands from 16 to 18 games — and possibly 22 games one day.

                                Through all this, NFL owners still have the gall to wonder, “What’s wrong with our viewers?”

                                The answer is that we finally wised up.
                                There's a lot of truth in this here article.
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