The Official 2020-2021 Season Talk Thread

[Majingir]

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In your post that I quoted you talked about NHL still being on NBC. That's what I was responding to.



I would be shocked to see Fox or ESPN interested in a deal with the NHL to be honest. I wouldn't mind it, the more the merrier, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense for either network at this point.

ESPN I'd be surprised, but I'm still hoping for it.

FOX though is a network I did hear people bring up on rumors. Not sure if they meant main FOX or FS1, Seemed like CBS might have been another one in the running, but I'd rather Fox over CBS.

IIRC, it was something like NBC/SN would be primary broadcaster with FOX or CBS Sports Network getting other games. Wonder how this changes (if at all) with USA Network now being the other network instead of NBCSN that would be part of NBCs deal.

[Kobalt]

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Either Laine is gonna quit hockey or Torts is going to quit coaching.

I would much rather have PLD

[nikethebike]

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Yep. To be fair, 3 of their D-men have a combined 7 games of NHL experience, and one of the others is Tyler Myers.

But also: last year was a bit of a mirage. They were a terrible defensive team that made it work because Markstrom (and very briefly, Demko) were brilliant and their top 6 can really snipe when they get the opportunity. Their playoff run was a lot of fun (for me), but getting outshot 40-25 every night and winning anyway isn't exactly the path to long-term success. Game 4 against the Wild was the last time Vancouver outshot an opponent. Tonight is 19 games in a row being outshot.

Oh, and Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko combined are making less than 3M this year, and all are RFA in the summer. Good times, good times.

Honestly...


The canucks have mismanaged their team/talents imo.


Dahlén who was EPs linemate in sweden is currently producing loads over in sweden. He never even got a shot in the NHL, instead they gave him the "now we gonna show him how it works in america" treatment and put him in the AHL basement where he was mentally broken down as I understand. I honestly doubt he wasn't talented enough.


Now they play Hoglander as a first liner... WTF. Dahlén is more offensively gifted. At the moment I think they'd be better off playing Loui Ericsson.



Third season and EP is still not getting first line ice time. Every time a game gets on the edge Horvat Boeser Miller Pearson plays. Still everyone praises EPs defensive skills... THEN WHY DOES HE NOT PLAY 20+ MINUTES THEN? Why does he never play when he can net empty netters? He needs to rest? No he needs to get used to superstar playing time. They need to coach the others to give him the puck more. The rest of the team should never LET HIM disappear from games. They need to mold him into a superstar. I have no clue what they are doing to him now. His development has totally halted. He was the best he has been when he was a rookie and just arrived from sweden. What has he improved? Honestly? He was better as a 20-year old rookie.



PP in Vancouver has been better the last game but that has been with a setup that totally isolates their best offensive player without any options but to use him for the onetimer. How is that smart? How is it smart not to use him???



EPs role in the team looks like it is shrinking for every game. There are less swedes on the roster, does this matter? Sometimes I feel some players intentionally avoid giving him the puck. I think the guy is too nice. He should start going Zlatan on his less talented team mates and demand the puck from them.



Honestly he has not been good this season, but still has positive plusminus unlike the others.


One part of me hope EP flops this season so they decide to let him go so he can move to an organisation that can actually develop him.


Yeah I'm an EP fan and perhaps not too objective right now but watching the canucks mismanage the best talent sweden has had in many years just frustrates the shisnitz out of me. 🤣

[Majingir]

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Either Laine is gonna quit hockey or Torts is going to quit coaching.

I would much rather have PLD

I never knew it was official!

Jackets win this deal big time.

Laine is better than Dubois, and Roslovic is better than a 3rd round pick.

Why hasn't a Canadian team won in almost 30 years? Losing trades would be one of those reasons.

Jackets made 2 deals with Canadian teams, and turned Dubois and Anderson (neither player ever had 65+ points in a season) into Laine,Domi,Roslovic (Laine and Domi have each had 70+ point seasons). I like Jackets odds at getting a playoff spot in that weak central division.

Now the part that'll suck. Waiting for these guys to be allowed to play. Not sure the rules for going to the US, but players coming into Canada have to wait 14 days. Jets have a 7 game homestand! They're playing all those without Dubois. That's a quarter of your home games without your top line guy.

[Kobalt]

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Laine has an elite shot and doesn’t do anything else well, I’m not a fan of him at all.

[nikethebike]

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Laine has an elite shot and doesn’t do anything else well, I’m not a fan of him at all.

Brett Hull was the same and he scored a few didn't he? Laine needs the correct playmaker. Not sure Columbus has that for him. Not sure Torts is the right coach for him.


I wonder if Columbus will try to get Puljujärvi cheap from Edmonton now?

[rdnk]

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Jackets and Jets just managed to offload all of their problems onto each other. Honestly this is probably the best scenario for both teams.

I believe that Dubois is the best player in the deal. He plays a more premium position, is better at 5v5, is locked in for 4 years whereas Laine is gonna get paid in the offseason and Dubois is good in his own zone compared to Laine who is a complete abortion defensively. I'd rather have Roslovic than a 3rd, so it comes out even-ish.

[DrJones]

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He plays a more premium position, is better at 5v5, is locked in for 4 years whereas Laine is gonna get paid in the offseason

4 years? I thought Dubois was an RFA in the summer of '22, one year after Laine.

Anyway, I'm reserving judgment on this deal until Mr. Snrub activates one of his burner accounts and gives his analysis.

[nikethebike]

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Jackets and Jets just managed to offload all of their problems onto each other. Honestly this is probably the best scenario for both teams.

I believe that Dubois is the best player in the deal. He plays a more premium position, is better at 5v5, is locked in for 4 years whereas Laine is gonna get paid in the offseason and Dubois is good in his own zone compared to Laine who is a complete abortion defensively. I'd rather have Roslovic than a 3rd, so it comes out even-ish.

Laine is a potential 50-60 goal scorer under the right circumstances. And Dubois is currently what, a 60+ point scorer? Last year 49 in 70? Is that a top line guy in Winnipeg? Wennberg had similar seasons in Columbus, where is he now? I know what I'd prefer. The problem with Laine will be to get him in those circumstances and I don't know if Columbus have the players to do it. He needs a playmaker and someone to do the dirtywork, but his offensive upside is huge in my opinion.

[Majingir]

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So the Flames will clearly win the North division...s award for most hated team.

Leafs now the latest to see why everyone hates them, specifically Tkachuk. Knee to the head on Campbell because Tkachuk "got pushed".

Simmonds scored a big goal for Leafs today. Maybe he goes for a fight on Tuesday. Hopefully Campbell isn't hurt.

Now time for a rare part of this schedule, Leafs actually have some late games. Today's was an unusual 4pm game, now we'll have some 9 or 10pm games.

[rdnk]

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4 years? I thought Dubois was an RFA in the summer of '22, one year after Laine.

Anyway, I'm reserving judgment on this deal until Mr. Snrub activates one of his burner accounts and gives his analysis.

Whoops that's what I get for shooting from the hip. It's 2 years.

Laine has the higher upside, but IMO he's too one dimensional and too many of his points come from the powerplay. Who knows, maybe Torts can teach him how to backcheck.

Alex Wennberg had one season like that, and he never had as good of possession numbers as Dubois. Dubois has the better pedigree/upside compared to Wennberg, although Laine still has more pure upside than both.

[bhurst99]

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Got to believe it won't be long before Vancouver cleans house. The Canucks are a disaster right now.

Kind of ruining the excitement of the North division when you know two teams (Ottawa and Vancouver) look like they have no chance of making the playoffs. Hopefully, the Canucks can make a race out of it but it doesn't look good. 33 goals against in seven games? Yikes.

[DrJones]

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Got to believe it won't be long before Vancouver cleans house. The Canucks are a disaster right now.

Kind of ruining the excitement of the North division when you know two teams (Ottawa and Vancouver) look like they have no chance of making the playoffs. Hopefully, the Canucks can make a race out of it but it doesn't look good. 33 goals against in seven games? Yikes.

This is an unexpected bonus of the Canadian division: there's nowhere for Benning to hide. Nobody outside the local market (and relatively few inside) care if the Canucks are underperforming against say, mediocre California teams. But getting owned on a regular basis by Canadian teams in front of a national audience? That'll turn up the heat awfully quick, though I'm afraid that means Green will be gonged before Jimbo.

[Majingir]

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An interesting part of the Dubois trade I never knew about. His dad is part of the Manitoba Moose (Jets AHL affiliate). So I could definitely see a long term deal happening for him to stay in Winnipeg.

Got to believe it won't be long before Vancouver cleans house. The Canucks are a disaster right now.



Kind of ruining the excitement of the North division when you know two teams (Ottawa and Vancouver) look like they have no chance of making the playoffs. Hopefully, the Canucks can make a race out of it but it doesn't look good. 33 goals against in seven games? Yikes.

I think everyone knew Canucks and Sens were gonna be at the bottom. Itll be fun to see which 4 get in of the other 5 teams.

Habs have been doing great, but to be fair, 3 of their games came vs Canucks.


Speaking of Canucks and Sens, their matchup is the only game on today.

[nikethebike]

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I think everyone knew Canucks and Sens were gonna be at the bottom. Itll be fun to see which 4 get in of the other 5 teams.

Habs have been doing great, but to be fair, 3 of their games came vs Canucks.

Nucks basically need to win all against Ottawa in the upcoming games now. But it won't happen since they have the worst goalies and defense of the division. Hoping Holtby would fill Markströms shoes was wishful thinking. Play Demko now. They need him at the insane playoff form he had last year and the rest of the team need to play desperate hockey like they did during the playoffs. But that won't happen either since there are no Tanevs to shot block.

It's sad to see how the team has evolved these last two seasons (they were really fun in the playoffs) just to completely crash now. It's still early but atm nothing really looks promising for the nucks this season.