EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

[scagwi]

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Can one of these games drop some meaningful information or teaser so we can all stop arguing and discuss the games [emoji28]🤣[emoji23]

It does kind of feel like they are playing a game of chicken with actual information about their plans, doesn't it?

[scagwi]

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Sorry - just one more LIV comment..
Why are so many players going towards it?

Money - BIG money

Let's not think that wouldn't be attractive for a game developer...

Who knows what sort of crazy resources LIV might throw at an exclusive game Dev to go balls to the walls making something awesome.

We shouldn't forget that games are ultimately made to make money

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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You're overreacting to my comment a bit - at least more than I intended when making it.

I think I hit a nerve...my apologies.

As I said, I would have suggested EA go the other direction if they weren't leading in licensed tour stop content and having the Masters exclusively. To your point, we don't know how true that might actually be, you are correct.

Obviously they'll each do what they'll do and I hope they are both great!

Please try to not paint me with a brush of "dislike" for 2k/HB moving forward though. Previous efforts need not color anyones opinion, especially in this case as we might be getting a vastly upgraded effort and/or new direction with full 2K and now Tiger Woods influence ...

I really do try to be objective about that with all new software/games and I'd appreciate the courtesy being extended that I'm putting thoughts out there in good faith.

You literally suggested 2K drop the PGA Tour license in favor of LIV, saying there should be one PGA Tour game and one LIV game, and you claim EA has a "clear lead" in PGA Tour licensing, despite the fact EA has not actually released their game yet, and won't be doing so for (in the best case scenario) 8 more months.

That's not objective. It's nonsensical. There is no rational reason for that to happen, especially when EA has been sitting out the golf gaming world for the better part of 10 years, while 2K released a PGA Tour game within the last 2 years (one that sold huge numbers, no matter the reasons behind it).

It makes zero sense and really looks like a way to say that you want EA to be the only one with the PGA Tour license.

[scagwi]

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You literally suggested 2K drop the PGA Tour license in favor of LIV, saying there should be one PGA Tour game and one LIV game, and you claim EA has a "clear lead" in PGA Tour licensing, despite the fact EA has not actually released their game yet, and won't be doing so for (in the best case scenario) 8 more months.

That's not objective. It's nonsensical. There is no rational reason for that to happen, especially when EA has been sitting out the golf gaming world for the better part of 10 years, while 2K released a PGA Tour game within the last 2 years (one that sold huge numbers, no matter the reasons behind it).

I really need an explanation of how that's "in good faith". It makes zero sense and really looks like a way to say that you want EA to be the only one with the PGA Tour license.

We're getting un-necesarrily heated here -- at least it feels that way.
I apologize for any role I've had in that -- NOT my goal - I promise.

I've explained in a few posts how I think the LIV tour might offer a huge opportunity, perhaps an exclusive one...perhaps a VERY lucrative one...that's why golfers are going towards it after all (big money)

I'm looking at this moving forward, not so much based upon that past.

I think you'd agree the LIV tour has shaken pro golf in a way we've never seen before, correct?

I'd imagine it shook up both dev teams here in the last few months.

I'm sorry to have said 2K should drop the PGA.

Let me correct that -- I think ultimately one of these teams should look at pivoting to going LIV exclusive. That said, I'm sure they won't at this point in time...that would probably be a future move if LIV takes off and stays around.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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We're getting un-necesarrily heated here -- at least feels that way.
I apologize for any role I've had in riling you up -- NOT my goal - I promise.

I've explained in a few posts how I think the LIV tour might offer a huge opportunity, perhaps an exclusive one...perhaps a VERY lucrative one...that's why golfers are going towards it after all (big money)

I'm looking at this moving forward, not so much based upon that past.

I think you'd agree the LIV tour has shaken pro golf in a way we've never seen before, correct?

LIV has shaken things up in real golf, in terms of the $$$ offered to players. But their product is not enticing in the least. 54 holes, 8 events, shotgun starts, an odd "team" competition with teams that use logos that look straight out of mid-2000's Madden games. Feels more like a mobile game...

Golfers are going there for the money, yes. But why would anyone pay for a LIV golf game filled mostly with old, over the hill players, or unknown, unproven players that only play 3 rounds on lousy courses?

Instead, you could play a PGA Tour game with well-known, well-respected courses that have tradition and appeal for a broader audience. And why would 2K or EA ditch the PGA Tour and/or the majors to link up with LIV? Yeah, they might get paid a lot to make the game, but who's buying it?

Also...you can't ignore the past here. EA has to fight the past to succeed. They can try to bury Rory all they want, but it's the albatross (no pun intended) around their neck. What does 2K have to contend with? Missing the majors? Yep. But they have Tiger, making a bit up for that. 2K's biggest concern is going to be expectations...hence, they can't forget the past, either.

[scagwi]

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Golfers are going there for the money, yes. But why would anyone pay for a LIV golf game filled mostly with old, over the hill players, or unknown, unproven players that only play 3 rounds on lousy courses?

Instead, you could play a PGA Tour game with well-known, well-respected courses that have tradition and appeal for a broader audience. And why would 2K or EA ditch the PGA Tour and/or the majors to link up with LIV? Yeah, they might get paid a lot to make the game, but who's buying it?

I think we're underselling the LIV thing a little bit - but it's very early of course.
I'm hearing about it from people I know who don't care a lick about the PGA or the "old ways"

That's sort of my point about the opportunity angle.

As I said above though - It's likely too early for any of these shops to go all in on LIV.
We need to see if it sticks around.

I'm sorry I said anything about it.

You don't seem to believe me, but I want BOTH games to succeed - wildly!

I own the first 3 HB golf games -- I don't dislike them or have some vendetta.
It was just an off handed idea.

Again - I apologize for saying anything at all.

[VoltSwoosh]

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LIV has shaken things up in real golf, in terms of the $$$ offered to players. But their product is not enticing in the least. 54 holes, 8 events, shotgun starts, an odd "team" competition with teams that use logos that look straight out of mid-2000's Madden games. Feels more like a mobile game...

Golfers are going there for the money, yes. But why would anyone pay for a LIV golf game filled mostly with old, over the hill players, or unknown, unproven players that only play 3 rounds on lousy courses?

Instead, you could play a PGA Tour game with well-known, well-respected courses that have tradition and appeal for a broader audience. And why would 2K or EA ditch the PGA Tour and/or the majors to link up with LIV? Yeah, they might get paid a lot to make the game, but who's buying it?

Also...you can't ignore the past here. EA has to fight the past to succeed. They can try to bury Rory all they want, but it's the albatross (no pun intended) around their neck. What does 2K have to contend with? Missing the majors? Yep. But they have Tiger, making a bit up for that. 2K's biggest concern is going to be expectations...hence, they can't forget the past, either.

2Ks baggage would be HBs shortcomings, Ps3 graphics, can’t play with pros, no big time tournaments outside of Sawgrass and gimmicks like taco putters and huge hats in the past. Not even going to talk about the career mode that requires online constantly to work and doesn’t have functional leaderboards. Bad replays with ps2 player models chipping in every time.


Both companies have a colorful past. We shall see who prevails.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I think you're underselling the LIV thing a little bit
I'm hearing about it from people I know who don't care a lick about the PGA or the "old ways"

That's sort of my point about the opportunity angle.

As I said above though - It's likely too early for any of these shops to go all in on LIV. We need to see if it sticks around.

I'm sorry I said anything about it.

You don't seem to believe me, but I want BOTH games to succeed - wildly! I bought the first 3 HB golf games -- I don't dislike them or have some vendetta.

I can understand you wanting both the games to succeed. But you also are very clear you don't like PGA 2K21. That's fine, and I feel many the same ways you do with 2K/HB's shortcomings.

It just seemed that in your posts related here to LIV and the PGA Tour licenses that you want 2K to ditch their license so that EA can have it for themselves. I've been here a long time, and know you have been, too...so that wasn't really all that shocking, knowing how you feel currently about 2K.

Again, that's fine, but you can't then say you don't have a dog in the fight when you've been publicly against 2K21 and HB and are offering suggestions like this. Just seems a tad disingenuous.

[scagwi]

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I can understand you wanting both the games to succeed. But you also are very clear you don't like PGA 2K21. That's fine, and I feel many the same ways you do with 2K/HB's shortcomings.

It just seemed that in your posts related here to LIV and the PGA Tour licenses that you want 2K to ditch their license so that EA can have it for themselves. I've been here a long time, and know you have been, too...so that wasn't really all that shocking, knowing how you feel currently about 2K.

Again, that's fine, but you can't then say you don't have a dog in the fight when you've been publicly against 2K21 and HB and are offering suggestions like this. Just seems a tad disingenuous.

I didn't like 2k21, correct

That doesn't mean that moving forward I have some personal grudge against everything 2k/HB.

Can you please take my word on that?

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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2Ks baggage would be HBs shortcomings, Ps3 graphics, can’t play with pros, no big time tournaments outside of Sawgrass and gimmicks like taco putters and huge hats in the past. Not even going to talk about the career mode that requires online constantly to work and doesn’t have functional leaderboards. Bad replays with ps2 player models chipping in every time.


Both companies have a colorful past. We shall see who prevails.

You bring up very good points...a lot that I have called 2K out on as well.

That's what I mean when I say "expectations". They did release a game recently. It was successful. It has major issues.

They need to learn from them, fix them, and take note that EA is coming.

[bigkev]

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LIV has shaken things up in real golf, in terms of the $$$ offered to players. But their product is not enticing in the least. 54 holes, 8 events, shotgun starts, an odd "team" competition with teams that use logos that look straight out of mid-2000's Madden games. Feels more like a mobile game...

Golfers are going there for the money, yes. But why would anyone pay for a LIV golf game filled mostly with old, over the hill players, or unknown, unproven players that only play 3 rounds on lousy courses?

Basically my feeling on this. Customers want contents, a LIV game would have almost no contents. Even worst than Rory.

[scagwi]

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Basically my feeling on this. Customers want contents, a LIV game would have almost no contents. Even worst than Rory.

I thought a huge appeal of the TGC series was the course creator?

(endless content)

I think there's a big market for a game that leans into the user created content side and let's a fully fleshed out worldwide golf tour be "created" by third parties.

As I've always said - sort of the Super Mega Baseball ... but for Golf

The bummer to me with the 2k pivot to licensed PGA stuff is how it's apparently been making them censor the user created content.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I didn't like 2k21, correct

That doesn't mean that moving forward I have some personal grudge against everything 2k/HB.

Can you please take my word on that?

Yeah, I can.

But you have to admit that saying 2K should drop the PGA Tour for LIV because EA has a "clear lead" in the PGA licensing looks silly, and gives the impression there was more behind it than just "good faith" discussion, when EA hasn't even released a game since 2015.

[scagwi]

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Yeah, I can.

But you have to admit that saying 2K should drop the PGA Tour for LIV because EA has a "clear lead" in the PGA licensing looks silly, and gives the impression there was more behind it than just "good faith" discussion, when EA hasn't even released a game since 2015.

Again, my apologies for not being tidy there.

I think the game that has The Masters exclusively is going to dominate in a way that seems hard to understand for many of us. That was a huge huge coup.

But - as we've both acknowledged -- who knows what the full rosters will look like for either game.
We just don't know the full picture yet.

I think you need to consider acknowledging what a black swan event the 2k21 story was, also, though.
There is NO chance they put up numbers like that with a direct PGA competitor from EA... that also has the Masters exclusively.

I'd wager $1000 that a 2k executive would tell us that in confidence over cocktails.
They know the game changed here.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I thought a huge appeal of the TGC series was the course creator?

(endless content)

I think there's a big market for a game that leans into the user created content side and let's a fully fleshed out worldwide golf tour be "created" by third parties.

As I've always said - sort of the Super Mega Baseball ... but for Golf

The bummer to me with the 2k pivot to licensed PGA stuff is how it's apparently been making them censor the user created content.

Again, I do agree with this. But they can't now. It's not gonna happen. They did huge numbers in a game with the PGA Tour license. They went out and nabbed Tiger Woods' license and have him on board as an Executive Producer or whatever. They are all-in on officially licensed golf.

But they do still have a course creator and unlimited content that way. Yes, course names are censored...and that sucks. But these 2K games will never run out of free new courses to play. I doubt that will happen with EA's game.