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  • scagwi
    MVP
    • Aug 2015
    • 2718

    #361
    Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

    God I hope this LIV nonsense doesn't somehow delay the new game any longer than it already has been.

    (for both games actually)

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    • VoltSwoosh
      Banned
      • Jun 2021
      • 1090

      #362
      Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

      Originally posted by scagwi
      God I hope this LIV nonsense doesn't somehow delay the new game any longer than it already has been.



      (for both games actually)


      Introducing EA Sports PGA TOUR VS LIV Golf 24.

      Featuring a full scale royal rumble at Amen Corner. Every 30 seconds, a new golfer walks across Hogan Bridge and into the ring. Which Tour will rein supreme and win the green jacket?!!!

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      • bigkev
        Pro
        • Apr 2019
        • 912

        #363
        Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

        Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
        So EA uses Frostbite almost universally now, I’m no dev myself but I hear it’s easier for them to share assets.

        At worst they could pull the rain system from Madden and make it work theoretically.

        Dunno, more they're playing with codes... could end up with bugs in the other game. More devs are adding layers of codes after codes, more chances of bugs. Like the leaderboard at the PGA 2K/HB they can't fixed over there as an example.

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        • scagwi
          MVP
          • Aug 2015
          • 2718

          #364
          Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

          Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
          Introducing EA Sports PGA TOUR VS LIV Golf 24.

          Featuring a full scale royal rumble at Amen Corner. Every 30 seconds, a new golfer walks across Hogan Bridge and into the ring. Which Tour will rein supreme and win the green jacket?!!!

          This honestly just made me realize how much one party here (probably 2K) should partner up with the LIV tour and make that a key focus of their game...

          It might be too early days for LIV (and too late in dev cycle here) for that to happen right away, but we clearly should have a PGA game and a LIV game ... not two PGA games

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          • MrArlingtonBeach
            MVP
            • Feb 2009
            • 4530

            #365
            Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

            Maybe EA hired marketing people from 2K?



            EDIT - it's deleted now, but it was an instagram post talking about the 150th Open, showing a picture of The Country Club instead of St Andrews.
            Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 07-14-2022, 08:27 AM.
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            • MrArlingtonBeach
              MVP
              • Feb 2009
              • 4530

              #366
              Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

              Originally posted by scagwi
              This honestly just made me realize how much one party here (probably 2K) should partner up with the LIV tour and make that a key focus of their game...

              It might be too early days for LIV (and too late in dev cycle here) for that to happen right away, but we clearly should have a PGA game and a LIV game ... not two PGA games
              2K already has a deal with the PGA Tour. That deal helped 2K's game move over 2.5 million copies. No matter how much you dislike 2K's game, it's not gonna drop the PGA Tour for LIV. While I sometimes question how 2K and HB implement it in their game, them having the PGA Tour license is kind of a big deal. There's no way they're dropping an established license that's proven successful for one that has very little value behind it.

              I mean, LIV events (all 8 of them that will happen this season) get like 50K viewers live on YouTube...despite what we all think in our own small golf news bubble, it's not exactly moving the needle in terms of fan interest.

              I also don't agree with the thought that there should not be 2 PGA Tour games. EA has the majors, setting itself apart. 2K has a significant amount of real life events and courses that are used each season on tour. And since we have no idea what EA's game is gonna look like, this could make a big difference.
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              • OnlookerDelay
                MVP
                • Oct 2003
                • 3448

                #367
                Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                2K already has a deal with the PGA Tour. That deal helped 2K's game move over 2.5 million copies. No matter how much you dislike 2K's game, it's not gonna drop the PGA Tour for LIV. While I sometimes question how 2K and HB implement it in their game, them having the PGA Tour license is kind of a big deal. There's no way they're dropping an established license that's proven successful for one that has very little value behind it.

                I mean, LIV events (all 8 of them that will happen this season) get like 50K viewers live on YouTube...despite what we all think in our own small golf news bubble, it's not exactly moving the needle in terms of fan interest.

                I also don't agree with the thought that there should not be 2 PGA Tour games. EA has the majors, setting itself apart. 2K has a significant amount of real life events and courses that are used each season on tour. And since we have no idea what EA's game is gonna look like, this could make a big difference.
                I think you're analysis is well founded. I know the LIV has a lot of money behind it, but if it doesn't appeal to enough viewers, it's on shaky ground. It would be devastating for 2K or EA to sink a bunch of money into obtaining LIV rights, only to have LIV fold a couple of months after the game's release. I may be underestimating the potential for the LIV's success, but if I was making the decision for EA or 2K, I wouldn't have the cahones to sign a deal with the LIV unless the LIV agreed to a dirt cheap offer... which might not be a bad move for the LIV to make if they were really interested in broadening their appeal.
                Duke Football? Hell yes it's Duke Football! --- Coach Cutcliffe

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                • VoltSwoosh
                  Banned
                  • Jun 2021
                  • 1090

                  #368
                  Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                  Really hope EA captures this look of St. Andrews. Rory 15 is very green. I’d like to see a lot of the brown that I see on tv.

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                  • scagwi
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 2718

                    #369
                    Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                    Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                    2K already has a deal with the PGA Tour. That deal helped 2K's game move over 2.5 million copies. No matter how much you dislike 2K's game, it's not gonna drop the PGA Tour for LIV. While I sometimes question how 2K and HB implement it in their game, them having the PGA Tour license is kind of a big deal. There's no way they're dropping an established license that's proven successful for one that has very little value behind it.

                    I mean, LIV events (all 8 of them that will happen this season) get like 50K viewers live on YouTube...despite what we all think in our own small golf news bubble, it's not exactly moving the needle in terms of fan interest.

                    I also don't agree with the thought that there should not be 2 PGA Tour games. EA has the majors, setting itself apart. 2K has a significant amount of real life events and courses that are used each season on tour. And since we have no idea what EA's game is gonna look like, this could make a big difference.
                    I can see where you’re coming from.

                    However, there was no need to include “no matter how much I dislike 2K’s game” as a qualifier..

                    My analysis and thought here has nothing to do with liking or disliking either company or current offering. I only singled them out because EA has the clear lead on PGA licensing and of course the Masters locked up. If the situations were reversed I’d have suggested the reverse as well.

                    Anybody thinking the 2K game is going to clear the numbers it did before while the EA game exists I think is sorely mistaken. They were in a vacuum and all things came together just right for that.

                    To be clear - I have no dog in this hunt.

                    If the 2k game is a significant upgrade and looks appealing, rest assured I'll be buying it... I'll likely be buying both! I personally hope they don't try to do "the exact same game". I still wish 2k/HB was more on the track of TGC1/2 honestly.
                    Last edited by scagwi; 07-14-2022, 11:13 AM.

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                    • VoltSwoosh
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2021
                      • 1090

                      #370
                      Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                      Originally posted by scagwi
                      I can see where you’re coming from.

                      However, there was no need to include “no matter how much I dislike 2K’s game” as a qualifier..

                      My analysis and thought here has nothing to do with liking or disliking either company or current offering. I only singled them out because EA has the clear lead on PGA licensing and of course the Masters locked up. If the situations were reversed I’d have suggested the reverse as well.

                      Anybody thinking the 2K game is going to clear the numbers it did before while the EA game exists I think is sorely mistaken. They were in a vacuum and all things came together just right for that.

                      To be clear - I have no dog in this hunt.

                      If the 2k game is a significant upgrade and looks appealing, rest assured I'll be buying it... I'll likely be buying both! I personally hope they don't try to do "the exact same game". I still wish 2k/HB was more on the track of TGC1/2 honestly.


                      Me too, love the vibes TGC 1 and 2 gave off, 2k21 doesn’t do it for me like they did outside of gameplay.

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                      • scagwi
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 2718

                        #371
                        Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                        Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
                        Me too, love the vibes TGC 1 and 2 gave off, 2k21 doesn’t do it for me like they did outside of gameplay.
                        It's just such an interesting tension there, as so much of the longtime hardcore base of that game is really all about the course designer and making their own clubs/leagues/tourneys..

                        I'm fascinated to see how well they keep any balance between the two different interests --- those way into the "Golf Club" part ... and those who want full blown PGA/licensed Tour stuff..

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                        • MrArlingtonBeach
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4530

                          #372
                          Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                          Originally posted by scagwi
                          I can see where you’re coming from.

                          However, there was no need to include “no matter how much I dislike 2K’s game” as a qualifier..

                          My analysis and thought here has nothing to do with liking or disliking either company or current offering. I only singled them out because EA has the clear lead on PGA licensing and of course the Masters locked up. If the situations were reversed I’d have suggested the reverse as well.

                          Anybody thinking the 2K game is going to clear the numbers it did before while the EA game exists I think is sorely mistaken. They were in a vacuum and all things came together just right for that.

                          To be clear - I have no dog in this hunt.

                          If the 2k game is a significant upgrade and looks appealing, rest assured I'll be buying it... I'll likely be buying both! I personally hope they don't try to do "the exact same game". I still wish 2k/HB was more on the track of TGC1/2 honestly.
                          Fair enough, but I will say it's no secret that you're not exactly a fan of the 2K series of golf games though...so everything said kind of has to be taken through that lens.

                          The idea that 2K should ditch the PGA Tour license for LIV is a horrible business decision that doesn't make any sense when looking at recent history in relation to PGA Tour golf video games. EA hasn't released a licensed golf game in over half a decade. PGA 2K21 has proven that 2K/HB, even with their shortcomings, can put out a successful PGA Tour-backed effort.

                          And I know I have even said in the past that 2K/HB would probably be better suited to do a non-PGA Tour game. But that's just not realistic after they came out of nowhere to crush all sales expectations with PGA 2K21. They're firmly in the PGA Tour-licensed golf world now, and proved it by locking down Tiger Woods, too.

                          Also, saying EA has the "clear lead" on PGA Tour licensing isn't really accurate. All we know, right now, is that that have the major hosts, which is a significant coup for them. But outside that, they have only several annual tour stops as part of their named course list:

                          Pebble Beach
                          Torrey Pines
                          TPC Sawgrass (not in their FAQ course list, but mentioned in PR stuff previously) *in both games*
                          TPC Southwind *in both games*
                          Wilmington Country Club
                          East Lake Golf Club *in both games*

                          PGA 2K21 already has the following that can be played right now, at this moment:

                          Copperhead Course
                          East Lake Golf Club *in both games*
                          Quail Hollow Club
                          Riviera Country Club
                          TPC Boston
                          TPC Deere Run
                          TPC Louisiana
                          TPC River Highlands
                          TPC San Antonio
                          TPC Sawgrass *in both games*
                          TPC Scottsdale
                          TPC Southwind *in both games*
                          TPC Summerlin
                          TPC Twin Cities
                          Bay Hill
                          Detroit Golf Club

                          Yes, 2K lacks the majors, which is a huge gap for them. And Pebble is a big get for EA as well. But EA in no way has the "clear lead" on PGA Tour licensing when you look at it like this.

                          Sure, more courses and features will get announced (by both companies, I'd imagine), but as of right now, 2K is the leader in virtual licensed PGA Tour golf, and EA is the one that needs to scratch and claw their way back.

                          Telling 2K to switch to LIV, after selling 2.5 million copies of their PGA Tour-licensed game? C'mon, man.
                          Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 07-14-2022, 01:10 PM.
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                          • scagwi
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 2718

                            #373
                            Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                            Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                            Fair enough, but I will say it's no secret that you're not exactly a fan of the 2K series of golf games though...so everything said kind of has to be taken through that lens.

                            The idea that 2K should ditch the PGA Tour license for LIV is a horrible business decision that doesn't make any sense when looking at recent history in relation to PGA Tour golf video games. EA hasn't released a licensed golf game in over half a decade. PGA 2K21 has proven that 2K/HB, even with their shortcomings, can put out a successful PGA Tour-backed effort.

                            And I know I have even said in the past that 2K/HB would probably be better suited to do a non-PGA Tour game. But that's just not realistic after they came out of nowhere to crush all sales expectations with PGA 2K21. They're firmly in the PGA Tour-licensed golf world now, and proved it by locking down Tiger Woods, too.

                            Also, saying EA has the "clear lead" on PGA Tour licensing isn't really accurate. All we know, right now, is that that have the major hosts, which is a significant coup for them. But outside that, they have only several annual tour stops as part of their named course list:

                            Pebble Beach
                            Torrey Pines
                            TPC Sawgrass (not in their FAQ course list, but mentioned in PR stuff previously) *in both games*
                            TPC Southwind *in both games*
                            Wilmington Country Club
                            East Lake Golf Club *in both games*

                            PGA 2K21 already has the following that can be played right now, at this moment:

                            Copperhead Course
                            East Lake Golf Club *in both games*
                            Quail Hollow Club
                            Riviera Country Club
                            TPC Boston
                            TPC Deere Run
                            TPC Louisiana
                            TPC River Highlands
                            TPC San Antonio
                            TPC Sawgrass *in both games*
                            TPC Scottsdale
                            TPC Southwind *in both games*
                            TPC Summerlin
                            TPC Twin Cities
                            Bay Hill
                            Detroit Golf Club

                            Yes, 2K lacks the majors, which is a huge gap for them. And Pebble is a big get for EA as well. But EA in no way has the "clear lead" on PGA Tour licensing when you look at it like this.

                            Sure, more courses and features will get announced (by both companies, I'd imagine), but as of right now, 2K is the leader in virtual licensed PGA Tour golf, and EA is the one that needs to scratch and claw their way back.

                            Telling 2K to switch to LIV, after selling 2.5 million copies of their PGA Tour-licensed game? C'mon, man.
                            You're overreacting to my comment a bit - at least more than I intended when making it.

                            I think I hit a nerve...my apologies.

                            As I said, I would have suggested EA go the other direction if they weren't leading in licensed tour stop content and having the Masters exclusively. To your point, we don't know how true that might actually be, you are correct.

                            Obviously they'll each do what they'll do and I hope they are both great!

                            Please try to not paint me with a brush of "dislike" for 2k/HB moving forward though. Previous efforts need not color anyones opinion, especially in this case as we might be getting a vastly upgraded effort and/or new direction with full 2K and now Tiger Woods influence ...

                            I really do try to be objective about that with all new software/games and I'd appreciate the courtesy being extended that I'm putting thoughts out there in good faith.

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                            • scagwi
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 2718

                              #374
                              Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                              Related to above..

                              There are plenty on here who relentlessly bash EA based upon the very isolated Rory effort of now 7 years ago.

                              I try to steer them away from that cliff also, as it's just not fair to assume the future based upon a past so far back (and likely with totally different team members)

                              I'm coming at the next 2K game with fully open eyes given the TW influence and perhaps a tweaked vision for the game with 2K fully owning HB now also.

                              My LIV suggestion was just that I think there will be an opportunity there moving forward, particularly to be exclusively in control of a license potentially.

                              I don't like LIV myself (for many reasons), but I do recognize that many are warming to it and it may be around for a long time ... and someone will likely do a deal with them on a game..

                              I just think it shows forward looking vision to be thinking of going all in on that approach.

                              I'm pretty sure the LIV tour won't tell any game developer to "blank out the name" of PGA tour RCR's for instance. lol
                              Last edited by scagwi; 07-14-2022, 01:27 PM.

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                              • VoltSwoosh
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2021
                                • 1090

                                #375
                                Re: EA Sports PGA Tour Releases in Spring 2023

                                Can one of these games drop some meaningful information or teaser so we can all stop arguing and discuss the games [emoji28]🤣[emoji23]

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