Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

[Hooe]

Re: Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

I'm going to go back to what we talked about earlier in that the game developers have to step up this next generation. That's not to say we haven't seen quality games out, but for what ever reason, games haven't really peaked this gen.

There hasn't been this sense that something new came along that really shifted the market. I think the next gen is on the backs of the developers to really start being more innovative in ways that truly change gaming for the better.

This is going to come across more blunt than I want it to, but there are a number of game series that fly in the face of the assertion that video games aren't bigger and better than they have ever been.

• Call of Duty has set world records for the best-selling entertainment medium a couple of times. Beyond CoD, video games by-and-large are more popular, mainstream, and more revenue-generating than they have ever been, even while individual game prices - adjusted for inflation - are at historic lows.
• The advent of broadband internet has shifted the way games are designed, implemented, and distributed. Any number of games could be an example of this; not only Call of Duty for an example of popular multiplayer online shooters, but also SSX for an example of asynchronous online play and NCAA Football for an example of continuous online play across multiple platforms (console for full game, PC and iOS for online dynasty gameplay, though with a subset of the full feature list). The concept of XBOX Live Arcade and PSN allows smaller studios an avenue to try some more off-the-wall ideas and get exposure as well.
• The potential size and scale of games has increased massively. One-word example: Skyrim.
• Entire new video game genres were created and/or popularized. I'm looking at the Guitar Hero and Rock Bands of the world; though GH fizzled out, Harmonix continues to make dumptrucks of money through Rock Band DLC. Minecraft, predominantly on PC but now on XBLA, is another example of a game completely unlike really any other video game before it. Fun new twists on old genres have been executed which only have been possible with the current generation of hardware; Portal is my go-to here.
• The fruition of communities within and dedicated to games. No longer tethered to PC message boards for cool things to find and do in games, I can easily share paint jobs are car setups with people around the world in Forza Motorsport 4 or share storylines and created wrestlers in WWE 12.

The only area that really hasn't seen a massive leap in gaming, from my position at least, is AI, which has sorta taken a backseat to multiplayer feature sets and components. Which is fine, AI has still gotten better, just not to the same level as everything else.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

Agree...although COD duty gets a pass every year while other games are critisized for exact things COD brings to the table....
Anywho...

the main area is AI AND footbal thatl has been stuck in neutral for a while.
There have been some great games This gen but for the most part (if not always) the great memory making games For me are not yearly releases.

Again I'm a gaming "kid" since the beginning. My main fear is the thought of digital only gaming. That would end the run for me and start my search for older games to stock up on. As far as the "no used" stuff, that would just mean hardly any day 1 purchases for me and really seeing after a month if my friends who are playing it, feel about the game.
As with any new systems i get all excited and more than likely will be in line at midnight somewhere.

[DaveDQ]

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This is going to come across more blunt than I want it to, but there are a number of game series that fly in the face of the assertion that video games aren't bigger and better than they have ever been.

• Call of Duty has set world records for the best-selling entertainment medium a couple of times. Beyond CoD, video games by-and-large are more popular, mainstream, and more revenue-generating than they have ever been, even while individual game prices - adjusted for inflation - are at historic lows.
• The advent of broadband internet has shifted the way games are designed, implemented, and distributed. Any number of games could be an example of this; not only Call of Duty for an example of popular multiplayer online shooters, but also SSX for an example of asynchronous online play and NCAA Football for an example of continuous online play across multiple platforms (console for full game, PC and iOS for online dynasty gameplay, though with a subset of the full feature list). The concept of XBOX Live Arcade and PSN allows smaller studios an avenue to try some more off-the-wall ideas and get exposure as well.
• The potential size and scale of games has increased massively. One-word example: Skyrim.
• Entire new video game genres were created and/or popularized. I'm looking at the Guitar Hero and Rock Bands of the world; though GH fizzled out, Harmonix continues to make dumptrucks of money through Rock Band DLC. Minecraft, predominantly on PC but now on XBLA, is another example of a game completely unlike really any other video game before it. Fun new twists on old genres have been executed which only have been possible with the current generation of hardware; Portal is my go-to here.
• The fruition of communities within and dedicated to games. No longer tethered to PC message boards for cool things to find and do in games, I can easily share paint jobs are car setups with people around the world in Forza Motorsport 4 or share storylines and created wrestlers in WWE 12.

The only area that really hasn't seen a massive leap in gaming, from my position at least, is AI, which has sorta taken a backseat to multiplayer feature sets and components. Which is fine, AI has still gotten better, just not to the same level as everything else.

I would not say that a game selling well means it's an excellent game or that it sold well because of raising development standards. We talk so much about how Madden may lack in areas yet the game sells extremely well. I would agree with your point about some peripherals on the actual game that have been added.

As you mentioned, Forza 4 WWE 12 etc., offer excellent ways to share and interact with other gamers. I think I spent more time in the paintshop with Forza than in the actual game.

And as I type this I'm beginning to recognize some things like DICE and Battlefield in how they built on the Frostbite engine and really made games better. So I do stand corrected in that we are seeing better technology for games.

[mestevo]

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The fact that those games that sold well are still among the top played games on their platforms a year later may be a pretty good indication it's also an excellent game for those looking for the type of experience it provides. 4 COD games are in the top 20 played just last week on the 360.

Unrelated, we may see some mention of what's coming next from Sony as early as 4/12. They're going to have a 'corporate strategy' event to address how they're going to try and change course from their expected 4th consecutive year in the red, currently expected to lose $2.7b this fiscal year.

Will be interesting to see how they address getting crushed in their home market, as of the latest figures the 3DS accounts for 65% of all hardware sales. We're over a month since their proud 1.2m Vita sales declarations, they've only sold ~50k in Japan since then. Wonder how many other territories are emulating that trend outside of tent pole releases.

[Money99]

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I know when I see the graphics for these next-gen boxes I'll be extremely tempted to upgrade my console.
But I'm going to resist.

I'm not buying a new console until I see games that are truly revolutionary.
I don't want to see a billion FPS's that look and act the same.
I don't want games on rails that give a beautiful cinimatic experience.

I want games to be organic where I'm the one weaving the story.
Every action has a massive reaction that will forever shape my world.
NPC's will react realistically and any actions taken against them will have a major impact on my life and theirs.

Stuff like that.
If it's going to be nothing but the same old stuff with prettier graphics, I'll pass.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I know when I see the graphics for these next-gen boxes I'll be extremely tempted to upgrade my console.
But I'm going to resist.

I'm not buying a new console until I see games that are truly revolutionary.
I don't want to see a billion FPS's that look and act the same.
I don't want games on rails that give a beautiful cinimatic experience.

I want games to be organic where I'm the one weaving the story.
Every action has a massive reaction that will forever shape my world.
NPC's will react realistically and any actions taken against them will have a major impact on my life and theirs.

Stuff like that.
If it's going to be nothing but the same old stuff with prettier graphics, I'll pass.

So you want a next gen Mass Effect or Skyrim game basically......

[Gotmadskillzson]

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All I know is these next consoles better have 2GB of system RAM in them. RAM has always been the bottle neck for consoles. Considering a 2GB stick of laptop RAM is only $10, I don't see why the next gen consoles can't have 8GB of RAM.

[Money99]

Re: Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

So you want a next gen Mass Effect or Skyrim game basically......

Is Skyrim like that? That's pretty cool if it is.
My issue with that game is that I'm not at all into the dungeons and dragon's theme.
I'd love to have that kind of environment in a GTA or especially Red Dead Redemption world.

Also, on the sports side of things, I want a game where the CPU gets smarter as you increase the difficulty levels, not receive attribute boosts to compensate for poor AI.
Nothing frustrates me more than watching a 4th line scrub look like the 2nd-coming of Wayne Gretzky.

[Hooe]

Re: Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

I would not say that a game selling well means it's an excellent game or that it sold well because of raising development standards. We talk so much about how Madden may lack in areas yet the game sells extremely well. I would agree with your point about some peripherals on the actual game that have been added.

As you mentioned, Forza 4 WWE 12 etc., offer excellent ways to share and interact with other gamers. I think I spent more time in the paintshop with Forza than in the actual game.

And as I type this I'm beginning to recognize some things like DICE and Battlefield in how they built on the Frostbite engine and really made games better. So I do stand corrected in that we are seeing better technology for games.

To clarify, my point about game sales and CoD was referring more to the "video games are bigger" aspect of my point, not the"video games are better" aspect. I agree that more sales doesn't mean better games.

I also failed to mention new technologies which haven't tapped the surface of their potential for games, such as the XBOX Kinect. Gaming's future is bright.

[bkfount]

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I know when I see the graphics for these next-gen boxes I'll be extremely tempted to upgrade my console.
But I'm going to resist.

I'm not buying a new console until I see games that are truly revolutionary.
I don't want to see a billion FPS's that look and act the same.
I don't want games on rails that give a beautiful cinimatic experience.

I want games to be organic where I'm the one weaving the story.
Every action has a massive reaction that will forever shape my world.
NPC's will react realistically and any actions taken against them will have a major impact on my life and theirs.

Stuff like that.
If it's going to be nothing but the same old stuff with prettier graphics, I'll pass.

That won't happen. Better graphics are always the hardware target because people immediately see it. A 1080p CoD will sell far better than some super deep and revolutionary open world game. Most people don't even care about 60 fps either.

Games already cost too much and take years to develop, and one failure can ruin a company. Skyrim won all kinds of awards and hyped as one of the best games ever, but it really was a shallow world with horrible animations, physics, and AI when you boil it down. It also had like 3 voice actors for the entire population of the world. I put 100 hours into that game, but nothing happens in that world without your interaction, just like everything else. A new console won't change most of that.

[choadler]

Re: Both PS4 and XBOX3 to be shown at E3

I know when I see the graphics for these next-gen boxes I'll be extremely tempted to upgrade my console.
But I'm going to resist.

I'm not buying a new console until I see games that are truly revolutionary.
I don't want to see a billion FPS's that look and act the same.
I don't want games on rails that give a beautiful cinimatic experience.

I want games to be organic where I'm the one weaving the story.
Every action has a massive reaction that will forever shape my world.
NPC's will react realistically and any actions taken against them will have a major impact on my life and theirs.

Stuff like that.
If it's going to be nothing but the same old stuff with prettier graphics, I'll pass.

You will be waiting a long time. PC's out right now are already more powerful than what the PS4 and Xbox will be and we don't see that in PC games.

[Skyboxer]

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You will be waiting a long time. PC's out right now are already more powerful than what the PS4 and Xbox will be and we don't see that in PC games.

Well its all up to the programmers so really has nothing to do with where pcs are at now. I know what you're saying but we have some time before the new systems are out so maybe somewhere theres a rash of programming ah ha moments between now and then. Lol

[WTF]

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That won't happen. Better graphics are always the hardware target because people immediately see it. A 1080p CoD will sell far better than some super deep and revolutionary open world game. Most people don't even care about 60 fps either.

Games already cost too much and take years to develop, and one failure can ruin a company. Skyrim won all kinds of awards and hyped as one of the best games ever, but it really was a shallow world with horrible animations, physics, and AI when you boil it down. It also had like 3 voice actors for the entire population of the world. I put 100 hours into that game, but nothing happens in that world without your interaction, just like everything else. A new console won't change most of that.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Voice_Actors

Over 70. Some just sound similar.

[dickey1331]

I'm excited for next gen consoles. I'm just not excited for the price. I don't know if I'm going to lay down another $600.


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[mestevo]

Ahead of a "corporate strategy" webcast for press and shareholders scheduled next week for 4/12 (could include a mention of future console plans... or not) Sony has announced they are cutting 10,000 jobs worldwide and slashing executive bonuses.


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