**Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

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  • thaima1shu
    Robot
    • Feb 2004
    • 5598

    #1606
    Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

    Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
    Similarly, although Fox Home Entertainment prefers to use DTS-HD Master Audio on its Blu-ray releases, at the present time there isn't much hardware that can decode the full lossless extension to the codec. Most currently-available Blu-ray disc players and A/V receivers instead extract the lossy DTS "core," so the majority of listeners aren't hearing the format to its fullest potential. That's not a knock against Master Audio, but rather a limitation imposed by the playback hardware.

    Excerpt taken from http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233
    Well that's the way I understood it, that you have to have certain equipment to be able to get DTS-HD audio. But I always thought Dolby TrueHD was more readily 'accessible' so to speak, so that more people are able to get it. Now from RockinDaMike's post, it seems he has the capability to get DTS-HD audio, since he is complaining that Star Trek didn't have it, which would mean he should technically be able to get Dolby TrueHD as well, theoretically. And my point being: can anyone tell the difference between the two? I've tried to find differences, but can't.

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    • GAMEC0CK2002
      Stayin Alive
      • Aug 2002
      • 10384

      #1607
      Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

      Originally posted by thaima1shu
      Well that's the way I understood it, that you have to have certain equipment to be able to get DTS-HD audio. But I always thought Dolby TrueHD was more readily 'accessible' so to speak, so that more people are able to get it. Now from RockinDaMike's post, it seems he has the capability to get DTS-HD audio, since he is complaining that Star Trek didn't have it, which would mean he should technically be able to get Dolby TrueHD as well, theoretically. And my point being: can anyone tell the difference between the two? I've tried to find differences, but can't.
      Oh okay. Gotcha. Shouldn't be able to, as far as i know.

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      • RockinDaMike
        All Star
        • Feb 2003
        • 9092

        #1608
        Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

        Yeah sorry I didn't explain, I have a denon 1910 receiver.

        Yes there is a noticeable difference between the two. Much richer and you get so immersed in the sound, its like your in a theater. Everything is very detailed in the sound from someone chewing to massive explosions, you really feel it. You really feel the power, I get the **** scare out of a lot when there are explosions.

        Recently I played Babylon A.D. for someone and you can really here the littlest things like Vin Diesel chewing to how crisp a gun shot sounds. Valkerie I watched last night and the scene where the planes invaded Tom Cruises camp scared the living **** out of me, from all the bullet blasts and explosions.

        It really hard to explain on the internet, you just gotta sit in a living room with that setup to understand I guess. My guess is why Star Trek went without it because its a much bigger sound file that True Dolby HD, and there are a ton of special features in the blu ray edition.

        I would compare the sound to when blu rays first came out and the sound was uncompressed, the sound from black hawk down was amazing.
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        • thaima1shu
          Robot
          • Feb 2004
          • 5598

          #1609
          Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

          Originally posted by RockinDaMike
          Yeah sorry I didn't explain, I have a denon 1910 receiver.

          Yes there is a noticeable difference between the two. Much richer and you get so immersed in the sound, its like your in a theater. Everything is very detailed in the sound from someone chewing to massive explosions, you really feel it. You really feel the power, I get the **** scare out of a lot when there are explosions.

          Recently I played Babylon A.D. for someone and you can really here the littlest things like Vin Diesel chewing to how crisp a gun shot sounds. Valkerie I watched last night and the scene where the planes invaded Tom Cruises camp scared the living **** out of me, from all the bullet blasts and explosions.

          It really hard to explain on the internet, you just gotta sit in a living room with that setup to understand I guess. My guess is why Star Trek went without it because its a much bigger sound file that True Dolby HD, and there are a ton of special features in the blu ray edition.

          I would compare the sound to when blu rays first came out and the sound was uncompressed, the sound from black hawk down was amazing.
          See, I can't tell the difference between the two. They're both lossless, and theoretically they're supposed to be identical. I have Red Cliff on blu-ray, and that movie has Linear PCM, DTS-HD, and Dolby TrueHD 7.1 audio all on the same disc. With my PS3 and Onkyo TX-SR606 7.1 receiver, I went through multiple scenes and replayed them each with each audio track, and could hardly tell a difference between any of them. I think the audio on DTS-HD was a bit lower, or maybe it was TrueHD. But then once I turned it up just a notch or two, it went back to sounding exactly the same. Maybe it's just me, but I definitely do not hear the drastic difference between TrueHD and DTS-HD that you're describing.
          Last edited by thaima1shu; 11-23-2009, 07:22 PM.

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          • GAMEC0CK2002
            Stayin Alive
            • Aug 2002
            • 10384

            #1610
            Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

            On a side note, Amazon has started lowering prices as we get near Black Friday.

            Notably, X-Men Origins will be $9.99 at 11pm EST until 1AM. Also, Passion of the Christ is $8.99, Dogma is $7.99 and Quantum of Solace is $9.99 right now.

            7.99
            Terminator

            8.49
            Interview with a Vampire

            9.49
            Requiem for a Dream
            History of Violence
            Terminator 3

            9.99
            Behind Enemy Lines
            Final Destination
            Mr. Brooks
            Perfect Storm
            Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)
            Time to Kill
            Transporter
            Walking Tall

            10.49
            Donnie Darko

            These 3-packs are $21.99.
            Action Blu-ray 3-Pack (Jumper / Transporter / Transporter 2)
            Muscle Blu-ray 3-Pack (AVP Alien vs. Predator / Predator / Commando)
            Funny Guy Collection (Napoleon Dynamite / Office Space / Young Frankenstein)
            Jock Collection (Dodgeball / Hoosiers / Rocky)
            Action Hero Collection (The Day After Tomorrow / I, Robot / The Terminator)
            War Hero Collection (Behind Enemy Lines / Patton / Rescue Dawn)

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            • bigfnjoe96
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 11410

              #1611
              Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

              The ability to get both True HD & DTS-MA lie in the way the player decodes the audio file. If the player decodes the file, then it will send the file to the receiver as LPCM. (Receiver must pass Audio via HDMI)

              If the player allows the receiver to decode the audio file, then you will get the sound the way it was mixed-in the studio as True-HD or DTS-MA. (Receiver must decode True-HD/DTS-MA via HDMI)This usually happens with players that allow for BITSTREAMING.

              I have the ability to get both True-HD & DTS-MA. I personally prefer DTS-MA as it sounds much fuller in my setting than True-HD does. The other thing people have to take into account is the bit-rate in which the file was mixed. The higher the bit-rate the better that audio will sound.

              That's why I love my PS3 & use them as my BR Players (Older & Newer) models, because when watching a movie you can hit display & see what the bit-rate is for both Audio & Video.
              Last edited by bigfnjoe96; 11-23-2009, 07:43 PM.

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              • thaima1shu
                Robot
                • Feb 2004
                • 5598

                #1612
                Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                Fry's has Fight Club for $9.17 on their website. Do instore pickup to avoid shipping, if you have a Fry's near you. Mine came out to $10.04 after tax. Looks like a great deal to me!

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42531

                  #1613
                  Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                  Originally posted by thaima1shu
                  Fry's has Fight Club for $9.17 on their website. Do instore pickup to avoid shipping, if you have a Fry's near you. Mine came out to $10.04 after tax. Looks like a great deal to me!
                  Strange that it's back up. I'll price match this bad boy at Best Buy for tomorrow. I won't be at a printer, or Fry's till then anyway.
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                  • JohnnytheSkin
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5914

                    #1614
                    Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                    Hey Blzer, out of curiosity, what name do you post under at AVSForum. I'd love to see what those video and audiophiles say about your pickiness, LOL. Not that you've said anything recently...I'm still stuck on the stuff about Dark Knight.

                    I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Douglas Adams

                    Oh, sorry...I got distracted by the internet. - Scott Pilgrim

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                    • Seymour Scagnetti
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 2489

                      #1615
                      Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                      Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                      Hey Blzer, out of curiosity, what name do you post under at AVSForum. I'd love to see what those video and audiophiles say about your pickiness, LOL. Not that you've said anything recently...I'm still stuck on the stuff about Dark Knight.

                      Please man, let sleeping dogs lie.

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                      • Blzer
                        Resident film pundit
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 42531

                        #1616
                        Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                        Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                        Hey Blzer, out of curiosity, what name do you post under at AVSForum. I'd love to see what those video and audiophiles say about your pickiness, LOL. Not that you've said anything recently...I'm still stuck on the stuff about Dark Knight.

                        No worries, man. It's muffinmcfluffin.

                        I'm sure you'd love to see my pickiness about Transformers: ROTF. No one else, except for a couple of others, seem to understand what I mean by it's not of the best sounding movies out there.

                        Watch this:

                        All I gotta say Is DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio!!!!!!!!!! Paramount Home Entertainment has announced that Michael Bay's Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is hitting Blu-ray and DVD on October 20. The full specs and Blu-ray cover can be found below: With more action and more thrills...


                        Here's the guy (in quotes) that eventually saved me from people harking on me just hearing it on an HTiB. It may be lacking, but it's lossless nonetheless and other movies "pop" much better than ROTF:

                        All I gotta say Is DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio!!!!!!!!!! Paramount Home Entertainment has announced that Michael Bay's Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is hitting Blu-ray and DVD on October 20. The full specs and Blu-ray cover can be found below: With more action and more thrills...



                        So yeah, I still complain.
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                        • GAMEC0CK2002
                          Stayin Alive
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 10384

                          #1617
                          Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                          Watched Up on blu ray. WOW....

                          Watched My Blood Valentine on blu ray.....it was a pretty good transfer and solid remake. Kinda wish I had seen the 3D version

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                          • judgejudy
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1377

                            #1618
                            Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                            a majority of best buy's black friday deals on blu rays are already available on the website for anybody who was planning on fighting the crowds for them tomorrow
                            Link here

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                            • The Chef
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 13684

                              #1619
                              Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                              Originally posted by judgejudy
                              a majority of best buy's black friday deals on blu rays are already available on the website for anybody who was planning on fighting the crowds for them tomorrow
                              Link here
                              And do yourself a favor and check amazon as some are even cheaper, Gladiator and Breaveheart for example are 12.99 through Best Buy but are only 10.00 through Amazon.
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                              • GAMEC0CK2002
                                Stayin Alive
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 10384

                                #1620
                                Re: **Official Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Thread Part II**

                                You can get Fight Club and Boondock Saints on blu ray for $21 together on Amazon.

                                Fight Club by itself is $16.

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