Fringe anyone?

[Burns11]

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The Observers are very mundane. The Observer jots down notes on a notepad. It all seems very primitive considering today's modern technology but perhaps that is what they prefer. Maybe they can't risk moving information electronically or digitally because it creates opportunity for hackers to access that information. Sending a man with a briefcase amongst a crowd of other business people is a much more clandestine method.

Encrypted information would be much, much more secure than guys walking around with briefcases, Gordon figured them out with enough warning to get plane tickets to people for them to intercept.

Considering some of the communications methods we've seen (i.e. the typewriter) it feels just a little more than inept to use guys with briefcases full of photographs. Let's put it another way, considering what we've seen from the pattern, and more specifically the doppelganger, whoever is behind all this certainly doesn't shy away from technology.

[CMH]

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The people responsible for the pattern aren't the Observers, though.

It seems like a world of technology vs. a world against technology.

And Gordon figuring out doesn't make a huge difference. That was sort of his thing. The key would be that no one else has a clue who they are because no one would care. Regular people just see them as regular people.

But, I do think you're onto something. There is likely a reason why they choose these methods.

[Burns11]

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The people responsible for the pattern aren't the Observers, though.

That seemed to be what Gordon was saying, and what the show wanted you to think, unless there are two separate entities waging war on earth1 at the same time for their own motives.

The observers haven't shown a particular distaste for technology, they were shown using a fairly sophisticated binocular type device in the first season and the photographs from this past episode seemed sophisticated as well.

My problem isn't so much in the methods, but in using those methods if you were, in fact, collecting data for a future invasion. Could you imagine the CIA or even the intelligence agencies in their infancy (MI-8, OSS, etc), sending data just stuffed unhidden in a briefcase through mass transit? I can't. These are people, even if they are abhorrent to most technology, who are organized and tactical enough to spend decades watching an enemy gathering intelligence.

[Bruins]

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Maybe The Observer(s) are in World1 AND World2, and maybe they are aware of each other, but what if they can't really communicate. And the only way they can get information/intel/pictures across worlds is to have them physically "transported"?

The Walter we know could be from World2, and those Observers might be trying to keep an eye on him?

Just a thought...

[CMH]

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That seemed to be what Gordon was saying, and what the show wanted you to think, unless there are two separate entities waging war on earth1 at the same time for their own motives.

The observers haven't shown a particular distaste for technology, they were shown using a fairly sophisticated binocular type device in the first season and the photographs from this past episode seemed sophisticated as well.

My problem isn't so much in the methods, but in using those methods if you were, in fact, collecting data for a future invasion. Could you imagine the CIA or even the intelligence agencies in their infancy (MI-8, OSS, etc), sending data just stuffed unhidden in a briefcase through mass transit? I can't. These are people, even if they are abhorrent to most technology, who are organized and tactical enough to spend decades watching an enemy gathering intelligence.

There has to be a reason, maybe even like Bruins suggested.

[p_rushing]

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Maybe The Observer(s) are in World1 AND World2, and maybe they are aware of each other, but what if they can't really communicate. And the only way they can get information/intel/pictures across worlds is to have them physically "transported"?

The Walter we know could be from World2, and those Observers might be trying to keep an eye on him?

Just a thought...

That's what I think. They are transporting the information across worlds, so the easiest is to have someone transport it across or with a typewriter.

[steveo]

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This is a great show and I like how season 2 has started off in the sense it has kept me interested.

[Burns11]

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Lots going on in this episode, nothing to change any of my theories though.

Love that they are quickening the main arc, season one was too slow.

[CMH]

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So the death of the shifter must confirm that we'll be seeing more of the alternate universe soon, right?

Mr. Acevedo needs work.

[Burns11]

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We'll see more of the shape shifters I'm sure, but I'm kind of confused with the new universe switching rules. It's tough on people, so much so that they barely survive, but Olivia was drifting between the two seamlessly. Obviously she is different, but she didn't so much as bring it up when talking to Bell? It also hasn't happened for a while, is it just going to be abandoned or was that a symptom of the "storm" alluded to caused by the guy trying to open his own door so we should see a lot more of it upcoming?

Looks like bowling alley guy is done without much explanation, not sure why he was even in the story at this point.

Last night's story had some sags in it's logic, that Dunham believed the text saying it was Nina without checking the reconstruction was goofy, and it should have been mostly done by then. Besides, and this could have just been a symptom of us knowing who it was, even in the earliest of stages it didn't look like Nina. This whole shape shifter storyline has been off from a logic standpoint, you have all these people who can figure out the biggest mysteries and connect the loosest of threads, but can't put two and two together for this instance. I know Olivia was pretty out of it while this was going on, but in this month I'm sure she became well versed on what happened. There's just no way Nina could fit in with what happened that day and everything they know.

[eDotd]

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I don't think Olivia was actually drifting to and from both universes though, weren't those just memories coming back to her? It's not like she was going back and forth multiple times, from what we've seen she's only been there and back one time.

As for her believing Charlie..it's sort of up in the air. On one hand I agree with you about her not being able to put two and two together but on the other hand she had no idea Charlie was the shape shifter. She's worked with Charlie for years, he's been there for her, I would think she would take his word for what it's worth. Nina has always been suspect to Olivia so I don't really have a hard time believing that Olivia actually believed Nina was the SS.

Anyway, good season so far. Looks like things are about to pick up big time.

[CMH]

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It's still something to question. I know I was confused by it as I watched. I thought even Walter or Astrid commented on the shape of the head when it was at 20% and Olivia was there to see that.

It was poorly done. There are better ways it could have been handled. One way is for Charlie to have said nothing at all. Olivia wasn't going to try to kill her. He could have still orchestrated a way to take down the database.

[Burns11]

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I don't think Olivia was actually drifting to and from both universes though, weren't those just memories coming back to her? It's not like she was going back and forth multiple times, from what we've seen she's only been there and back one time.

I was talking about from season one, the one episode she drifted back and forth several times.

[JayBee74]

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Maybe The Observer(s) are in World1 AND World2, and maybe they are aware of each other, but what if they can't really communicate. And the only way they can get information/intel/pictures across worlds is to have them physically "transported"?

The Walter we know could be from World2, and those Observers might be trying to keep an eye on him?

Just a thought...

If the Walter we know is from World2, why didn't the Hallucinogenic Induced Lady see a glowing Peter, but not a glowing Walter?

[stewaat]

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