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I'm not sure I understand the water thing either, but we do know resources were harmed in the alternate universe. There was water in Central Park, but perhaps none of the water is drinking water. That's all I can come up with here.
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As for the finale, I enjoyed it. I'm a firm believer of the "if it happened, it can't be undone because it'd be a paradox" form of time travel, but I don't understand how you can say that but then say it's OK for Peter to change things.
Unless, most of that has to do with whatever this is about Peter not existing (huge WTF from me there), and because of that he simply only saw what his actions could do but not necessarily what they did do until he had the chance to make a choice.
What I'd like to know is the thought process for November in explaining how these things would happen if he saved Peter Bishop from drowning. How do you save someone that never existed? I can only guess he was created to pit the two Walter's against each other so they could learn to work together - based off the assumption they are the only ones that could really prevent this multi-universal catastrophe.
But, wasn't it the bringing of Peter across universes that created this issue in the first place?
I do note that Olivia says: "Doesn't matter what you both did. We're here now so we might as well fix it."
Likely intentional that she's vague on what created the wormholes."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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This is what really confuses me.
He "was" the entire center piece to almost every story line throughout the series. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
I have no doubt he will be back at one point, but it was still a strange development in the final minutes of the finale...Comment
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He'll be back, some how. I'd think we'd have heard by now if Joshua Jackson was being killed off or not returning to Fringe.
But, it does bring up the question of how will he come back if he doesn't exist?!
Total criss cross, man. Not something I expected at all.
I do like the use of time travel, though. Very Lost like. I won't say more in case anyone didn't see all of Lost. But, I do approve of time travel in this use."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I'm actually glad they brought that into play.
Without time travel, there would be a very limited storyline for next season because we would have just one universe.
I wasn't crazy with the finale but it still leaves me intrigued at what the next season will bring.
Either way, this season will be a first day buy again.Comment
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Agreed. I was skeptical at first as I always am with time travel but I'm glad it was thrown in. I wondered if season four was gonna be about stopping Walternate. A good villain, I suppose, but a season with little else to hold it down in my opinion.
That doesn't change much with what's been given to us now but at least we have this Peter deal to wonder over in season four. I'm curious to see what season four will cover, though.
Will both Olivia's be working together to stop worm holes from forming? Will they together somehow remember Peter? Did anyone else cross over?
And what happened to the guy that's supposed to kill Olivia?
Sent from my mobile device."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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That's what was intriguing about the last scene...I got the same feeling, I think they will be working together and that stems from alternate Olivia telling Walternate why it was his fault their universe would be destroyed...
My bet is that guy was Sam Weiss...I was four episodes behind until last night but after the cartoon episode and the next one, he was the first person that came to my mind.And what happened to the guy that's supposed to kill Olivia?
He also has acted very strange since giving out the crowbar...Comment
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Maybe the guy Olivia said was going to kill her was the Brad Dourif character, I mean he DID kill her.
Something else, and this is a theory. What if the Observers aren't just observers. They exist outside of time, the last vestiges of humanity from a collapsing reality, having figured out how to exist outside of time and space, to go back and change what was going to destroy the universe. So they go back and try to find the "butterfly effect" instance that stops the universe from being destroyed without creating a paradox so large it would destroy the fabric of time. In this case, they go back and stop Walternate from healing his son, trying to stop Walter from crossing over to abduct Peter, but this fails and rather than call it a wash and watch Walter and Peter die, an observer decides to save Walter and Peter to see if this can change the way things played out. Since the Observers use a derivative of Walters device, once Walter's device is used it wipes what the Observers did from time, so the Peter we've been watching no longer exists but the Peter that existed without their interference does still exist.
I seem to recall a slightly similar story in one of the Star Treks (I want to say Enterprise) where there was an alien species who had a ship that could exist outside of time, their empire was destroyed and they spent years erasing species from time trying to set their empire back to where it once was.Comment
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D'oh, you're right, I remembered wrong.Comment
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I don't think you can say it's Sam Weiss. That guy that jumped in the cartoon did not look like any character we've seen before in the series.
I'm sure it'll come up again but I'm intrigued in how it will happen. He seems like the least of their worries right now. And it's confusing a bit because we saw Walternate kill 2026 Olivia but I guess we are to assume that those events weren't real because Peter found a way to alter them by merging the universes or whatever he did.
Sent from my mobile device."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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i had to look online to figure out who that younger Dunham was...turned out to be Olivias niece whom i completely forgot about..Comment
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I just caught the finale and I really don't know what to think going forward. For one i don't know how peter doing what he did in the machine causes him to no longer exist in the timeline now.
anyway it seems to be whatever happened happened. bu via different means. I'm sure next season will reveal Walter and Bell found some other way to cross over and started the universes collapsing. I put it akin to what happened in Spider Man comics recently if anyone's read them the past few years.
BTW it's been announced that the guy playing the new head of Fringe division in Alt world, Lincoln, will be a full time regular next season. Anyway i actually am really looking forward to next season.HELLO BROOKYLN.
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