*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[Money99]

Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Damn I can't find the season 1 thread. I want to go back, cuz I remember saying it was purgatory back then. I didn't watch last night as I quit years ago, but sounds pretty much like that it was purgatory right?

Popular consensus would tell you that the island was real but the Season 6 flash-sideways (or alternate reality) was purgatory.

But the flash-sideways were done so poorly that it only raised more confusion and questions. We're to believe that this 'reality' or purgatory was from Jack's perspective but then through 16 episodes we see it from all the other Losties perspectives.
Why would these other people have their purgatory awakenings inside of another's experience?

And I also found it really really funny how it was rammed down our throat that Sayid was in love with one woman, and then in the end, his soul-mate is actually a woman he got to know for a few days on the island. Made no sense either.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Season 6 (and most likely Season 4-6) was just a slap-together storyline with several bandaid answers to various questions they raised over 6 years.

Imagine reading a masterpeice of a book that captures you through 200 pages, but then in the last 200 the writer appears to have grown bored or run out of ideas so he throws in a bunch of magic clowns, midgets and the Keebler Elves to answer all the legit, cool mysteries brought up in the first half of the book.
That's Lost in a nutshell.

That ending was a big 'F-you' to the audience from the writers. "Hey, I know we raised all these cool things such as the Numbers, Dharma, black rock, Widemore, hieroglyphics, and Hanso, but in the end, there was a giant magic wand that made it all possible. Thanks for watching and please support our sponsers!".

In hindsight, the flashing back in time was just plain dumb and had no bearing on anything.

I still think the better ending would have been Jack and Ben taking over as Jacob and MIB and seeing another plane or boat landing on the island showing that the same struggle between good and evil is an endless cycle.

P.S. Adding Boone and Shannon in the end made very little sense. Why not just have every single person who was on the plane in the church?
It makes zero sense that Libby is there (associated with Hurley) but then Penny and Desmond's son is not. Same with the Kwon's daughter.
Or how about Peggy Bundy?
Too many loved ones were not present making the choices of those in the church nonsensical.
It's just another 'WTF' moment in a very disappointing final season.

[Money99]

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Lost in a nutshell:

If you watched the program for the personal journey of the characters you'll probably like the ending.

If you liked the show because of the mysteries and were intrigued by them, you got hosed.

We had a small Lost party last night with 6 other people. Every one of us hated the ending and felt that we were all losers for being wrapped up in this show for 6 years.
But then all of us were people who were really into the mysteries of the island.

Who knew that being interested or trying to figure out things like the numbers, hatches, Dharma, Blackrock and the Widemore dynamic's would be a complete and utter waste of time?

[CMH]

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Popular consensus would tell you that the island was real but the Season 6 flash-sideways (or alternate reality) was purgatory.

But the flash-sideways were done so poorly that it only raised more confusion and questions. We're to believe that this 'reality' or purgatory was from Jack's perspective but then through 16 episodes we see it from all the other Losties perspectives.
Why would these other people have their purgatory awakenings inside of another's experience?

Agreed and that's why I choose to pretend they never happened. That was another show, something else and it was mostly filler.

And I also found it really really funny how it was rammed down our throat that Sayid was in love with one woman, and then in the end, his soul-mate is actually a woman he got to know for a few days on the island. Made no sense either.

More sideways nonsense.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Season 6 (and most likely Season 4-6) was just a slap-together storyline with several bandaid answers to various questions they raised over 6 years.

Imagine reading a masterpeice of a book that captures you through 200 pages, but then in the last 200 the writer appears to have grown bored or run out of ideas so he throws in a bunch of magic clowns, midgets and the Keebler Elves to answer all the legit, cool mysteries brought up in the first half of the book.
That's Lost in a nutshell.

I keep saying this but if you take away the flash-sideways stories I think your opinion changes. Imagine instead if the Oceanic 6 had to go back and once returning we jump straight into Jacob and MiB. None of this bomb stuff, none of this time jumping. Just get to the Island and serve your purpose.

That's essentially the Island story and if the above happened, I bet less people would be upset.

In hindsight, the flashing back in time was just plain dumb and had no bearing on anything.

It's only purpose was to give us some history and to explain that they had been through this before. But, a lot of it could have been achieved the way the Lostie stories were explained in Seasons 1-3 - flashbacks.

I still think the better ending would have been Jack and Ben taking over as Jacob and MIB and seeing another plane or boat landing on the island showing that the same struggle between good and evil is an endless cycle.

I disagree as I don't see how Ben fits in that role, but I respect your opinion. I just don't think you should judge the ending based on what you would have rather seen. We still got closure to the Island story. There is a replacement and the Smoke Monster is dead.

P.S. Adding Boone and Shannon in the end made very little sense. Why not just have every single person who was on the plane in the church?
It makes zero sense that Libby is there (associated with Hurley) but then Penny and Desmond's son is not. Same with the Kwon's daughter.
Or how about Peggy Bundy?
Too many loved ones were not present making the choices of those in the church nonsensical..

Again, the flash-sideways should have never happened.

[bigmoe]

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I'm seeing the island as a portal from death to purgatory to the afterlife. References with the struggle with good and evil for your soul, go to the light, time does not exist . All these people some how connected in life and death. I think we only got glimpse of life but all of death and how to move on.

[ehh]

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I question this as well, due to Jack dying at the end in the same spot he ended up with when the plane crashes. And the scene at the credits showing the aftermath of the initial plane crash with apparantly no survivors.

I hope that if that was the intent of the writers that they would have shown that scene in a much more dramatic fashion and certainly not with credits showing on half the screen. Who knows though....

[CMH]

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Lost in a nutshell:

If you watched the program for the personal journey of the characters you'll probably like the ending.

If you liked the show because of the mysteries and were intrigued by them, you got hosed.

We had a small Lost party last night with 6 other people. Every one of us hated the ending and felt that we were all losers for being wrapped up in this show for 6 years.
But then all of us were people who were really into the mysteries of the island.

Who knew that being interested or trying to figure out things like the numbers, hatches, Dharma, Blackrock and the Widemore dynamic's would be a complete and utter waste of time?

I watched for both the characters and the mysteries. I was here theorizing with all of you and I'm completely satisfied with the ending (on the Island).

Not to challenge you in any way, but I don't understand why you feel you were hosed if you were into the mystery. Lots of questions were answered.

Numbers, hatches, DHARMA, Blackrock, Widmore - I thought all of that was explained.

[Skerik]

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Regarding Shannon and Sayid, they were brought to the island by Jacob to find each other because each had something to offer the other to heal their flaws and strengthen their weaknesses. Sayid loved Nadia, but he could never escape his past when he was with her - Shannon brought him peace and made him a different person. That's why she was there last night and Nadia wasn't.

The Kwon's daughter was born off-island and wasn't known to many of the 815ers. Why would she have been in the church last night? Locke's girlfriend wasn't known to any of them - why would she have been there? The people who were there are the people who were important to the people who were also there. I think you need to differentiate "loved ones" from the people who truly made a difference in the character's lives. Their time on the island was the most important time in their life - as such, people who weren't there aren't necessary for them to pass on.

I'm also confused with most of the talk about the plane wreckage shown during the credits last night. I took it to mean that yes, the plane actually crashed, and since there were no bodies I took that to mean that what we saw happen on the island actually happened - people survived and lived the lives we saw them live.

[Skerik]

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Numbers, hatches, DHARMA, Blackrock, Widmore - I thought all of that was explained.

I was going to say the same thing. What mysteries do you desperately need answered at this point? I think the beauty of the show's conclusion is how it was turned on its ear from where it began. We did get a lot of things answered, but I feel like I don't need any more answers to make sense of what happened and feel satisfied with how the show ended. I don't feel cheated at all, and I don't feel like the writers cheated either. When I heard the show would end open-ended I was very worried that I would feel unsatisfied, but I feel totally satisfied.

But your mileage may vary....

[ehh]

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The Flash-sideways seems to me, now after watching this finale, a late decision made to appease the fans that wanted the bomb to do something. Honestly, there should have never been a bomb to begin with on the show. All of that did absolutely nothing and was a waste of time for those watching for the Island story.

That Flash-sideways ending was an example of not knowing what to do with a story element that was introduced for the fans and nothing else.

I agree with this 100% and felt that way through out the process. The time travel and S5 and the flash-sideways in S6 were gigantic wastes of time.

The flash-sideways, which probably ate up 40% of the air time of S6, were all a relatively useless lead up to the final scene of the series. They should have taken up about 10% of S6 and things wouldn't have seemed as ridiculous. Spending so much time on it opened up way too many holes and questions.

And more importantly, since me and you are the only people I've seen mention it, it overshadowed a really good ending to the Island part of the story.

[DJ]

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I watched for both the characters and the mysteries. I was here theorizing with all of you and I'm completely satisfied with the ending (on the Island).

Not to challenge you in any way, but I don't understand why you feel you were hosed if you were into the mystery. Lots of questions were answered.

Numbers, hatches, DHARMA, Blackrock, Widmore - I thought all of that was explained.

They were explained, but never fully.

I have to agree with Money; I think the writers didn't know what to do after Season 3 or 4 (whichever one had the Original 6 leave the island).

[CMH]

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I was going to say the same thing. What mysteries do you desperately need answered at this point? I think the beauty of the show's conclusion is how it was turned on its ear from where it began. We did get a lot of things answered, but I feel like I don't need any more answers to make sense of what happened and feel satisfied with how the show ended. I don't feel cheated at all, and I don't feel like the writers cheated either. When I heard the show would end open-ended I was very worried that I would feel unsatisfied, but I feel totally satisfied.

But your mileage may vary....

Agreed.

I mean, I do somewhat get Money's complaint.

I saw his post about the Numbers and I think it was him that asked about how Jacob and MiB got their powers, and all that stuff.

I guess I just don't feel like it matters.

Every answer is going to lead to more questions. It's life for you. If you gave me the meaning of life, I would counter it with a million more questions on why things happen. Some things simply do not have answers. They just are.

[Sportsforever]

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Numbers, hatches, DHARMA, Blackrock, Widmore - I thought all of that was explained.

Maybe I missed something, but how does Widmore fit into any of this if it was them "letting go" and moving on? Why did Widmore send a commando team to the island to take out the survivors and capture Ben. Why did Widmore go to an auction and win the diary of the captain of the Blackrock? The only explanation I ever heard for the numbers was "they don't matter".

The more I thought about how this ended last night, the more disenchanted I am with the whole thing...

[CMH]

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I agree with this 100% and felt that way through out the process. The time travel and S5 and the flash-sideways in S6 were gigantic wastes of time.

The flash-sideways, which probably ate up 40% of the air time of S6, were all a relatively useless lead up to the final scene of the series. They should have taken up about 10% of S6 and things wouldn't have seemed as ridiculous. Spending so much time on it opened up way too many holes and questions.

And more importantly, since me and you are the only people I've seen mention it, it overshadowed a really good ending to the Island part of the story.

With the exception of people wanting more answers (and that's fair, so with Money, for example, I get it), most of the responses about Lost's finale has to do with how the sideways ended and then backtracking on that and trying to find out how it relates to the Island story.

It's a shame because the producers basically ruined a perfectly fine ending to the actual story that we were watching by introducing the flash-sideways.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around its real meaning. What did it achieve but confusion?

[CMH]

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Maybe I missed something, but how does Widmore fit into any of this if it was them "letting go" and moving on? Why did Widmore send a commando team to the island to take out the survivors and capture Ben. Why did Widmore go to an auction and win the diary of the captain of the Blackrock? The only explanation I ever heard for the numbers was "they don't matter".

The more I thought about how this ended last night, the more disenchanted I am with the whole thing...

You're still connecting the flash-sideways with the Island story if you're talking about letting go.

I've moved on from that.

Charles Widmore had his purpose and it was to bring Desmond back to the Island.


As for the Numbers: they do matter but they also don't.

They have a history with DHARMA and the Valenzetti Equation, but beyond that they were a pure coincidence for the series.

Here's some history on the Numbers:

1. Valenzetti devises an equation that explains when the world will end.
2. DHARMA Initiative is formed and upon discovering the Island (yes, I would have liked to have known how they discovered it too) discovered its powers and realized it could use it to change the equation to postpone the end.
3. The Numbers are marked on the hatch that is built over the largest discovered source of the Island's power (because they were not going to find the light source unless Jacob took them to it).
4. Those numbers were transmitted over airwaves.
5. Some nut job heard those Numbers over the airwaves and kept repeating them in the Mental Institute.
6. Hurley heard them and decided to play the Numbers.
7. Hurley wins the Lotto.
8. Hurley has bad luck after winning the Lotto.
9. Hurley flies to Sydney to find out where the crazy guy heard those Numbers.
10. Hurley crash lands on the Island.

Not sure what else is needed there.

[Jukeman]

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Maybe I missed something, but how does Widmore fit into any of this if it was them "letting go" and moving on? Why did Widmore send a commando team to the island to take out the survivors and capture Ben. Why did Widmore go to an auction and win the diary of the captain of the Blackrock? The only explanation I ever heard for the numbers was "they don't matter".

The more I thought about how this ended last night, the more disenchanted I am with the whole thing...

Also how did Dharma find the island and was able to leave whenever they want, yet "Jacob doesn't let anyone leave the island"

I feel like 80% of the series had nothing to do with lastnite...

They really need to put out a book or something..

This season had some much flip flopping in it, I wouldn't doubt if they made stuff up on the go.