*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

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Dez is the man.

I really love his story.

[MachoMyers]

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In seeing Charles offer Desmond some of his old Scoth I instantly remembered the episode seasons back when the two first met in Charles' office and Charles only poured one glass of Scotch. Nice little bonus there.

[War Eagle!]

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Haven't been confused in a while. Tonight definitely got me. Think Desmonds story is gonna merge the timelines?

[Money99]

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Haven't been confused in a while. Tonight definitely got me. Think Desmonds story is gonna merge the timelines?

I'm confused as well.
E! Online said that last nights episode was supposed to reveal what the show is all about. And one of the producers/writers Twitter updates said 7 days ago "In one week, the conversation changes".

How so?

I think most people figured the two realities were going to merge at some point.

I'm also assuming that Desmond is experiencing what he did before in that he's flashing between the two realities.
In his previous experience, he was going to die unless he found a constant. Will it be the same again this time?
My memory is shot so I can't exactly remember how he stopped them from happening last time? Was it him finding his constant, or was it some event that took place to end his 'jumping'?

EDIT: Nevermind. Found it on Lostpedia. He had to call/talk with Penny and he did that while on Widemore's ship.

Interesting note in Desmond's Lostpedia page. His encounter with Elouise Hawking at the jewelry store during his first 'jump' she revealed that none of us can escape fate. And that the universe has a way of "course correcting" itself.

Is that what this episode revealed? That there's no choice? That's everything is fate?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Desmond

[CMH]

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There's a bit of a conflict it seems, unless I understood incorrectly.

I previously thought that Charles Widmore was aware of the sideways universe. While this wasn't confirmed nor denied, it does appear that Eloise Widmore is aware of the sideways universe. She seems to have a special connection to Desmond and also seems intent on forcing Desmond away from Penelope, more so than Charles.

Yet, for Desmond to be the weapon that Charles needs, Desmond will have to do everything in his power to right the world and be with Penelope. So, why is Eloise fighting this? She fought it in a Season 3 episode when Desmond is hoping to buy the ring, and she fought it again last night when Desmond inquires about Penny. Right now, I can say that Eloise's motives are right up there with MiB's and Jacob's in my mind - they are all very important to the series.

I think what Charlie experienced in the sideways universe is what Juliet experienced before dying and telling Sawyer that it worked. Much like Charlie was able to see into the correct universe as he neared death, Juliet was able to see into the sideways universe and believed that their actions had created the timeline she and the other Losties had wanted.

No matter what actually happened last night, Lost made me happy by once again solidifying Desmond as perhaps the most important piece of this entire series. How he will be used by Charles is still a bit of a mystery to me, but I'm going to assume that his ability to stand high doses of electro-magnetic energy will come into play similar to the energy pillars used to keep MiB away from specific areas.

I had a true sense of satisfaction at the completion of the episode as Desmond is now fighting for a cause. We've been fed a lot of MiB vs. Jacob story and their intentions, but we were still unsure what the Losties had to gain or lose in all of this. Last night, their story came to life and I can't wait to see it unfold.


edit: Well, something just hit me after reading Money99 talking about fighting fate and self-correcting universes.

What if Eloise is fighting all this because the sideways universe is the real universe and the universe we've been seeing all this time is the false one created by the Losties. Maybe she's trying to keep Desmond away from using love as a motivation to create the universe we the audience believe to be the real one.

I mean, what confirmation have we been given that this universe is better or worse than the flash sideways universe? What confirmation have we been given to know that one is more real than the other?

[CMH]

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I'm confused as well.
E! Online said that last nights episode was supposed to reveal what the show is all about. And one of the producers/writers Twitter updates said 7 days ago "In one week, the conversation changes".

I think they revealed it by showing us that it's about Desmond being with Penny. Maybe Lost is more than good vs. evil, black vs. white. Perhaps it's actually just a love story and doing whatever you can to be with the one you love. That's where it seems to be headed.

As for Lindelof suggesting that the conversation changes after last night, I think it did. We aren't going to talk about Jacob and MiB anymore, that's for sure. They'll come up again, but now Lost fans are going to talk about Desmond and Charles and Eloise and Penny and Daniel and how any resolution will have to come from them.

The conversation has changed and its put the focus back on the characters we've been following since Season 2.

[Money99]

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There's a bit of a conflict it seems, unless I understood incorrectly.

I previously thought that Charles Widmore was aware of the sideways universe. While this wasn't confirmed nor denied, it does appear that Eloise Widmore is aware of the sideways universe. She seems to have a special connection to Desmond and also seems intent on forcing Desmond away from Penelope, more so than Charles.

Yet, for Desmond to be the weapon that Charles needs, Desmond will have to do everything in his power to right the world and be with Penelope. So, why is Eloise fighting this? She fought it in a Season 3 episode when Desmond is hoping to buy the ring, and she fought it again last night when Desmond inquires about Penny. Right now, I can say that Eloise's motives are right up there with MiB's and Jacob's in my mind - they are all very important to the series.

I think what Charlie experienced in the sideways universe is what Juliet experienced before dying and telling Sawyer that it worked. Much like Charlie was able to see into the correct universe as he neared death, Juliet was able to see into the sideways universe and believed that their actions had created the timeline she and the other Losties had wanted.

No matter what actually happened last night, Lost made me happy by once again solidifying Desmond as perhaps the most important piece of this entire series. How he will be used by Charles is still a bit of a mystery to me, but I'm going to assume that his ability to stand high doses of electro-magnetic energy will come into play similar to the energy pillars used to keep MiB away from specific areas.

I had a true sense of satisfaction at the completion of the episode as Desmond is now fighting for a cause. We've been fed a lot of MiB vs. Jacob story and their intentions, but we were still unsure what the Losties had to gain or lose in all of this. Last night, their story came to life and I can't wait to see it unfold.


[i]edit: Well, something just hit me after reading Money99 talking about fighting fate and self-correcting universes.

What if Eloise is fighting all this because the sideways universe is the real universe and the universe we've been seeing all this time is the false one created by the Losties. Maybe she's trying to keep Desmond away from using love as a motivation to create the universe we the audience believe to be the real one.

I mean, what confirmation have we been given that this universe is better or worse than the flash sideways universe? What confirmation have we been given to know that one is more real than the other?[i]

Great thoughts YankeePride. Especially the last part.
It's something I was thinking about last night as well. About which reality is the real one.
Afterall, when they crashed it was due to a major electric-magnetic overload.
Did that tear make a new reality that wasn't correct?
How many of those overloads have occurred on the island?

Eloise's motives might be simplistic in that this 'new' reality is the one she prefers because her son is alive (she did shoot him afterall). So it makes sense that she wants to keep things the way they are in the new world.

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I liked that Widmore had a scale with a black rock and a white rock on the wall in his office. Great episode.

[ODogg]

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Well as usual i'm confused beyond belief but I just keep watching and wondering, LOL. I think it's basically going to come down to self-correcting alternate universes. That's going to be what this show is about. I've read a good bit about self-correcting alternate universes and it's an intriguing idea so if that's the case I think it's pretty cool.

[Beantown]

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No matter what actually happened last night, Lost made me happy by once again solidifying Desmond as perhaps the most important piece of this entire series. How he will be used by Charles is still a bit of a mystery to me, but I'm going to assume that his ability to stand high doses of electro-magnetic energy will come into play similar to the energy pillars used to keep MiB away from specific areas.

It seemed...incredibly obvious...to me that Charles told Desmond that the MiB was going to send someone after him and that, in order to do whatever Charles needs Desmond for (has to be something with an electro-magnet), Desmond had to go with whomever the MiB sent. Desmond went along with Sayid way too easy at the end of the episode for it to be anything else.

[CMH]

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It seemed...incredibly obvious...to me that Charles told Desmond that the MiB was going to send someone after him and that, in order to do whatever Charles needs Desmond for (has to be something with an electro-magnet), Desmond had to go with whomever the MiB sent. Desmond went along with Sayid way too easy at the end of the episode for it to be anything else.

Yea, noticed the same thing. I think it was supposed to be obvious. At least, I hope so because that would have been the worst scene in Cusick's history on Lost.

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It seemed...incredibly obvious...to me that Charles told Desmond that the MiB was going to send someone after him and that, in order to do whatever Charles needs Desmond for (has to be something with an electro-magnet), Desmond had to go with whomever the MiB sent. Desmond went along with Sayid way too easy at the end of the episode for it to be anything else.

It seemed like we followed all of Desmond's actions from the energy room to Sayid, so I don't see how that conversation took place unless in the alternate universe/timeline.
I thought Desmond relented to Sayid because he either had a revelation in the magnetic energy that his (everyone's?) action are of no consequence or he knows the future and his path.

[Money99]

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It seemed like we followed all of Desmond's actions from the energy room to Sayid, so I don't see how that conversation took place unless in the alternate universe/timeline.
I thought Desmond relented to Sayid because he either had a revelation in the magnetic energy that his (everyone's?) action are of no consequence or he knows the future and his path.

Or he's realized that he's destined for Penny either way.

[soltrain]

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I think what alternate reality we are seeing are what will happen if Smokey gets uncorked. The key is the conversation Eloise had with Desmond about how he has everything he ever wanted, but he doesn't belong her.

Everyone's alternate reality has given them exactly what they wanted, but only if they've chosen to be with Smokey. Sayid goes with Smokey, he gets Nadia. Kate goes with Smokey, she helped Claire and Aaron be together. Sawyer is with Smokey, he is a good guy redeeming himself (and will probably meet up with Juliet at some point. He has to).

Sun and Ben decide not to go with Smokey and Ben doesn't get the new job and Sun doesn't get her baby or possibly Jin.

I think it will ultimately come down to a Matrix type thing with Smokey as the architect. You can CHOOSE to get off the Island with Smokey, and live the life that Smokey promised you (which we are seeing) - but you will know that it's not real. We are seeing the characters getting deja-vu at moments, and Desmond walking around telling them all that this isn't where they are supposed to be will set off memories for all of them like it did Charlie and Faraday.

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Yet, for Desmond to be the weapon that Charles needs, Desmond will have to do everything in his power to right the world and be with Penelope. So, why is Eloise fighting this? She fought it in a Season 3 episode when Desmond is hoping to buy the ring, and she fought it again last night when Desmond inquires about Penny. Right now, I can say that Eloise's motives are right up there with MiB's and Jacob's in my mind - they are all very important to the series.

Look back at Eloise Hawking's actions throughout the series (Lostpedia is useful). Everything from her pushing Daniel at a young age to be a brilliant scientist to dissuading Desmond from changing his past in his "flashes" to helping the Oceanic 6 return to the island. All of it designed to make sure "what happened, happened" (ie, that Oceanic 815 would crash in 2004, and that Daniel and the Losties would detonate Jughead in 1977).

Why? To create the alternate reality in which Eloise never kills Daniel. Why is Eloise aware of the multiple realities? My guess is that she cut a deal with the MiB on the island in 1977, shortly after realizing she'd killed her son, and became his agent to make sure that everything from 1977 to 2007 happened as it should, leading to MiB's escape from the island. MiB probably offered her a deal similar to the one he made to Richard and Sayid. If she acts on MiB's behalf to make sure "what happened, happened", the time loop is now broken and a new "reality" exists, one in which Daniel doesn't have to die.