Your opinions in Music that many would disagree with

[ILLCHILL]

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I dont know how many will disagree, but it seems to me that alotta people will hate on music because its popular or well-known. I hate when people say some great bands suck, and instead put up some unknown indy band and say "now these guys know what the are doing". I am not bashing indy bands, I listen more to that than anything else probably, but it bugs me when I see this happening. Contrary to popular belief, there is a reason some of these guys are on the radio and have record deals, and its not cuz they all 'sell-out' or the American public doesnt know whats good. In many cases, its cuz they have great stuff.

[Blzer]

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People may know this from the Creed thread, but I despise near all Rap and Hip-Hop. Alternative Rock is where it's at for me... including Creed and Nickleback (for all of you 'haters' of them).

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Labels are useless in music, other than the genre labels, and even sometimes they are useless.

[kuruption]

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rap is the best genre of music and it isnt even close , its 1000 times better than everything else

......im sure millions of ppl would disagree with that .

[ILLCHILL]

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rap is the best genre of music and it isnt even close , its 1000 times better than everything else

......im sure millions of ppl would disagree with that .

Me Still respect it though

As long as it aint....hip/hop.

[SPTO]

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rap is the best genre of music and it isnt even close , its 1000 times better than everything else

......im sure millions of ppl would disagree with that .

Can I have some of your drugs?

I respect the opinion and all but the only thing rap has going for it that makes it unique is the actual rapping. The music is pretty blah IMO. However that's not to say I don't enjoy what little I listen to and like.

To me the greatest genre in music is the blues, this genre basically birthed Rock and Roll, RnB, country, and even some elements of pop! Then you have to think about the offshoots of the Blues like classic jazz music which birthed big band, be bop, soul, fusion etc etc.

Basically the Blues is the foundation for all music that ever came out in the last 80 years.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I agree with STO. Blues is by far the best genre of music.

[skydog71]

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Louis Armstrong was the greatest musical talent ever recorded.

When David Bowie dies in 20 years, his popularity will skyrocket, and he'll go from being underrated to vastly overrated.

Elton John was better than Billy Joel.

Paul McCartney was better than John Lennon.

The Beatles are still, even today, underrated.

Elvis was a closet homosexual.

Alice In Chains was the best band of the grunge period.

Eazy E was the best rapper.

Marvin Gaye was the best R&B vocalist.

James Jamerson is still underrated.

It's not the quality of the music that has declined over the years, it's the quality of the listener.

The Who are overrated.

Rock fans everywhere will breathe a sigh of relief when the Rolling Stones call it quits.

[jmood88]

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Louis Armstrong was the greatest musical talent ever recorded.

When David Bowie dies in 20 years, his popularity will skyrocket, and he'll go from being underrated to vastly overrated.

Elton John was better than Billy Joel.

Paul McCartney was better than John Lennon.

The Beatles are still, even today, underrated.

Elvis was a closet homosexual.

Alice In Chains was the best band of the grunge period.

Eazy E was the best rapper.

Marvin Gaye was the best R&B vocalist.

James Jamerson is still underrated.

It's not the quality of the music that has declined over the years, it's the quality of the listener.

The Who are overrated.

Rock fans everywhere will breathe a sigh of relief when the Rolling Stones call it quits.

I actually agree with some stuff that you said but the one thing that I completely disagree with is eazy e being the best rapper. He didn't even write his own stuff, ice cube did.

[Dice]

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Eazy E was the best rapper.

Ice Cube, MC Ren and Dr.Dre wrote his rhymes when he was with NWA. So I couldn't put him in that category.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Alice In Chains was the best band of the grunge period.

It's not the quality of the music that has declined over the years, it's the quality of the listener.

Rock fans everywhere will breathe a sigh of relief when the Rolling Stones call it quits.

Why?

[SPTO]

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Louis Armstrong was the greatest musical talent ever recorded.

I wouldn't go that far. He was very good and a lot of his songs are still very entertaining to this day.

When David Bowie dies in 20 years, his popularity will skyrocket, and he'll go from being underrated to vastly overrated.

This happens with virtually every famous artist who has died so it's not that surprising to see that happen

Elton John was better than Billy Joel.

I wouldn't say better, Elton John's 70s output was on the level with Billy Joel's stuff however I think Joel matured better then John did at least musically.

Paul McCartney was better than John Lennon.

Wow I really disagree with this. Paul McCartney may be a bit better in terms of constructing his music and putting it out there but Lennon had more oomph to his music. Lennon explored what he could do with the medium far more then McCartney and that's basically want makes him sound a bit more rougher then McCartney.

The Beatles are still, even today, underrated.

Let's make a qualifier here, The Beatles are underrated by the masses. Most musically inclined people recognize the greatness and achievement of the Beatles.

Elvis was a closet homosexual.

Proof? Actually i've heard that Elvis had an incestous relationship with his mother. He even slept in the same bed as her up til he was 14 years old!

Marvin Gaye was the best R&B vocalist.

Agreed totally, I think I stated early on in this thread why I feel this way. I'll just add this tho, I think he was the single greatest artist at Motown records. The man was making risks right up to the weekend he died. He was set to record an album co-written and produced by Barry White (just imagine the sexual possibilities with THAT record!) and one of the songs was a very personal and heartfelt pouring out of frustration in "sanctifed vagina" (I cleaned it up so others would know the title)

James Jamerson is still underrated.

Agreed again, Jamerson was one of the most uniquely gifted bassists the music industry ever saw. He was so drunk and out of it when recording on the WHAT'S GOING ON sessions that he did his part laying on the floor in the studio, to this day whoever tries to cover the song can't get the exact same sound that jamerson produced. It was a shame that he died because of his demons.

It's not the quality of the music that has declined over the years, it's the quality of the listener.

Care to elaborate? I think I know what you mean tho as it's a supply and demand business and also one that emphasises youth over maturity. Basically whenever a legendary singer releases an album it gets ignored for the most part because teens want to hear the "hip" artists.

[Nivek]

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Wow I really disagree with this. Paul McCartney may be a bit better in terms of constructing his music and putting it out there but Lennon had more oomph to his music. Lennon explored what he could do with the medium far more then McCartney and that's basically want makes him sound a bit more rougher then McCartney.

I agree, but I think Lennon only explored other terrain becasue he couldn't compete with McCartney's song writting. I've read in a few Beatles articles that ever since Paul recorded "Yesterday", Lennon was madly jelous he couldn't create anything to match it. Lennon wanted to scrape "You've got to hide your love away" off of the Help! album because he wanted to tweak it to just top "Yesterday." Truth is, I think McCartney made John Lennon a better artist. However, comparing Lennon and McCartney in most song writting aspects is like day and night. Listen to any beatles love song; McCartney's song writting is almost always optimistic, while Lennon was more of a pessimist. Either way, they both were made for each other and the McCartney/Lennon Song Catalog will never be matched...ever.

[skydog71]

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The thread title was stuff that "many would disagree with," so I felt liberated to just let it all out.

I'll touch on a couple things real quick though.

Ice Cube, MC Ren and Dr.Dre wrote his rhymes when he was with NWA. So I couldn't put him in that category.

Did not realize this. I guess I'd just have to call Easy my "favorite"... you can't really be the best if you aren't writing your own material.

I wouldn't go that far. He was very good and a lot of his songs are still very entertaining to this day.

The thing with Louis Armstrong is he could play one note which would knock the audience out. He may have never had the chops of someone like Charlie Parker or Charles Mingus... but if you only had room for 4 notes, Armstrong would give you 4 and would make every single one of them count. And it's not really fair to compare Armstrong to later Jazz greats... they were building off what people like Armstrong had already accomplished, taking it to a new level. Armstrong created a lot of his stuff out of thin air, there really wasn't much of a precedent. The thing that really gets me with Armstrong is comparing his 20's "Hot Fives" stuff with his some of his 60's pop hits like "Hello Dolly" and "What a Wonderful World." It's still got the same energy and joyous innocence, like he didn't age a single day. Armstrong's stuff is timeless, and he had that rare ability to appeal to both the critics and the masses. He is to Jazz what Mozart was to Classical. The difference: we don't have any original recordings of Mozart.

I wouldn't say better, Elton John's 70s output was on the level with Billy Joel's stuff however I think Joel matured better then John did at least musically.

This is a great question to ask at parties. Just walk around saying "Elton John or Billy Joel?" Everybody has an opinion, and there's not really a correct answer. I just don't think Joel ever reached the same level as Elton... Joel may have had a more level career, but he never reached as high as Elton. Elton had a ridiculous streak in the early 70's (Yellow Brick Road, Captain Fantastic, Madman Across the Water, etc) where everything he touched seemed to turn to gold. Billy Joel had a lot good albums, but never a "great" album like Yellow Brick Road.

Wow I really disagree with this. Paul McCartney may be a bit better in terms of constructing his music and putting it out there but Lennon had more oomph to his music. Lennon explored what he could do with the medium far more then McCartney and that's basically want makes him sound a bit more rougher then McCartney.

Can't really argue with this one. The Lennon-McCartney relationship was probably more than the sum of its parts, and its difficult to say which was more crucial. I actually prefer the Lennon songs on the Beatles albums over the McCartney ones. But something occured to me while listening to Revolver one day. The Lennon material is clearly stronger than McCartney's on this album... but check out those bass lines! McCartney was a good bass player, but oddly enough, he always does his best bass playing on Lennon's songs. That's the difference I see. Lennon is either right at the forefront or somewhere in the background, while McCartney is always in the thick of it.

Proof? Actually i've heard that Elvis had an incestous relationship with his mother. He even slept in the same bed as her up til he was 14 years old!

Don't have proof, just a hunch.

Agreed totally, I think I stated early on in this thread why I feel this way. I'll just add this tho, I think he was the single greatest artist at Motown records. The man was making risks right up to the weekend he died. He was set to record an album co-written and produced by Barry White (just imagine the sexual possibilities with THAT record!) and one of the songs was a very personal and heartfelt pouring out of frustration in "sanctifed vagina" (I cleaned it up so others would know the title)

Only one thing to say: Right on.

Agreed again, Jamerson was one of the most uniquely gifted bassists the music industry ever saw. He was so drunk and out of it when recording on the WHAT'S GOING ON sessions that he did his part laying on the floor in the studio, to this day whoever tries to cover the song can't get the exact same sound that jamerson produced. It was a shame that he died because of his demons.

This guy just blows my mind. Even with the documentary about the Motown sessions players, most people still don't know his name. I do hope that he one day gets the recognition he deserves.

Care to elaborate? I think I know what you mean tho as it's a supply and demand business and also one that emphasises youth over maturity. Basically whenever a legendary singer releases an album it gets ignored for the most part because teens want to hear the "hip" artists

Yeah man, kind of like that. The market is just supplying the demand. People nowadays want instant gratification, and just don't have the patience to listen to something with more subtlety. I'm even guilty myself, as I sometimes find myself reaching for an 80's pop hit for a quick pick-me-up. We are working too many hours as work, watching too much TV, trying to do too many things at once... who has time to just sit back, relax, and listen? Very sad.

[skydog71]

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Either way, they both were made for each other and the McCartney/Lennon Song Catalog will never be matched...ever.

Couldn't agree more.