Your opinions in Music that many would disagree with

[SPTO]

Re: Your opinions in Music that many would disagree with

I just want to clarify my stance:

I don't hate rap/hip hop. I just think it's hated on so much because it has supplanted rock as "the devil's music". I do think that there is a lot of wrong messages in mainstream rap but i'm sure the underground stuff is a little more substantial tho.

[ehh]

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Every genre has it's mainstream representatives, and 50 Cent and Eminem, for better or worse, are probably two of the biggest rap artists out there now and are probably decent representatives of mainstream rap. Everybody who doesn't like rap hasn't heard the underground stuff you enjoy, just like people who don't like rock usually only base that opinion off of the stuff they hear on the radio.

I just think it is a little much to expect people to do their homework into a genre before making a decision on whether or not they like the genre. If you don't like the rap you hear on the radio how can you expect people to look into it further? Just like if someone isn't a rock fan based on hearing Nickleback, I can't blame them for not looking deeper into the genre.

Yes, people are ignorant, but you can only expect people to make judgements on the stuff that is being fed to them through the radio and TV. Granted, coming on here and tearing apart the genre is much mroe ignorant than most, but most people who don't like rap probably share a lot of the same views as that guy.

I agree with you a 100%, but he shouldn't go around passing judgment on the entire genre of hip-hop based on what he hears from Eminem and 50 Cent. It's fine if he says, "I don't like rap, rap sucks." But don't say "All of rap is about drugs and women," because that's a narrowminded statement and it's not true. That's why I said I don't go around ripping rock or the blues, because I'm not well educated on the genre. I don't scream that all of rock sucks because I think the Backstreet Boys suck.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you should keep your mouth shut. It bothers me that he's saying ALL of hip-hop is just about money/women/drugs/guns because that's a completely false statement. He has absolutely no basis for these comments and has nothing to back them up either.

[SPTO]

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I don't scream that all of rock sucks because I think the Backstreet Boys suck.

Backstreet Boys is considered rock?

[Brandwin]

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^ - to Ehh's post...

[ehh]

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Backstreet Boys is considered rock?

LOL, that's how NOT into rock I am, or any mainstream genre for that matter. I couldn't even think of a current mainstream rock/pop band so I went w. the boyband popstars.


I know BSB aren't in the rock genre, I guess Creed or Nickleback would be better choices, hehe.

[ehh]

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And since when does slapping hoes mean 'chicks I'm trying to hit'? Maybe you should actually engage in sexual relations before making comments about it.

LMAO!!! Owned!!!

[jmood88]

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So you take one or two artists from a genre and that makes it true?

Look at the lyrics by 90% of rap/hip hop artist and that's what's it talking about. You're kidding yourself if you don't believe that.

And no, I'm not just talking about the mainstream rap either. I had my *cringes* part of my life where I did listen to rap.

So name someone other than a mainstream artist and tell me what they talk about. You don't know what you're talking about.

[jmood88]

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Yes. Notice how you have to go back to old school Country. I don't think Garth Brooks ever talked about slapping hoes. :y4:

I'll take a few lines from "Shorty On The Lookout" by Little Brother since it's not mainstream...



Umm...yeaaaaah.

Now please tell me where they said anything about "slapping hoes" in what you posted.

[jmood88]

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Chicks I'm trying to hit...

It's funny how if someone disagrees with rap, they're ignorant.

It's no different than you bitching about "emo" music. Does that make you ignorant...not really.

Whatever though, rap is definitely not something worth spending my time over, so I'm done. Continue with other opinions, like the thread is meant for.

Chicks he's trying to hit does not refer to slapping or hitting a woman and if you knew what you were talking about then maybe you would have a point. I've never said anything about emo music because I have never heard it and if anyone does talk about something where they haven't listened to it or listen to one segment then they are ignorant as well.

[jmood88]

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I just want to clarify my stance:

I don't hate rap/hip hop. I just think it's hated on so much because it has supplanted rock as "the devil's music". I do think that there is a lot of wrong messages in mainstream rap but i'm sure the underground stuff is a little more substantial tho.

This is what I have been trying to say. People use to say the exact same things about rock and this has been going on for generations. Rap has just replaced whatever people use to hate.

[Husker_OS]

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To each his own when it comes to music. But because you don't like it, doesn't mean you need to insult it. I never understood people criticizing hip-hip/rap.

[3rdAnswer]

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LOL @ Elicoleman. Give it up dude...you're not going to win this battle. You aren't talking to ignorant rap listerners who you think you can talk down to. Most of the people on this board are pretty intelligent.

As for that song Shorty on the Lookout...I don't see anything wrong with what you posted...even my mom will listen to Little Brother, and she only listens to Jazz and Gospel music. How about...instead of picking out bad things about hip hop, look at some positives, or at least respect the skill that it takes to be so lyrically gifted (not every rapper...of course). Check out these lyrics from Phonte, 1/3 of LB.

Another day to face, I'm share cropping in the paper chase
Take a deep breath and clear my database
It's afternoon I'm talking **** to my alarm clock
Cause I gotta face this world of capitalistic onslaught
Don't stop when I jump in the whip, tryin to get it off
Beltline got me rushin like Barichnakof
Pushin 80 miles per hour to this, call center
Tryin to pick up a check I only see twenty percent a
Until the weekend, it sound crazy when I'm sayin it
But sleep is nice, got me forgettin what day it is
Until my son two days with out speakin, looking for
Reasons to keep my heir from goin off the deep end
I take this **** personally, I'm makin moves
But this treadmill lifestyle ain't workin for me
It's from ya crib to ya lab to ya job to make a profit
And at the days end you still got nothing accomplished
And it's just the way it's goin down, but on the real
I think I need to slow it down and slow it down

And tell me what yoou think...be honest with yourself.

[jmood88]

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So you take one or two artists from a genre and that makes it true?

Look at the lyrics by 90% of rap/hip hop artist and that's what's it talking about. You're kidding yourself if you don't believe that.

And no, I'm not just talking about the mainstream rap either. I had my *cringes* part of my life where I did listen to rap.

Now look at this and tell me that he's talking about "slapping hoes"

Yeah, it's gettin' wild out here
It makes me wonder how a black man could ever raise a child out here
You know the old krumbsnatcha's in this land of decay
So why we killin' for the crumbs when there's so much to stay?
We're no longer suposed to be slaves
I bet Harriet Tubman will be turnin' in her grave
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate

My elders all feel the same there's no bravery
We're suposed to fight for freedom not just the end of slavery
Are we too selfish to even bless the kids with jewels
So our youth don't get played out for fools?
Will they get program how to behave?
Malcolm X must be turnin' in his grave
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate
The time we were great before the self hate (x3)
The time we were great
Wait, we still great, but

I met up with this dread, said "Peace, Respect"
To set respect and not seen that around here yet
Black man kill himself for limited amount of wealth
And them disrespecting women saw him disrespect himself
I agree for what the dread haven't get off of his chest
Bob Marley will be disturbed from his rest
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate

Can't work a dead end 9 to 5 for what
To be another victim of social security cuts?
I gotta cut myself from the chains and run free
Empower myself to be my own authority
People die so I don't have to be a runaway slave
Nat Turner must be turnin' in his grave
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate
The time we were great before the self hate (x3)
The time we were great
Wait, we still great, but

We thought to worship these rappers and athletes and actors
Many who think they better in the walk right passed ya
It's what you do off camera and off the court
That really makes you worthy of the people support
But some brothers get those millions and forget how to behave
Arther Ashe must be turnin' in his grave
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate

We crabs in a barrel, you ain't gettin out until I do first
And that's why the guns burst
Whatever happened to strenght in numbers?
Some of the greatest minds on the planet are among us
But so many start on strugglin' and never get saved
Man, Martin must be turnin' in his grave
Like remind my soul

Of the time we were great before the self hate
The time we were great before the self hate (x3)
The time we were great

Remind my soul
Of the time we were great before the self hate yo
Yeah

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Eh, I'll weigh in on this "hate on hip hop."

I'm not buying into this "rap sucks more than other genre" stuff. There was once a time when I said, "hell yeah, rap sucks man." That was back in middle school, early high school, when *shudders* my music listening was taken up by complete ****: Puddle of Mudd, Nickelback, Hoobastank (maybe not complete ****, but not the best by any means), etc. Of course, the only rap I ever heard was on the radio, which pretty much backed me up on my statement that rapped sucked.

Now, my music taste has evolved, dramatically over the past 3 years. I keep up with mainstream, just to see whats going on, but I don't actively participate in it. With that said, every mainstream genre sucks ***, not just rap. If you're only going to base your argument on 5 artists, all of which are in the mainstream, of course everything is going to sound the same. What doesn't in any mainstream genre? Seriously, I'm not sure why everybody just decides to pick on rap/hip hop all the time. What the hell does mainstream rock sing about all the damn time? Or mainstream country? The same damned things!

Which leads me to my next point. The topics of lyrics have always been the same things: sex, alcohol/drugs, and violence. Whether its stated directly or indirectly in the lyrics, those themes are present in most songs, regardless of time period or genre. The only reason all you "haters" are nagging about rap is because its become a bigger part of America than it used to be, so you're more exposed to the "drugs, guns n hoes." Everybody seems to forget the Puddle of Mudds, Nickelbacks, and Velvet Revolvers in rock and whoever the hell ever is making music in country (don't really keep up with mainstream county since they shunned Cash and Loretta Lynn).

If all you listen to is mainstream. Thats fine, I could care less. But when you start bitching about it, then do some damn work and find some worth while stuff for a change. Damn. Seriously, most of the "top 5" album lists are complete crap, IMO. But whatever, it all comes down to this...

Blues owns all.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Remind My Soul is a sweet song. Its played several times on my "hip hop" Pandora station. Good stuff.