Your opinions in Music that many would disagree with

[CabreraMVP]

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I also noticed a lot pf people (I think there were a few) who hate "guns, hoes, and drugs" rap, but claim to like 90's west coast G Funk rap. That confused the hell out of me! Did anyone else notice that?

The gangster rap from that era though was different. Ice Cube is one of the best storytellers of all time. He was very articulate, a great lyricist. And he lived the stuff he talked about.

But a lot of "guns, hoes, and drugs" rap today isn't done by great lyricists. It's simple lyrics, and it seems a lot of the people just say those things to sell records or to gain respect, they don't live it. (Some of them). But that's the main thing, the lyrics.

Ice Cube, Tupac, etc. did it in a different way. It was great lyrics and real rap. There was no gimmicks. But now people have horrible lyrics, horrible beats, and it's totally different.

Rap was more serious then. Pac, Biggie, Big L, all died over real beefs. Because if you were on top back then, everybody wanted to take you down. But today, everybody has a video. Everybody gets a ton of views. Everybody is doing rap. It's totally different. Beef doesn't even exist in rap anymore. It's a big deal today when somebody takes a shot at another rapper with 1 line in their song. Back when rap was more serious, you had other rappers shooting other rappers, whole songs dedicated to sleeping with somebody's girl, and a whole coast was feuding with a whole coast. Everybody knew if Biggie hopped on a plane headed to LAX, he would never step foot in Brooklyn again. And that's what happened. Rap today is too many little kids having success without any real talent. But that sells. But back in the day, it was grown *** men with real problems.

It was more serious. But today, with the help of the internet, everybody has a video. Everybody is making music. It's not the same anymore.

But opinions people disagree with: Wiz Khalifa, Lil Wayne, etc. being the greatest rappers alive. I hear people say "Oh Wiz and Wayne and Birdman are the best rappers. And Wiz, Wayne, and Birdman are the only 3 rappers they know. It's stupid.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Doesn't matter.

Rap is crap and anybody that listens to it is probably not a smart individual anyway.

































































































/sarcasm

[BlueNGold]

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The gangster rap from that era though was different. Ice Cube is one of the best storytellers of all time. He was very articulate, a great lyricist. And he lived the stuff he talked about.

But a lot of "guns, hoes, and drugs" rap today isn't done by great lyricists. It's simple lyrics, and it seems a lot of the people just say those things to sell records or to gain respect, they don't live it. (Some of them). But that's the main thing, the lyrics.

Ice Cube, Tupac, etc. did it in a different way. It was great lyrics and real rap. There was no gimmicks. But now people have horrible lyrics, horrible beats, and it's totally different.

Rap was more serious then. Pac, Biggie, Big L, all died over real beefs. Because if you were on top back then, everybody wanted to take you down. But today, everybody has a video. Everybody gets a ton of views. Everybody is doing rap. It's totally different. Beef doesn't even exist in rap anymore. It's a big deal today when somebody takes a shot at another rapper with 1 line in their song. Back when rap was more serious, you had other rappers shooting other rappers, whole songs dedicated to sleeping with somebody's girl, and a whole coast was feuding with a whole coast. Everybody knew if Biggie hopped on a plane headed to LAX, he would never step foot in Brooklyn again. And that's what happened. Rap today is too many little kids having success without any real talent. But that sells. But back in the day, it was grown *** men with real problems.

It was more serious. But today, with the help of the internet, everybody has a video. Everybody is making music. It's not the same anymore.

But opinions people disagree with: Wiz Khalifa, Lil Wayne, etc. being the greatest rappers alive. I hear people say "Oh Wiz and Wayne and Birdman are the best rappers. And Wiz, Wayne, and Birdman are the only 3 rappers they know. It's stupid.

Personally I think this specific part is for the best that things didn't stay the same.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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LOL. I was waiting for him to say that he missed those times.

I think rap's "problem" is that it is essentially blowing up the same way rock blew up from the 50s-70s. You have your pioneers and then the next generation to swing things in a bunch of different directions. Now you have the period where it is essentially the most popular genre and that means producers and label execs are crafting their own rappers. A lot of mainstream music is mass-produced, cookie-cutter, paint by numbers dribble - rap is there too.

[sva91]

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1.Miley Cyrus' Party in the USA is an awesome song (im being serious too)

2. Justin Beiber's "Baby" is also good.

3. Sigur Ros are the new Radiohead/Thom Yorke.... maybe better.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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By "new" Radiohead, do you mean current Radiohead?

[CabreraMVP]

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Personally I think this specific part is for the best that things didn't stay the same.

It's probably selfish but I'd rather have a few dead rappers and great music then Lil Wayne and OJ the Juiceman guy running around. This is what young people listen to; society is doomed. Just loooking at this man makes we want to give Nas or Eminem away as a sacrifice, just no more of people looking like this. Please.

[Stroehms]

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NO ONE MAN SHOULD HAVE ALL DAT POWAAA



Nothing on the radio is good. Metallica is terrible.

I take offense to that.

[iLLmatic]

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You can tell from my name that I am all about hip hop so I come with observations that I have noticed in more than 25+ years of listening and watching the growth of hip hop as it tried to make itself go from not respected to one of the most powerful cultures and genres since the birth of rock n roll. But the excessive tattooing from the neck down to the wrists and loud jewelry to me is an even more obvious sign of how bad the talent is today that some of these artist desperately need their exteriors to standout because their talents wont. I'm old enough to remember hearing my parents tell me that they didn't get rap music and how their generation was where the great music died. Now I am them.

I don't knock anyone who can find a way to get their cash, but please stop trying to compare the quality of artist in today's younger generation of hip hop with those of 10+ years ago. The platform for today's hip hop artist compared to those of a decade ago and then some, is much different. I do respect the independent spirit of the Wiz Khalifas, Currensy's and other artists, but the excessive reliance on the weed smoking and loud tats as well as the obvious lack lust rapping skills make it such an apples and oranges type of comparison when comparing this era's hip hop artists to those of back in the mid 90's.

What's sad is these guys aren't all ignorant and stupid when you hear them do interviews, which makes it worse because it truly means they are willing to dumb themselves down just for more fans and another dollar. Where's the integrity at? Where is the dignity? Believe me I get it, and I know in other forms of entertainment, actors and actresses are willing to take some roles where they must dumb themselves down too, but with hip hop being the birthplace of the expression "Keep it Real", I see a whole lot of fake today.

You have artist who scream "F the police" that used to be a part of the police force/sheriffs department and that's overlooked because "he makes some really banging songs". You have artists who are all for the "stop snitching" campaign, that have not only snitched, but the snitching is documented with police reports and court case docket numbers. Keep it real? Please.

Now that's not to say that some aren't legit and real, but for the past few years, I've seen so many that are all too willing to change up there stance on the realness in an attempt to have another chance for the cash grab. Hip hop is the realest genre of music because its the only genre of music that can cost you your life by something you say in 1 verse of a song, which I feel is a negative part of the genre. But it's foundation was not to be about violence and foolishness and now in it's attempt to remain relevant, hip hop has been willing to change its stripes to appeal to the masses. Good business plan. But how far and many times is it willing to change it's stripes before some of those stripes are gone and no longer resembling what they used to stand for?

[The 24th Letter]

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That there is "something wrong" with music at all....

There is more access to a huge variety of music than there has ever been....find your niche, and stop complaining about what every one else is listening to.

That everyones first album wasnt better just because it wasnt their first album...

[Watson]

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my apologies for busting up in here and leaving.

I respect what the Beatles did, no arguing they didn't change music. I am saying I don't like many of their songs. Everybody treats their songs as if each one is an eargasm. Their individual songs have been "overhyped"

OTOH, THIS is what is wrong with music

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[BlueNGold]

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You can tell from my name that I am all about hip hop so I come with observations that I have noticed in more than 25+ years of listening and watching the growth of hip hop as it tried to make itself go from not respected to one of the most powerful cultures and genres since the birth of rock n roll. But the excessive tattooing from the neck down to the wrists and loud jewelry to me is an even more obvious sign of how bad the talent is today that some of these artist desperately need their exteriors to standout because their talents wont. I'm old enough to remember hearing my parents tell me that they didn't get rap music and how their generation was where the great music died. Now I am them.

I don't knock anyone who can find a way to get their cash, but please stop trying to compare the quality of artist in today's younger generation of hip hop with those of 10+ years ago. The platform for today's hip hop artist compared to those of a decade ago and then some, is much different. I do respect the independent spirit of the Wiz Khalifas, Currensy's and other artists, but the excessive reliance on the weed smoking and loud tats as well as the obvious lack lust rapping skills make it such an apples and oranges type of comparison when comparing this era's hip hop artists to those of back in the mid 90's.

What's sad is these guys aren't all ignorant and stupid when you hear them do interviews, which makes it worse because it truly means they are willing to dumb themselves down just for more fans and another dollar. Where's the integrity at? Where is the dignity? Believe me I get it, and I know in other forms of entertainment, actors and actresses are willing to take some roles where they must dumb themselves down too, but with hip hop being the birthplace of the expression "Keep it Real", I see a whole lot of fake today.

You have artist who scream "F the police" that used to be a part of the police force/sheriffs department and that's overlooked because "he makes some really banging songs". You have artists who are all for the "stop snitching" campaign, that have not only snitched, but the snitching is documented with police reports and court case docket numbers. Keep it real? Please.

Now that's not to say that some aren't legit and real, but for the past few years, I've seen so many that are all too willing to change up there stance on the realness in an attempt to have another chance for the cash grab. Hip hop is the realest genre of music because its the only genre of music that can cost you your life by something you say in 1 verse of a song, which I feel is a negative part of the genre. But it's foundation was not to be about violence and foolishness and now in it's attempt to remain relevant, hip hop has been willing to change its stripes to appeal to the masses. Good business plan. But how far and many times is it willing to change it's stripes before some of those stripes are gone and no longer resembling what they used to stand for?

That there is "something wrong" with music at all....

There is more access to a huge variety of music than there has ever been....find your niche, and stop complaining about what every one else is listening to.

That everyones first album wasnt better just because it wasnt their first album...

These are 2 of the best posts in this thread. Easily.

First off, I agree with iLLmatic for the most part. There are artists with dumbed down lyrics and there are terrible and fake artists, BUT I'm not a fan of people acting like none of that existed in the past, because it did.

I also don't like when it's said that everything was better just because it was "back then". Yes there were classic songs/albums in the past, but there's also been plenty of classic songs/albums now.

Agreed with 24th. People that constantly bitch and moan about terrible music and how it's all they hear or something like that gets really annoying fast. Nowadays there is no excuse for that, because everyone can choose what they listen to. If you don't like what you're hearing, don't listen to it and find something you do like. Simple as that.

[iLLmatic]

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These are 2 of the best posts in this thread. Easily.

First off, I agree with iLLmatic for the most part. There are artists with dumbed down lyrics and there are terrible and fake artists, BUT I'm not a fan of people acting like none of that existed in the past, because it did.

I also don't like when it's said that everything was better just because it was "back then". Yes there were classic songs/albums in the past, but there's also been plenty of classic songs/albums now.

BnG

I couldn't with a straight face say that some of this stuff didn't exist in the past and yes there was a good amount of wack back then too so your on point with that. I think the old saying, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" is what has happened to a good portion of hip hop and I think the only difference is that at one time, the genre policed itself a lot more closely in order to protect the legitimacy of the genre, as opposed to a lot of the fraternizing of artists who should be in a position to keep a lot of the foolery at a minimum, yet they too are looking at the business angle and getting in bed with the type of artists that when some of these artist were younger themselves, they would never collaborate with out of fear of being labeled or lumped together with them as a wack MC.

For instance take someone like 50 Cent, he is someone who is in his mid 30's and remembers enough hip hop history to know that an artist like himself who grew up at a time where lyrics and skills were the only way you got respect in the 90's, would never be seen co-signing or even politicking with with the likes of a Souljah Boy or anyone like that. And he is just one example of a good 5-6 artists that were from the skills driven era that have flip flopped and changed there opinion. And it's not like Souljah Boy is some bad kid, but dude is the polar opposite of what hip hop skills and lyricism are about. He revels in his ability to create a song in 5 minutes and sadly, it sounds like it. Unfortunately, the younger demographic buy it, and his "legacy" grows and grows. Hammer was ripped by everyone for the gimmicks and dancing around he did, but today, he'd fit right in. He was just a little before his time.

The "can't beat em, join em" theory has taken over for a lot of artists and to me, I think it has been that mindset that has caused such a division between the younger and older generations of hip hop. For those who remember how hard it was to get video shows, record labels, sponsors, etc. to give you the respect and to take hip hop for more than just "black folks jiving with each other", I see a lot of personalities who are more concerned with getting their "chips" and can care less about what it took for it to be possible for these young cats to get the money they do. They don't remember nor care about the time when the Grammy's wouldn't show any rap related awards or performances. They don't remember how "Rock Box" from Run DMC was the only rap video on MTV and only got played on MTV because they could pass it off as a rock song because of the lead guitar in it. And I don't want to turn this into another "When I was a kid I had to walk 45 miles to the bus stop" type of story because I like some of the artists out now too, but the future of hip hop is leading down a very interesting road IMO.

[BlueNGold]

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^ There's really nothing I can disagree with in that post. Solid, solid stuff man. Agreed with all of it.

[SuperBowlNachos]

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I think the Beatles are overrated

+1

They were just the original boy band and appealed to a teeny bopper crowd because they were young, good looking and anti-war.

As far as country goes, acoustic country is amazing but I can't stand the stuff that's made at a studio. It all sounds the same and that sound is crappy.

That is because the only stuff you have heard is out of Nashville.

Nashville country is like me saying I listened to Soulja Boy and hate rap because of it now. Most artist write only a portion of their songs just so they have some name credit. It's turned into pop music with a country accent singing it. Most songs from there don't even use a fiddle or steel guitar, which is a staple of real country music.

I can think of 4 things that are "everything that's wrong with music", and she's nowhere near the list.

-Justin Bieber
-Country music
-Screamo music
-Soulja Boy (although Pretty Boy Swag is a good song)

Bieber has talent. May be annoying, but he can sing and dance. I don't see how what he does is anything that is wrong with music. He doesn't lip sync and plays music that appeals to a target crowd.

Read above for country music.

Point is, I'm not even sure Kesha even writes her own songs (if she does, credit for that), and she sure as hell can't sing em on her own (or in many cases, speak em?) given how much she relies on the computer to autotune her voice. Putting her directly next to her modern peer in Lady Gaga, she pales in comparison with regard to talent level and quality of music, IMO.

She actually got her start by songwriting and writes most of what she sings. She makes music with a catchy beat that get played at dance clubs.

I was reading her wikipedia, this made me LOL

While interviewing Kesha, Bill Werde from Billboard asked her about her party girl image, Kesha responded saying, "If you mean 'party girl' like, at a club with a short skirt on with no underwear, then no. I've gotten drunk before but never gotten a DUI. I don't go to clubs. I try not to let my vagina hang out. I don't do drugs, but I think I'm a walking good time and I talk kind of funny, so people think I'm messed up all the time. I'm not."