Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games & more discussion...

**countryboy** · 02-03-2006, 08:08 PM

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I believe that the Sony press conference is Monday (Feb. 6th) so hopefully we'll get some info out of that.

**countryboy** · 02-03-2006, 08:13 PM

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I almost forgot, my local EB games is expecting to take pre-orders on the PS3 starting next week because of the Sony conference.

**countryboy** · 02-03-2006, 08:27 PM

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Here is an interesting article from a PS3 site:

http://www.ps3land.com/news/article239.php

"Gamestop and EBGames have started preordering video games for the coming PS3 console. Both retailers are preordering for $59.99 and have a shipping date of October 1st 2006 except for the long awaited Metal Gear Solid 4 who has a date of December 1st 2006."

**Ice Cream Truck** · 02-03-2006, 09:01 PM

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Sounds cool.

I don't see any info coming out on the 6th (but who knows) but I'm positive we'll get something this month. So no worries.

**countryboy** · 02-04-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Ice Cream Truck

Sounds cool.

I don't see any info coming out on the 6th (but who knows) but I'm positive we'll get something this month. So no worries.

I am hoping they give some type of new info

**ps2king** · 02-04-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Ice Cream Truck

Sounds cool.

I don't see any info coming out on the 6th (but who knows) but I'm positive we'll get something this month. So no worries.

Feb 27th according to it's website.

http://www.destinationplaystation.com/main.asp?section=agenda

Alot of information about the PS3 will be revealed this month to retailers and developer's, weather or not that info makes its way to the public is another story.

**APOC** · 02-04-2006, 12:11 PM

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PLAYSTATION 3 FAQ: UPDATED 2/04/06

The PlayStation 3 (PS3) (Japanese: プレイステーション3) is Sony's Seventh generation era video game console in the market-leading PlayStation series. The PlayStation 3 is slated for release this year. Specifically, Sony representatives have informed video game store clerks to expect a North American shipment in Summer 2006, more narrowly defined as "somewhere between June and September." It is the successor to the PlayStation 2 and will mainly compete against the Nintendo Revolution and Xbox 360. Sony has announced that the PS3 will be backward compatible with earlier PS1 and PS2 games. At the moment, little more is known in public about the PS3 apart from its hardware specifications and reports that it will be based on open APIs for game development.

History

The PS3 was officially unveiled on May 16, 2005 by Sony during the E3 conference, where the console was first shown to the public. A functional version of the console was not at E3 or the Tokyo Game Show in September 2005, although some demonstrations were held on devkits and videos of soon-to-be released games created to run on systems with the same specs as the PS3 were presented, such as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Killzone 3.

Cost and release date

The system's retail price is not known. Sony Computer Entertainment president and "father of the PlayStation" Ken Kutaragi points out "It'll be expensive" and "I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households. I think everyone can still buy it if they wanted to," said Kutaragi to a mostly Japanese crowd. "But we're aiming for consumers throughout the world. So we're going to have to do our best [in containing the price]". In contrast Kazuo Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America, says the PS3 will not be expensive and that it will be competitively priced against the Xbox 360.

In the same magazine, Ken Kutaragi was interviewed, and expressed little concern over the PS3's possibly high launch price, believing that customers would be willing to pay extra for a superior product, as they had in the past for the original PlayStation (¥39,800 vs. 12,500 for the Super Famicom).

Sony office press releases indicate a 2006 launch. Sony Blu-Ray standalone players are to be released early summer. It is likely that standalone players will be released prior to PS3. An Inquirer article details internal Sony development: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28879

Manufacturing costs

Merrill Lynch Japan estimates the PS3 manufacturing costs at 54,000 yen (U.S. $494) to make, not including labor, and they expect Sony to sell the Playstation 3 for less than its manufacturing cost. This means that buyers should be able to purchase a PlayStation 3 at a lower price than its actual manufacturing cost. Although manufacturing costs for Blu-Ray and the cell are unknown, it is safe to say like most new systems, they will lose money from the first year. The current nature of pricing in the video game industry is to sell the hardware at a loss, at least initially, and then recoup the losses from game sales and developer licensing.

Hardware specifications

A simple comparison of the system architectures appears to indicate that the floating point capability of the PS3 is estimated to be greater than that of the Xbox 360. This comparison is based on the theoretical combined floating point capacity of the Cell microprocessor and the RSX GPU in the PS3 compared to the combined capacity of the Xenon CPU and Xenos GPU in the Xbox 360. The amount of completely programmable floating point capacity afforded by the Cell microprocessor is higher than the Xbox 360's CPU, while the floating-point performance of the two systems' GPUs, which are designed specifically for graphics rendering tasks, are somewhat closer to parity. These comparisons are based on estimates of theoretical maximum performance. Real-world performance for both systems will naturally be less, and the specifications of the PS3 may undergo major changes before the system is launched. Please see the section entitled overall floating-point capability for more details on this.

According to a press release by Sony at the May 16, 2005 E3 Conference, the specifications of the PlayStation 3 are as follows.

Central processing unit

3.2 GHz Cell processor with 8 Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). Only 7, however, are active. The 8th SPE is there for redundancy: if one of the other 7 are defective the 8th SPE will activate and stand in for the defective part.

Graphics processing unit

Custom "RSX" or "Reality Synthesizer" design co-developed by NVIDIA and Sony:

Clocked at 550 MHz

1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)

Full high definition output (up to 1080p) x 2 channels

Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

136 shader operations per clock

74.8 billion shader operations per second (100 billion with CPU)

33 billion dot products per second (51 billion dot products with CPU)

128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging

NVidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX will be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined. Nvidia has stated that the RSX will have a lot in common with the G70 architecture used in NVidia's GeForce 7 Series GPUs which were introduced in June of 2005. Since the G70 is also capable of carrying out 136 shader operations per clock, the RSX is expected to feature the same number of parallel pixel and vertex shader pipelines as the G70 (NVidia's top-of-the-line GeForce 7800 GTX 512 currently contains 24 pixel and 8 vertex pipelines), and clocked similarly to Nvidia's highest end PC GPU based on G70 (with speculation that the RSX chip will be reworked using the new G71 architecture topping 650-700 MHz) (again, the 7800 GTX 512 is clocked at 550 MHz, which is equivalent to the 550 MHz announced for the RSX). This places the clockspeed for both the 7800 GTX 512 and the RSX at approximately 28% faster than the 256 MB 7800 GTX. Clockspeed does not however indicate the performance of the GPU as ATI X1800 is also 20% faster than Nvidia 7800 but has similiar game performance. An Nvidia spokesperson was quoted in "Playstation Magazine" that the RSX shares a lot of inner workings with Nvidia 7800 which is based on G70 architecture. Nvidia 7800 GTX 512 MB was released a couple of months after this statement so it's believed to be a comparison between the RSX and the 7800 GTX 256 MB not the 7800 GTX 512 MB which is 30% faster.

Memory

256 MB Rambus XDR DRAM clocked at CPU die speed (3.2 GHz)

256 MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 700 MHz

Theoretical system bandwidth

25.6 GB/s GPU to XDR DRAM: 64 bits × 3.2 GHz

22.4 GB/s GPU to GDDR-3 VRAM: 128 bits × 700 MHz × 2 accesses per clock cycle (one per edge)

35 GB/s GPU to CPU (Aggregated 20 GB/s (write), 15 GB/s (read))

5 GB/s System Bus (Aggregated 2.5 GB/s upstream and downstream)

204.8 GB/s Cell EIB

76.8 GB/s Cell FlexIO Bus (44.8 GB/s outbound, 32 GB/s inbound)

Since the RSX is connected to the XDR DRAM and GDDR3 RAM similar to a Turbo Cached GPU it can access both memory locations at the exact same time. This gives the RSX an effective 48GB/s when sending data to/from GPU and RAM.

Overall floating-point capability

Sony comparison of PS3 performance in FLOPS with Xbox 360.In a slide show at their E3 conference, Sony presented the "CPU floating point capability" of the PlayStation 3's Cell CPU, and compared it to other CPUs. The presentation shows that one PS3 Cell CPU alone is capable of 218 GFLOPS, compared to the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU's 115 GFLOPS. In their official press release, the same statistic regarding the PS3 as a whole was reported to be over 2.1 TFLOPS. The figures are likely rounded estimations. It was unclear how these numbers were exactly calculated, possibly based on addition of the floating point capabilities of the processing units in the Cell CPU and those of the RSX GPU. The performance statistics given for the PS3 and XBox 360 in Sony's presentation were based on the theoretical maximum performance of the systems. Inevitably, real-world performance for both systems will be lower. Additionally, programmers may find it difficult, initially, to optimize their game engines to make the best use of the highly parallel architectures of both systems, further reducing real-world performance.

According to an in-depth report compiled by IBM, the theoretical peak performance of a single SPE is 25.6 GFLOPS. The seven SPEs in the PS3, in addition to the VMX unit in the PPE, would yield a total combined single-precision floating point performance of 218 GFLOPS (the same figure quoted by Sony). It should be noted that this figure is an estimate based on ideal, 100% efficient operation of the processor. The floating-point capacity of the PS3 will significantly exceed that of the XBox 360, although it should be noted that Microsoft's console, due to its 3 symmetric fully featured processor cores (which are very similar to the Cell's PPE), may fare better on dynamically branching code, like that used for artificial intelligence.

It should also be noted that floating-point performance is a single-dimensional metric for comparing computers, and that many other considerations (including integer performance, memory size and bandwidth, etc.) determine the "overall" performance of a computer system. Floating point calculations are very important for graphics, multimedia, and game physics, but considerably less important for other tasks like artificial intelligence.

Finally, whether the PS3's advantage in floating-point performance will be readily apparent in games depends entirely on whether developers are able to effectively make use of the system's unique architecture.

Audio/video output

Supported screen sizes: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

Two HDMI (Type A) outputs (Dual-screen HD outputs)

S/PDIF optical output for digital audio

Multiple analog outputs (Composite, S-Video, Component video)

Sound

Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, LPCM (DSP functionality handled by the Cell processor)

Storage

Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE, BD-RW.

DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW

CD: PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer) SACD HD

Detachable 2.5" hard drive with Linux pre-installed. Optional but not required for most games.

Memory Stick standard/Duo and standard/mini slots

CompactFlash Type I and II slot

SD/MMC slot

Physical dimensions

32 cm (L) x 24 cm (W) x 8 cm (H)[9]

Communications

Three Gigabit Ethernet ports (Sony has indicated that because of cost reduction there is a possibility that the PlayStation 3 may act only as an accessory interface and hub and perhaps not as a router, as originally planned.)

IEEE 802.11g Wi-Fi

Bluetooth 2.0

USB 2.0 (four front and two rear ports)

Controller

SCEI's press release indicates that controller connectivity to the PlayStation 3 can be provided via:

802.11g Wi-Fi. Integrated for mesh networking and connectivity with the PlayStation Portable

TCP/IP networking (wired ethernet)

USB 2.0 (wired)

Bluetooth 2.0 (up to 7 controllers)

The design of the controller has been likened to a boomerang or a banana by many observers (or even less flattering likenesses). However, some suggest that the controller, while a little un-traditional in contrast to the DualShock and DualShock 2 controllers, might provide adequate comfort for extended hours of play. According to the Japanese video game publication Famitsu, Sony Computer Entertainment chief technical officer Masayuki Chatani said that the controller design is a "prototype, so there could be some small adjustments.

In an interview with Edge, SCEE's Chris Deering echoed these statements by describing the E3 controller as "just a design study". Some people pointed that the controller bears a similar resemblance to the old Alps Interactive 3rd party controller which was originally made for the PlayStation.

Unconfirmed reports suggest that the PS3 may in fact support the older DualShock 2 controllers, however, this is thought to be true due to the PlayStation 3 striving to attain backwards compatibility. The number of ports to support such backward compatibility would most likely be limited to one, although this is also an unconfirmed rumour. The PS3's specifications, and E3 display units, don't support DualShock controller ports. Though Sony itself had previously admitted at this past E3 that the controller design for their PlayStation 3 console was not finalized, GameSpot believes any purported changes will not be substantial. Their downplays concerning a rumor suggesting Sony would unveil a revamped PS3 controller at the Consumer Electronics Show in January 2006 were sound, as the controller was not shown in any form during the event.

Also possibly complicating the controller design is Sony's ongoing legal battle with Immersion Corporation of San Jose. In March 2005, Sony and Microsoft were sued by force-feedback company Immersion for patent infringement for the use of vibration functions in their controllers. While Microsoft settled out of court, Sony continued to defend the case. Sony lost, and has been required to pay considerable royalties to Immersion and suspend the sale of the controllers, including all PlayStation and PlayStation 2 console packages containing them. Sony has appealed this decision and will be able to sell its products while the case is under appeal.

Miscellaneous

The ability for the PlayStation Portable to connect to the PlayStation 3 as a video-enabled controller.

Two simultaneous High-definition television streams for use on a title screen for a HD Blu-ray Movie.

High-definition IP video conferencing.

EyeToy interactive reality game.

EyeToy voice command recognition.

EyeToy virtual object manipulation.

Digital photograph display (JPEG).

MP3 and ATRAC download and playback.

Simultaneous World Wide Web access and gameplay.

Hub/Home Ethernet Gaming Network.

Parental Controls

The Ability to Have 7 Controllers at Once.

Interface

According to DevStation Conference, the PS3 will use the Cross Media Bar already used in the PlayStation Portable and PSX devices.

Games in development

As of October 2005, there are already over 150 PS3 games announced by multiple developers and publishers, like SCEA, Electronic Arts, Konami, Namco, Capcom, Square Enix and many others. The actual number in development, though undeniably fewer, should still be very high.

Most developers have already announced games for the PS3. Some anticipated ones include Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, Shin Megami Tensei, Armored Core 4 , Unreal Tournament 2007 and Tekken 6. In the E3 2005 Press Conference, Sony showed some pre-rendered and some real-time videos of games in development with the codenames Eyedentify, Vision Gran Turismo and MotorStorm. Also shown at E3 was a video of Final Fantasy VII 's opening sequence remade in PlayStation 3 graphics, at the time recent to the show, Square Enix stated no plans for a remake. Square Enix is however listed for a Final Fantasy game along with 70 other Japanese developers during TGS 2005. Since they aren't working on a remake then this will most likely be Final Fantasy XIII. Controversial games developers Rockstar North have also hinted that they are planning the provisionally named Grand Theft Auto 4, primarily for the PS3. One of the most, if not the most anticipated PS3 game up to this point is Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, which had its first trailer shown at the Tokyo Game Show 2005 event. At this time, only three games have been mentioned as PS3 launch titles: Lair from Factor 5, Warhawk from Incognito Entertainment, and Unreal Tournament 2007 from Epic Games. In the November issue of PSM Magazine, SCEA Chief Operating Officer Jack Tretton mentioned both Lair and Warhawk as launch titles, although Sony would not expand further on his comments. In the January issue of the same publication, it was stated that Epic Games is working hard to get Unreal Tournament 2007 ready for the proposed launch in Spring 2006. However, Epic stated in response that they are working to release the PC version first and that the PS3 version has no priority for release over the PC version.

Online services

Sony has stated that the online service for the PlayStation 3 will use the same non-unified architecture as that of the PlayStation 2. In an issue of the Official PlayStation Magazine, Sony denied rumors that it would be implementing a centralized online service similar to Microsoft’s Xbox Live. Instead, online services for PS3 games will be decentralized and left up to individual game publishers.

While this will give games publishers greater freedom in terms of what they are able to offer online, some say it may make it more difficult for Sony to control the quality of the online experience. It also means that there will be different user interfaces for each game depending on the developer.

However, the March 2006 issue of PSM magazine reports that Sony intends to launch an online service with the PS3 designed to compete with Microsoft's Xbox Live.

Sony has not publicly disclosed their final plans for the PlayStation 3 online experience. The above should be regarded as speculative commentary, the basis of which is (reasonably well informed) discussion in the gaming press. It may well be the case that the PSP provides some sort of insight into exactly what sort of online experience Sony will be offering in 2006.

Region coding

PlayStation 3 games are unlikely to be region coded, according to Sony’s Australian managing director, Michael Ephraim.

Unlike its predecessors, the PlayStation and the PlayStation 2, the PS3 is tipped to allow gaming and movie playback from downloads or discs bought in any part of the world, rather than being limited to playing discs only from a specific region. The PS3’s support for HDTV standards was cited as one of the key reasons the company has stopped the practice of region coding.

According to Ephraim, “If you look at the fact that [the PlayStation 3] will support high-definition TV, which will be a global standard, there’s a good likelihood that it will be global region, as for example we’ve done with the PSP [PlayStation Portable].”

Sony's decision to stop region coding means consumers will be able to purchase PS3 games from anywhere in the world, which may turn out to be significantly cheaper than purchasing them exclusively from their home territory, or importing the system from Japan on launch.

Blu-Ray movies played on the PS3 will use a region code. The Blu-Ray region code will be different from DVD region code.

Backward compatibility

Games

The PlayStation 3 will be compatible "on the chip" with PlayStation 2 and PlayStation games, without emulation. It still is not known how Sony has achieved this (although Sony had developed a single-chip PS2 CPU/GPU solution, used in newer revisions of the "slim" PS2). Compatibility with PS2 online games and games designed for the hard drive have not been elaborated upon. In a recent interview Ken Kutaragi stated that backward compatibility will be achieved through a combination of hardware and software.

"Third-party developers sometimes do things that are unimaginable. For example, there are cases where their games run, but not according to the console's specifications. There are times when games pass through our tests, but are written in ways that make us say, 'What in the world is this code?!' We need to support backward compatibility towards those kinds of games as well, so trying to create compatibility by software alone is difficult. There are things that will be required by hardware. However, with the powers of [a machine like] the PS3, some parts can be handled by hardware, and some parts by software."

Peripherals

The PS3 will not be backward-compatible with some of the hardware peripherals of the PS2. For example, memory cards for PlayStation and PlayStation 2 will not work on the PlayStation 3 hardware. Instead it was announced that the PS3 will only use the Sony Memory Stick to save games via MagicGate. This means that the PS3 will not be able to use PS1 and PS2 memory cards; however, this will allow gamers to trade saved games over the Internet more easily. Also, Memory Stick will also be compatible with both PS1 and PS2 games, Unlike PS2's memory card.

*All information/images are directly from wikipedia.com, view more images by clicking on the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation3

**Heelfan71** · 02-04-2006, 12:16 PM

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I wonder if the memory stick you use to save games is the same memory stick that sony uses for everything. That would be good since I have several memory stick pro's and pro duos laying around.

**jmood88** · 02-04-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Heelfan71

I wonder if the memory stick you use to save games is the same memory stick that sony uses for everything. That would be good since I have several memory stick pro's and pro duos laying around.

I doubt it. It would be nice but they'll probably come up with some reason to charge people for another memory card.

**ps2king** · 02-04-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by jmood88

I doubt it. It would be nice but they'll probably come up with some reason to charge people for another memory card.

Why not, the PSP uses it for everything, so wouldn't the PS3? I doubt Sony will lock out those features especially since you can save any and everything onto a PSP memory stick (zip files, text files..just about anything you want)

**Silverstring** · 02-04-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by fishepa

I've never heard of Sony getting into the DVR market. People can already get a proven DVR from Samsung, RCA, etc., with Tivo software on it. I can't imagine people wanting to pay extra for a product that a company has never tried before.

Huh?

http://www.avrev.com/equip/sonydsstivo/

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-274614.html

http://www.avguide.com/video_sources__set-top_boxes/digital_video_recorders/sony/tivo_svr_2000/147.jsp

Sony was one of the FIRST companies to offer DVR functionality in set-top boxes. WITH Tivo software, to boot.