CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Yea when so much is shut down.


Little different when businesses are reopening or just ending work from home, schools are open, etc.



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That's when people need to follow this thing called personal responsibility.

[p_rushing]

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Yup. Not at all surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual infection rate is more like 10% by now. It's good news, especially considering we overestimated hospital/ventilator utilization significantly.

There are also reports that the virus was active for a lot longer than known. The study says it could have been around mutating for a year or so in China.

Some reports are saying it has been in the US longer also than previously thought. That screws all the models up because they based the everyone getting sick at the same time. If most people had little or no symptoms and only a few % end up in the hospital, then it throws the numbers off big time.

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[PeoplesChampGB]

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It will be a long while before we start getting 100% concrete data on this stupid virus. You can thank the Chinese government and President Winnie the Pooh for that.

[roadman]

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And then there is this: embarrassing to say the least.

https://twitter.com/COSProjectWI/status/1251562504054026245

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[PeoplesChampGB]

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And then there is this: embarrassing to say the least.

https://twitter.com/COSProjectWI/status/1251562504054026245

Bingo PC

smh. Sometimes I wish I had Quicksilver's powers to I could run through and slap people across the face while avoiding droplet contact.

[Chip Douglass]

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I don't understand why this virus gets special treatment, unless you are willing to shut down the economy until all deaths from all things are zero.

And that "2" is out of over 15 million.

A two graph answer:

[PeoplesChampGB]

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A two graph answer:

But that's not what he stated. He stated his "red line" was no deaths.

EDIT: Both graphs are bad arguments. That is cumulative death rates. Those graphs can only go up. The graphs you want is day to day cases and deaths. Then you need to break it down by age bracket.

[roadman]

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I just can't hop on the Dr. Phil/Dr. Oz/Dr. Drew bandwagon's. Dr. Drew, to his credit, came out and admitted he was wrong when he initially came out and said, it's just the flu. He said he was looking at the wrong mapping.

Dr. Fauci has stated numerous times you can't compare CV with every day deaths, HIV, or H1N1 or any other virus.

All those everyday death's that Dr. Phil was spouting off are not highly contagious like CV. Big difference, especially with no therapies approved or vaccines, yet.

[dickey1331]

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The state of Alaska is not going to survive this “pandemic”. We already had budget problems but between oil prices and cruise season being canceled it’s going to take years to even remotely recover from this. The assembly here in Juneau are already talking about raising property taxes $200-500 to offset the money lost from cruise ships


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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The state of Alaska is not going to survive this “pandemic”. We already had budget problems but between oil prices and cruise season being canceled it’s going to take years to even remotely recover from this. The assembly here in Juneau are already talking about raising property taxes $200-500 to offset the money lost from cruise ships


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Are you referring to the tourism industry or people in general? I could be wrong, but I thought Alaska had a statewide universal income program.

[countryboy]

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But that's not what he stated. He stated his "red line" was no deaths.

EDIT: Both graphs are bad arguments. That is cumulative death rates. Those graphs can only go up. The graphs you want is day to day cases and deaths. Then you need to break it down by age bracket.

If you're referring to me I never stated my red line was 0 deaths. You said do the math in asking why people under 45 couldn't return to normal life and my response was the numbers didn't equal 0 suggesting that people under 45 aren't immune to this virus.

You then responded to my comment about 2 deaths for children ages 1-4 and you somehow justified that by stating that it was 2 out of 15 million as if that makes 2 baby's dying from this virus perfectly acceptable and that shouldn't keep those under 45 from being able to return to normal life.

You act as if 45 is some magic number and if they go ahead, use common sense, and those over 45 or highly at risk stay home then everything will be ok in the current situation. It won't.

As I said, I'm under 45 and I have it. I'm also the primary caretaker for my Dad who is 66 years old with several of the underlying conditions for not beating the virus. If I was healthy and go out with other under 45 year olds, then I'm susceptible to picking up the virus and then transferring to him. Thankfully he's been tested and is negative and we have family that he can stay with while I'm in isolation.

There is no magic number or age to saying its ok for those to return to normal because those under the age of 45 have to interact in some form or fashion with those over that magical age.

We have a virus that has no vaccine and we have low volume of testing that can quickly give test results.

Nobody is saying let's keep the economy closed until the death rates are zero because that will never be the case even when/if a vaccine is found. What people are saying is that you still have to give the process time to provide a stable enough position so that we can slowly open up as a country and get our economy booming again.

If you open now, even to just 45 year olds and younger, then you are going to do nothing but spike those numbers back up and re-start the pandemic that we are starting to get on the other side of.

[dickey1331]

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Are you referring to the tourism industry or people in general? I could be wrong, but I thought Alaska had a statewide universal income program.

Alaska has the PFD which comes from money the state gets from oil companies. You get it once a year and it’s not a lot of money plus it’s taxable.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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If you're referring to me I never stated my red line was 0 deaths. You said do the math in asking why people under 45 couldn't return to normal life and my response was the numbers didn't equal 0 suggesting that people under 45 aren't immune to this virus.

You then responded to my comment about 2 deaths for children ages 1-4 and you somehow justified that by stating that it was 2 out of 15 million as if that makes 2 baby's dying from this virus perfectly acceptable and that shouldn't keep those under 45 from being able to return to normal life.

You act as if 45 is some magic number and if they go ahead, use common sense, and those over 45 or highly at risk stay home then everything will be ok in the current situation. It won't.

As I said, I'm under 45 and I have it. I'm also the primary caretaker for my Dad who is 66 years old with several of the underlying conditions for not beating the virus. If I was healthy and go out with other under 45 year olds, then I'm susceptible to picking up the virus and then transferring to him. Thankfully he's been tested and is negative and we have family that he can stay with while I'm in isolation.

There is no magic number or age to saying its ok for those to return to normal because those under the age of 45 have to interact in some form or fashion with those over that magical age.

We have a virus that has no vaccine and we have low volume of testing that can quickly give test results.

Nobody is saying let's keep the economy closed until the death rates are zero because that will never be the case even when/if a vaccine is found. What people are saying is that you still have to give the process time to provide a stable enough position so that we can slowly open up as a country and get our economy booming again.

If you open now, even to just 45 year olds and younger, then you are going to do nothing but spike those numbers back up and re-start the pandemic that we are starting to get on the other side of.

Nobody dying from this virus is acceptable on a human level. However, are you willing to lose small businesses (it's a dream that these businesses will just magically open back up once it ends) and millions of jobs because you don't want people going back to work who's death rate is about .7%?

It is a fairytale that the government can just keep printing more and more money to keep these jobs afloat.

EDIT: Your second paragraph made it seem like two deaths from 1-4 were unacceptable. Therefore, your red line would be 0, unless for some weird reason your red line was 1.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Alaska has the PFD which comes from money the state gets from oil companies. You get it once a year and it’s not a lot of money plus it’s taxable.


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Ah, I assume that since oil has been hit hard it's going to make it less that normal then. That sucks.

[KSUowls]

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We're already passed the peak for this virus nationally. So that really doesn't mean anything anymore.

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That is the latest chart by the CDC. Do the math. Tell me why people under the age of 45 can't resume normal life?

Because at age 45 you don't magically stop needed to go the grocery store. You don't magically not have a spouse, or kids in your house who might be younger and being exposed "normally" and then bring it home to you.

The whole idea behind social distancing from the beginning wasn't to keep the 40 year from getting it because he might die. It was because the 40 year old interacts with persons A through Z at work, at home, running errands, and through social gatherings. Then each of those persons each interact with their own versions of A through Z who interact with their own version so A through Z and so on until eventually the higher risk people actually are exposed through no fault of their own.

This is how spring breakers in Florida end up infecting multiple people in vermont, kentucky and new york. The math that public health experts at places like the CDC understand is that the spread is exponential.