***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[jb12780]

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I would personally Bench Cazorla and put Ramsey in the midfield which his is natural position instead of right wing.

Having 2 threats who could stretch teams vertically could solve a few problems.

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[rsnomar05]

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I would personally Bench Cazorla and put Ramsey in the midfield which his is natural position instead of right wing.

Having 2 threats who could stretch teams vertically could solve a few problems.

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But Cazorla was, in my opinion, our MVP last year, and we really started to turn things around once Cazorla was paired with Coq in the midfield. And it's not like we didn't create chances in the Liverpool game, we just didn't bury them. Like Perceptor said, I think Walcott should start at striker. That way, Giroud can come on as a second half sub if the defense starts packing the box, negating Theo's effectiveness.

[Paul21694]

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It's why I've never liked when we bring on Theo when we need a goal late, as that means the other team is just sitting back deep.

I think for the last few years you wouldn't get that from us, we've always seemed a team incapable of sitting back and defending so Walcott would've been a great asset in previous seasons. But we've learned a lot from ourselves recently and we look capable of holding on to a lead or a clean sheet which means we can be VERY dangerous.

[OneDrop]

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I'd really like to not buy a striker and focus on midfield but when he's so high and low he leaves Wenger with almost no choice. Walcott is great against a high line team but not as effective against teams that park the bus.

Striker is more important than DM right now. We've got Coq who has been consistently brilliant, anyone who says otherwise is blinded by nostalgia of the Vieira's and Makalele's of this world.

Ramsey should be benched. Having Ramsey on the right doesn't work. Cazorla and Coq have a good connection, better than Rambo and Coq. Wenger needs to stop dropping other guys just to fit Ramsey in there. Ox on the right, Ozil 10, Sanchez on the left, Cazorla next to Coq.

Finally, Walcott as a striker will not win us anything, it's a cheap alternative to a problem which requires an expensive solution.

[jb12780]

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I also wouldn't mind Cazorla and Coq in the midfield. My concern is having ramsey on the wing. It isn't his position.

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[Perceptor]

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To be fair to Ramsey, he played well against Liverpool and was one of the better players on the pitch. I think it comes down to Giroud and Walcott. Walcott looks like he's finally healthy and should be entering his prime years. Let him give it a go as a starter. If we aren't buying a striker this window Wenger needs to try that. With his pace, he should make it easy for he midfield to find him with killer passes.

We lose the aerial threat Giroud poses but he's so inconsistent right now that he doesn't merit an automatic berth. He's like our Eden Dzeko.

I doubt very much Wenger will do anything else unless we lose this weekend. I do believe we need a striker but I honestly think we won't get anyone. If that's the case, start Walcott, bench Giroud, and hope for the best

[cdawg44]

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Don't sign anyone and its hello 4th again. And pray for a cup run.

It's even more annoying since we were just valued at over £1 billion... No excuse for this stupidity....

[Paul21694]

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Give it a rest we're 3 games into the season.

[OneDrop]

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Indeed Perceptor, Ramsey on the right doesn't work. I think what would work best is a Coq-Wilshere partnership with Sanchez Ozil and Ox infront of them. Wilshere can become a more mobile Xabi Alonso/Pirlo if he really sets his mind to it and stays free of injury. We do need a DM but I don't buy into the 'we need a world class DM' thing right now, simply competition for Coq to keep him on his toes and to have 2 DM's when we're down. Rabiot or Xhaka would be decent enough, that way there'd be money left for a world class striker. The problem I see in Walcott as a striker is that teams will just sit deep and neutralize his best trait, his pace.

Oh well, another summer full of frustration. Life as an Arsenal fan I guess.

[KG]

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But if teams sit deep respecting Theo's pace than creative players like Ozil, Cazorla, Sanchez, and Ramsey should in theory have a ton of space to work with. As an outside looking in I will say that 1) you're over-reacting waaaay too soon. It's been a while since you've had almost all of your players. Finding a way to unlock them with the right formation/combo of players is much easier when you have talent. You just need some patience as we're only 3 games in. 2) You held a 0-0 draw against Liverpool with both of your starting CB's out. That's pretty damn impressive. Citeh couldn't do that right now (I'm not even sure who they're #3 or #4 CBs are/were before Otamendi. We (Chelsea) have been leaking goals like crazy. Man United's CBs are suspect, even with Smalling play way above his talent level right now. 3)I like Santi & Ramsey as #10's over Ozil. I know it's always cool to rag on Ozil but I think Santi & Ramsey give you just as much moving forward (better long range shots too) and MUCH more defensively.

[rsnomar05]

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I don't understand why people think Ramsey just doesn't work on the right. I mean he was great against Liverpool and was the only player to score in that match (if only the linesman hadn't made the unfortunate offside call).

So far this season our problem hasn't been creating chances, but rather it has been finishing them. For example, going back to the Liverpool game, Alexis hitting the post when he should have scored. Against Liverpool we had 19 shots with only 5 on target. That's obviously bad, but I think too many Arsenal fans are overlooking things like Alexis' misses, while at the same time overlooking the fact that Ramsey was our only player to score. Now, I understand that Alexis isn't 100%, but I think some of the people complaining that Ramsey is being played out of position are complaining about a problem that isn't there. Ramsey and the team have created plenty of chances so far. Now we just need to get on the end and finish them. Hopefully by way of a striker signing. But if that doesn't happen, then hopefully Walcott gets a shot up top.

[Perceptor]

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I agree. Ramsey shouldn't be anywhere near a bench. He has had a decent start to the season and is one of our key players. He's not being as selfish looking for goals and is looking to create more than score.

[KG]

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I agree. Ramsey shouldn't be anywhere near a bench. He has had a decent start to the season and is one of our key players. He's not being as selfish looking for goals and is looking to create more than score.

Before his injury last year he was on fire. Or was it the year before?

[RoyceDa59]

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I don't understand why people think Ramsey just doesn't work on the right. I mean he was great against Liverpool and was the only player to score in that match (if only the linesman hadn't made the unfortunate offside call).

So far this season our problem hasn't been creating chances, but rather it has been finishing them. For example, going back to the Liverpool game, Alexis hitting the post when he should have scored. Against Liverpool we had 19 shots with only 5 on target. That's obviously bad, but I think too many Arsenal fans are overlooking things like Alexis' misses, while at the same time overlooking the fact that Ramsey was our only player to score. Now, I understand that Alexis isn't 100%, but I think some of the people complaining that Ramsey is being played out of position are complaining about a problem that isn't there. Ramsey and the team have created plenty of chances so far. Now we just need to get on the end and finish them. Hopefully by way of a striker signing. But if that doesn't happen, then hopefully Walcott gets a shot up top.

I think he plays fine on the right wing but I do feel like it is a waste for him to play there. He is one of the best young midfielders and I think playing him out there really negates what he does best.

[OneDrop]

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But if teams sit deep respecting Theo's pace than creative players like Ozil, Cazorla, Sanchez, and Ramsey should in theory have a ton of space to work with.

No, they won't. They'll just push up the field and negate any space. Walcott is good for quick counters, but quick Arsenal counters have been a myth lately. Walcott or Ox need to be on the right and we need a new striker.

3)I like Santi & Ramsey as #10's over Ozil. I know it's always cool to rag on Ozil but I think Santi & Ramsey give you just as much moving forward (better long range shots too) and MUCH more defensively.

Özil has created far more chances than both of them since he's been here, the problem is they are not getting converted into goals. We've been far better ever since Özil got here. Ramsey is not even good enough in possession to be a number 10. You either play Ramsey as an 8 or you don't play him at all. It's quite obvious back in 13/14 when Ramsey, Walcott and Özil got injured, our title challenge went up in smoke. Wenger needs to drop either Cazorla or Ramsey and right now Ramsey should be dropped as we've had our best moments last year with a Cazorla - Coq partnership.

As for people saying Ramsey works on the right. Take a look at this picture:


How many times do you see that during a game? A lot. Ramsey cuts inside clogging up the middle all the time and our right wing turns into no-mans land. That is the exact reason you can't have Ramsey, Cazorla and Özil in one team. That is why we need a REAL winger on the right, so Özil and Cazorla have people to pass it to. Because right now, all we see is tippy-tappy football with few clear-cut chances. When in possession you should OPEN up the field, not close it down fs. Basic football 101.