Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

I'm "ruining the game" by suggesting that developers might want to be able to: easily measure the entire player base's overall skill level in the game relative to real-world statistics targets; tune their game quickly, efficiently, and with the least amount of redundant effort possible in response to conclusions drawn from those measurements; and finally, bridge the divide between the two discrete factions in the Madden player base to foster a more cohesive online community and thus improve the total online experience in the game for all players? Seriously?

Um, unifying is exactly how you would LOWER the online experience for all players. And what I mean by "ruining it" is you're thinking in terms of efficiency rather than quality; i. e. like a corporate wallet rather than an artist.

Look man, the fact is there is and always will be an uncrossable chasm between tourney style players and sim players. Trying to bridge that gulf might be COST EFFECTIVE, but it would in the end hurt the quality of the game for both sides.

Why? Because the primary concerns for both factions are diametrically opposed to each other. Finding a middle ground merely places both far away from what the other wants. Mathematically speaking, the total distance from an ideal game in your philosophy would be the same total distance from ideal for one group as if you had chosen only catering to one (or more concisely, the sum of the distances between 0 and 1 plus the distance betwee 1 and 2 is the same as the distance between 0 and 2.).

The only way to maximize satisfaction for both factions is to simply allocate more resources to the game so that both types of play can be created.


Because again, due to the fact that the two are diametrically opposed, a middle ground is far away from BOTH conceptions of ideal.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by ForUntoOblivionSoar∞

Look man, the fact is there is and always will be an uncrossable chasm between tourney style players and sim players.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't think that there is an "uncrossable chasm" at all. A difference in thinking, sure, but it's plenty reconcilable. This isn't the dramatic drawing of war lines that some in the sim community apparently want it to be and it never was.

Which, to rope this back to the topic post, is why I personally don't really care either way if the game adds discrete "tournament" and "simulation" settings. If Tiburon adds that option, cool; if they don't, I'm also cool. I already enjoy Madden as it presently exists, so I'll play the game either way. If it were my decision to make, however, then drawing on my experience as a professional game developer I would hesitate to add the option. I'm not convinced that it's the most effective way to develop the game long-term, speaking to the quality of the product from a holistic perspective over its entire life cycle, for reasons I've already stated.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't think that there is an "uncrossable chasm" at all. A difference in thinking, sure, but it's plenty reconcilable. This isn't the dramatic drawing of war lines that some in the sim community apparently want it to be and it never was. Which, to rope this back to the topic post, is why I personally don't really care either way if the game adds discrete "tournament" and "simulation" settings. If Tiburon adds that option, cool; if they don't, I'm also cool. I already enjoy Madden as it presently exists, so I'll play the game either way. If it were my decision to make, however, then drawing on my experience as a professional game developer I would hesitate to add the option. I'm not convinced that it's the most effective way to develop the game long-term, speaking to the quality of the product from a holistic perspective over its entire life cycle, for reasons I've already stated.

The problem is that the "tourney" people will nevwr be okay with a user controlled wr dropping a pass, or a cpu controlled defender blowing a coverage, and things like that. All the things we see on Sunday. How is that something that could possibly be reconciled without a setting that gives the option to disable or enable realistic NFL things of that nature?

Any other compromise will just be a failure to attain one or the other view of game play.

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by NDAlum

It's commonly been reference to but I don't recall seeing an actual OS poll on the matter. Do we need to have two game settings in Madden: SIM and ONLINE *They could obviously be called whatever EA wanted to label them as* To put the difference into simple terms I will define SIM as a mode where things outside of the user's control will happen (bad throws/fumbles/drops/missed blocks/bad routes/FG's much harder) and ONLINE as a mode where none of those examples happen outside of the user's control. There seems to be two very different schools of thought out there and I'm asking OS if it's time to start heavily pushing for a separation of two game mode settings so each type could have their own rendition of the game they want.

Do we need this. I guess we do given that EA has gone away from some of the options and features that used to exist. In one of the NHLs a few years back you used to be able to select which tuner version you wanted to use for your game. It was one of those lesser know but highly effective feature/options that used to exist.

Feel like tuner 1.20 make scoring goals too easy, roll your game back to 1.10 and go nuts. I really think that if EA can't deliver this sim/casual setting or whatever something like this would be a welcome transition piece for me personally.

[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't think that there is an "uncrossable chasm" at all. A difference in thinking, sure, but it's plenty reconcilable. This isn't the dramatic drawing of war lines that some in the sim community apparently want it to be and it never was. Which, to rope this back to the topic post, is why I personally don't really care either way if the game adds discrete "tournament" and "simulation" settings. If Tiburon adds that option, cool; if they don't, I'm also cool. I already enjoy Madden as it presently exists, so I'll play the game either way. If it were my decision to make, however, then drawing on my experience as a professional game developer I would hesitate to add the option. I'm not convinced that it's the most effective way to develop the game long-term, speaking to the quality of the product from a holistic perspective over its entire life cycle, for reasons I've already stated.

Unless you're adding exponentially improved slider tuning/functionality, then you would be relegating many of the simulation players to a gameplay experience that is permanently lacking in so many elements of real life football. Luckily though it seems as if Clint and Rex aren't inclined to be so ruthlessly utilitarian. Hopefully for those of us in the "doodoo happens crowd", they can convince the suits.

[Postman17]

I want Sim also but a lot of ppl on here want a sim mode off line. This is where I disagree. Just as many sim ppl play on line and dont play off line because it just truly boring. If They do that then my days of playing Madden will certainly be done. Now if they can make sim online mode,I am all in but just to have it off line will kill this for me. I dont get why ppl dont play online. I run into more sim games than I run into cheesy players. I just diagree with just sim off line experience I want that experience across the board because I love playing online.

[howboutdat]

So here is what i dont get.Its ok to make an entire separate game and even release it around the same time, but it seems we may be asking " too much" of them to just add separate modes of ways to play Madden? ( based on a few comments)

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-...GSS-05-10aaa0b

"Both games "fulfill very different motivations in what a player is looking for," EA CEO Andrew Wilson says."


Is that not what we are asking for them to create for madden, but instead of making a dif game , just give us an option for another mode of gameplay?


Seems they are ok doing this with shooters , should be willing to do it for the only NFL game we can buy currently.

[adembroski]

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