Is Ultimate Team Ruining Madden (And other Sports Titles)

[reyes the roof]

Franchise mode started going down hill long before MUT was ever a part of the game

[Junior Moe]

I wouldn't say so. It's just the natural progression (or regression depending I you look at it) of gaming. Thats where the money and interest is. The only reason

I bought GTA5 on the XB1 after beating it on the 360 was because I was looking forward to the DLC. I just knew some San Fierro and Los Vanturas craziness was coming, lol. It never came because all their focus was on GTA Online. Hell, it might have been cut up into the GTA Online stuff. They've made like a billion dollars on that game. I get it. I don't know how much they made off the GTA 4 DLC, but I'm sure it pales in comparison. That's where we're at in gaming.

Sports games are even tougher because they come out every year. I think as long as the other the parts of the game are solid and there's variety it's fine. Maddens issues for me personally stem more from the game just not hooking me in and feeling bland too quickly. I dont think (or care really) that MUT has anything to do with that. That's the games vision to me. Madden looks good and plays well. Especially couch co op, Madden is more sim than ever here. I noticed playing over the holidays that the gamey "cheese" my cousins still try doesnt work. The game from a technical standpoint is the best it has ever been, IMO.

[Toupal]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

Some of y'all need to get that MUT hate out your heart. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

I really don't think anyone would hold MUT accountable for the downfall of other modes. But with EA's business model and significant decrease in spending on development, we are limited to fewer and fewer additions each year.

If EA used that extra $800 million to develop other modes, then I think people would probably cheer on the success of MUT. Yet that is not the case.

However EA has actually dropped spending on development (by 300 million) despite how much easier MUT is to maintain than CFM.

So EA's greed has led to the hostility towards ultimate team.

[howboutdat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Toupal

I really don't think anyone would hold MUT accountable for the downfall of other modes. But with EA's business model and significant decrease in spending on development, we are limited to fewer and fewer additions each year. If EA used that extra $800 million to develop other modes, then I think people would probably cheer on the success of MUT. Yet that is not the case. However EA has actually dropped spending on development (by 300 million) despite how much easier MUT is to maintain than CFM. So EA's greed has led to the hostility towards ultimate team.

Hold on now, dont go using facts on why people legit dont like Ultimate Team modes . Its not ok for them to use any of that 800 million for CFM, but its ok to use it to make up for the short fall of Star Wars debacle. Just give them even more money by adding micros in CFM, im sure that will fix CFM......

[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Toupal

I really don't think anyone would hold MUT accountable for the downfall of other modes. But with EA's business model and significant decrease in spending on development, we are limited to fewer and fewer additions each year. If EA used that extra $800 million to develop other modes, then I think people would probably cheer on the success of MUT. Yet that is not the case. However EA has actually dropped spending on development (by 300 million) despite how much easier MUT is to maintain than CFM. So EA's greed has led to the hostility towards ultimate team.

So the mode itself becomes the scapegoat for what reason, exactly? Because this seems to be the millionth thread you've created to demonize MUT when your actual concern is about things bigger than any single mode.

Judging by some of the replies in the last thread, you seem unaware of exactly how these modes operate. Not a knock, if you don't check them out that's cool; but we (as a community) can't have a real discussion about pros and cons of Ultimate Team modes if we choose to attack them purely from a perspective of how it effects other modes in a game. These modes all operate a little differently, and it'd make more sense to discuss the good and bad of each on their own merits.



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[Toupal]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmashMan

So the mode itself becomes the scapegoat for what reason, exactly? Because this seems to be the millionth thread you've created to demonize MUT when your actual concern is about things bigger than any single mode. Judging by some of the replies in the last thread, you seem unaware of exactly how these modes operate. Not a knock, if you don't check them out that's cool; but we (as a community) can't have a real discussion about pros and cons of Ultimate Team modes if we choose to attack them purely from a perspective of how it effects other modes in a game. These modes all operate a little differently, and it'd make more sense to discuss the good and bad of each on their own merits. Sent from my iPad using Operation Sports

MUT has allowed this company to get lazy.

Compared to 2013, EA made roughly $3 billion off of game sales and roughly $1 billion with in-game purchases.

Today EA makes roughly $2 billion off of game sales, and roughly $2 billion off of in-game purchases.

What does that tell you?
That tells you that less people are buying games, and forking out more for in game purchases.

$1 billion worth of people are no longer playing these games because they are not interested in what these games are becoming

Why should everyone care?

Because EA has spent (I am going to use this number a lot) $300 million less on game development since 2009.

Why is that?

Because they can. With EA making half of their sales off of packs of cards and loot crates, it is too easy to release the same game with a few upgrades and just updating new packs of cards for the next season.

I absolutely agree that each mode is different. However we are not talking about features, the way the game is set up, or anything like that. We are discussing what MUT (specifically the in game sales) has allowed EA to get away with.

So my question to you, is why is EA spending $300 million less on development?

Why is has EA's game sales dropped almost a billion dollars, yet they're still making roughly the same revenue as they did almost 5 years ago?

What do you think the future of Madden will look like if restrictions are put on sales of card packs to minors?

[TheShizNo1]

You are what we call an "agenda poster". It's clear you don't like Madden yet you continue to post and create threads in this section that are nothing but negative opinions. At this point I feel you're either stubborn (fighting the "good fight") or ignorant ($$$ talks). This isn't ODogg calling out for dreads (props), it's someone calling out for a relatively dying game mode that's currently non-profitable to a company that wants to turn a turn a profit 🤷🏾*♂️

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[Toupal]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

You are what we call an "agenda poster". It's clear you don't like Madden yet you continue to post and create threads in this section that are nothing but negative opinions. At this point I feel you're either stubborn (fighting the "good fight") or ignorant ($$$ talks). This isn't ODogg calling out for dreads (props), it's someone calling out for a relatively dying game mode that's currently non-profitable to a company that wants to turn a turn a profit 🤷🏾*♂️ Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

So what is the purpose of these forums?

I love Madden. It has been a huge part of my life.
Madden 64 was what originally got me into football
Madden 02 was the game that I played during the summer and fall I spent in a cancer hospital when I was a kid.
Hell, even on my make-a-wish I got to meet John Madden where he gave me my own copy of Madden 03
Madden 10 was the game that I would play on my downtime while I was deployed
Madden 12 was the game that kept me busy while working overnights

The reason I am as passionate about it is is because I am disgusted of seeing these "suits" who have probably never played any of these games, turn something I care about into "an online casino".

This game deserves better, and the consumers deserve better.

If you are happy with what Madden has become, then great. And for those that aren't happy with it and quit playing, then I am sorry to see that. But to me, it is too important to just give up.

I come to OS to share/ read ideas, have dialogue with people as passionate about the game, and see what news Madden may have.

It is evident that I am not the only person upset upset about the direction in Madden from the evidence of their sales and other posts.

So why do you defend them? What gain do you make from telling people that they need to give up?