MLB The Show 16 News Post

SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

12:07 PM - June 28, 2016 by RaychelSnr

If you've been on Twitter lately, you've no doubt been seeing Ramone Russell answer fans inquiries about why they were banned over the past couple of days.

Over the weekend, Ramone also posted in the SCEA Forums reiterating that breaking the rules and standards of the community could result in a console and PSN ID being banned.

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	"If a player is found cheating, exploiting, harassing other players, or breaking the rules in game or here on The Show Nation forums, we will suspend the account for a limited time or even permanently ban the ID and console. This isn't new and we've always been on the lookout for these types of players, but it's important to remind the community of the potential consequences that may await players if they decide to travel down the dark path."

Also of note via TheShowNation (Victor_SDS)

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	There was an exploit related to cancelling transactions on the marketplace. If someone took advantage of this exploit egregiously, their ID would have been flagged and banned. Flipping cards on the market is not an offense. Buying and quick selling is not an offense. It had more process than just cancelling an order.

A number of players were banned in the past few days according to Ramone's Twitter Feed:

"We banned a number of users who exploited community market transactions. Bans will not be reversed, fyi flipping cards IS NOT an exploit.

Flipping cards doesn't get you banned, we encourage flipped cards, flipping cards is good for everyone."

Several users were quick to claim innocence but it appears Russell came armed with info, telling at least one user they were in the top 1% of offenders of the glitch. In fact, the SCEA investigation into the matter was three weeks long and involved multiple runs and checks of the same data.

This was a bold move by SCEA to protect the online gaming experience for many MLB The Show users. While bans are nothing new in the online gaming world, it does appear SCEA has taken some pretty dramatic steps in order to safeguard the online experience for gamers. While some of the bans are permanent, others are temporary and will last anywhere from days to weeks to months.

What do you think of the bans? Was SCEA right? Is this a good move?

UPDATE (6-30): via Twitter

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	We hear your concerns. This is very important to us. We are looking into it. We thank you for your patience. More to come soon.

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# 161 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 05:26 PM

This is what your post should have said:

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Originally Posted by redsox4evur


	They didn't willy nilly ban people. Like I said earlier they took the time between the patch to fix the exploit and the day of the mass banning to review every case multiple times. So if you got banned, you did something. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because we can't say that, that's my whole problem with this deal.
Like Smashman says when Emails are returned, we will know more. W
When some bans are lifted, & I have no doubt some will because in all my time with the Show, for whatever mistakes Sony has made, they are standup & accountable to correct those mistakes.

# 162 srdclark @ 06/29/16 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	You can't accidently rob a bank. But it sounds like you can accidently trigger this. If you buy & sell a lot, it wouldn;t be hard to trigger this a lot , esp. if you ty to cancel on your ps4 & see it didn't register while you're on your phone & try to cancel again.Sony screwed up in the first place by even making cancellations possible.

You absolutely can rob a bank accidentally.

If you ask the teller for $100 but she accidentally hands you 6 $20 bills but you don't notice until you get home, you have robbed them accidentally. They are unlikely to prosecute you for it, even if they find the occurrence on their cameras. It's only $20 and it was clearly an accident.

But you notice a pattern - if you go in right before lunch time, that one teller always mis-counts because she's over hungry. So you start going in at that time every day, making $20 each time. Then you get really brazen - you re-deposit your money using the ATM, then get back in line. Now you can do this cycle multiple times per day. At what point does the bank decide that this is no longer accidental?

Of course, this situation wouldn't be repeatable in real life. The teller would have been fired for her till shortages. Unfortunately, this is what automation of services online provides - repeatable situations that wouldn't be repeatable in real life. Modern life revolves around these systems that allow bulk, rapid transfer of data, and none of them are bulletproof. Credit fraud is possible because of flaws in the system; would you argue that credit fraud should be legal since the onus is on the credit providers to provide a foolproof system? Should theft be legal if you can find a way to do it when nobody is looking?

That premise, that systems should be infallible before being released to production, is deeply flawed. If we all held to that, we would be bartering with livestock and the only game we would be playing would be farm simulator simulator - which is actually just working on a farm.

# 163 kehlis @ 06/29/16 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by srdclark


	You absolutely can rob a bank accidentally. If you ask the teller for $100 but she accidentally hands you 6 $20 bills but you don't notice until you get home, you have robbed them accidentally. They are unlikely to prosecute you for it, even if they find the occurrence on their cameras. It's only $20 and it was clearly an accident. But you notice a pattern - if you go in right before lunch time, that one teller always mis-counts because she's over hungry. So you start going in at that time every day, making $20 each time. Then you get really brazen - you re-deposit your money using the ATM, then get back in line. Now you can do this cycle multiple times per day. At what point does the bank decide that this is no longer accidental? Of course, this situation wouldn't be repeatable in real life. The teller would have been fired for her till shortages. Unfortunately, this is what automation of services online provides - repeatable situations that wouldn't be repeatable in real life. Modern life revolves around these systems that allow bulk, rapid transfer of data, and none of them are bulletproof. Credit fraud is possible because of flaws in the system; would you argue that credit fraud should be legal since the onus is on the credit providers to provide a foolproof system? Should theft be legal if you can find a way to do it when nobody is looking? That premise, that systems should be infallible before being released to production, is deeply flawed. If we all held to that, we would be bartering with livestock and the only game we would be playing would be farm simulator simulator - which is actually just working on a farm.

None of that analogy about how a bank works is accurate.

If too much money is given the account is debited the additional twenty at the end of the night and that's the end of the story.

If there comes a point where it becomes a pattern we just close your account and say we're done doing business with you.

Some of these analogies are getting a bit out of hand.

# 164 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by srdclark


	You absolutely can rob a bank accidentally. If you ask the teller for $100 but she accidentally hands you 6 $20 bills but you don't notice until you get home, you have robbed them accidentally. They are unlikely to prosecute you for it, even if they find the occurrence on their cameras. It's only $20 and it was clearly an accident. But you notice a pattern - if you go in right before lunch time, that one teller always mis-counts because she's over hungry. So you start going in at that time every day, making $20 each time. Then you get really brazen - you re-deposit your money using the ATM, then get back in line. Now you can do this cycle multiple times per day. At what point does the bank decide that this is no longer accidental? Of course, this situation wouldn't be repeatable in real life. The teller would have been fired for her till shortages. Unfortunately, this is what automation of services online provides - repeatable situations that wouldn't be repeatable in real life. Modern life revolves around these systems that allow bulk, rapid transfer of data, and none of them are bulletproof. Credit fraud is possible because of flaws in the system; would you argue that credit fraud should be legal since the onus is on the credit providers to provide a foolproof system? Should theft be legal if you can find a way to do it when nobody is looking? That premise, that systems should be infallible before being released to production, is deeply flawed. If we all held to that, we would be bartering with livestock and the only game we would be playing would be farm simulator simulator - which is actually just working on a farm.

Credit fraud should not be legal. But if they prosecute innocent people just so they are sure to catch the guilty, that is as wrong as credit fraud.
All products before released to the general public should be more thoroughly tested. As it stands now, shoddy products are released all the time, evidence deaths involving cars that need to be recalled, that should have never even seen the light of day. Better systems can be released, but not as long as the bottom line is more important than life. Frankly, we cannot say any such thing. Just because companies don't need to rush their product doesn't mean we all need to barter with livestock. Unfortunately the profits ARE the most important thing. I don't think we can ever get that out of human nature, thereby it has become acceptable to punish the innocent with the guilty. And that is wrong, I don't care if that is the easiest way to make money. It's wrong.
Alright, I'm through tilting at windmills for today.

It's time to let the system work itself out, for better or worse.
And maybe I won't get steamrolled in the interim.

# 165 SmashMan @ 06/29/16 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	Some of these analogies are getting a bit out of hand.

And we didn't even get into McDonalds or "car without steering wheel" stuff yet.

# 166 jvalverde88 @ 06/29/16 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy


	Here you go: I was expecting the number of transaction to be a bit higher but >500K is a ton.

The people who got called out on Twitter were like:

# 167 elbomberoloco @ 06/29/16 07:04 PM

I find it weird that :
1. Sony "fixed" the problem weeks ago yet didn't issue a warning until two days before mass banning.
2. The problem is "fixed" but TSN page is still down...
3. If this issue didn't hit sony in the pocket book it wouldn't have been fixed for awhile...

And all the analogies comparing felony acts, forgery, and other random comparisons it's a f'n video game, get real. Again if it wasn't hitting Sony in the pocket book, you wouldn't even know about it and nothing would happening to fix it...

# 168 elbomberoloco @ 06/29/16 07:05 PM

If this guy is legit I am an innocent man !!!...oh wait I didn't get banned. Interesting points :
- I have made numerous trades both on TSN and PS4
- I bunt...sometimes a lot - not against people unless the situation warrants it
- I murder the Yeti's daily sometimes with sneaky evil bunts
- I suck online because for some reason the ball jitters or just moves different when I bat, difficult to explain but I watch youtube videos of the "pros" and they don't have the same issue (at least not in the playback feed). I've tried playing at work (worse internet) friends house (much better internet) so who knows...
- I also have numerous of several cards - not in the 100's but more than a couple...
- Lastly first time I've read it was a "small" group of users doesn't sound like 1,500...

# 169 baseballsim @ 06/29/16 07:08 PM

Whatever this is it must have happened way back in April because nobody has a recollection what they did.

# 170 NDAlum @ 06/29/16 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elbomberoloco


	If this guy is legit I am an innocent man !!!...oh wait I didn't get banned. Interesting points : - I have made numerous trades both on TSN and PS4 - I bunt...sometimes a lot - not against people unless the situation warrants it - I murder the Yeti's daily sometimes with sneaky evil bunts - I suck online because for some reason the ball jitters or just moves different when I bat, difficult to explain but I watch youtube videos of the "pros" and they don't have the same issue (at least not in the playback feed). I've tried playing at work (worse internet) friends house (much better internet) so who knows... - I also have numerous of several cards - not in the 100's but more than a couple... - Lastly first time I've read it was a "small" group of users doesn't sound like 1,500...

Did they ever release a # of people banned?

# 171 SmashMan @ 06/29/16 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elbomberoloco


	I find it weird that : 1. Sony "fixed" the problem weeks ago yet didn't issue a warning until two days before mass banning. 2. The problem is "fixed" but TSN page is still down... 3. If this issue didn't hit sony in the pocket book it wouldn't have been fixed for awhile...

1 - They knew they were banning people so they posted the warning to be able to point to it when people complained. This info is obviously in the TOS anyway, but no harm in pointing to it again around ban time because I don't know anyone that actually reads any TOS, haha.

2 - Probably testing to make sure there isn't a similar exploit that can crop up.

3 - This is obvious. Companies will quickly act on issues that could cost them money. This one also potentially upsets the competitive balance of the mode, making it even more of a priority.

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Originally Posted by NDAlum


	Did they ever release a # of people banned?

I don't think so? I've been wondering where that 1,500 number came from myself.

# 172 baseballsim @ 06/29/16 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NDAlum


	Did they ever release a # of people banned?

First time I heard that value was in cardinalbird5's video about this topic.

# 173 NDAlum @ 06/29/16 07:47 PM

So hypothetically it could be 100, or 1,000,000?

That's a huge piece of the puzzle IMO. Would be nice to get clarification.

# 174 srdclark @ 06/29/16 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	If too much money is given the account is debited the additional twenty at the end of the night and that's the end of the story.

That's just wildly untrue.

# 175 srdclark @ 06/29/16 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	Credit fraud should not be legal. But if they prosecute innocent people just so they are sure to catch the guilty, that is as wrong as credit fraud.

Innocent people are prosecuted all the time. Innocent people are convicted all the time. Attorneys prosecute people that they don't believe are guilty, because getting a conviction is more valuable than accurately catching criminals.

# 176 kehlis @ 06/29/16 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by srdclark


	That's just wildly untrue.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll go to work tomorrow and let everyone know we've been doing it wrong.

Just was pointing out your analogy was both silly and impossible.

I completely agree with the point you were trying to make but it made no sense.

Not going to talk about banking in this thread though, if you wish feel free to PM me.

# 177 srdclark @ 06/29/16 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elbomberoloco


	I find it weird that : And all the analogies comparing felony acts, forgery, and other random comparisons it's a f'n video game, get real.

No, it's theft. If people were using an exploit to score more runs in the game, your point would be valid (though perhaps somewhat facile).

This is a digital good that is sold for real money. "It's only a game" may help you sleep at night, but it is no less theft than pirating a copy of a game is.

# 178 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by srdclark


	No, it's theft. If people were using an exploit to score more runs in the game, your point would be valid (though perhaps somewhat facile). This is a digital good that is sold for real money. "It's only a game" may help you sleep at night, but it is no less theft than pirating a copy of a game is.

What's going on here is more akin to counting cards at a casino. They ask you to leave.
They don't have you arrested. The Sony stance is the same, by banning, they say you are not welcome here any longer. If Sony isn't pressing charges for theft, then shame on them for letting crooks run free.

# 179 ronc524 @ 06/29/16 11:04 PM

Not that anyone cares, but here's my opinion. I have not been banned on either of my accounts(haven't played much as I got back into NBA2K during the playoffs).
I find the banning of players whether guilty or innocent a little harsh, and here is my reasoning. I understand that this is was an exploit and people gained something from nothing, however many of the people here who claim the bans were appropriate also benefitted last year during the stubs fairy debacle(I did too), I find it hypocritical. For everyone who are making the analogy of this to any fiduciary proceeding you forget one thing, you have the opportunity for an appeals process with a mediator. This process seems to be without any recourse for those accused and I cannot stand behind that at all.

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# 180 kehlis @ 06/29/16 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ronc524


	I understand that this is was an exploit and people gained something from nothing, however many of the people here who claim the bans were appropriate also benefitted last year during the stubs fairy debacle(I did too), I find it hypocritical.

How are you arriving at this conclusion?

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