Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[RealDeal]

We should scan the waterboy.

[Bek]

im pretty sure i was cleared by the other members of the circle of trust...if i do die let it be becuase we have too many engineers around(which we do) and not becuase i wasnt cleared(which i believe i was)

[pennywisesb]

Hoops:

I think this would be a terrible way to out someone, but whoever is doing this should look awfully suspicious at this point.

Well, Lathum and Pennywisesb are clean. They both come out 100% survivor. Hoops, I'm bummed I missed your point on MrW and his empath ability for Lathum -- that would have been huge. Why not have him clear KWhit? I'm certain there's a post by KWhit somewhere in there -- like RealDeal said, there's probably a post by everyone at this point claiming to be a good guy.

[Bek]

first night in the brig tonight...i dont know if i should be excited or not...dont want my bum bum to hurt in the morning

[KWhit]

Just got semi-caught up. It's been a bear of a day at work today, so I had to skim a lot of threads.

I am happy to take over command of the ship and for the record....

I am not spawn.

Hope that last phrase does someone some good, but I would hesitate to use the empath power on it unless you feel you must. I would hope the absolute trust is now trustworthy since penny has been scanned. But if not, feel free to go ahead and clear me by using "empath."

[pennywisesb]

Pass is in the thread, but hasn't argued against what he said....Does anyone think this is strange, or just me? He basically condemned himself in post #2013

[pennywisesb]

For the record, Blade is not part of the absolute trust that I know of.

[RealDeal]

Penny, Pass is not spawn. I scanned him myself. And if you doubt me, I've used the duplicant ability (which spawn don't have) and MW used his emphatic ability on me to confirm my truthfulness.

[KWhit]

I am not a spawn.

[pennywisesb]

Penny, Pass is not spawn. I scanned him myself. And if you doubt me, I've used the duplicant ability (which spawn don't have) and MW used his emphatic ability on me to confirm my truthfulness.

All he needed to say what he miss-stated what he wrote, but he never did. I'm wondering if it really was a slip of the tongue or not. Thats it. I've already stated you were gaining my trust, but this just threw me for a loop. That entire post was incoherent.

[KWhit]

I have to run and I wanted to make sure I had a post that laid out my statement without some other extraneous crap in it.

[RealDeal]

Which part of my post did you not understand?

[Blade6119]

For the record, Blade is not part of the absolute trust that I know of.

never claimed to be, not sure where realdeal got that from...i knew of the trust before everyone else outside of it is all

[Raiders Army]

Vote Barkeep49

[pennywisesb]

Which part of my post did you not understand?

The part where he says: "It pains me to kill another spawn"

[hoopsguy]

Penny, thanks for pulling that up for me.

I'm hoping Wednesday shows up at some point to run that scan on me. I agree that my role is a dangerous one if I'm working against you. I'm not, but I completely understand concern on this point.

[Blade6119]

Penny, thanks for pulling that up for me.

I'm hoping Wednesday shows up at some point to run that scan on me. I agree that my role is a dangerous one if I'm working against you. I'm not, but I completely understand concern on this point.

You sent off the list?? I just submitted brig 20 minutes ago and its up, while nothing as to who you gave water too...odd :confused: :confused: :confused:

[RealDeal]

I definitely think Hoops has to be scanned. He can win it or lose it for us by killing the right people and keeping the right people alive.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Barkeep49
This is unfounded and unfair. I would hope that everyone realizes my role is too valuable to the crew to kill me. In case Mr. W wants to scan I am NOT a Spawn.

:D

[Blade6119]

im going to keep discussing things, but after thinking about the severity of hoops' role i hope you scan him before me...he is more important to the good of the team then my personal annoyance of being accused or actual death...we need to ensure hes on our side

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm not following you on the list. My water list is a night activity. I have only asked for input on this from people but it will be several hours before I send it off. And I can be ordered to include/exclude people from the list, as far as I know.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm not following you on the list. My water list is a night activity. I have only asked for input on this from people but it will be several hours before I send it off. And I can be ordered to include/exclude people from the list, as far as I know.

last nights list, i never saw it...thats what im inquiring about

[Raiders Army]

This is unfounded and unfair. I would hope that everyone realizes my role is too valuable to the crew to kill me. In case Mr. W wants to scan I am NOT a Spawn.

:D
:p

[hoopsguy]

I put the list in, but we ended up not needing it because the water produced yesterday was factored in.

So 3.25 was left yesterday, plus 1.5 = 4.75 (water for 19)
Sixteen people consumed water, leaving .75 (water for 3)

So I had put in a list of people assuming that we had 17 people (after Jeff was killed, before Ardent was shipped off) and that 13 would get water. But it was not needed.

Tonight I will submit a list of nine names for water (.75 + 1.5), which I assume I'll have to rank since the spawn could conceivably damage the water supply. From then on out the list will include six people, again assuming that our water production continues unabated.

[Blade6119]

Thank you, i did not know all of that...i appreciate you taking the time to answer my question hoops

[Bek]

there was no list

[Blade6119]

there was no list
Wha??...read hoops' post so were on the same page here matt

[SnDvls]

Actually, no one has cleared me that im aware of...now, sundvls did spy on me last night it looks like, but that shouldnt have told him a thing...ive never been exhausted, im not out doing stuff in the night


correction...I did not spy on you as I don't have that ability I protected you. After everyone blew up about having to keep the warden to keep the brig. I thought you should be protected in case of attack as you were the only person that could keep our Dr. safe in the brig.

I have no "hidden" role I know of and have never been told of one. I'm good and will go along with whatever needs to happen.

Again I ask......has anyone cleared bek??? why was he exausted the other day???

can anyone besides bek explain that?

anyhow

vote Raders Army

[Bek]

sry blade i didnt refresh the screen and to clear me sundvls i think the absolute trust group does that...i was exhausted because i had stayed up during the night...if you read the rules that is something you can pm barkeep and he'll do

[Blade6119]

correction...I did not spy on you as I don't have that ability I protected you. After everyone blew up about having to keep the warden to keep the brig. I thought you should be protected in case of attack as you were the only person that could keep our Dr. safe in the brig.

I have no "hidden" role I know of and have never been told of one. I'm good and will go along with whatever needs to happen.

Again I ask......has anyone cleared bek??? why was he exausted the other day???

can anyone besides bek explain that?

anyhow

vote Raders Army

Kwhit has cleared bek, bek has cleared penny, and penny has cleared kwhit...those three are the absolute trust...yes, bek has been cleared...ad for exhaustion i dont know

[RealDeal]

Hoops: please focus your water list on cleared people.

[pennywisesb]

Has anyone cleared SnDvls?

[RealDeal]

The fact that SnDvls has no power is suspicious, since it seems pretty much every survivor has one.

[Bek]

Has anyone cleared SnDvls?

not that i know of

[Passacaglia]

Totally a slip of the tongue, guys! Sorry! I am not spawn.

[Blade6119]

Has anyone cleared SnDvls?

Not that i can tell...Sundvls, Hoops, myself, mr. w, and fouts are the uncleared ones, but thats not counting people cleared early in the game who could have been converted...but those 5 are prob. our best bet

[hoopsguy]

RealDeal, I'll work off of your list in Post #2020 in terms of cleared people, if that works for you.

[Blade6119]

The fact that SnDvls has no power is suspicious, since it seems pretty much every survivor has one.

I would have never found out my gut feeling role unless i had at least 2-4 votes on me and lived...its possible he has the same role, and would never know until hes voted against...

[RealDeal]

Hoops, if you notice I have x's in front of the names of the uncleared folks.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, if you notice I have x's in front of the names of the uncleared folks.
Except you have one in front of bek...he has been cleared...i can quote it if you would like

[SnDvls]

Okay thanks for the clear up of Bek.

Sorry guys I'm good and always have been.
I'll bet whatever Ardent always bets if I'm not!! :)

So since Fouts isn't clear is the general feeling to not give him a phaser tonight?

[Blade6119]

Okay thanks for the clear up of Bek.

Sorry guys I'm good and always have been.
I'll bet whatever Ardent always bets if I'm not!! :)

So since Fouts isn't clear is the general feeling to not give him a phaser tonight?

No need to waste one on me, since people feel the brig is useless aparently...and no one trusts me...fouts i keep going back on forth on...i pushed hard for him a few days ago and almost died for it...i can seem him going either way

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls is not the only one with no revealed secret power. I believe every in the list below is in the same boat:
1.) Me - I'm tempted to ask for a couple of votes just to see if the power is Gut Feeling
2.) Fouts
3.) SnDvls
4.) Lathum
5.) MrBug
6.) Pass
7.) Vince

[SnDvls]

No need to waste one on me, since people feel the brig is useless aparently...and no one trusts me...fouts i keep going back on forth on...i pushed hard for him a few days ago and almost died for it...i can seem him going either way


at the time it was important to protect you so I did, now I see you and I are in the same boat and are going to be coming up soon. unless we get a spawn tonight, which isn't going to happen by killing RA, but we have to do what we have to do to survive.

[Blade6119]

SnDvls is not the only one with no revealed secret power. I believe every in the list below is in the same boat:
1.) Me - I'm tempted to ask for a couple of votes just to see if the power is Gut Feeling
2.) Fouts
3.) SnDvls
4.) Lathum
5.) MrBug
6.) Pass
7.) Vince

Ill look it up if need be, but we have liars in that group..barkeep confirmed earlier there were only 5 that didnt yet know their secret role, and then he sent me mine...so its either 4-5 worst case...i can go find it if you want, but thats a huge clue right there

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, unless you can find something in the rules that indicates that phasers help the spawn to execute their attacks I would go ahead and distribute all the phasers you can each night.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm not saying that no one in that list knows - I just don't recall any of these people commenting publicly on the board about a role.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm not saying that no one in that list knows - I just don't recall any of these people commenting publicly on the board about a role.

I say were at a point where they should, as i dont see any major roles left unnamed...it would help us determine bad guys...its just a clue barkeep gave us and we have more then he said...thats just seems like a nice little piece of evidence to me, one i dont like discarding becuase some people might be quiet

[SnDvls]

SnDvls, unless you can find something in the rules that indicates that phasers help the spawn to execute their attacks I would go ahead and distribute all the phasers you can each night.


nothing that I see indicates one way or the other.

Barkeep- can it be assumed that the phasers are only for defensive purposes?

[hoopsguy]

I'll reiterate that I don't know my secret role. Wish I did. No hidden agenda here.

[SnDvls]

okay any order on what to protect tonight then.

Hoops is doing water again per his usual I assume.

anyone want to make a list of 5-6 "important things/people" to protect

[Passacaglia]

If y'all want me to reveal my role, I'm an empath. I've already used both my abilities -- one to clear Vince, and the other to find out that currently there is more than one spawn.

[Blade6119]

If y'all want me to reveal my role, I'm an empath. I've already used both my abilities -- one to clear Vince, and the other to find out that currently there is more than one spawn.

Why wouldnt you come forward with this sooner??? seems kinda odd to withhold this until everyone not revealing their secret role gets a call out

Now, noting its odd to withhold this info and might mean spawn, if its believed that helps me as vince was only about 85% trusted in my mind and it helps us know what were up against

[pennywisesb]

If y'all want me to reveal my role, I'm an empath. I've already used both my abilities -- one to clear Vince, and the other to find out that currently there is more than one spawn.

That is HUGE information. So there are at least 2 more spawn.

[RealDeal]

Pass, what statement did you test to find out there was more than one spawn and who said it?

[hoopsguy]

This makes sense - Pass, I believe you have made references to more than one spawn a couple of times over the last few days. So what days did you run each of these scans?

I think we need to get scans on both KWhit and RealDeal as soon as possible. We need to know that the guys we would have the greatest challenges lynching (KWhit now and RealDeal if something happens to KWhit) are working for us. Since there is no succession plan beyond KWhit/RealDeal/Lathum we are fine if all three pass eventually but we are in bad shape if they are in place as the Captain without a 1st Officer to lead a mutiny. Does this make sense or am I completely off base here?

I'm not saying that you should bypass a scan on me. But I would put these people near the start of the queue tomorrow if Wednesday looks at me today. Maybe RealDeal before KWhit since there are multiple people vouching for KWhit through Absolute trust, while the support for RealDeal is based on his support for Vince on Day 3. Plus they can order me to keep them alive with water later this week.

[pennywisesb]

Pass, you cannot give us information like that and then leave the thread. Come on man!

[pennywisesb]

I'm not saying that you should bypass a scan on me. But I would put these people near the start of the queue tomorrow if Wednesday looks at me today. Maybe RealDeal before KWhit since there are multiple people vouching for KWhit through Absolute trust, while the support for RealDeal is based on his support for Vince on Day 3. Plus they can order me to keep them alive with water later this week.

I agree. I think its important that RD is found to be clean. I say Mr. W scans Hoops today, just to be safe, and then Vince scans RD first thing tomorrow. As far as KWit--I think you all know where Bek and I stand on him.

[Blade6119]

i dont get calls for penny or kwhit being scanned...all three are cleared, unless you think the whole absolute trust is spawn

[Raiders Army]

correction...I did not spy on you as I don't have that ability I protected you. After everyone blew up about having to keep the warden to keep the brig. I thought you should be protected in case of attack as you were the only person that could keep our Dr. safe in the brig.

I have no "hidden" role I know of and have never been told of one. I'm good and will go along with whatever needs to happen.

Again I ask......has anyone cleared bek??? why was he exausted the other day???

can anyone besides bek explain that?

anyhow

vote Raders Army
Raiders Army! Not Raider's Army, not Raider Army, not Raders Army!!!!

[Passacaglia]

As for why I didn't reveal it earlier, well Vince didn't really need my help, and I saw no reason to out myself about it, then after a while, I'd used it up! It was a few days ago that I checked to see if there was more than one spawn, almost right after we found out about dubb and RA. I said something like "There is only one spawn left that's alive and not in a coma. That's my guess, anyway." I checked the first sentence, which turned out to be false.

[RealDeal]

I think it's gay to use a scan on me. Only survivors can be duplicants and Mr. W already checked me out. But if that's what people need to get comfortable I can live with that. And if Mr. W wants to use his emphatic power on me a second time...I am not a spawn.

The one thing I don't want is for Kwhit and I to both get scanned tomorrow. Hoops needs to be one of those scans.

[Blade6119]

I think it's gay to use a scan on me. Only survivors can be duplicants and Mr. W already checked me out. But if that's what people need to get comfortable I can live with that. And if Mr. W wants to use his emphatic power on me a second time...I am not a spawn.

The one thing I don't want is for Kwhit and I to both get scanned tomorrow. Hoops needs to be one of those scans.

Up until now, i hadnt viewed it this way, but you were cleared by an uncleared...it really doesnt mean much...i would say your support of vince spoke volumes, but the spawn all voted for marc and not schmidty which makes me wonder...you two would fit the description...im not accusing you, but it would sure be ncie cover to support vince

technically, since mr. w is unclear so are you

[hoopsguy]

Now that we have more than one spawn to worry about I think we have to open up our review a little deeper than we have been publicly discussing.

I've been hoping we only had one spawn in our midst up to this point, but kind of dreading that there might be more out there.

If I don't have a clear smoking gun to explore, then I think we need to engage in risk mitigation. The biggest risks we have, once water starts cutting into our ranks is:
1.) I'm spawn and don't give water to any survivors
Likelihood: I know it to be zero, but no one else has this assurance
2.) Vince and/or any other healer is a spawn, not giving us good data - basically saying everyone is clean
Likelihood: 20%? Pulling a number out of the air here
3.) Captain spawn, no remaining officers to remove him from office
Likelihood: 30%? Again, pulling a number out of the air since everyone in this group has some kind of cover in public/private roles

Worst-case scenario: Vince, RealDeal, and Pennywise are spawn. If that is the case then we are pretty much doomed. All scans are screwed, and they can assume the captain role by killing KWhit at night.

Best-case scenario: Two people that are not airtight clean right now are spawn, and we get them in lynch/water (they are still alive) in 2-3 days

[Passacaglia]

Seriously, Blade, you're going to call out ANOTHER obvious survivor?

[RealDeal]

I hear and agree with what you are saying re: Mr. W., but as I have pointed out before, I am (was) a duplicant, and that is clear by the post by barkeep when I scanned Vince and Pass. There is no way a spawn could have done that. Spawn cannot be duplicant.

[Blade6119]

Now that we have more than one spawn to worry about I think we have to open up our review a little deeper than we have been publicly discussing.

I've been hoping we only had one spawn in our midst up to this point, but kind of dreading that there might be more out there.

If I don't have a clear smoking gun to explore, then I think we need to engage in risk mitigation. The biggest risks we have, once water starts cutting into our ranks is:
1.) I'm spawn and don't give water to any survivors
Likelihood: I know it to be zero, but no one else has this assurance
2.) Vince and/or any other healer is a spawn, not giving us good data - basically saying everyone is clean
Likelihood: 20%? Pulling a number out of the air here
3.) Captain spawn, no remaining officers to remove him from office
Likelihood: 30%? Again, pulling a number out of the air since everyone in this group has some kind of cover in public/private roles

Worst-case scenario: Vince, RealDeal, and Pennywise are spawn. If that is the case then we are pretty much doomed. All scans are screwed, and they can assume the captain role by killing KWhit at night.

Best-case scenario: Two people that are not airtight clean right now are spawn, and we get them in lynch/water (they are still alive) in 2-3 days

Why would penny kill kwhit(and how would he be spawn and kwhit and bek not know??)...they are in the absolute trust together...your views just dont make sense there...though i could see vince, realdeal, and others, you cant include penny then say you want to kill kwhit

And healers have a much higher chance then captain..id give kwhit .01%, and vince around 25-30%

[Blade6119]

Seriously, Blade, you're going to call out ANOTHER obvious survivor?

Pass, right now were all surivors...gotta accuse a survivor to get a spawn, im just tossing out ideas

[hoopsguy]

RealDeal, if I'm checked by MrW tonight (which I think makes sense) then I would think if Vince runs two scans tomorrow they are on you and KWhit. If you are both clean then we will have eliminated two of my three danger scenarios from the above post. We then can work together to publish the water list with all of us in complete trust.

Thursday - Vince runs two scans, Penny scans Vince. At this point if Vince is clean then we have eliminated the three biggest threats and we're running three scans every night on a diminishing group of people as the number who get water continues to shrink.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, right now were all surivors...gotta accuse a survivor to get a spawn, im just tossing out ideas

This isn't quite true. There are several people who haven't been cleared by anyone. Go after them.

[Blade6119]

This isn't quite true. There are several people who haven't been cleared by anyone. Go after them.

I have posted that list numerous times, i was pointing out that real deal isnt clear either since his clearance was a scan by mr. w and mr. w is not clear

[Blade6119]

gotta go to class, be back in about an hour

[RealDeal]

Honestly, Hoops, I would rather have Mr. W check Kwhit, and Vince scan you and me. No offense, but I want you scanned.

[hoopsguy]

Real, maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining the Captain spawn scenario - it doesn't assume that KWhit is spawn, but that one of the three officers is a spawn and can eventually get to the position of captain (if not there already).

In my worst case scenario, I put you in there instead of Lathum but it could just as easily be Lathum or KWhit. Worst case = docs bad + spawn captain. I'm not including water scenarios in my worst case because I know that I'm not spawn.

The percentages for Dr's are lower because there are only two of them, while there are three officers. Right now there is only one doctor, and he has been cleared by his actions and now by Passacaglia.

[pennywisesb]

RealDeal, if I'm checked by MrW tonight (which I think makes sense) then I would think if Vince runs two scans tomorrow they are on you and KWhit. If you are both clean then we will have eliminated two of my three danger scenarios from the above post. We then can work together to publish the water list with all of us in complete trust.

Thursday - Vince runs two scans, Penny scans Vince. At this point if Vince is clean then we have eliminated the three biggest threats and we're running three scans every night on a diminishing group of people as the number who get water continues to shrink.

I like this plan. If we clear Hoops tonight, then RD and KWit (I don't really agree here, but if the group wants it, then so be it), and they all turn out clean, then we'll know for a fact that Bek, KWit, Hoops, RD, and myself are clean. Then, after I scan Vince, if he turned out clean, thats 6 people cleared for sure and Vince and my scans will be narrowed down to like 6 people which we could go through in 2 nights.

[RealDeal]

I'm open to any combination of Mr. W and Vince-scanning as long as you are scanned tomorrow.

[RealDeal]

I feel like Hoopsguy is trying to weasel out of being scanned. Call me paranoid, but I want to make sure he is Vince-scanned.

[hoopsguy]

I'm happy to be scanned by anyone who is a survivor at any time through whatever mechanism they can use.

[pennywisesb]

I feel like Hoopsguy is trying to weasel out of being scanned. Call me paranoid, but I want to make sure he is Vince-scanned.

I see your point here. I think a Vince scan for Hoops is the best move here. I might be paranoid too, but having control of the water supply is a big deal and I want to make sure he's clean. I would also like Vince to scan Mr. W tomorrow I think because if he comes up clean, then RD would be clean most likely.

[RealDeal]

I cant get over how Pass was able to type out his own comment and subject it to his emphatic power. I didn't know you could do that. Why didn't you just do something like take half of the uncleared people and say "A,B, C and D" are not spawn" and then if its no, use your second emphatic statement on "A and B are not spawn."?

If you can use your emphatic power on your own statement, then Mr. W should type out his own carefully tailored statement and check it out.

[hoopsguy]

Cool. Do we have a post from RealDeal that says "I am not a spawn"?

[pennywisesb]

Blade has me wondering about Mr. W now. I don't know if we can trust any "scan" he does until he is cleared as being a survivor.

[hoopsguy]

If I'm being scanned tomorrow, then I'm not being scanned by MrW tonight. And I still think we need to be sure that all three of the bad scenarios I outlined earlier (water, docs, officers) are cleared ASAP. So I would want either KWhit or RealDeal scanned by MrWednesday tonight if I'm on deck for tomorrow.

[RealDeal]

I am not a spawn.
I am not a spawn.
I am not a spawn.

[Passacaglia]

I think hoops needs to be scanned TODAY. If he's spawn, can't he pretty much kill us tonight if we don't lynch him?

[pennywisesb]

Then have him scan RD tonight, because I KNOW KWit is not spawn.

[RealDeal]

No because Kwhit and I are going to check his list and overrule anything fishy.

[SnDvls]

Raiders Army! Not Raider's Army, not Raider Army, not Raders Army!!!!


sorry man...multi tasking work/this game you hit a wrong key sometimes.

Hell look at how often my name is wrong in this thread and you don't see me screaming :mad:

get over it, it's a typo/accident/error/failure to hit the correct key.

sorry man.....now go correct my name in this thread too! :)

[SnDvls]

dola-

just to appease him

vote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

In what way do you not trust MrWednesday?

- He used his empathic power on Day 3, helping us to get Dubb by his actions, if not his voice in the discussion (he did not stake a strong position against Dubb, just verified that RealDeal had scanned and been honest with the results). Would he have faked this role? Very doubtful.
- As an engineer he was not on an Away Team until Day 3, when Ardent used the Miracle Worker. So no worries about conversion there.
- Are you worried he was converted by the Spawn Queen on Night 2, the only night that is an unknown for us pre-LiftOff? If you were a spawn, would an engineer have been your target? Maybe - he wouldn't be protected, but it is not a high-value role later in the game

I don't see him as either original spawn or converted spawn based on the above. But someone please jump in if they think I'm missing (or leaving out) important data in this review.

Still, lets say that he is spawn. Would he accuse a survivor of being a spawn? That guarantees a one-for-one trade, which is not a good scenario for the spawn unless they have some serious numbers going for them. So he'll most likely say that the person is a survivor either way.

As the water guy, I'm likely to let go of people who do not have a significant role to play. MrWednesday will fall in this group. So we don't need to scan him - he won't be with us Thursday morning unless he is a spawn and can survive without water. And then we lynch him.

[pennywisesb]

Point noted Hoops. I just get worried when we are relying on scans from people who haven't been cleared.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'll be turning in a list of 9 names tonight (0.75 now + 1.5 overnight). Everyone is still alive tomorrow, but there will be some thirsty people. I'll then be able to have a list of six names for every day the rest of the way as long as the spawn don't damage the water.

So there is no way I could kill everyone tonight. If I was evil the worst I could do would be the following:
9 names tonight - everyone alive next day
6 names tomorrow (no new names) - 9 alive next day
6 names (same) - 6 alive next day

So as the water guy if I was working against the crew that is the worst-case scenario. It is brutal, but not a ton worse than the best scenario I can offer:
9 names tonight - everyone alive next day
6 names tomorrow (new names) - with lynches factored in, probably everyone still alive
6 names the next day (new names) - 12 alive, 6 thirsty and 6 not thirsty

Keep in mind the best-case scenario here might not be our best strategy in terms of going after spawn. But it is the most people that I can keep alive.

All of these scenarios assume that I'm around and that the water supply continues to work at its current rate (not damaged).

[Fouts]

I cant get over how Pass was able to type out his own comment and subject it to his emphatic power. I didn't know you could do that. Why didn't you just do something like take half of the uncleared people and say "A,B, C and D" are not spawn" and then if its no, use your second emphatic statement on "A and B are not spawn."?

If you can use your emphatic power on your own statement, then Mr. W should type out his own carefully tailored statement and check it out.

I just got caught up and this bugs me too. I think it is bs that he can say some random statement and check whether it is the truth. I think the guy is lying.

FWIW, if I am going to die of thirst, I'd rather not die because we lynched some harmless vegetable. This is dumb. Lets vote for somebody else.

[RealDeal]

Barkeep: can you use the empathic power on your own statement?

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, see my post above where I crunch the numbers on the water - you don't need to die of thirst for some time. This does remain a danger, but not necessarily a clear and present one.

And lynching the vegetable is what gets us the nurse tomorrow so we have two scans starting on Thursday.

[Fouts]

Where is Mr. W? You gonna use that power or not?

I am NOT a spawn.

[Fouts]

Here is my list of people that need to be scanned;

Hoops (water boy)
Blade (???)
SnDvls (under the radar)
Fouts (not cleared by scan)
Pass (said some weird things)

If I were to be selfish, I would put myself #1, but I don't think I'm the most important person left.

[SnDvls]

Here is my list of people that need to be scanned;

Hoops (water boy)
Blade (???)
SnDvls (under the radar)
Fouts (not cleared by scan)
Pass (said some weird things)

If I were to be selfish, I would put myself #1, but I don't think I'm the most important person left.


under what radar? I'm clean. I didn't give phasers to two people who everyone was questioning, 1 then got one the next night and did nothing (not you fouts). I'm not hiding at all. Scan me, don't scan me I don't care, just quit wasting time with all our decisions. My gut feeling is someone at the top is bad and someone who "cleared" them is too, and we're basing all our info on bad info, but that's just my gut feeling.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sure every single person in this game has at one point claimed they are a villager, so MW should be able to find a statement like that for everyone. You'd be surprised, I think... there was really very little in the way of unambiguous statements in the first couple of days.

[Passacaglia]

MrW, remember, you can verify a statement that you've made.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(ooc) That's an interesting aspect of the power that I had not even considered. I figured based on the role description that I was verifying the truthfulness of something that another character stated.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If any one of the group claiming Absolute Trust has been scanned by Vince, that's good enough for me. So Bek and KWhit join pennywise on the clear list. Right now, it seems almost like everyone that's been acting the most suspicious has been cleared.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Double dola, do we have a definitive check on Vince post-RA?

[hoopsguy]

Wednesday, just to catch you up on some of the conversation today, what I have pushed for is that you scan one of three people tonight: me, Real, or KWhit. It sounds like you are not inclined to scan KWhit based on your above post so I would suggest one of the other two.

I would hope that Vince then follows by scanning the other two in that list that you do not so we can push ahead hard with all of our critical roles (command, medial, water) absolutely cleared. I think this plan makes a lot of sense as long as the spawn do not have big-time numbers. Passacaglia posted earlier that he used empathic to verify that there is more than one spawn remaining.

Pass, can you go back to your PMs and verify what day you put in your requests for empathy? I think this is a critical piece that has not been nailed down yet - your originnal response suggested it was a couple of days ago. The date is important for both, but particularly for Vince since you did say that your spawn question was asked after Dubb was lynched (no new spawn found/killed since then). Thanks.

[pennywisesb]

Double dola, do we have a definitive check on Vince post-RA?

Negative

[Mr. Wednesday]

I dunno... I'm leaning strongly toward Vince being clean, mainly for meta-type reasons: The "attempt to bring RA out of a coma" bit seems to be real, and would barkeep offer it if Vince were really spawn and unable to do anything really doctor-ish at all? Then again... the win from me clearing Vince is that I'm not sure anyone else can do it at this point. (Which would also mean you couldn't fully trust my statement, since Pass has indicated there are two spawn out there...)

[hoopsguy]

Depends on the date of when Pass used his empath. If that is not helpful on Vince (too early), then I'm already on the record multiple times asking Penny to make that his scan on Thursday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Which relies on Penny becoming the nurse when RA dies.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, 100% correct on Penny.

Are you thinking about banking the scan? From a selfish perspective I would hope you use it tonight as it makes water decisions easier for me. Plus you have reminded the spawn that you have an ability that could be detrimental to them, which makes you another resource that would need to be guarded tonight.

Were you in the brig list for tonight? I know that Blade put that in early today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I am not on the brig list.

[Passacaglia]

I checked out Vince well before RD cleared him.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If I scan Vince, even if you don't trust me right away, I'll be proven trustworthy when I die of dehydration. If Penny becomes the nurse, it would free up an additional scan that wouldn't have to be used on Vince, and you would have confidence that Vince was OK.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Since I volunteered in the last post on page 64, I do not have a definitive statement from Vince that I can use. I will either need something older, or I will need to make the statement myself and check it (which seems awfully gamey to me, but if barkeep is OK with it...)

[SnDvls]

Since I volunteered in the last post on page 64, I do not have a definitive statement from Vince that I can use. I will either need something older, or I will need to make the statement myself and check it (which seems awfully gamey to me, but if barkeep is OK with it...)


what if someone else made the statement about Vince?

What if I said Vince was spawn?

could you check that statement to be true or not?

[saldana]

what if someone else made the statement about Vince?

What if I said Vince was spawn?

could you check that statement to be true or not?

interesting concept...that is basically making another medical scan

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sure that if I can check you saying it, I can check me saying it. And if barkeep OKs it, I'll do it. As a point of meta-discussion, I don't think being able to use the ability that way is appropriate. For a statement made by another person, I should be able to check their understanding of its truthfulness, and no more than that.

[saldana]

fwiw, this game is almost impossible to keep track of if you work all day..it took me half an hour to catch up to this point, and courtesy of our former captain, we are at the same spot we were yesterday

vote raiders army

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm going to be leaving in less than 45 minutes, and my access after that time is uncertain. I think that voting for Raiders Army is a bad idea (we have a 0% chance of taking out an active spawn with this vote), but I think it looks like fait accompli so I'll go along with it.

Vote Raiders Army

[Mr. Wednesday]

If we can possibly line up a vote for someone nonessential besides RA, I would strongly encourage it. There is a nonzero chance of getting an active spawn that way, whereas there is a zero chance of getting an active spawn this way.

[Raiders Army]

sorry man...multi tasking work/this game you hit a wrong key sometimes.

Hell look at how often my name is wrong in this thread and you don't see me screaming :mad:

get over it, it's a typo/accident/error/failure to hit the correct key.

sorry man.....now go correct my name in this thread too! :)
But I have vowels in my name.

[hoopsguy]

Pretty weenie, but in Post #1894 Vince says "If I'm spawn" and then puts out an argument. I suppose you could take "I'm spawn" from there to check. I'm not sure if this is more or less BS than the empath saying their own statement and checking it.

Beyond that, I was not able to find a strong denial from Vince even when I brought some heat in his direction.

[Passacaglia]

hoops, I'm spawn isn't a whole sentence. I asked Barkeep if we could use our own statements, and he okayed that. But, going by the rules, that's not a sentence.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This statement is made for empath abilities only.

Vince is not spawn.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd just like to make the suggestion... since I may not get the chance to pass on information, should I be attacked, and since it's helpful for the spawn to have Vince's status up in the air, I may be worth protecting tonight. I'd suggest holding off on doing it for as long as possible, though, so that I'll have the opportunity to go public (if I can get online...)

[hoopsguy]

Have you sent the PM to Barkeep at this point?

[Raiders Army]

...

[Barkeep49]

LIke clockwork, SnDvls posts a list of people who recieve phasers tonight and they are Sndvls, hoops, blade, schmidty, pass, fouts.

I have sent the results to Mr. Wednesday. Also phasers may only be used offensively by a vigilante.

[hoopsguy]

Pretty quiet here tonight.

[Barkeep49]

You all gather around the hospital bed. With very little fanfare you disconnect the tubes keeping Raiders Army alive. When he doesn't die right away someone takes his pillow and smuthers him. That does the trick. While his death might have been pretty clean, what comes next is not, as you tear apart the body looking for any sign that he might be a Spawn. However, you find no remaining indication of him being a Spawn and conclude that in the end he was a SURVIVOR

Tally
Raiders (10) - Bek, hoopsguy, Lathum, Mr.Wednesday, Passacaglia, pennywisesb, Raiders Army, Saldana, Schmidty, sndlvs, Vince

Night actions due to me by 9 AM.

[Vince]

Just checking in from my uncle's office (where I'm not supposed to be on the computer :)). Lots to say, but right now no time.

I will put this out there.

I am not spawn.

Hopefully that will make Mr. Wednesday's decision easier -- I think we have many more encouraging targets than myself...hoopsguy needs to be cleared instantly, because he is in charge of water right away, while KWhit and RealDeal, whom I'm not very worried about, are also in a position where it would help if we knew they were spawn immediately. I have been scanning people since the suspected infection, and I will continue to do so tomorrow. I'll even put myself in someone else's care tomorrow -- pick a 100% clear person, and I'll scan who THEY want me to. If you really are worried about me, clear the more important people now, and then work on me Thursday with pennywisesb.

[Blade6119]

You all gather around the hospital bed. With very little fanfare you disconnect the tubes keeping Raiders Army alive. When he doesn't die right away someone takes his pillow and smuthers him. That does the trick. While his death might have been pretty clean, what comes next is not, as you tear apart the body looking for any sign that he might be a Spawn. However, you find no remaining indication of him being a Spawn and conclude that in the end he was a SURVIVOR

Tally
Raiders (10) - Bek, Blade6119, Fouts, hoopsguy, KWhit, Lathum, Mr.Wednesday, MrBug708, Passacaglia, pennywisesb, Raiders Army, RealDeal, Saldana, Schmidty, sndlvs, Vince

Night actions due to me by 9 AM.

i dont believe i voted Raiders army...im pretty sure i abstained and chose to not vote

[hoopsguy]

OK, initial thoughts on the list for nine tonight.

My major driver here is to ensure that as many surivors as possible have the option to get water on Wednesday night if something should happen to me between now and then. That is my biggest driver, not protecting primary roles if they are not 100% proven. All things being equal, public role is the secondary decision point. The final decision is if there is still a chance to use a private role that is useful.

Highest Trust
Saldana - showed public role of duplicant yesterday
Pennywise - combination of Absolute trust and cleared by Vince, potential nurse

Working off the idea that these two are for sure clean, here are the next set
KWhit and Bek - if Pennywise is telling truth then Absolute Trust holds up
MrBug - cleared by Saldana

From here on out, the evidence is a little more circumstantial
RealDeal - cleared by his use of duplicant roll, officer insurance if KWhit is killed
Passacaglia - cleared by RealDeal, should trust him if I'm accepting RealDeal
Blade - will try to keep the brig available to secure resources
SnDvls - came down to him or Fouts, wanted someone with security role and he both allocates phasers and can protect

Out for today
Mr. Wednesday - already have three engineers in the water group, will have no further secret role to use, not absolutely cleared
Vince - not absolutely cleared. Wish he was.
Lathum and Schmidty - cleared by Vince post-RA, so not absolutely cleared without secondary review
Me - I'll be allocating water to myself tomorrow, not worried about random if I'm not around to hand it out
Fouts - not enough info in any direction



I expect I'll have to rank these, so I'll be doing that as well. I'm putting these out here now to leave some time for someone to issue me an order to change the list. I would like that duly noted by the rest of the crewmates.

I also would note that if the ship water supply is protected tonight (I'll be manning my post) then I'll be able to give water tomorrow to each of the six people who did not get water tonight.

Providing the water list will count as my Day action for tomorrow, but I'm supposed to provide the list during the night cycle (see Post #1).

[hoopsguy]

Also note that I can look at modifying this list if we get word from MrWednesday tonight.

[Fouts]

Well, good thing you have engineers getting water. I'm sure they can help guard or spy for you. Oh they can't? Then what are they doing? Drinking water.

[Barkeep49]

i dont believe i voted Raiders army...im pretty sure i abstained and chose to not vote
You're correct. For some reason it copied all of the names from my spreadsheet of votes instead of the ones I highlighted. Fixed now to not reflect everyone.

[Fouts]

One thing I just thought of. If we come back thirsty tomorrow, does that clear us of being a spawn?

[hoopsguy]

They can repair a structure (water) that is damaged. And the ones I have put on the list have been able to demonstrate some survivor cred.

Fouts, I'm denying myself water tomorrow as well in an effort to show some kind of unity for the people who aren't getting water. If we are successful in protecting our water tonight and tomorrow then we may be in a position where I never have to decide to kill someone through dehydration for the rest of the game.

15 now, we will lynch one tomorrow = 14
14 tomorrow night, I'll allocate water for six and everyone lives through water
14 Thursday morning, we will lynch one = 13
13 Thursday night, I would be able to keep 12 alive (6 and 6)

So if the spawn kill one person, or we mutiny, or anything happens to bump up the number of kills to lynchings+1 then I'll never have to kill someone through water deprivation.

[hoopsguy]

I would love for that to be true, Fouts. I'll wait for Barkeep to answer and modify my list accordingly if that is the case.

[hoopsguy]

I would love for everyone visiting to comment on this. This is a very important decision, particularly if I was to perish this evening.

[Blade6119]

I would love for everyone visiting to comment on this. This is a very important decision, particularly if I was to perish this evening.

Its a toss up..while its nice to play straight up, we could have 2-3 spawn alive...at which point i bet at least one is on our trust ladder and were fighting an uphill battle...witholding water could be a useful tool to weed out spawn, but you have to be sure on who you give it too and not just because someone cleared someone...realdeal is considered clean after being cleared by mr. w who you dont trust??

Who voted for me that day??...id love to compare whos left without a secret role in the group to place the incorruptible person

[hoopsguy]

Post #2028 contains the Brig list for tonight - Vince, Bek, KWhit, and Pennywise

Since the medical staff is under lock and key tonight, and we have not seen an attack in the brig over the last few days, I would encourage the security personnel to pay attention to the water supply and me tonight. Either protect or spy.

Keeping Blade and the Brig viable should also be a concern, but with water assuming an absolute role for the rest of the way this may be a luxury we don't have. But those decisions are not mine to make.

[KWhit]

I feel safe in the brig with this group. I know that myself, Bek, and Penny are clear, and I still think Vince is clear. I'd like to focus our efforts on some of the non-cleared guys tomorrow, but I understand if you want to scan your new captain.

[SnDvls]

I would love for everyone visiting to comment on this. This is a very important decision, particularly if I was to perish this evening.


I will volunteer to go with out water for tomorrow

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I did not absolutely follow the previously established trust ladder when putting together that list.

I felt like I had to put either Lathum or RealDeal on this list, although with KWhit in the brig tonight this is debatable. We know that RealDeal used his Duplicant role at one point in the game, meaning he started as a survivor. He was not on either Away Team mission. Which makes Night #2 the only time he could have been converted - and we don't know for sure that there was a spawn attack that night.

Lathum has not used his interrogation role since getting the power (public role) and has not been involved in a private role. Finally, Lathum has not been around during the day and would be less likely to contribute to hard decisions late in the game. This final factor was not a major point in the decision, but it counted for something.

[hoopsguy]

Sun, as of right now just about everyone who got water today will not get water tomorrow. But thank you for volunteering.

It is not getting water on Thursday that matters for the people who get it tonight. But if we defend our water each night then this won't be a huge purge.

[Barkeep49]

Spawn may become dehydrated, however, if they are deprived of water for 2 days they will stay dehydrated and not die.

[hoopsguy]

Friday night vote - post #1469
Final Tally:
Blade (5) -- Fouts, jeff, Kwhit, mrbug, sndvls
Fouts (3) -- hoops, realdeal, saldana

Blade, we have publicly revealed roles for Jeff and KWhit. Not from the other three. Since you wanted to work on the Incorruptible angle.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I did not absolutely follow the previously established trust ladder when putting together that list.

I felt like I had to put either Lathum or RealDeal on this list, although with KWhit in the brig tonight this is debatable. We know that RealDeal used his Duplicant role at one point in the game, meaning he started as a survivor. He was not on either Away Team mission. Which makes Night #2 the only time he could have been converted - and we don't know for sure that there was a spawn attack that night.

Lathum has not used his interrogation role since getting the power (public role) and has not been involved in a private role. Finally, Lathum has not been around during the day and would be less likely to contribute to hard decisions late in the game. This final factor was not a major point in the decision, but it counted for something.

i fully agree with that...im not debating the logic of real over lathum...i started the real bandwagon yesterday, and still think its higly suspicious..i just dont like everyone assuming hes clear because w cleared him

We dont know for sure he had a duplicate roll...he claims to, but could fake it easily...with 3 or less spawn they are all council and can talk to each other...they know all the spawn...if real was spawn he could easily say he scanned you and cleared you...people can fake duties...empaths might have never checked any comments...for all you know im not the gut feeling...just because people say stuff doesnt matter...faking duties and the aformentioned of spawn know who guilty and not makes me suspicious...they could clear 3 goods becuase they know we are and be trusted...im just paranoid of everyone since we dont seem to have a lot of hard evidence.

Im just doubting some things, like pass holding those empath reads until i called him out on it and then not really justifying the time table of when he used the powers...everyone i have felt was bad has been good soo far, so im looking at realdeal and pass, who i generally trust...we all know i dont think lathum is good, but this deep in the game i think the spawn are on a lot of peoples trust list and sitting pretty, not about to die

[Blade6119]

Spawn may become dehydrated, however, if they are deprived of water for 2 days they will stay dehydrated and not die.
Will suvivors become dyhydrated on day one and spawn not till day 2?

[Barkeep49]

Will suvivors become dyhydrated on day one and spawn not till day 2?
I don't quite understand this question. Spawn with no water will look the same as survivors on day one, if they so choose. On the second consecutive day of no water survivors will be dead while Spawn will not.

[hoopsguy]

All dehydrated after one day without water, but spawn don't die after two days without water.

[Barkeep49]

All dehydrated after one day without water, but spawn don't die after two days without water.
Correct

[Blade6119]

cool, thnx barkeep...now im just waiting to hear what hoops thinks of my long post

[Vince]

Well, I obviously want water for selfish reasons. I'm not entirely finished working for the evening, so as usual, I'll probably post my thoughts late night.

[hoopsguy]

If RealDeal was clever enough to fake the duplicant role on Day 3 of the game, clear the Doctor who was getting attacked left and right, and contribute to the decision process that got the Hive Mind strung up then I guess he has outwitted me.

If anything, I think there is a better chance that Saldana would have sent the PM to Barkeep asking to fake the role. But I also think that someone faking the role would have executed it to clear two people. Unless there are more than three spawn, they can all talk to each other and plan their moves. So the bad guy fake roles are usually fairly well thought out, since their co-conspirators can help identify flaws before they execute the move.

This is all conjecture - but this how I see it when I try to put project these two as spawn. I don't think either one is, which is why they were on tonight's water list.

[Blade6119]

If RealDeal was clever enough to fake the duplicant role on Day 3 of the game, clear the Doctor who was getting attacked left and right, and contribute to the decision process that got the Hive Mind strung up then I guess he has outwitted me.

If anything, I think there is a better chance that Saldana would have sent the PM to Barkeep asking to fake the role. But I also think that someone faking the role would have executed it to clear two people. Unless there are more than three spawn, they can all talk to each other and plan their moves. So the bad guy fake roles are usually fairly well thought out, since their co-conspirators can help identify flaws before they execute the move.

This is all conjecture - but this how I see it when I try to put project these two as spawn. I don't think either one is, which is why they were on tonight's water list.
Dont just look at those two, look at others like pass' suspect timing on his reveal..holding back his "ino" till he got called out...stuff like that could easily be bs

[hoopsguy]

Vince, the risk here is that:
1.) You are not spawn
2.) I'm offed tonight, leaving you subject to random water tomorrow night

I've put this list out there to allow the senior officers to overrule my selections if they feel the need to do this.

Also, there is a chance that I've put this list out there as a lure for the spawn (in terms of shaping their night actions) and that my criteria and selections are completely different. But would still have to listen to a specific overrule from a senior officer.

[Barkeep49]

Spawn cannot fake private roles in the way hoops suggested. Now I'm not suggesting saldana is innocent, but I will vouch that whatever he was doing, he was not faking a private role

[hoopsguy]

Pass is a more likely spawn than the other two for me, Blade. I know that I've asked a couple of times for more details on the timing of his scans and never gotten an exact date.

RealDeal cleared him using duplicant power(doc short scan) on Day 3, so if you are accepting RealDeal then you are accepting Pass. I can't come up with a scenario where RealDeal is a survivor and Pass is a spawn. But it is possible they are both spawn.

I'm advocating a scan of RealDeal tomorrow by Vince, which would go a long way towards further clearing both of these guys.

[Vince]

Vince, the risk here is that:
1.) You are not spawn
2.) I'm offed tonight, leaving you subject to random water tomorrow night

I've put this list out there to allow the senior officers to overrule my selections if they feel the need to do this.

Also, there is a chance that I've put this list out there as a lure for the spawn (in terms of shaping their night actions) and that my criteria and selections are completely different. But would still have to listen to a specific overrule from a senior officer.
Well, that is a risk, and the only reason I want water. I know that if you are not killed tonight, I'm about 99.9% sure to get water tomorrow, so I'm not really worried. But I would like to hope that even if your trust in me isn't completely there (totally understandable, though annoying :)), the importance of my role to the team would kick me up enough to get me water, on the off chance that I get killed the day after tomorrow because I didn't get water tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Thank you for the info, Barkeep

[saldana]

thanks for the assist barkeep....as far as me being a spawn goes, i cant say or do anything more than i already have, not to mention i volunteered to be left off the water list and left to die because we dont need all these engineers. dont waste your votes on me, if hoops listen to me, i will be dead in 2 days anyway.

[Mr. Wednesday]

My scan did not officially go off during the day, so I will not officially know the results until tomorrow. Therefore, I may require protection tonight, regardless of the outcome: if Vince is spawn, obviously they would want to protect him, but if Vince is not spawn, then killing me would create doubt about whether he can be trusted.

[hoopsguy]

This also sets up an interesting scenario if MrWednesday comes back with news tomorrow that Vince is spawn. If I'm around we have the option to deny water to one (or both) of those two after going through all of the posts by each of those guys and trying to identify who their co-conspirators may be.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, why would a request that was entered before the night deadline not have been processed during the day actions?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I would argue that you should not give me a water ration: knowing whether or not I am spawn is valuable, and my only continuing use is if something should get broken again. Obviously, you can make a final decision on that later, but I think sacrificing myself in this situation will probably make sense; even under the best of circumstances, we're looking at needing at least one more day, and we're going to lose some people to dehydration. I'm one of the least valuable members of the crew.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hoops, I'm assuming that he wants both the request and my public response to go off during the day.

[Blade6119]

I have sent the results to Mr. Wednesday. Also phasers may only be used offensively by a vigilante.

This seems like barkeep saying it went through and now w says he wont know till morning??

[Blade6119]

Spawn cannot fake private roles in the way hoops suggested.

Could be a clue that he say only the way you suggested, meaning the way i said is quite open to the spawn..something to heavily ponder :eek: :eek: :eek:

[hoopsguy]

Post #2155 says that he sent you the results, MrW. So what gives?
LIke clockwork, SnDvls posts a list of people who recieve phasers tonight and they are Sndvls, hoops, blade, schmidty, pass, fouts.

I have sent the results to Mr. Wednesday. Also phasers may only be used offensively by a vigilante.

That was posted one hour before the night deadline.

[hoopsguy]

The problem is that this plays a role in who we guard for tonight. No offense, but I would like to make sure we can guard the water as effectively as possible tonight. I don't think it makes sense within the game to provide an opportunity for spawn to attack you this evening if you properly ran the scan during the day actions.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's exactly as I stated in 2191 and 2195.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, hopefully Barkeep can officially confirm that.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, going back to your Post #1276 I'm not sure I see what method that you think they are using to execute any kind of fake.

RealDeal was shown acting within the message that Barkeep posted. Barkeep replied to my Saldana post saying that the private role could not be faked in this way.

Fake empath never checking comments is something that I think could be legit. But are you suggesting MrW or Pass in this scenario? I thought I responded with my thoughts on Pass.

[Passacaglia]

But MrW, that doesn't make sense -- how could Blade have sent you the results an hour before the deadline, but it didn't officially go off during the day?

[hoopsguy]

MrW, that is why I posed the question to Barkeep initially. Because if you are making a move while invoking the GM then I think we have the right to ask him to clarify. On the flipside, he has been very good about responding to questions about game mechanics, which I think this would fall under.

[Blade6119]

Blade, going back to your Post #1276 I'm not sure I see what method that you think they are using to execute any kind of fake.

RealDeal was shown acting within the message that Barkeep posted. Barkeep replied to my Saldana post saying that the private role could not be faked in this way.

Fake empath never checking comments is something that I think could be legit. But are you suggesting MrW or Pass in this scenario? I thought I responded with my thoughts on Pass.
Could not be faked as you said, with a pm and barkeep posting...i mean someone like wednesday or pass saying they scanned this comment or that and not actually doing it...thats is very likely to me, but others may doubt...i had doubted real's duplicate until barkeep said it cant be PM fake, which real would have required i believe since his scan was in a barkeep message

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, Blade's right about that. RD's scan was in a barkeep message -- he followed us around. So that clears me, which means I have no reason to lie about being an empath.

[Barkeep49]

To answer why the gag on W: it has to do with the cycles and what goes on. This is why originally the Spawn weren't even allowed to talk to each other originally during the day. Daytime is the time of the survivors. Actions get processed right away. People can know what is going on as much as is possible by their (and my) checking of the board. Anything can, and should, go.

Night, however, is the time when the Spawn are supposed to have the advantage. Introducing new information at night just isn't fair for the Spawn.

Some of of you might not like this reasoning. I admit that this was a tough judgement call and so if given good reasoning why this should not be so, I would be willing to lift the gag. However, that's where I stand, and why.

[hoopsguy]

Well, the spawn do have the ability to speak/PM during the day. They now know that MrW has scanned Vince and can react to those results to either 1.) protect Vince or 2.) frame Vince. And survivor actions such as guard duty and water allocation are impacted by this as well.

That is my best effort at good reasoning. Obviously I'll abide by whatever way this plays out. I'm glad you posted this rather than leaving MrW to be hung out to dry until tomorrow morning.

[hoopsguy]

Just to expand on the above ideas - spawn would normally have the night to spin MrW's revelation but survivors would also have had the last hour of the day to integrate this info into a lynch decision. Since we didn't have that opportunity, it now impacts survivor night actions in a way that I think artificially aids the spawn as we are entering a critical juncture in terms of water allocation.

[hoopsguy]

Finally, some of the guards may have posted their actions earlier without access to this information. I would hope that if someone has already sent their actions in that you would give them an opportunity to re-deploy if they now feel that is an optimal strategy.

[Barkeep49]

Finally, some of the guards may have posted their actions earlier without access to this information. I would hope that if someone has already sent their actions in that you would give them an opportunity to re-deploy if they now feel that is an optimal strategy.
I don't have any problem with people sending in multiple night actions ever, so this is fine by me.

[hoopsguy]

I'm mainly concerned if they are not logging back in tonight - for example, Fouts and SnDvls were on earlier (in night cycle) but is not around now.

None of Fouts, SnDvls, or Schmidty was around when I looked five minutes ago at the currently signed in list.


Edited to add SnDvls was also on during night cycle, but not online now.

[Barkeep49]

I'm mainly concerned if they are not logging back in tonight - for example, Fouts and SnDvls were on earlier (in night cycle) but is not around now.

None of Fouts, SnDvls, or Schmidty was around when I looked five minutes ago at the currently signed in list.


Edited to add SnDvls was also on during night cycle, but not online now.
Help me on the last part? If these people aren't around what difference does Mr. W saying or not saying make?

[hoopsguy]

Maybe I'm not understanding properly - was the information vaulted because MrW was not going to be around to comment on it until after the day cycle had passed? If he had been around at 7PM when you posted (Post 2155) would that have been OK to release then? Because he was online at both 6:21 and 6:32 (posts 2151 and 2152).

[hoopsguy]

I guess I think that if they checked in after the day cycle was up then then had the right to all of the information from the day cycle, at the very least, when committing their night cycle actions. But I see your point as well.

I'll pull back from the debate at this point - I don't want to create controversy (any more than I already have, I suppose) or damage what has been a fun game. Your decisions stand and we can discuss the ramifications in the post-game wrap-up if poeple feel they are worthy of discussion then.

[Barkeep49]

Ok hoops has me. While I think this is the right thing, as I haven't imposed the limitation on anyone else revealing something during the night before. If I had been more available during the day today he would have been able to post the information. Therefore I will lift Mr. W's gag order, primarily as it has not been a uniformly enforced rule.

[hoopsguy]

Right now this feels a little bit like a tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it :)

At some point I need to get some sleep, so I hope that people are online tonight and able to react to this if MrW makes it back before morning. And I'm hoping that his news does not die with him - it gets messy for us either way if he is a chalk outline come 9AM.

Thanks, Barkeep. Once again, we can discuss the ramifications of this in the post-game chatter.

[Blade6119]

ya...im here...watching this just knowing mr. w wont come back lol...but i have to assume over all this that w is clean...would barkeep do all this cover for a bad guy?

[Blade6119]

and also, lathum has posted in the newer warewolf, but not here...but the work excuse no longer flies as he is confirmed to be around now but has not added anything here...something to keep an eye on

[Bek]

i was just looking over what happened in the past few days and something really came to mind (yes it did take awhile) but blade sure is talking a lot...i know he does this a lot in game...and out of game as well(personal experience)but he stops just before we seem to push him over the edge...he talks and talks about wanting to be scanned knowing that we wont because we have others we are more focused on at the moment. I'm sure i can find more evidence if need be...its late and i'm typing it just to get it out there...so you all can ponder over this as i do the same

[Bek]

dola-

i will be back in the morning to further update you all with my evidence

[Blade6119]

lol, my poor lost sheep, where was it that you fell astray? Ill answer any questions you all have if you believe him...im the warden with gut feeling secret...besides that ill answer his criticisms as they come...right now i see he said i talk alot, and well, i think everyone knows that...hell, ardent ingnore listed me for talking too much

[Fouts]

I'm back online waiting for Mr. W's revelation. Unfortunately, I may be too thirsty to protect someone/thing. Maybe an engineer can protect them.

[Bek]

we can bicker about this all tomorrow if i have to but it can really be solved quite easily...SCAN BLADE...it needs to be done sooner or later...rather sooner

[Blade6119]

while waiting for his response, heres evidence i see against me:
Pushed for vote day one(against general consensus of group)
Didnt vote for marc...didnt vote for schmidty either, but still
Pushed extremly hard for vince, and with him realdeal and mr. w.
Believed dubb
Pushed for fouts, who was semi-cleared by jeff later that day and missed dying by 1 minute(thnx for being slow pass!!! ;) )
Went against RA vote to go after lathum(who despite not using it still has a powerful role)
Pushed hard for ardent, another villager(is that like 3-4 now?)
has never been scanned
No one clears him or connects to him
Has switched up the brig multiple times(except the time vince was attacked, when king ordered the brig)


Where shall i begin?

[Blade6119]

we can bicker about this all tomorrow if i have to but it can really be solved quite easily...SCAN BLADE...it needs to be done sooner or later...rather sooner

ive called for it, and would be glad to have it happen...but im starting to see the big picture...i dont agree scanning kwhit, since penny was scanned and they clear each other, but others like hoops are more important to the team...but if the team feels differently please do scan me

[Vince]

ive called for it, and would be glad to have it happen...but im starting to see the big picture...i dont agree scanning kwhit, since penny was scanned and they clear each other, but others like hoops are more important to the team...but if the team feels differently please do scan me
Blade, I hate to say it, but I said it already, so I guess why should I blush now? I and others think you are practically useless. We also suspect you because of many things, pushing against me while I was guaranteed to be clear, generally being weird (sorry, it's late, and I'm not digging through the thread to remember all of it), etc. Since your job/role isn't really all that helpful at this point in the game, we can 'use' you as our lynch this evening and avoid having to take out a critical role while at the same time killing a suspected Spawn and saving my scans for critical roles. I think you are the no-brainer choice for tomorrow's lynch.

[Vince]

Ah...so much has happened. So where we stand, by my account:

1) We're waiting on Mr. Wednesday to clear me.
2) Tomorrow, we find out if Pennywisesb will successfully become the Nurse on Thursday.
3) Blade seems like a good candidate for lynch. (Is this horse dead yet?)
4) Hoopsguy, KWhit and RealDeal(?) seem to be the big choices for my scans tomorrow? I'm not sure about RealDeal, since I thought he was pretty firmly in the "good guy" camp, but at this point I'm up for scanning anyone. I think I'm about 100% certain I should scan hoopsguy tomorrow, not so sure on my second scan. We'll figure something out tomorrow, I guess.

Warning: conspiracy theories ahead.

What I'm worried about after today is that the discussion about Mr. Wednesday and what he is going to do with his last remaining empath viewing was done out in the open and in complete view of the public. Now the spawn realize that offing Mr. W can make me look pretty bad -- as if I was covering my ass, so to speak. If I were a Spawn, I would totally attack him this evening, as it would kill an innocent (Mr. W), and give a pretty good shot at eliminating the Spawn's greatest threat right now (by implicating me, the Doctor). On top of that, since there is more than one spawn left, it would be a pretty solid play for one of them to 'sacrifice' themselves in order to eliminate me -- again, I am the biggest threat to the spawn, as I can not only find them, but kill them.

I'm not sure what to make of the muzzling of Mr. Wednesday, and the subsequent removal of the muzzle -- perhaps to give the Spawn time to respond to the new (I guess unexpected?) information? I don't know -- this sounds more like meta-gaming to analyze that part of it, so I'm going to back off that portion.

This is all just paranoia talking, I'm sure. I think tomorrow (and the subsequent days) should be all about figuring out who to scan -- we're starting to run low on water, and I don't want to start losing people.

[Vince]

Ok, off to bed. I expect to get up early, but I'm gone nearly all day tomorrow. I work (stupid people calling in sick, and making me pick up a shift on my day off) from 10 AM to 3 PM (PST), then I go up to San Francisco because I won a contest for selling a bunch of Sam Adams. I get a free meal (including all alcohol free), and I'll probably be having a pretty good time :) No werewolf for me though :( Hopefully I can get all my scans and such done early in the morning.

[Blade6119]

Im still at a loss for why you want to scan kwhit...you believe their is even a chance al three absolute trust people are spawn?? I just dont believ that is even a possibility, so why waste a scan on him?? I think that is as stupid as wasting the points trying to revive RA...vince, sometimes i like your thoughts, this game i havent...maybe next game ill agree more

Honestly, ive said im willing to die for days...you do what you gotta do...

Hoops has to be scaned, and w should scan you...i dont know why you need to scan realdeal after what hoops said, but i dont get a lot of your ideas so far

[Vince]

I think that is as stupid as wasting the points trying to revive RA
You (and everyone else in this game) have no idea how frustrated I am/was that you did not want to try to revive Raiders Army. He could have led us right to the last spawn. I figured that continuing to try to revive him would do nothing but make me look suspicious, and the last thing we needed was people having more ammunition to throw my way, especially given the vital nature of my role to the survivors.

As for the scans, like I said in the post -- I'm only sure about the Hoopsguy scan. I don't necessarily want to scan KWhit or RealDeal, but it seems that everyone else thinks that they are important people to clear. Like hoopsguy, I'm not entirely certain of the absolute trust group -- but I also think there might be more compelling people to scan. I am especially not sure about scanning RealDeal, since I was fairly certain he was WAY up on peoples' trust lists about now. Again, that list could be wrong -- I'm tired, and I haven't taken the time to go through everything from today like I normally do.

[Vince]

The more I think about it, the more worried I get about hoopsguy. I'm looking forward to scanning him tomorrow, because I am extremely worried about how we will be affected if he is Spawn. He's been pushing against me for quite a while now, and he's never been confirmed (though he has been open enough with admitting he wants to be scanned).

In any case, I'm off to bed. Goodnight all.

[Vince]

Last thought -- I seem to remember something about Blade wearing a different colored shirt today? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm tired, and don't know...but this merits some discussion, I think.

[Blade6119]

Typically the crew wears their standard uniforms. Privates wear red, for instnace. Typically security staff wears a lovely shade of yellow. Today, however, when Blade posts the list of people who will spend the night in the brig, that he is wearing neon green. Is it a bid to get attention from people he's feeling ignored by? Who knows. What is known is that Vince, Bek, Kwhit, & Pennywise will be in the brig tonight.

Why would i try to draw attention to myself if i was spawn...?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ...especially when im not claiming to know the spawn(like when i was turncoat), just pointing out leads that people may or may not follow

[Raiders Army]

You all gather around the hospital bed. With very little fanfare you disconnect the tubes keeping Raiders Army alive. When he doesn't die right away someone takes his pillow and smuthers him. That does the trick. While his death might have been pretty clean, what comes next is not, as you tear apart the body looking for any sign that he might be a Spawn. However, you find no remaining indication of him being a Spawn and conclude that in the end he was a SURVIVOR

Tally
Raiders (10) - Bek, hoopsguy, Lathum, Mr.Wednesday, Passacaglia, pennywisesb, Raiders Army, Saldana, Schmidty, sndlvs, Vince

Night actions due to me by 9 AM.
Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Who was someone???

[Barkeep49]

The night passes with-out event. There is some question about whether some big revelation will come, but it never comes and people fall asleep. In the morning everyone wakes up. No one has died, and nothing is damaged. Did the intrepid security staff scare the Spawn? Perhaps it was hoopsguy guarding the water plant or maybe it was SnDvls protecting hoopsguy? Or perhaps it was Fouts standing loyally byt he door to Mr. Wednesday's quarters? Whatever it was, it certainly wasn't because of Passacagalia who simply lurked around the whole night trying to stay of site.

While that is positive, the fact that some of the crew is thirsty today is not. Vince, Lathum, Mr. Wednesday, Schmidty, Fouts, and Hoopsugy will no doubt be looking a little parched today as they struggle to do their duties with-out having drunk anything.

One person who does look well is Pennywisesb who after taking a look at some of the books is confident that he will be able to master the duties of a Nurse starting tomorrow.

Ship’s Status

Room Reports
Engineering – Fully Operational
Water Plant – Fully Operational
Water Supply – NO RESERVE
Security Headquarters Fully Operational
Brig – Empty
Weapons Locker – 6 phasers

Crew Status

Command Staff
Captain - KWhit
First Officer - RealDeal
Second Officer - Lathum DEHYRDRATED

Engineers
Saldana
Mr.Wednesday DEHYRDRATED
MrBug708
jeff061
Bek

Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince DEHYRDRATED
Medic - pennywisesb

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - sndlvs EXHAUSTED
Warden - Blade6119
Galley Master - hoopsguy EXHAUSTED & DEHYRDRATED
Security Crewman - Fouts EXHAUSTED & DEHYRDRATED
Security Crewman - Schmidty DEHYRDRATED
Security Crewman - Passacaglia EXHAUSTED

Deceased
Marc Vaughan Executed Day 2 (Spawn)
Dubb93 Executed Day 3 (Hive Mind)
Kingfc22 Killed Night 3 (Survivor)
Jeff062 Killed by Captain Ardent's Orders Day 5 (Survivor)
Ardent Enthusiast Killed by mutiny Night 5 (Survivor)
Raiders Army Executed Day 6 (Survivor)

[Lathum]

and also, lathum has posted in the newer warewolf, but not here...but the work excuse no longer flies as he is confirmed to be around now but has not added anything here...something to keep an eye on
OK, this alone makes me suspiscous of blade, that is a pretty weak argument. I belive my post in the other thread was

I would have voted for realdeal...

BUT I WAS AT WORK AND MISSED THE VOTE!!

VOTE BLADE

[Passacaglia]

Geez, these spawn are tough to pin down by spying. I spied on hoopsguy, and obviously, he didn't do anything.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Vince is spawn.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(And since I never got back on after barkeep lifted the gag order, the whole mess wound up going for nothing. :p)

If you prefer not to trust my conclusion, you should be able to be certain tomorrow, when I'm dead of dehydration. Unfortunately, since Vince got no water ration going into today, you'll have to make a decision on whether or not to spend water on him.

[RealDeal]

why did Vince not get water today? That doesn't make any sense.

[Vince]

(And since I never got back on after barkeep lifted the gag order, the whole mess wound up going for nothing. :p)

If you prefer not to trust my conclusion, you should be able to be certain tomorrow, when I'm dead of dehydration. Unfortunately, since Vince got no water ration going into today, you'll have to make a decision on whether or not to spend water on him.
That seems to be a pretty easy decision then, spawn. Neither of us gets water. I'm going to fight like hell to get water myself, but you clearly can't be trusted. And now that I've been thrown under the bus, I'm probably out as well. The question is, can Pennywisesb become the Doctor if he's not a Nurse yet when I die?

The nurse has 'a small chance to become the doctor' if the doctor dies. Can we risk killing me off? Not having a doctor for these final crucial days is going to be a pain in the ass for the survivors. Here's the way I see it...

Right now, I'm totally in the spotlight. Mr. Wednesday is as well -- because I claim that he is a liar. You guys have to pick who you are trusting -- the Doctor, who has done exactly one thing wrong to this point (failing at curing Raiders Army), or Mr. Wednesday, who is attempting to get the doctor killed. You all have the luxury of having both of us at Dehydrated. An easy way out for you all would be to simply eliminate our water supply for tomorrow -- one of us dies, the other survives, you lynch that one the following day, and you have Pennywisesb left to find any remaining spawn. I hate this option, because I die. BUT, it will free me up to scan more people today (rather than waste a scan on Mr. Wednesday), and the game might be over by tomorrow when you can lynch Mr. Wednesday after he does not die of dehydration.

[Vince]

why did Vince not get water today? That doesn't make any sense.
Hoopsguy is still suspicious of me. I smell a rat, but I can scan him today, so he'll be either dead or in the clear.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Given the importance of the doctor role, I'm fine with everyone gunning for the other spawn (because remember, Pass determined that there were at least two). And I think that the decision on water is a difficult one... setting aside my own personal conviction in my knowledge, I'm not sure what the right decision is on whether or not to give Vince a ration.

[Vince]

Ok, what are our options? I have about an hour, and then I leave. I propose the following plan:

I scan Hoopsguy and one other person (not named Mr. Wednesday or Blade). I'm not exactly sure who that other person should be...Fouts? SnDvls? Who is least trusted at this point? That's the other person I scan.

We vote off Blade -- he's another suspect, and is rather useless at this point, as I've been arguing.

Mr. Wednesday doesn't get water. If he's telling the truth and is a survivor, he dies of dehydration tomorrow.

I get some water. If I'm lying, and am Spawn, it makes no difference, BUT you don't risk losing your doctor if I happen to be telling the truth.

This plan gives us 5 different people who are cleared. We find out about the two people I scan, Blade (lynched), Mr. Wednesday (potential dehydration death) and myself (if Mr. Wednesday isn't lying, we find out he's a survivor once he is lynched, and I'm lynched tomorrow in return). On top of that, if we don't get a spawn, we're guaranteed one tomorrow (me).

Thoughts?

[Mr. Wednesday]

The risk of giving you water is that someone else will have to go short (and I don't think we have enough to cover everyone besides me that's dehydrated). It's not a trivial decision, I don't think.

[SnDvls]

I'd scan Fouts, he's been on the not trusted list several times by many people here.

[Vince]

I'm pretty sure we have enough water for 6 people, correct? That would mean if you don't get water, there are five of us who need water. Everyone else would survive, because they'd only be on their first day of no water. Then by the next day, after all the carnage, we have a very good idea of who needs water and who doesn't.

[Vince]

Geez, these spawn are tough to pin down by spying. I spied on hoopsguy, and obviously, he didn't do anything. Didn't he guard the water? And if he didn't guard the water, what did he do (he's exhausted and dehydrated)?

I'm going to send in my short scan of hoopsguy now. We need to decide who else I'm working on today other than him quickly (I have to leave for work within the hour, and I'm gone all day).

[pennywisesb]

Wow, this is getting crazy. Now, can we really trust Vince's "scans"? He could be spawn like Mr. W said. I have a feeling though that he's not spawn and that Mr. W. just played a very dangerous game. Just my thoughts at this point.

[Vince]

Wow, this is getting crazy. Now, can we really trust Vince's "scans"? He could be spawn like Mr. W said. I have a feeling though that he's not spawn and that Mr. W. just played a very dangerous game. Just my thoughts at this point.
Well, I'm really unsure as to why he would do so. He had to know that I would fight like hell against it, and that it would be difficult to lynch me anyways, because my role is hugely important.

An added benefit of waiting to kill me until tomorrow is you will definitely be the Nurse then, and then there's a chance you become the doctor. And though you've been cleared 'after' my proposed infection, I don't think there's many people who doubt you at the moment.

[pennywisesb]

Disclaimer: This is all hypothetical ASSUMING Mr. W. is telling the truth. I just want to play devils advocate here.

Is there any hard evidence that Raiders Army was in fact a spawn when Vince scanned him? IF Vince is spawn, he could have had some special power or something that allowed him to put RA into a coma and thus throwing suspicion on RA and not on himself. Obviously, I'm grasping at straws here, but there has been SOME suspicion on Vince already and I want to make 100% sure he's clean.

Now, when RA was lynched, Barkeep stated that RA was a survivor. My question to Barkeep is this: When someone is healed by the Dr., are there any identifying marks showing that the person who was healed was at one time a spawn? This is obviously a huge question because it would show if Vince really did heal him, or did something like the scenario I typed above.

[Vince]

Disclaimer: This is all hypothetical ASSUMING Mr. W. is telling the truth. I just want to play devils advocate here.

Is there any hard evidence that Raiders Army was in fact a spawn when Vince scanned him? IF Vince is spawn, he could have had some special power or something that allowed him to put RA into a coma and thus throwing suspicion on RA and not on himself. Obviously, I'm grasping at straws here, but there has been SOME suspicion on Vince already and I want to make 100% sure he's clean.

Now, when RA was lynched, Barkeep stated that RA was a survivor. My question to Barkeep is this: When someone is healed by the Dr., are there any identifying marks showing that the person who was healed was at one time a spawn? This is obviously a huge question because it would show if Vince really did heal him, or did something like the scenario I typed above.
Do you honestly think that I could possibly be a spawn before RA? If so, I personally orchestrated the deaths of multiple spawn (Dubb and RA, in the Brig attack fiasco) early in a game in which the bad guys are WAY outnumbered. If I'm playing this role as a Spawn I probably would sacrifice one of my own guys early...but definitely no more than one. And probably not after the team got lucky as hell by nailing a spawn with the first lynch vote (albeit on the second day).

Even if I was Spawn prior to Raiders Army's scan, the rules in this game have been very laid out and proper, and Barkeep has answered almost any question that has been posed to him. Though the coma came out of left field, I think it would have been published if my role had the power to do that at will, and I think that I would have been using that power more often afterwards.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wow, this is getting crazy. Now, can we really trust Vince's "scans"? He could be spawn like Mr. W said. I have a feeling though that he's not spawn and that Mr. W. just played a very dangerous game. Just my thoughts at this point. If I'm playing a dangerous game, what game am I playing? What happens when I die of dehydration that works against the survivors? I'm even encouraging you not to vote for Vince today, because I think that suggestion would be too divisive. I'm putting my information on the record and encouraging you to wait to use it until it's verified.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is there any hard evidence that Raiders Army was in fact a spawn when Vince scanned him?I think RealDeal's scan (which I verified) is pretty conclusive evidence that Vince was not spawn going into the RA scan.

[pennywisesb]

I think RealDeal's scan (which I verified) is pretty conclusive evidence that Vince was not spawn going into the RA scan.

Ok, so there was evidence, so do you have any ideas how Vince could have been converted to spawn after you cleared him since you are stating now that he's spawn?

[RealDeal]

I'm not sure what to do right now, but I'm sort of puzzled by the water distribution choices last night. I'm still trying to decide what I think of it.

[Vince]

Ok, well I'm out for the day. I hate that I have to leave, especially since I am bound to be a major topic of discussion today, but them's the breaks. Barkeep has my actions, and a little note about what to say for me based on the results.

I vote Blade.

[Vince]

PS -- if you haven't already, please check out my plan (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=900707&postcount=2245) in post #2245.

[RealDeal]

I'm ok with that plan. Basically, my gut feeling is that if you are spawn, we are fucked anyway, so might as well go forward like you are not spawn. I suggest your second scan go to Sndlvs, who I'm suspicous of.

I'm happy to vote out Blade. I've tried to keep my distance from him considering our history, but honestly I'm really tired of him and it would be a pleasure to lynch him tonight, spawn or survivor.

vote Blade

I still could change my mind on this. I'm still thinking about the water distribution.

[Barkeep49]

Like a flash people start to think back to yesterday. They now recall Real Deal going up to Hoopsguy and giving him some instructions about the water list. And so this morning, who appeared to have gotten water, wasn't who actually got water.

Indeed the poeple who are actually dehydrated are:
Mr.Wednesday
Vince
hoopsguy
Fouts
Schmidty
sndlvs

My apologies to Real and hoops but I forgot that Real had sent in some orders about the water list. I should have posted Real giving the orders yesterday but failed to do so.

[Barkeep49]

The crew seems reluctant to believe that Vince is really a spawn and so when he calls in hoopsguy and KWhit into his office, both go willingly, and perhaps it could even be described as eagerly. Both come out a little while later. When Vince emerges he says

"Well, they are both clean gentlemen. My fate is now in your hands."

Note that the above line was given to me by Vince to post were this the result.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, can anyone come up with a scenario where Vince was converted to spawn AFTER he was cleared? I can't, and so I'm inclined to think Mr. Wed. is definately spawn and is just trying to get the doctor lynched. At this point I don't know if voting Blade is the best option, because I don't think he's shown any allegiance with Mr. W. I think anyone who've aligned themselves with Mr. W. is probably who we should be looking at.

I wish we didn't waste a scan on KWit.

[SnDvls]

The crew seems reluctant to believe that Vince is really a spawn and so when he calls in hoopsguy and KWhit into his office, both go willingly, and perhaps it could even be described as eagerly. Both come out a little while later. When Vince emerges he says

"Well, they are both clean gentlemen. My fate is now in your hands."

Note that the above line was given to me by Vince to post were this the result.


Why waste a scan on Kwhit and not do me or Fouts as was proposed? That is fishy and very spawnish.

[SnDvls]

Like a flash people start to think back to yesterday. They now recall Real Deal going up to Hoopsguy and giving him some instructions about the water list. And so this morning, who appeared to have gotten water, wasn't who actually got water.

Indeed the poeple who are actually dehydrated are:
Mr.Wednesday
Vince
hoopsguy
Fouts
Schmidty
sndlvs

My apologies to Real and hoops but I forgot that Real had sent in some orders about the water list. I should have posted Real giving the orders yesterday but failed to do so.

Real Deal what's the point of dehydratign almost all of your security crew? Not only are we all exhausted from protecting, but now we're thirsty.

[RealDeal]

In case you are wondering, I specifically ordered that sndlvs and fouts be kept off the water list. Hoopsguy didn't include Fouts on the list, but did include sndlvs, and so that is the change in the list.

[RealDeal]

I dont understand scanning Kwhit either.

[SnDvls]

In case you are wondering, I specifically ordered that sndlvs and fouts be kept off the water list. Hoopsguy didn't include Fouts on the list, but did include sndlvs, and so that is the change in the list.


actually you added me and removed Lathum....error in omission or mistake on your part to forget to metion that?

[SnDvls]

I suggest your second scan go to Sndlvs, who I'm suspicous of.



and what have I done may I ask to arouse your suspicion?

not hand out phasers to 2 people who others on her openly questioned?
who once cleared were given phasers?
give me a break, and give me proof.

[RealDeal]

No, I didn't specifically add Lathum. My order was merely that Fouts and you would not be on the list. I assume barkeep decided who would replace you.

You haven't been cleared, sndvls, it's that simple. We are at the end of the road and have to make some tough choices here.

[pennywisesb]

Why waste a scan on Kwhit and not do me or Fouts as was proposed? That is fishy and very spawnish.

If you are going to throw suspicion on vince as his actions being spawnish, can you come up with a scenario where Vince was converted to spawn after he was cleared earlier in the game by RD and Mr. W.? If not, throwing suspicion at him as spawn, makes me more suspicious of you at this point to be honest.

[SnDvls]

If you are going to throw suspicion on vince as his actions being spawnish, can you come up with a scenario where Vince was converted to spawn after he was cleared earlier in the game by RD and Mr. W.? If not, throwing suspicion at him as spawn, makes me more suspicious of you at this point to be honest.


when was Vince cleared?
By whom?
who cleared that person?

do the chain.

why would he throw up two names and pick someone totally random? that's what is spawnish.
Could he have been converted in an attack in the birg? I don't know? I just think it's crap that's all. He had a chance to clear either Fouts or I. The latter of which is all of the sudden being accused of being spawn and he chooses Kwhit who was already cleared by someone.

The two(?) spawn out there have powerful roles now and they are using them to change the game, that is all I'm saying.


added-- come up with a scenario where I was converted to ask you the same question you ask me? There isn't one...period

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Barkeep- could you please answer my PM question, thanks

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when was Vince cleared?
By whom?
who cleared that person?

do the chain.

why would he throw up two names and pick someone totally random? that's what is spawnish.
Could he have been converted in an attack in the birg? I don't know? I just think it's crap that's all. He had a chance to clear either Fouts or I. The latter of which is all of the sudden being accused of being spawn and he chooses Kwhit who was already cleared by someone.

The two(?) spawn out there have powerful roles now and they are using them to change the game, that is all I'm saying.


added-- come up with a scenario where I was converted to ask you the same question you ask me? There isn't one...period

RD and Mr. W. cleared him which at this point doesn't say much, especially because I think Mr. W is spawn. But, RD's actions have been very pro-survivor, and so I'm inclined to believe him. Thats all I'm saying. Like RD said, we're nearing the end portion of the game and now its time to try to bring the spawn out.

Also, I don't understand why you would need to be converted. You could have started out as spawn.

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Also, I don't understand why you would need to be converted. You could have started out as spawn.


fine show me where I did anything to support this theory of yours then.

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