Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[jeff061]

Well, I'm the seer. I'm one of the few that can actively find (and kill) Spawn outside of a lynch. I think last night they were trying to kill me, rather than convert me (I could be wrong though), and by sheer luck, I prevailed. I almost told Barkeep that I wanted to remain vigilant tonight, to gain the Resistant attribute...but decided that I would probably be safe in the Brig, as an attack would paint a huge target on everyone else in the brig. I assumed wrong.

I know, but your one(granted the more powerful one) of two, which was my point.

[Raiders Army]

My interpretation was that I was unsure how many people were attacking me -- sometimes it seemed like 3, other times just 2. The only thing I was sure of was that I fought off the attack, and I felt damn good about myself for it.
Uh...I'm not spawn, but I do have a tendency to sleepwalk. If you felt both of my hands on your shoulders and then something else...

I was sleepwalking!!!


(okay, this was all just a joke)

[Poli]

Vote pennywise.

I trust the doc.

[Vince]

Spawnling Attack

A successful spawnling attack causes a person to become infected and (surprise) become a spawnling. A spawnling attack starts with a 40% chance of success. Up to two other people may join the attack for a 40% increased chance of success (in other words up to 120% base chance of success). A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack. Otherwise Spawnling attacks follow the rules for General Attacks.
May launch or join a regular or Spawn attack...
May launch or join a regular attack and may join a Spawn attack
The only person who can launch a spawn attack is the Queen. Once she goes down, no more new spawn, as long as we're off the planet.

[jeff061]

Does the Scientist provide anything post-liftoff?

[Vince]

Damn it, I keep procrastinating hoping that Barkeep will post the results of my scan. :) I need to leave, damn it.

[Raiders Army]

Barkeep said that even as spawn you can execute your role so as not to draw suspicion. I have a feeling this is what you are doing. Also, if you are spawn, you would already know who is spawn and who isn't, so it wouldn't be hard to "clear" people.
Ah, but look at who I cleared. They're pretty friggin important people. If I were spawn, it would be a good strategy for me to "out" Vince, have you lynch him and then I would be lynched. The aliens would be down one spawn, but there would be no other seers within the game.

At this point, however, I don't feel the need to defend myself. I'm a survivor (I have Destiny's Child running through my head), and I'll be cleared shortly. I just found it somewhat amusing.

[saldana]

barkeep, can we get a rule clarification on this? can the spawn queen make conversions, or once we are out of here, is the number of spawn set and they have to try and kill us?

[Vince]

Ok, turning off the computer. Good luck gentlemen, I will hopefully see you all in a few hours.

[jeff061]

I'm leaving any minute and am probably going to be spotty til tomorrow(maybe not)

So...
Vote PennywiseB

I'll probably check in before the deadline and see if I should switch.

At this time I find it very hard to believe that both Vince and RA are good, though I haven't gone over the scenarios in depth. I just can't imagine us heading into night 3 and the most damaging roles to the spawn are clean.

[Poli]

I do find it hard to believe Vince could fend off two attacks.

[jeff061]

And why was Vince so confident that he wasn't infected now when a "kick" had him examining(and curing) himself yesterday?

[Raiders Army]

I'm leaving any minute and am probably going to be spotty til tomorrow(maybe not)

So...
Vote PennywiseB

I'll probably check in before the deadline and see if I should switch.

At this time I find it very hard to believe that both Vince and RA are good, though I haven't gone over the scenarios in depth. I just can't imagine us heading into night 3 and the most damaging roles to the spawn are clean.
I am clean as a whistle. I expect some people to get off my freaking back once Vince exonerates me. :)

[Vince]

Because I didn't fend off the first. I lost the first battle. This last one I won.

[jeff061]

Unless you are both spawn :p.

[Vince]

F***ing digital crack, I swear. I can't leave.

[pennywisesb]

Ah, but look at who I cleared. They're pretty friggin important people. If I were spawn, it would be a good strategy for me to "out" Vince, have you lynch him and then I would be lynched. The aliens would be down one spawn, but there would be no other seers within the game.



Who you've cleared has no relavence to what I said. As a spawn you are allowed to perform your role so as not to draw attention to yourself. I think you and dubb shot yourselves in the foot last night because if I'm lynched today, and everyone see's I'm no spawn, you guys are going to be next on the list.

[jeff061]

I want to be clear, I got no evidence against either of them, other than the opinion that they are both HUGE targets, and if both of them are clean either we are missing something, have been lucky, or the spawn are screwing up.

[pennywisesb]

Vince, why are you still here if you "turned off" your computer ;)

[jeff061]

Werewolf is like potato chips.

[Poli]

Where be my dinner?

[Raiders Army]

Who you've cleared has no relavence to what I said. As a spawn you are allowed to perform your role so as not to draw attention to yourself. I think you and dubb shot yourselves in the foot last night because if I'm lynched today, and everyone see's I'm no spawn, you guys are going to be next on the list.
Maybe it's because I haven't been as intent on this game of WW as others, but I just don't see how it's you vs. me. *shrug*

[Vince]

Vince, why are you still here if you "turned off" your computer ;)
F***ing digital crack, I swear. I can't leave.
:)

[pennywisesb]

Maybe it's because I haven't been as intent on this game of WW as others, but I just don't see how it's you vs. me. *shrug*

Well, if you haven't noticed, Vince implicated 2 out of the 3 other people who were in the brig with him. I know I'm not spawn, which means you and dubb must be. So its not me v. you, its me v. you and dubb ;)

[jeff061]

With that in mind, I ask again, is Dubb nothing but a private post launch? Are there spacewalks or anything?

[Poli]

Dubb will be serving dinner after we launch.

[Barkeep49]

Vince calls for his next patient Raiders. The two enter his office and are in there a while. When they emerge both are talking with serious expressions on their faces.

[Barkeep49]

Dubb will be serving dinner after we launch.
Ardent if you want to launch please do the Vote for Liftoff action so that I know it's official.

[saldana]

post #740 barkeep

[Poli]

Vote for Liftoff.

Just for effect. :)

[Poli]

Vince calls for his next patient Raiders. The two enter his office and are in there a while. When they emerge both are talking with serious expressions on their faces.
Well, they didn't die. I bet his butt hurts.

[Barkeep49]

post #740 barkeep
Thanks.

Even before Vince can examine Raiders you hear a large rumble. A cheer goes up through-out the ship! You have left that miserable planet behind you. If you make it home you will be rich. Now it is just a matter of survival!

[Poli]

Now his butt hurts. Buckle up for safety.

[Raiders Army]

Well, they didn't die. I bet his butt hurts.
Yes, Vince told me I was pretty big.

[Poli]

Says the nurse.

[KWhit]

Vince calls for his next patient Raiders. The two enter his office and are in there a while. When they emerge both are talking with serious expressions on their faces.
Hmmmm....

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, I had asked a question about the queen creating spawnlings post-liftoff yesterday. I'll try to find that post number ...

[Barkeep49]

The ship has left the planet but then something goes wrong and Raiders Army falls into a deep coma. In this coma he is unable to speak or vote.

[Poli]

Well, that means we don't have to give him water. That's easy.

[Schmidty]

The ship has left the planet but then something goes wrong and Raiders Army falls into a deep coma. In this coma he is unable to speak or vote.

:confused:

[Poli]

;)

[hoopsguy]

From Post #264 - Barkeeps replies to a series of questions

Q:After lift-off, no new survivors can become infected. Does the mean that spawnling attacks can no longer infect?
A: Yes, the Spawn Queen loses her ability to create new Spawn.

[hoopsguy]

We never had anyone in the medic role, correct? Just doctor and nurse? That was one of the roles listed on the first page in the encyclopedia of rules.

[Raiders Army]

Says the nurse.
(I know I'm not supposed to speak, but I think this is okay)

That's pretty cheap. You know I'm sensitive with being the nurse. *sniff*

[saldana]

no there was no medic

[saldana]

From Post #264 - Barkeeps replies to a series of questions

Q:After lift-off, no new survivors can become infected. Does the mean that spawnling attacks can no longer infect?
A: Yes, the Spawn Queen loses her ability to create new Spawn.

excellent, thanks, so we are only fighting against being wounded or killed now, not infected, unless during a medical exam from my interpretation of the rules

[Barkeep49]

excellent, thanks, so we are only fighting against being wounded or killed now, not infected, unless during a medical exam from my interpretation of the rules
Correct. And there is indeed no medic, but privates may become medics

[Poli]

(I know I'm not supposed to speak, but I think this is okay)

That's pretty cheap. You know I'm sensitive with being the nurse. *sniff*
I say we jettison the body. He's in a coma. He won't be waking, he won't be needing water. ;)

[Barkeep49]

I say we jettison the body. He's in a coma. He won't be waking, he won't be needing water. ;)
Actually he WILL need water if you want him to live. Jeez, the man's had a rough day and then you want to cause him to shrivel up and die!

[Blade6119]

i think im the only one who is super suspicious of vince...i metioned it yesterday, but it just seems sketchy...for him to get attacked in the brig is quite interesting, and he said 2 or 3 which means he thinks everyone else in the brig was bad...i dont buy we put 4 in and 3 were spawn....everybody else seems to trust him, but i dont....

Vote Vince for now

[KWhit]

For reference:

Long examination Day Only The doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn, the doctor will learn this, and will cure the crew member. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor will have a chance to cure the crew member. There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected.

[RealDeal]

Looking at the rules, I can't figure out what has happened to RA to cause him to go into a coma. If he was spawn, and Vince tried to fix him, then it should either succeed or RA should die.

[Blade6119]

Actually he WILL need water if you want him to live. Jeez, the man's had a rough day and then you want to cause him to shrivel up and die!

Terry Schiavo all over again

[hoopsguy]

We can lynch the vegetable :)

I'm kidding. But I am interested in what Vince learned about Raiders during the scan - prior to the coma.

[KWhit]

I assume it was a long exam (but it could be short).

This is the part that worries me: There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected.

So RA and Vince could both be spawns now.<!-- / message -->

[KWhit]

Can we lynch more than one person per day?

[RealDeal]

i think im the only one who is super suspicious of vince...i metioned it yesterday, but it just seems sketchy...for him to get attacked in the brig is quite interesting, and he said 2 or 3 which means he thinks everyone else in the brig was bad...i dont buy we put 4 in and 3 were spawn....everybody else seems to trust him, but i dont....

Vote Vince for now

I scanned Vince today. My reading of the doctor short exam explanation is that it does not give false reads. If he had been spawn, I would have died, if he had been spawnling I would have had a chance to cure him, but the accuracy of my read is not subject to chance.

Vince came up clean on my scan. Voting for the doctor with no evidence on the same day he got a clean scan makes absolutely no sense to me.

[pennywisesb]

I still think RA and Dubb are both Spawns. I'm VERY interested in what Vince's scan turns up.

[RealDeal]

I assume it was a long exam (but it could be short).

This is the part that worries me: There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected.

So RA and Vince could both be spawns now.<!-- / message -->

The only chance that Vince was infected is if RA was spawn. If RA was spawnling, then Vince would cure him no problems, according to the description. I think we have to assume that RA was spawn. If Vince was infected, hopefully he can tell us, so we can figure out what to do about it.

What I don't understand is RA being in a coma. The rules say nothing about that. It appears that the person was either supposed to live or die. The coma confuses me.

[Barkeep49]

Can we lynch more than one person per day?
No. One person per day you blood thirsty fiend. It's amazing with officers like these that this crew has any class :)

Real is correct that a doctor's short exam cannot give a false report.

[saldana]

only thing i can think of is that the coma is a precursor to RA's dying...its unfortunate for us that vince is not around for the rest of the night

i wonder if the coma would count as "wounded status", in which case, AE could promote pennywise to medic and he could cure RA

[Raiders Army]

I say we jettison the body. He's in a coma. He won't be waking, he won't be needing water. ;)
That's bullshit pal. I didn't tell anyone about your herpes!

[KWhit]

I think it is very possible for Dubb to be a spawn now. He would be a prime target for them since he is basically guaranteed to be on every water mission and could easily sabotage them. And since the first one, we've had pretty bad luck with them.

I'm beginning to get suspicious of Vince too.

[Poli]

Actually he WILL need water if you want him to live. Jeez, the man's had a rough day and then you want to cause him to shrivel up and die!
Times are tough. Survival of the fittest.

[Schmidty]

I don't know what to think anymore.

[pennywisesb]

only thing i can think of is that the coma is a precursor to RA's dying...its unfortunate for us that vince is not around for the rest of the night

i wonder if the coma would count as "wounded status", in which case, AE could promote pennywise to medic and he could cure RA


Here's the deal so far as far as I see it. RA or Vince is definately spawn. Now, we don't know if RA is now in a coma because he is a spawn and the exam did this to him, or if Vince was spawn and whatever he did, put RA into his coma. I would love a promotion to Medic, though I don't know about healing RA until we decide which option seems most likely.

[KWhit]

If RealDeal is to be believed, then Vince is okay.

If Vince is okay, then some (maybe 2, maybe 3) of the others in the brig last night are spawns. I guess that's the direction we should go, but I'm not sure.

[pennywisesb]

If Vince was not spawn, and he did an inspection on RA (who was spawn), Vince would die right? Or am I way off here?

[Poli]

That's bullshit pal. I didn't tell anyone about your herpes!
I refer to those as love warts. We are sailors, after all.

[KWhit]

Here's the deal so far as far as I see it. RA or Vince is definately spawn.
Right. And if Vince is spawn, then RealDeal is also spawn since he cleared Vince earlier today.

[KWhit]

If Vince was not spawn, and he did an inspection on RA (who was spawn), Vince would die right? Or am I way off here?
Long examination Day Only The doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn, the doctor will learn this, and will cure the crew member. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor will have a chance to cure the crew member. There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected.

[Barkeep49]

only thing i can think of is that the coma is a precursor to RA's dying...its unfortunate for us that vince is not around for the rest of the night

i wonder if the coma would count as "wounded status", in which case, AE could promote pennywise to medic and he could cure RA
The coma is not the same as wounded.

[RealDeal]

If Vince was not spawn, and he did an inspection on RA (who was spawn), Vince would die right? Or am I way off here?

No, a short exam means automatic death for the scanner and the target if the target is a spawn.

Vince did a long exam. He has a chance of curing the spawn, a chance of killing the spawn, and a chance of being infected.

[Poli]

only thing i can think of is that the coma is a precursor to RA's dying...its unfortunate for us that vince is not around for the rest of the night

i wonder if the coma would count as "wounded status", in which case, AE could promote pennywise to medic and he could cure RA
Despite being a captain, I somehow can't promote anyway. Major flaw.

[Poli]

Vince needs to clear the air.

[Schmidty]

Right. And if Vince is spawn, then RealDeal is also spawn since he cleared Vince earlier today.

Agreed. Now where does that leave us? Who do we vote for? Obviously the choice comes down to either Vince or Pennywise. If we vote Vince and he's spawn, then RealDeal is and we hopefully get the win within a day or two. BUT, if Vince isn't the spawn, then we lose the Doctor, which is huge.

[pennywisesb]

Agreed. Now where does that leave us? Who do we vote for? Obviously the choice comes down to either Vince or Pennywise. If we vote Vince and he's spawn, then RealDeal is and we hopefully get the win within a day or two. BUT, if Vince isn't the spawn, then we lose the Doctor, which is huge.

Why are we still voting for me? I think we've agreed that either RA or Vince is spawn.

[pennywisesb]

Also, I think I can be promoted to medic which would be very valuable to the grew after liftoff.

Also, I see one of two options here as far as spawn goes: either vince and realdeal are the spawn and Vince was lying about the attack, or RA and Dubb are spawn and Vince was telling the truth.

[KWhit]

Or you are spawn.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, are there roles in this game that have not been published? Or is the list in post #1 the sum total of all roles in the game?

[Schmidty]

Also, I think I can be promoted to medic which would be very valuable to the grew after liftoff.

Also, I see one of two options here as far as spawn goes: either vince and realdeal are the spawn and Vince was lying about the attack, or RA and Dubb are spawn and Vince was telling the truth.

You forgot one other option: RA and you are spawn.

[RealDeal]

I think RA was spawn, considering the strange result of Vince's long exam, but we need to know the result of Vince's exam:

1. Was RA cured? If not, then we should let him die. If he was cured, then it would be nice to heal him.

2. Was Vince infected? If so, then we definitely need to heal him.

3. Considering that RA was likely spawn, then I think we should vote for Dubb, since RA volunteered to scan him. That scan, which happened before RA was examed by Vince, can't be trusted.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, are there roles in this game that have not been published? Or is the list in post #1 the sum total of all roles in the game?
No that tome covers all the roles :).

[hoopsguy]

Also, if Marc was the Queen or the Hive mind we would have had those revealed when he was lynched, correct? The fact that those were not revealed as his role would seem to indicate that there are at least those two spawn roles still out there and have been from the outset without changes in who holds them.

[pennywisesb]

You forgot one other option: RA and you are spawn.

I guess being the first one to out RA means I'm spawn right? Come on. Why wouldn't I put pressure on Vince then if I was a fellow spawn with RA?

[hoopsguy]

If there are no hidden roles then I'm thinking RA was spawn and is now in the process of being cured. I'm guessing the cure takes a day to process. This is total guesswork on my part, but I can't come up with another reason for him to be in a coma.

[pennywisesb]

There's no point for a one for one exchange right now for the spawn. I'm not a spawn.

[hoopsguy]

Subject to change after hearing from Vince:
Vote Dub

[Schmidty]

I guess being the first one to out RA means I'm spawn right? Come on. Why wouldn't I put pressure on Vince then if I was a fellow spawn with RA?

To keep from pointing fingers at people that could hurt you more? I don't know.

All I know is that Vince, who you claim is clean, is voting for you. Just seems odd.

[Raiders Army]

It's not a tumaaaaa!!!

I hate not being able to talk.

[KWhit]

If there are no hidden roles then I'm thinking RA was spawn and is now in the process of being cured. I'm guessing the cure takes a day to process. This is total guesswork on my part, but I can't come up with another reason for him to be in a coma.
Hmmm... Maybe, but Vince cured himself anddidn't go into a coma, right?

[Poli]

Quiet, sick boy.

[pennywisesb]

To keep from pointing fingers at people that could hurt you more? I don't know.

All I know is that Vince, who you claim is clean, is voting for you. Just seems odd.

I've never claimed Vince is clean. I'm suspicious of him, but RA is #1 on my list since he was in the brig and Vince is claiming he was attacked (so basically I'm giving Vince the benefit of the doubt until we hear how his scan of RA went).

[KWhit]

I'm currently looking at (in no particular order) Dubb, Vince, and pennywiseb. I figure RA is out of commission right now and not a threat. Who knows, maybe barkeep will explain what's going on when he has RA wake up (if he ever does).

I don't know what to think at this point.

[RealDeal]

Since RA is not a threat right now, and since RA "scanned" Dubb, I vote:

vote Dubb

This is definitely subject to change when I hear from Vince.

[pennywisesb]

Until Vince comes back and gives us an update, I'm very suspicious of RA and Dubb for the reasons I've previously posted. Since RA looks as though he's out of commission, I'm going to Vote Dubb for the time being. Upon further info from Vince I'm willing to reconsider.

[pennywisesb]

Barkeep who is able to promote me to a medic if thats an option for later on since Ardent said he couldn't?

[hoopsguy]

Kwhit, I'm guessing the difference was that Vince was infected and in spawnling status. Raiders was full-blown spawn and thus has a different recovery cycle.

Again, this is speculation with absolutely zero hard information. But until I hear something firm from Vince (or someone convinces me this theory is just plain stupid) this is how I'm choosing to interpret the information we have been presented.

[Schmidty]

I guess I understand the dubb votes, but I don't understand why Vince saying something could change your minds. What could he say? If he was spawn, of course he wouldn't say anything.

Also, everyone is saying Dubb is suspect since he was in the brig last night, but so was Pennywise. Why is he getting off? This reminds me of the Marc Vaughn thing when I was almost lynched for no reason.

[Poli]

This looks like another Ardent coin toss to me.

Was it one if by land, two if by sea, or the other way around:confused:







;)

[pennywisesb]

Also, everyone is saying Dubb is suspect since he was in the brig last night, but so was Pennywise. Why is he getting off? This reminds me of the Marc Vaughn thing when I was almost lynched for no reason.

Schmidty, I was the first one to even bring suspicion on RA. At this point, I don't really think its worth it to the spawns to sacrifice one of their own, for only one other player (that would be if I was spawn and was sacrificing RA). Plus, there was already suspicion on me to begin with, so by calling out RA, who is most likely spawn, this would essentially be throwing us both under the train. Not a good strategy for the spawns. I'm not a spawn.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm working off the idea that RealDeal cleared Vince, which makes me inclined to believe Vince is still on the crew, at least prior to the visit with Raiders.

-They both walked out of the room, which means that they weren't both killed (duh).
-They both had serious looks on their faces, which implies that something came up in their session.
-Raiders is now in a coma.
-There isn't anything that I can read in the list of roles suggesting this behavior and Barkeep has confirmed that there are not unpublished roles.
-Earlier today Raiders scanned Dubb and said he was clean; this claim is dubious if Raiders was spawn material.

So if Vince says anything that suggests that Raiders was in fact clean, then I would look at other candidates besides Dubb. But the points above are the logic on which I have constructed my vote.

[KWhit]

I guess I understand the dubb votes, but I don't understand why Vince saying something could change your minds. What could he say? If he was spawn, of course he wouldn't say anything.

Also, everyone is saying Dubb is suspect since he was in the brig last night, but so was Pennywise. Why is he getting off? This reminds me of the Marc Vaughn thing when I was almost lynched for no reason.
My thought is just that Dubb would make a good target for a possible conversion since he is the scientist. Therefore it is slightly more likely for him to be a spawn.

[KWhit]

Kwhit, I'm guessing the difference was that Vince was infected and in spawnling status. Raiders was full-blown spawn and thus has a different recovery cycle.
Good catch. That's very possible.

[hoopsguy]

Out for a few hours - hope to be back before the vote. Good luck, all.

[RealDeal]

Going after Dubb doesn't mean that I think one way or the other about pennywise. My reason for voting for Dubb is that, assuming RA was spawn, the fact he chose to "examine" Dubb was very suspicious.

[SnDvls]

I've been leaning towards dub all day. Mabey it's because he hasn't been on to defend himself, I don't know.

- I still believe Vince is clean due to RealDeal clearing him
- I think Raiders could have been bad and "faked" the examine on Dubb thus clearing both of them in his eyes.

I'm leaning heavy towards Dubb at this point.

[Schmidty]

Well, I'm working off the idea that RealDeal cleared Vince, which makes me inclined to believe Vince is still on the crew, at least prior to the visit with Raiders.

-They both walked out of the room, which means that they weren't both killed (duh).
-They both had serious looks on their faces, which implies that something came up in their session.
-Raiders is now in a coma.
-There isn't anything that I can read in the list of roles suggesting this behavior and Barkeep has confirmed that there are not unpublished roles.
-Earlier today Raiders scanned Dubb and said he was clean; this claim is dubious if Raiders was spawn material.

So if Vince says anything that suggests that Raiders was in fact clean, then I would look at other candidates besides Dubb. But the points above are the logic on which I have constructed my vote.

First of all, RA never reported that Dubb was clean. At all. We have no idea what happened. The only thing we have to go on, is this quote by Barkeep:

"The crew comes back exhausted and most want nothing more than to lie down for a little bit, but everyone's favorite nurse, Raiders Army is waiting by the hull entrance for one the crew members. When dubb walks by he is pulled aside and the two adjourn to Raiders office. A little while later both walk out laughing at some joke that has been told."

Secondly, if Vince was spawn and RA was not, yet Vince "examined" him, could it have been a bluff, and he really infected him? I have no idea if that's even possible, but it's an idea.

[Passacaglia]

Why do we think Vince is spawn? Wouldn't that mean RealDeal is spawn, too? And wouldn't that mean that I was spawn also? Add in RA and that's 4 spawn, who have all somehow blatantly outed themselves. I don't think it's that easy.

[Passacaglia]

I'm out for three hours, but I'll catch up when I get back!

[Lathum]

Waiting to hear from vince but untill then

VOTE DUBB

[MrBug708]

Waiting to hear from vince but untill then

VOTE DUBB

Me too; On the first part

[pennywisesb]

Why do we think Vince is spawn? Wouldn't that mean RealDeal is spawn, too? And wouldn't that mean that I was spawn also? Add in RA and that's 4 spawn, who have all somehow blatantly outed themselves. I don't think it's that easy.

I think at this point its either RA or Vince. Depending on who is spawn, then there is a domino effect as to who else is spawn. Remember also, that spawns can execute their roles so as to NOT cast suspicion upon themselves so they very well could have scanned certain people, or since they are spawn (and know who the other spawns are) it wouldn't be too hard to "examine" someone and say they are clean to keep us from being suspicious of them.

[kingfc22]

Just caught up with this thread. I really want to know what Vince has to say regarding his scan of RA. That seems to be key right now and I am happy to be on my way home.

[RealDeal]

I'm wondering: if RA was spawn, and Vince cured him, RA would potentially know who other spawn were. That may be why barkeep put the muzzle on him for a while; RA could basically end the game for us if he was spawn and is cured.

[Poli]

UNVOTE PENNYWISE

VOTE DUBB.

Then I saw her face, and now I'm a believer. I got nothing.

[Schmidty]

I guess the reasoning for Dubb is sounds, so I'll go ahead and vote him for now, but if Vince or anyone has a good reason to change my vote, I'll be listening. I'm really curious as to why Dubb has been so quiet.

Vote Dubb

[SnDvls]

I see Dubb lurking now maybe we'll get an answer.

[pennywisesb]

I'm wondering: if RA was spawn, and Vince cured him, RA would potentially know who other spawn were. That may be why barkeep put the muzzle on him for a while; RA could basically end the game for us if he was spawn and is cured.

Very good point Realdeal.

[pennywisesb]

I see Dubb lurking now mabey we'll get an answer.

Something is definately fishy with Dubb. He's not even trying to defend himself here and this seems like a time he should be doing that.

[KWhit]

I'm wondering: if RA was spawn, and Vince cured him, RA would potentially know who other spawn were. That may be why barkeep put the muzzle on him for a while; RA could basically end the game for us if he was spawn and is cured.
I like this theory.

[KWhit]

Something is definately fishy with Dubb. He's not even trying to defend himself here and this seems like a time he should be doing that.
Well it would certainly explain why our away missions went into the shitter.

[kingfc22]

Vote Dubb

[SnDvls]

Well....

vote Dubb

[dubb93]

Something is definately fishy with Dubb. He's not even trying to defend himself here and this seems like a time he should be doing that.

Oh you know if I was here I would be defending myself....

What evidence do you have against me? That Vince claims he was attacked last night by spawn? And RA went into his office and came out unconscious?

Who cleared Vince lately? Real Deal?

I'll say this once, I'M NOT A SPAWN! The first away mission went great, I can't explain the last 2 except Marc was on the first and who knows was on the second to sabotage them.

My best guess at this point, Vince and Real Deal are Spawn and they infected Raider's Army today. Why else wouldn't he of either walked out fine and cured, or why wouldn't both have ended up dead?

Vote Real Deal

Look at how hard he is trying to make me look like the bad guy here. Vince and Real Deal are up to something. Don't let them do this, I'm innocent here guys.

[KWhit]

I see dubb in the thread. Do you have anything to say to try to sway the pack?

[KWhit]

Just a second late on my post.

[dubb93]

Seriously, what evidence do we have that Vince actually cured himself yesterday when he said he did? He's been converted, and look at Real Deal's actions today. He is up to something. I'm not spawn, haven't been attacked, and I sure as hell didnt start the game as a spawn.

Seriously who would be dumb enough to attack someone in the brig? There were only be 4 of us in there, if I was spawn, which I'm not, I wouldn't play that stupid. And of the two "medical exams" today, we have a nurse that cleared me, and a doctor that put the nurse in a coma. Which one looks more fishy?

[Schmidty]

I'd like to hear more from some of the more quiet players such as Fouts. I just have a bad feeling. This reminds me of the WW game where SirFozzie had all of us fooled, and one of the more quiet guys skated the entire time.

[KWhit]

Seriously, what evidence do we have that Vince actually cured himself yesterday when he said he did? He's been converted, and look at Real Deal's actions today. He is up to something. I'm not spawn, haven't been attacked, and I sure as hell didnt start the game as a spawn.

Seriously who would be dumb enough to attack someone in the brig? There were only be 4 of us in there, if I was spawn, which I'm not, I wouldn't play that stupid. And of the two "medical exams" today, we have a nurse that cleared me, and a doctor that put the nurse in a coma. Which one looks more fishy?
You make some great points, but I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that we all want Vince to be telling the truth. He a very important member of our team and if he's a spawn (or worse, if we kill him even though he isn't a spawn) it would be a big blow to our chances.

[KWhit]

Ok. I'm out for a while, but should be checking in later to vote.

[pennywisesb]

I'd like to hear more from some of the more quiet players such as Fouts. I just have a bad feeling. This reminds me of the WW game where SirFozzie had all of us fooled, and one of the more quiet guys skated the entire time.

I agree, Mr. W., Saldana, and Fouts, do any of you guys have anything to add? New ideas, agreements with previously posted ideas, anything?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't have anything to add at the moment. I'll try to check back in before the vote, but with something like five new pages of material since about noon time, there's a lot to process.

[dubb93]

You make some great points, but I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that we all want Vince to be telling the truth. He a very important member of our team and if he's a spawn (or worse, if we kill him even though he isn't a spawn) it would be a big blow to our chances.

I'm not asking you to kill Vince, although the evidence says he's a converted spawn. Take down Real Deal(just take 1 look at his actions today, they are fishy to say the least). If Marc wasn't any major role yesterday, and Vince is converted(since he was cleared by RA on day 1), then Real Deal almost has to be the queen or Hive Mind, unless there are alot more out there than meets the eye.

I am 100% clean and innocent. Give me this one chance guys, you all jumped the gun here today too early and while I was away at work. And you will all pay for it when we are forced to land again and I can't go on the away missions.

I AM NOT SPAWN!!! I can't say that enough. I am completely shocked by the actions here today.

[RealDeal]

Here's what I know:

1. I scanned Vince today and he was clean. Why should anyone else believe this? Well, there is a post of barkeep's detailing my actions. I don't believe there is any way for a second officer to take actions that would result in him following two guys around if he wasn't a duplicant being a doctor for a day, and only survivors can have the duplicant secret role.

2. So I believe Vince since I personally scanned him as clean. Vince says he was attacked by at least one, and probably more than one person. He was in a brig with three people. One of them, RA, scanned Dubb. Vince himself scanned RA. It appears that something was very wrong with RA due to the results of the scan. As such, I assume that RA was probably spawn until Vince says otherwise.

3. So that means I would vote for RA, but RA is in a coma, so there is no point in voting for him right now. RA, before he was scanned by Vince, examined Dubb. Knowing that RA was probably spawn, that scan is suspicious to me.

4. Do I know for a fact Dubb is spawn? Nope. Vince may have only been attacked by one person, and that was RA. Or Vince may have been attacked by two and the second person was Penny. But my gut feeling is that RA volunteered to scan Dubb to cover up the fact that Dubb was a spawn.

I could be wrong about Dubb, but I am 100% sure that Vince was clean as of the time of my scan earlier today. I am also 100% sure that Pass was clean as of the time of that scan.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If RealDeal's examination is correct, then the only way that Vince is spawn is if something happened in his examination of Raiders Army. And that examination happened after Vince's description of what happened in the brig last night.

[RealDeal]

Also, just to point out that if Vince were to be infected, he wouldn't become a spawn straight away. He would be a spawnling for a day. I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I believe spawnlings are still good guys and can be healed.

[Fouts]

Sorry, my DSL has been down all day. I have just now caught up on tons of posts.

Here's what I think;

Status – Exhausted

Exhaustion can be healed after one night of undisturbed rest. Undisturbed rest is defined as not taking an action. Spawn who attack have a small chance of becoming exhausted (which is increased any time there is a Spawnling attack, especially for those who performed the attack).

The only reason I see Vince becoming exhausted while being in the brig is that he attacked someone. Put that together with his not wanting to leave today (because he wanted to defend himself), and RA's status, leads me to the conclusion that Vince is a spawn.

Vote Vince

[Fouts]

If I am wrong, somebody explain to me how Vince can become exhausted in the brig.

[MrBug708]

No reason not to vote Dubb it seems.

Vote - Dubb

[Schmidty]

Sorry, my DSL has been down all day. I have just now caught up on tons of posts.

Here's what I think;



The only reason I see Vince becoming exhausted while being in the brig is that he attacked someone. Put that together with his not wanting to leave today (because he wanted to defend himself), and RA's status, leads me to the conclusion that Vince is a spawn.

Vote Vince

That's a really good point. I need to rethink things, and hear some other opinions on your theory.

[Raiders Army]

!!!!!!!!!!


MMMMMMMmmmmmmffffffff!!!!!!!

[dubb93]

Also, just to point out that if Vince were to be infected, he wouldn't become a spawn straight away. He would be a spawnling for a day. I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I believe spawnlings are still good guys and can be healed.

I don't know what is going on here, I'm clean. I guess if you are infact the duplicate then you are clean too. I don't know what is going on here now. For now...

Unvote Real Deal

[Blade6119]

The only reason I see Vince becoming exhausted while being in the brig is that he attacked someone. Put that together with his not wanting to leave today (because he wanted to defend himself), and RA's status, leads me to the conclusion that Vince is a spawn.

Vote Vince

Exactly, thats another reason i was suspicious...theres no reason in my mind for him to be exhausted besides him lanching an attack in the brig...i dont buy his claims of being attacked, and if i did he didnt cure himself...

One key thing i think is alot of faking duties have gone on, but more then anything the spawn know eachother(is vince the hive, maybe)...he can fake scan anyone and know if they are good or bad...he can scan anyone and give the right answer, or fake scan anyone...i wonder if his scans give him a chance to infect someone...RA isnt in a coma for nothing....

killing dubb(our scientist) badly hurts our chances of missions succedding...wouldn't he be a wonderful person for the spawn to kill...oh wait, were doing it for them

[Blade6119]

No reason not to vote Dubb it seems.

Vote - Dubb

i see him as more important then our doctors or captain..how is the scientist, our key to water, not important...were running short as is and ardent is lifting us off...i just dont get this

[pennywisesb]

Sorry, my DSL has been down all day. I have just now caught up on tons of posts.

Here's what I think;



The only reason I see Vince becoming exhausted while being in the brig is that he attacked someone. Put that together with his not wanting to leave today (because he wanted to defend himself), and RA's status, leads me to the conclusion that Vince is a spawn.

Vote Vince

But if Vince attacked someone, why wouldn't they be coming forward right now? Before RA went into a coma he would have been able to tell us he was attacked and dubb certainly hasn't come forward and said he was attacked. Plus, I know I wasn't attacked so I'm trying to figure this out?

[dubb93]

Prehaps someone was attacked and doesn't know it. Is that possible barkeep? How do you become exhausted in the brig?

[RealDeal]

Do people get exhausted from being attacked?

[Blade6119]

But if Vince attacked someone, why wouldn't they be coming forward right now? Before RA went into a coma he would have been able to tell us he was attacked and dubb certainly hasn't come forward and said he was attacked. Plus, I know I wasn't attacked so I'm trying to figure this out?

if it succeded, why tell us...in past games when guys get converted they dont tell us...the guy he attacked is prob one of the guys supporting the vote on dubb now...hell, one of them is in a coma

[Raiders Army]

!!!!!!!

[SnDvls]

does anyone here absolutely trust Dubb, Vince, Penny, RealDeal, or Raiders?

[SnDvls]

unvote Dubb

[dubb93]

!!!!!!!

God I wish you could talk. Why the fuck did you have to examine me today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't know exactly what happened with Vince last night, but I believe the results of RealDeal's scan, which means that up until scanning Raiders Army, Vince was clean.

Vote dubb93

I'll try to check back in before the vote just in case a better option is presented.

[Blade6119]

!!!!!!!

You hinting at something buddy??? two for yes

[Schmidty]

does anyone here absolutely trust Dubb, Vince, Penny, RealDeal, or Raiders?

To be honest, the only person I trust is AE right now.

I'm going to

Unvote Dubb

For now. I might go back later, as some people have made great points against him, but I'm starting to think the points against Vince are pretty strong as well.

[dubb93]

One unvotes me and then one votes me with no evidence! BTW, according to the rules spawn may be able to keep their hidden roles, so I don't fully buy Real Deal's I can't be spawn ploy. If they "may" be able to keep them upon conversion I see no reason they can't be given them from the get go.

[Fouts]

I don't know exactly what happened with Vince last night, but I believe the results of RealDeal's scan, which means that up until scanning Raiders Army, Vince was clean.

Vote dubb93

I'll try to check back in before the vote just in case a better option is presented.

If we are correct and Vince turns out to be a spawn, RealDeal jumps to the top of my list.

[Mr. Wednesday]

RealDeal is telling the truth about his examination of Vince and the results.

[Blade6119]

RealDeal is telling the truth about his examination of Vince and the results.

And how do we know this?

[Raiders Army]

You hinting at something buddy??? two for yes
!!

[kingfc22]

And how do we know this?
Yes, Mr. W would you like to elaborate on that.

[Schmidty]

RealDeal is telling the truth about his examination of Vince and the results.

Either you have an ability we don't know of, or something fishy's going on.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I am an empath, and I checked on the veracity of his statement that he scanned Passacaglia and Vince and found them to be clean. I concluded that he was telling the truth.

[Schmidty]

I am an empath, and I checked on the veracity of his statement that he scanned Passacaglia and Vince and found them to be clean. I concluded that he was telling the truth.

Ahhh. Ok, that helps.

[Raiders Army]

Unfortunately fellas, I gotta go. Gotta eat dinner, get the kids showered, and then get ready for the game. Good luck everyone!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Empathic May PM the GM to verify truth of one complete sentence said by another person in the public thread. The GM will respond with either "True, False, or Unknown" based on the GM's understanding of the statement. This may be used twice per game. There is a 50-50 chance that a person will keep this ability if they become Spawn.Per game rules.

[Blade6119]

!!

God damnit, its not gonig to change towards me but im betting your implying were right about vince...at least i hope...DAMNIT RAIDERS, COME OUT OF YOUR COMA!!!!

[Blade6119]

this seems wayyy sketch, but for a few minutes ill be quiet...seems like a lot of role reveals and work to protect vince, and im not sure i buy all them...seems odd, but ill bite my toungue for around 2 minutes

[saldana]

I agree, Mr. W., Saldana, and Fouts, do any of you guys have anything to add? New ideas, agreements with previously posted ideas, anything?

i think you have me confused with someone else, i have been posting all day long, i just havent put in my two cents on the vote issue because yesterday, i ended up on the wrong side, and dont want to make a mistake again...if it looks like i have been lurking, its just cuz i didnt close the page when i walked away from my computer

[kingfc22]

this seems wayyy sketch, but for a few minutes ill be quiet...seems like a lot of role reveals and work to protect vince, and im not sure i buy all them...seems odd, but ill bite my toungue for around 2 minutes
Yea, I was just about to post that Mr. W and RealDeal have both claimed private roles that neatly cover each other's story while protecting Vince. Just a lot of odd things happening around Vince, IMO.

[pennywisesb]

if it succeded, why tell us...in past games when guys get converted they dont tell us...the guy he attacked is prob one of the guys supporting the vote on dubb now...hell, one of them is in a coma

Ok, to support Blade here, since it seems things are getting thrown in disarray, if Vince did attack someone, and they then became a spawn, there would be no reason for them to come forward to try to get healed because Vince (the Dr.) would be the only one who could heal them. I'm starting to lean towards Vince actually attacking RA and putting him into a coma at this point. Unvote Dubb

[Mr. Wednesday]

Unvote dubb

There's a lot of interesting stuff going on here... and while I'm sure that Vince is OK, I'm not so sure about who I should be blaming.

[Fouts]

Until Vince's exhaustion is explained, I cannot change my vote from him. I have no inside information, but this is a huge "I am a spawn" arrow that is pointing right at him.

[pennywisesb]

Jees. This is like a damn roller coaster ride!

[Blade6119]

Until Vince's exhaustion is explained, I cannot change my vote from him. I have no inside information, but this is a huge "I am a spawn" arrow that is pointing right at him.

lol, vince will prob. claim to have a secret role to defend himself...everyone else seems to have pulled one out in his favor...i just dont get how soo many people know these secret roles, as i have no idea what mine is

[saldana]

since i know vince wont be back for a while i will throw this out there, however i cannot explain why he didnt say it himself

if vince were attacked last night and has the trait of "light sleeper", it would explain why he was able to survive the attack(he would become resistant when he was woken up), and there is a chance he could become exhausted from defending himself.

[Blade6119]

since i know vince wont be back for a while i will throw this out there, however i cannot explain why he didnt say it himself

if vince were attacked last night and has the trait of "light sleeper", it would explain why he was able to survive the attack(he would become resistant when he was woken up), and there is a chance he could become exhausted from defending himself.

if that were the case it would have happened two night ago when he was first attacked, not this time...vince already said he was infected the first time he was attacked

[Mr. Wednesday]

It also could happen if he had the "slayer" trait.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, I was incorrect about Slayer, he would not become exhausted from that. But if Vince is a light sleeper,
Light Sleeper If attacked by Spawn, the character gains the status "Resistant". If used, may cause exhaustion. (See Status Resistant below).(emphasis mine)

[pennywisesb]

So many votes have been cast and changed does anyone have a running talley at this point?

[Barkeep49]

When King comes out of his office with that look on his face the crew looks to see which officer he will be "talking" to today. But instead he heads towards Hoopsguy. The two adjourn into the interrogration room and out of the earshot of the public.

[Blade6119]

Er, I was incorrect about Slayer, he would not become exhausted from that. But if Vince is a light sleeper,
(emphasis mine)

Still doesnt explain why he wouldnt be exhausted after he was attacked the first time...he wouldnt suddenly be exhausted now, it would happen last time

[kingfc22]

Just noticed that Vince and Passacaglia were the first two to cast votes and both voted for pennywise who was in the brig with Vince last night. RealDeal scanned both of these two.

Just putting that info out there.

Unvote Dubb

[Mr. Wednesday]

Read it again.

He may become exhausted if it is used. Or he may not.

[kingfc22]

Today's recap:

Command Staff
Captain - ardent enthusiast (chosen for long away mission, votes for Liftoff)
First Officer – Kwhit (leads long away mission)
Second Officer – RealDeal (scans Vince and Passacaglia and says both are clean – claims duplicant role, promotes Passacaglia)
Security Chief - Kingfc22 EXHAUSTED (spied on jeff at night, chosen for long away mission, interrogates Hoops)
Ensign – Lathum (chosen for long away mission)

Engineers
Saldana (chosen for long away mission)
Mr.Wednesday (chosen for long away mission, claims empath role - says RealDeal is telling the truth)
MrBug708 (chosen for long away mission)
jeff061 (chosen for long away mission)
Bek (chosen for long away mission)

Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince EXHAUSTED (scans RA)
Nurse - Raiders Army (scans dub – no report, is unconscious after scan by Vince)

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - sndlvs EXHAUSTED (defended water plant at night, hands out phasers, has phaser)
Warden - Blade6119 (has phaser)
Galley Master - hoopsguy EXHAUSTED (defended water plant at night, has phaser, (chosen for long away mission)
Security Crewman - Fouts EXHAUSTED (defended engine room at night, as phaser, (chosen for long away mission)
Security Crewman - Schmidty EXHAUSTED (protected AE at night, has phaser, (chosen for long away mission)

Scientist
dubb93 (chosen for long away mission)

Privates
pennywisesb (chosen for long away mission)
Passacaglia (chosen for long away mission, promoted to Security Crewman by RealDeal)

[Mr. Wednesday]

RealDeal scanned both and found them to be clean. I didn't think it was especially likely that RealDeal would try to fake something like that, but some outrageous fakes have been done in WW games and it was starting to look important, so I decided to use one of my two checks to see if he was telling the truth. I concluded that he was.

[Blade6119]

When King comes out of his office with that look on his face the crew looks to see which officer he will be "talking" to today. But instead he heads towards Hoopsguy. The two adjourn into the interrogration room and out of the earshot of the public.

Well thats interesting...didnt see hoops even on my radar...but i like the move

So far im starting to trust:
Kwhit
Kingfc
Dubb
Fouts(starting too)

people i want to know soo much more about:
Raiders and his damn hints...hes getting at something here boys, and i think its vince attacked him and put him in the coma

People i dont trust:
Vince
RealDeal
Mr. Wednesday

people im suspicious of for a lack of activity:
Bek
Lathum
up until recently W was here

[Blade6119]

Just noticed that Vince and Passacaglia were the first two to cast votes and both voted for pennywise who was in the brig with Vince last night. RealDeal scanned both of these two.

Just putting that info out there.

Unvote Dubb

King keeps gaining my trust...he might be my #1 now

[pennywisesb]

Just noticed that Vince and Passacaglia were the first two to cast votes and both voted for pennywise who was in the brig with Vince last night. RealDeal scanned both of these two.

Just putting that info out there.

Unvote Dubb

What are you trying to say here?

[kingfc22]

blade, I think you meant that passacaglia was scanned.

[Mr. Wednesday]

He's trying to say that there's a big huge chain of people who are vouching for each other, and it could be suspicious. You'd need to believe that there are at least four spawn presently; it's possible, but I think it's on the high end of the likely count.

[Fouts]

When King comes out of his office with that look on his face the crew looks to see which officer he will be "talking" to today. But instead he heads towards Hoopsguy. The two adjourn into the interrogration room and out of the earshot of the public.

So what are these interrogations about? Care to inform us King? Any results?

[RealDeal]

I didn't clear Penny. I cleared Pass. If Dubb is not spawn, then Penny is top of my list.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Let me throw something out here... when you're in the "bad guy" group, usually you're trying to keep a low profile. Does it not strain credibility that a group of four spawn would all work together to try to clear each other, when you know that if any one were taken down they would all be taken down? Maybe the current group would try a play like that, but it was never my strategy.

I think you guys should think about this carefully. On the bad guy side of things, usually it's worth burning one member to earn trust for the rest. You try to avoid making the kind of associations that I made to RealDeal, after he associated himself with Vince and Passacaglia.

[Blade6119]

He's trying to say that there's a big huge chain of people who are vouching for each other, and it could be suspicious. You'd need to believe that there are at least four spawn presently; it's possible, but I think it's on the high end of the likely count.

I think after we didnt kill anyone day one and i doubt they have attacked vince, were looking at maybe 2 to start, 3 converts, and one dead from marc...seems very likely to me we have 4

[pennywisesb]

real deal cleared vince and penny, penny and vince were in the brig together, and vince accused penny of attacking him...the circle of trust isnt working there

Ok, so is this good for me or bad? I guess I'm not clear on what this implicates....

[Blade6119]

Let me throw something out here... when you're in the "bad guy" group, usually you're trying to keep a low profile. Does it not strain credibility that a group of four spawn would all work together to try to clear each other, when you know that if any one were taken down they would all be taken down? Maybe the current group would try a play like that, but it was never my strategy.

I think you guys should think about this carefully. On the bad guy side of things, usually it's worth burning one member to earn trust for the rest. You try to avoid making the kind of associations that I made to RealDeal, after he associated himself with Vince and Passacaglia.

i think thats true, and it was like that for awhile...until i accused vince and a few votes started changing...cant lose one of your key guys(i think hes the hive, but i dont know) so you sprung into action...you let marc go, you sacrificed him...you cant let another go, espcially not a key one like vince...of hes alive, some people will trust his fake scans...or his attacks if you count RA

[Blade6119]

Ok, so is this good for me or bad? I guess I'm not clear on what this implicates....

I didnt say it right, if you read kings comments...but it implies their logic isnt connecting entirely...so yes, its good for you

[kingfc22]

Those in the brig last night: Vince, RA, Dubb and pennywise.

Vince claims he was attacked by one maybe 2 of those.
RA is unconscious and can't speak after a visit from Vince.

Vince and Passacaglia (both "cleared" by RealDeal) vote for pennywise to start things off.

RealDeal then promotes Passacaglia to security crewman.

Mr. W then comes out and says he has empath to validate RealDeals claim.

Dubb and Pennywise were both on away mission one which was a huge success.

I'm not accusing anybody, but something smells fishy here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Personally, I think it's entirely possible that Vince was attacked solely by RA and that Dubb and Pennywise are OK, which is why I didn't stick with voting for Dubb.

[kingfc22]

So what are these interrogations about? Care to inform us King? Any results?
All it means is that I can PM freely back and forth with them.

My chats with AE and KWhit were mainly about strategy. KWhit and I were able to briefly discuss who to order Blade to put in the Brig and who should go on water missions.

Hoops has not responded to my first PM today yet. So nothing there.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dude, none of the spawn are irreplaceable!

Spawn Queen
May launch or join a regular or Spawn attack (see Attack below) once per night cycle. If the Spawn Queen dies, the Spawn Council may designate a new Spawn Queen by forgoing all attacks and secret role actions for one night. The new Spawn Queen may not keep any previous role they had.

Hive Mind
May launch or join a regular attack and may join a Spawn attack (see Attack below) once per night cycle. The Hive Mind knows the identities of all Spawn, and what roles they have, and Spawnlings, but may only communicate with Spawn on the Spawn Council. If the Hive Mind dies a random member of the Spawn Council will receive the power (in addition to any other they may possess).
Emphasis mine.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, that was directed toward Blade.

[Blade6119]

Dude, none of the spawn are irreplaceable!

Emphasis mine.

im well aware of that, but the spawn is the only one every knows...the other spawn dont know each other...thats why they are all protecting vince, the one they know...hell, i doubt any of the spawn even knew marc was a spawn besides vince...but dont overlook the importance of protecting the hive currently

[Mr. Wednesday]

To clarify a little, I meant that none of the roles is irreplaceable; they can all be regenerated from another of the ranks. The only risk the spawn face is simply the dwindling of their ranks. If one of them is outed, most likely the rest will be quick to condemn the outed man. We don't have any outed right now, so they're more likely to be sowing confusion than trying to lose themselves in the bandwagon.

[Blade6119]

dola, that was one of my weaker comments ive made, so dont use that in voting

[saldana]

anyone have a vote count?

[pennywisesb]

I'm starting to think along the lines of King. I'm just having a hard time justifying 4 spawns at this point. With the killing of Marc, that means there were 5 at one point.

[Blade6119]

To clarify a little, I meant that none of the roles is irreplaceable; they can all be regenerated from another of the ranks. The only risk the spawn face is simply the dwindling of their ranks. If one of them is outed, most likely the rest will be quick to condemn the outed man. We don't have any outed right now, so they're more likely to be sowing confusion than trying to lose themselves in the bandwagon.

I disagree..with the very real threat of lift-off after ardents order they cant afford to lose more...and if they dont all bandwagon in vince's support they might lose him...im of the very strong opiniong this is a critical vote they cant afford to spread out on

[dubb93]

If Vince comes in and claims to be the "light sleeper" I think I'll puke...

[Blade6119]

If Vince comes in and claims to be the "light sleeper" I think I'll puke...

me too...i wasnt sure when i first said it but was strongly suspicious of it...now, after all the stops they have pulled out and raiders army hinting im right makes me set on vince and the crew...

[kingfc22]

The more and more I think about it the more I want to vote Vince, but I don't want to kill off the doctor because of his seer type powers. At the same time, I don't really think I can trust what Vince or RA has to say from this point out and we could promote someone to be a medic to cure the wounded. It's not like we have a shortage of firepower and protect powers if we are wrong.

[jeff061]

I'm sorry guys, I just don't have time to process everything on the last three pages. Getting ready for the game :).

If there is anything I must know can someone summarize it for me? Currently my vote is still on Penny.

[pennywisesb]

I'm sorry guys, I just don't have time to process everything on the last three pages. Getting ready for the game :).

If there is anything I must know can someone summarize it for me? Currently my vote is still on Penny.

Quick summary, take your vote off of Penny ;)

[Blade6119]

a gazillion secret role reveals in support of vince and a bunch of guys doubting all of it....basically its down to whether or not you trust vince...seems pretty divided

[Mr. Wednesday]

When I refer to "the bandwagon", I'm referring only to voting. Hypothetically speaking, suppose someone outed Vince as spawn. Then I would expect at least one of his compatriots to try to get lost in the resulting bandwagon to condemn him.

At this point, though, nobody's been outed. There are disputed "clear" posts, and an unbidden accusation by Vince toward the other three (and if he were Spawn, why would he be drawing attention to himself like that?), but nobody outright outed.

So the strategy that I would expect to see is something in the nature of sowing confusion. Visibly grouping is incredibly dangerous, because it provides an easy path to picking everyone off. The goal is for nobody to trust anybody.

Right now, the only one that I know I can trust is myself, although RealDeal is up there as well. I don't know what happened to Vince during his examination of Raiders Army, there's always the possibility that RA was spawn and Vince became infected himself trying to cure RA. Given the possibility that RA was spawn, I have no reason to suspect Vince's cellmates more than the rest of the crew. And while there are a lot of people jumping to some wild conclusions here, it's really par for the course for a werewolf game, so I can't really attach any more suspicion to that group than to anybody else.

[RealDeal]

Personally, I think it's entirely possible that Vince was attacked solely by RA and that Dubb and Pennywise are OK, which is why I didn't stick with voting for Dubb.

Just wanted to say I agree with this. The only person I am really suspicious of is RA, but he is in a coma. Vince said that more than one guy attacked him, and I believe Vince because I scanned him.

So I picked Dubb becuase RA chose to scan him. It could be Penny. Or it could be RA acting alone. In fact, Vince and Pass, the two guys I scanned, thought differently than me and voted for Penny, while I chose Dubb instead. Penny's a perfectly reasonable vote, but my personal hunch is Dubb. I could be wrong, but I'm not wrong about Vince.

I'm not sure what's fishy about us voting differnetly. Vince and Pass and I aren't a team or anything; those were just the guys I scanned. I scanned Vince because he was the doctor, and I scanned Pass because he sort of defender Marc and just seemed to have the posting profile of a potential spawn. Both turned out to be clean.

[Mr. Wednesday]

BTW, any conclusions drawn from RA's actions when he's supposedly in a coma are bullshit. He's out of play, if he's actively influencing the game that is seriously uncool.

[kingfc22]

Blade - any thoughts for the Brig tonight?

[Blade6119]

(and if he were Spawn, why would he be drawing attention to himself like that?)

Wednesday, look at me two games ago and lathum last game...both of us were bad, both put our selfs right in the spotligght with outright bluffs and lies, and both ended up winning...im sorry, being bad and in the spot light is a horrible defense, as it seems to be the best way to survive now

[kingfc22]

BTW, any conclusions drawn from RA's actions when he's supposedly in a coma are bullshit. He's out of play, if he's actively influencing the game that is seriously uncool.
I totally agree with this point.

[RealDeal]

I totally agree with this point.

me too. RA really shouldn't be posting at all until barkeep takes off the muzzle.

[Blade6119]

Blade - any thoughts for the Brig tonight?

Yah, i have who i think i should toss in there, Vince, Realdeal, Wednesday, and maybe someone else...maybe even RA since i dont know if hes infected or not(not sure who else is best)...hell, if not for the marc vote ardent could be an option...but thats taking the side of vince being bad...if you view otherwise you toss me, kwhit, yourself, and dubb....depends on what side you take

[kingfc22]

Barkeep - what happens if our engine room is attacked at this point in the game?

[jeff061]

What would be helpful is a list of the current suspects and how the outcome of their deaths would effect our actions tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wednesday, look at me two games ago and lathum last game...both of us were bad, both put our selfs right in the spotligght with outright bluffs and lies, and both ended up winning...im sorry, being bad and in the spot light is a horrible defense, as it seems to be the best way to survive nowActually, that's not quite true that you both won. Lathum came out alive, but apparently he didn't last long afterwards because the mafia took a dim view on him voting down their operative. :p

Anyway... I agree that a bold play is within the realm of possibility.

[Schmidty]

Barkeep - what happens if our engine room is attacked at this point in the game?

According to the rules, it cannot be attacked after lift-off.

[Blade6119]

what i dont get is why no one is defending dubb and everyine and their mother vince...i figure at least one spawn would try to help dubb, and nt a soul has defended dubb...yet everyone is protecting vince

[RealDeal]

Yah, i have who i think i should toss in there, Vince, Realdeal, Wednesday, and maybe someone else...maybe even RA since i dont know if hes infected or not(not sure who else is best)...hell, if not for the marc vote ardent could be an option...but thats taking the side of vince being bad...if you view otherwise you toss me, kwhit, yourself, and dubb....depends on what side you take

Actually I agree with Blade for once. Put me, Wednesday, Pass and Vince in the brig. If you do, Vince will be safe.

To be honest I'm a little suspicious of whoever decided yesterday's brig lineup if it turns out 2 spawn were thrown into the brig with the doctor.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Maybe that means that dubb is actually clean. If we're split between dubb and Vince and both are clean, then it's obviously a good outcome for the spawn. (<- should not be construed as defending dubb :p)

Edit: Referencing Blade's comment about nobody defending dubb

[Blade6119]

What would be helpful is a list of the current suspects and how the outcome of their deaths would effect our actions tomorrow.

Dubb - scientist...he dies and we have a very hard time getting water, if at all
Vince - doctor...he dies and we cant scan, though we can make medics to cure
Penny-a private, kill him and no one gives a damn

not sure anyone else has gotten votes

[dubb93]

otherwise you toss me, kwhit, yourself, and dubb

Who lets us out if both you and King are in there?

[jeff061]

Who scanned Vince again? RealDeal right?

[kingfc22]

Vote Vince

[Schmidty]

what i dont get is why no one is defending dubb and everyine and their mother vince...i figure at least one spawn would try to help dubb, and nt a soul has defended dubb...yet everyone is protecting vince

I'm not protecting anyone. I'm pretty suspicious of everyone other than AE. I already took my vote off of Dubb, but if I don't see anything more compelling about Vince, I'm going to have to give my vote back to Dubb.

[jeff061]

Dubb - scientist...he dies and we have a very hard time getting water, if at all
Vince - doctor...he dies and we cant scan, though we can make medics to cure
Penny-a private, kill him and no one gives a damn

not sure anyone else has gotten votes

Cool, thanks. I was think more along the lines.

Vince Spawn - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because
Vince Innocent - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because
Penny Spawn - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because
Penny Innocent - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because
Dubb Spawn - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because
Dubb Innocent - Tomorrow we are looking towards this person because

Seems like a nice way to summarize things.

[Mr. Wednesday]

RealDeal claims that he has a special trait of duplicant, decided to duplicate the doc's powers and quick-scanned both Vince and Passacaglia, clearing both. (Our friendly GM tells us that the scan will be accurate.)

I claim that I have verified the veracity of RealDeal's claim.

[Blade6119]

Who lets us out if both you and King are in there?

I dont know, dont think thats in the rules so i wouldnt worry about getting locked in

[Bek]

BTW, any conclusions drawn from RA's actions when he's supposedly in a coma are bullshit. He's out of play, if he's actively influencing the game that is seriously uncool.

i too would agee on this...but since it is out there it will play a role(if it hasn't already)...not like barkeep can revoke what he said and tell us all to forget about it...it's like telling a jury to not take that evidence into their decision...they may all agree to not use it, but subconsiously they are

--sry for the spelling

[jeff061]

And the description of RealDeal's actions matches up. Now what are the thoughts behind thinking Vince is guilty?

[kingfc22]

I'm voting for Vince because I just don't see myself trusting any scans he has from here on out and without that ability he is just a medic which we could promote if needed.

[dubb93]

Who wants to wade through these votes(and unvotes) and find the current count at the moment?

BTW, that would be a bad move Schmidty, I help out the away missions and I'm 100% clean. Think things over before you throw away a vote to lynch an innocent person.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The argument is that it's awfully convenient that RealDeal cleared Vince and Passacaglia, and then I cleared Vince.

[jeff061]

Nearly everyone helps out in one way or another. That's not a defense, and we don't know your innocent.

Not to mention, have we gotten a confirmation the Scientist is useful post liftoff?

[Blade6119]

Vince Spawn - We have a clear path for the next few days, and we could win soon
Vince Innocent - We have a clear path for the next few days, and could win soon
Penny Spawn - Nowhere really...hes not connected to anyone really and would leave us at point 1 like marc did
Penny Innocent - Down another guy from night attack and still not sure where to go
Dubb Spawn - We have a clear path for the next few days, and we could win soon
Dubb Innocent - We have a clear path for the next few days, and we could win soon

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep - what happens if our engine room is attacked at this point in the game?
You all die. As the Spawn are not suicidal, even when things are most grim, they will not do this (i.e. it's not an option for them)

[Schmidty]

It's just strange to me still that we are having to come up with reasons why Vince and Dubb are spawn (although they may be), but Pennywise is still just skating free. Seems odd.

[jeff061]

Thanks Blade, I'll try to fill in the names for myself.

[jeff061]

I am not defending Vince, but other than me believing he is a HUGE target, RealDeal's actions appear legit.