Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[jeff061]

If I keep scanning him and he scans me, we're not doing any good,

I agree. We can't have you to scan each every day. Won't lead to anything. Especially since theres a chance one of you started the game as a Spawn, and if the other is turned scanning each other won't do any good.

It's my opinion having the nurse and the doctor both on the spawns's side is a huge boon and one of the first thing's they'd try to do, especially if one of them was bad to start with.

[jeff061]

Five engineers - is there any reason we should not have all work on repairing the engine today? I don't see any if there is not any other equipment damaged. They don't have the luxury of defending. Will taking this action leave them exhausted or will a night action of sleep address this concern?

I believe only a night time nap will get me rested up so I'll be repairing. Already sent in my orders.

[Raiders Army]

hoops, I'm glad you're along for this ride. You always provide some great info (even when you're not working on the side of angels). I'm too lazy to read back through the thread at this point to figure out all of the rules, so thanks for the update. :)

[Passacaglia]

If the Spawn were to successfully attack the Water Plant they would first damage the water filters, preventing you from getting more water. If they successfully attacked again, while the water filters remained damaged, they could then cause a leak.

If this is the case, then it seems like we should go on another away mission for more water, so we're as stocked as possible when the engines are fixed.

[jeff061]

And thanks for that post Hoops, I had been getting concerned about your affiliation ;).

[Raiders Army]

I agree. We can't have you to scan each every day. Won't lead to anything. Especially since theres a chance one of you started the game as a Spawn, and if the other is turned scanning each other won't do any good.

It's my opinion having the nurse and the doctor both on the spawns's side is a huge boon and one of the first thing's they'd try to do, especially if one of them was bad to start with.
So do you suggest he scan me and I scan him?

[Barkeep49]

Not wanting a repeat of yesterday Real Deal doing his best to look official approaches Bek and orders him to begin work on the engines. Bek gives Real a bit of a look like "of course I was going to do that" but never-the-less scurries off to the engine room.

[jeff061]

So do you suggest he scan me and I scan him?

No I was saying I agree we can't be doing that everyday, which includes today.

[RealDeal]

At this point, I'm just going to focus my AP on ordering folks (like bek) to repair the engine room until it is done.

[Passacaglia]

Away team - we had 19.7 units of water, but should have consumed 5.25 last night (.25 * 21). So we have 14.5 (rounding) units of water, which is not quite enough to last for three days. I think we need to keep accumulating water. I just would not send engineers to get the water today.

Didn't see this post by hoopsguy. So I agree with it! However, my guess is that the spawn's strategy is not to kill us, but infect as many as possible -- another big away mission might help them out. I leave it to KWhit to decide how much water we need.

[hoopsguy]

Just curious why Bek and Bug are exhausted this morning when it was Bek and Jeff working last night? Also, there were engineers working during the day yesterday who rested last night and they are not exhausted? If this is the case then it clearly makes sense for the engineers to work during the day from an efficiency stand-point.

[pennywisesb]

I agree with those who say we need to stockpile water. I say we go on another away mission today, build up our water supply, and then stay inside the ship the next 2-3 days and just work on repairs and staying as safe as possible. Just my $.02

[jeff061]

Defintly, engineers should be working every day as far as I can see. The only questions revolve around working or resting through the night.

I think he typo'd the exhaust on me.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, have a couple of questions:
1. After lift-off, no new survivors can become infected. Does the mean that spawnling attacks can no longer infect?
2. What is the rate of leaking? Is this a fixed rate or does it depend on the amount of damage sustained by the water tank?
3. I assume we still need water after lift-off - but how do we get it at that time? Are we still doing Away Team Missions?
4. Does the game start with a Spawn Queen and a Hive Mind? These roles are not listed under the "Unevolved Spawn" group which leads me to believe they are initial roles.
5. Do the spawns have "exhausted" as well? It seems like they do based on the "Mind Leech" description. If so, do spawn/spawnling attacks exhaust the spawns? This would make them less likely to attack on back-to-back nights.



1. Yes, the Spawn Queen loses her ability to create new Spawn.
2. The rate of leakage is based on the amount of damage done to the water tank. It will be a known rate.
3. Well for now you'll have to assume that you need to have enough reserves to last. Of your GM just *might* have an event planned for sometime either today or tomorrow that will change that information slightly :)
4. You can safely assume that these two roles were both present at the start of the game.
5. Spawn do not normally need sleep. However, if they preform a night duty (for instance if they are an engineer and choose to repair something) they may choose to become exhausted so as not to raise suspicion. If they choose this then they will need a night's rest in order to recover (although they may still preform a Spawn attack and be rested the next day).

[Poli]

I would SUGGEST we go looking for water again today.

[Barkeep49]

Defintly, engineers should be working every day as far as I can see. The only questions revolve around working or resting through the night.

I think he typo'd the exhaust on me.
Indeed it was a GM error. All three were working on the engines meaning you now have only 5 cycles left in order to repair fully.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, what was the original number of work-days required to repair the engine? Just want to use that number and work backwards to see how effectively we have been with repairing the engine.

Jeff, I'm expecting to have some time today to be more active than yesterday. As a sidenote, I'm pretty active in WW games no matter which side I'm on. So I'm not sure my posting should be considered proof positive that I'm a good guy.

Raiders - thanks for the kind words. Hoping that you and I are on the same side this time around. I'm interested to see how you play a game when you aren't evil :)

As far as infection goes, after re-reading the description from Barkeep there were 2-3 more crew members attacked by spawn. If this is the case then the game would have started with spawnlings and no defined spawn? Those spawnlings would evolve into spawn by today. But I would have expected spawnlings to attack on the first night in order to try and swell their numbers before emerging as full-blown spawn. Someone please jump in here if it sounds like I'm reading the spawn/spawnling roles incorrectly.

[pennywisesb]

Just curious why Bek and Bug are exhausted this morning when it was Bek and Jeff working last night? Also, there were engineers working during the day yesterday who rested last night and they are not exhausted? If this is the case then it clearly makes sense for the engineers to work during the day from an efficiency stand-point.


I was also interested to hear Mr. Bug's explanation on why he is exhausted this morning.

[jeff061]

I've only seen you on the side of good, and in my opinion, you've been more helpful and accurate than anyone.

But it was a combination of lurking a bit and no posts, like I said, wasn't getting ready to make an argument against you. I understand not to hold it against people for having these so called "Real Lives".

[jeff061]

I was also interested to hear Mr. Bug's explanation on why he is exhausted this morning.

Typo by Barkeep. He worked on the engine room last night with me and bek. 5 cycles left to repair.

[Poli]

I'd also suggest #2 promote someone, anyone.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I saw in Post #86 that we needed 12 cycles to repair the engine. Have we really gotten seven repairs in already?

Jeff - every other Tuesday I'm in an all-staff meeting at work that makes my participation on those days pretty challenging. Plenty of other real-life stuff going on, but usually if I'm looking at the thread and I have more than five minutes then I'm going to be posting something.

[pennywisesb]

Typo by Barkeep. He worked on the engine room last night with me and bek. 5 cycles left to repair.


Thanks for the clarification. I noticed that too after I hit submit.

[Lathum]

At this point, I'm just going to focus my AP on ordering folks (like bek) to repair the engine room until it is done.
I agree with this..

[Poli]

I'd also suggest #2 promote someone, anyone.Hmm. Never mind. RealDeal, I'd suggest you promote someone tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, what was the original number of work-days required to repair the engine? Just want to use that number and work backwards to see how effectively we have been with repairing the engine.

There were 12 original cycles needed.

As noted above Mr. Bug was exhausted from working on the engines and was simply left off the list at first.

[hoopsguy]

Based on Barkeep's response in #264 the two main spawn roles start the game. I'm of the opinion that there would not be more than 1-2 spawnlings to start the game. The spawnling attack rate is only 40%. And they evolve into spawn which do not convert (again, someone please jump in and correct me if I'm reading the rules incorrectly). So I'm not terribly worried about conversions, at least not relative to attacking people or resources.

[hoopsguy]

In re-reading the Queen's description, she can launch regular or spawn attacks. Barkeep's reply in #264 makes more sense to me now. Hive Mind can only join spawn attacks.

In the initial description there are listings for "regular attack" and "spawnling attack" but not "spawn attack", as listed in the Queen/Hive descriptions. I'm now working under the impression that I've misread the whole "spawnling attack". Can spawnlings launch an attack or are they just incubating for one day before becoming spawn? If this is the case, then I need people to discard some of my spawnling/spawn thoughts from earlier as they were based on bad reading comprehension :(

One more question:
1.) Also, are private roles revealed upon death in this game?

Edited to modify question numbering.

[Barkeep49]

In re-reading the Queen's description, she can launch regular or spawn attacks. Barkeep's reply in #264 makes more sense to me now. Hive Mind can only join spawn attacks.

In the initial description there are listings for "regular attack" and "spawnling attack" but not "spawn attack", as listed in the Queen/Hive descriptions. I'm now working under the impression that I've misread the whole "spawnling attack". Can spawnlings launch an attack or are they just incubating for one day before becoming spawn? If this is the case, then I need people to discard some of my spawnling/spawn thoughts from earlier as they were based on bad reading comprehension :(

Spawnlings have no powers of Spawn. In fact not all spawnlings know that they are Spawnlings, and others might only have a few hints suggesting that they are.

One more question:
1.) Also, are private roles revealed upon death in this game?

You will know if it is a survivor or a Spawn. Additionally, if it is a Spawn you will know if it is the Hive Mind or Spawn Queen.

[Barkeep49]

It is late morning and outside of the Security Headquarters a list goes up. It informs the people on it that they may stop by the Security HQ before the night cycles begins and pick up a phaser from SnDvls. The people on the list are:
SnDvls
Blade
Hoopsguy
Fouts
Schmidty

[Bek]

Thanks for odering me off to repair the engine room...i was going to take care of that. I found time now where i can check the forum every 2 hrs...which i will be doing...if you need to save pts then no need to order me around...sry again for day one...

[KWhit]

I will definitely be leading an away team today. It will include all privates and the scientist. However, I think I should also include the 2 security crewmen. They don't have any other action they can take during the day. The only downside to this is there is a 10% chance one of them could be infected during the mission.

I'll accept some suggestions from the crew before I make my decision. I am also open to following whatever the captain suggests.

Edit: I misspelled "captain."

[hoopsguy]

OK, so based on the initial description in Post #86 we are probably starting with three spawn.

As he went to investigate his sighting of Crystlium a mutant creature, unlike anything he had ever seen before came out of a crevice in the ground, and attacked him. If it hadn’t been for dumb luck, the crewman says, the creature would have succeeded in implanting itself in him. But worse, in the distance he could see what looked like two, maybe three, other members trying to battle similar creatures. While he couldn’t tell who the crewman were, after his battle he went to investigate, and could clearly see two sets of prints leading to a scuffle, but only one set, the human set, walking away.

So two of them were full-blown spawn - Queen and Hive. Third one was likely spawn as well - just don't think it makes sense to start with spawnlings.

I would guess that given the low % for the spawn attack that the Queen and Mind would work in conjunction to add to their ranks. This would also fit with the no apparent activity from the spawns yesterday.

This description raises some more questions:
A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack. Otherwise Spawnling attacks follow the rules for General Attacks.

1.) Does the state EXHAUSTED show up for spawns from this activity? If so, this could be a big-time indicator for spawn attacks if there is no other activity to explain their exhaustion.
2.) If a spawn is exhausted, does this prevent them from launching regular or spawn attacks until they have recovered?
3.) If the spawns can still attack while exhausted, is there a negative modifier on their attack, just as there is for the defender?

[hoopsguy]

Can the exhausted engineers participate in the away mission? If it is a short mission that does not consume APs. They should then sleep tonight to recover from exhausted and be able to work tomorrow. This makes sense to me since "Sleep" is only available as a Night activity. Obviously the same 10% risk comes into play for them.

Since we are currently flush with water I'm up for participating in the mission as well if it is a short mission. I would like to have my action point available for this evening if you are planning the long mission.

[dubb93]

I think that I should be included in all away missions as my presence can only help matters(per my role). And plus, with just a 10% chance of spawn infection that isn't really something that outweights the NEED for water. Once we liftoff the spawn will most likely be going after our water supply. Also I would assume if we can get some phasers on the away mission that would make the chance a little less than 10%.

Tonight I would say gaurd the engines with all we have. If they are protected tonight we should be able to lift off tomorrow.

[KWhit]

Can the exhausted engineers participate in the away mission? If it is a short mission that does not consume APs. They should then sleep tonight to recover from exhausted and be able to work tomorrow. This makes sense to me since "Sleep" is only available as a Night activity. Obviously the same 10% risk comes into play for them.
Unless I'm misreading the rules, the exhausted engineers can still repair the engines today (which is what they should do). Then they should sleep tonight.

[KWhit]

Since we are currently flush with water I'm up for participating in the mission as well if it is a short mission. I would like to have my action point available for this evening if you are planning the long mission.
You get 1 point for the day cycle and 1 for the night cycle, so you could do both a long mission today and still have a point for the evening.

[KWhit]

I'm currently thinking of leading a long away mission including:

KWhit
dubb93 (Scientist)
hoopsguy (Galley Master)
Fouts (Security Crewman)
Schmidty (Security Crewman)
pennywisesb (Private)
Passacaglia (Private)
Marc Vaughan (Private)


If you have any strategic reason why I shouldn't do this (I may have missed a rule or something), let me know soon. I'll pm the mission to barkeep when I get back from lunch (30-45 mins).

[jeff061]

Unless I'm misreading the rules, the exhausted engineers can still repair the engines today (which is what they should do). Then they should sleep tonight.

Yeah, this was what I was going to say.

I should be repairing the engine room now.

[Barkeep49]

Nurse Raiders emerges from his offfice and goes to the Security Headquarters, promptly fetches King and goes back to the exam room. For the next hour or so you hear nothing, but then King comes out and resumes his work.

[Raiders Army]

kingfc22 is clean. But he should get his genital warts checked out by the doc.

[Barkeep49]

All of this discussion about who is repairing things causes someone to finally go to the engine room and discovers that sure enough there are three people currently working on the repairs there: Mr. Wednesday, Bek, and Jeff while Saldana and Mr. Bug are not there although there is no reason why they couldn't join in the repairs later.

[hoopsguy]

Very cool - then we will likely have the engine repaired by morning. So far each of the eight engineer actions have resulted in repairs; no one faking their efforts here.

There would seem to be a lot of incentive for the spawn to attack the engine room tonight and try to prevent us from lifting off tomorrow. Hopefully we can devote some resources to guarding this. The Sgt is still feeling well, but our security crewmen are both exhausted. If they are going to forego rest, I would hope that they act in concert to increase their odds of survival.

If we are able to bank a lot of water today (hoping to get at least enough to cover what we consume today, hopefully two days worth with bigger group) and take off tomorrow morning then it feels like we are moving into a strong position.

KWhit - thanks for the clarification on the action points. I'm happy to go on the trip today.

As far as voting goes today, I am still inclined to see us start moving in that direction. I don't have any particularly strong suspects at this point but the strong results by the engineers have them in a fairly trusted position at this moment. I would add the members of the water crew yesterday also fall under the same umbrella, based on their solid results. Finally, I would cite Kwhit as a person who has been active the first two days in a manner that seems very pro-crew.

Doctors have cleared Captain Enthusiast (via doc) and Dr Vince (via nurse).

Bek and RealDeal are the most likely suspects, based on yesterday's non-action (when they had the ability to have a positive impact) but I would love to have better reasons to vote than that.

Other people that don't have any evidence, pro or con:
King, Lathum, Raiders, Sndvls, Blade, Me, Fouts, Schmidty

Lets see what other people think of these initial lists ...

[jeff061]

King was just cleared, except for the warts.

[jeff061]

It's a lot tougher deciding who you want to vote for with these public roles.

[Raiders Army]

King was just cleared, except for the warts.
Since you have no medical expertise, I'd like to clarify: Genital warts, not just warts.

I also put out condoms for the crew's use...although there are no females onboard.

[hoopsguy]

Yep - based on the remaining list I would love to see Raiders get scanned by Vince.

[jeff061]

Hopefully he can control himself if he's ever in the brig.

[Raiders Army]

Yep - based on the remaining list I would love to see Raiders get scanned by Vince.
Only if there is no anal examination. I'm good there...no spawns hiding there as far as I can tell.

[hoopsguy]

Post #232
The night passes, easily for most, uneasily for others. Schmidity was on guard duty all night protecting KWhit while Fouts was seen lurking in the crew area awake all night.

Post #1 - actions public/private
Actions from a public role are always revealed to the entire crew, although some actions (such as Protect) are not revealed until after they have happened and they may also be faked (see Faking Duties below).

Post #1 - faking duties
A person may pretend to perform one of their actions but not actually complete the task. For instance, a spawn engineer may pretend to be repairing the Security Room but really do nothing. This is undetectable to anyone else, but will not result in any changes (so in the example the damage would not go down by one man cycle).

Post #1 - Spawnling attack
A spawnling attack increases the chance that all spawns will become exhausted, especially those spawns who participate in a Spawnling Attack.

Schmidty and Fouts both have the option to Protect and Spy. Those both appear to be private actions. Both would explain why they are exhausted this morning. But if the spawn failed a spawnling attack, then this could be an alternate explanation for why they were exhausted this morning.

I have no insight one way or another if this is what happened. But if I'm putting together a list of who I am a little more guarded about right now, these two would fall in the group with Bek and RealDeal.

Barkeep, would someone know if they had survived an attack or a spawn attack? I didn't see anything in the descriptions indicating this one way or another.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, would someone know if they had survived an attack or a spawn attack? I didn't see anything in the descriptions indicating this one way or another.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no :). There are rules about this but I'm not sharing them publicly for the moment (although I might have told someone who had asked me before; can't remember if it was a survivor or spawn who asked the question).

[Raiders Army]

I would think the person would know they were attacked since they survived, but sometimes these games don't make any sense.

[Raiders Army]

Case in point.

[jeff061]

Well if someone can be a spawnling and not know it, I suppose they could be converted to a spawnling and not know it, which would also lead me to believe the attack is kind of a "stealth attack"? Wouldn't know either way?

Who knows,other than the spawn, all speculation.

[Barkeep49]

I would think the person would know they were attacked since they survived, but sometimes these games don't make any sense.
Don't forget the spawn have mental abilities so perhaps they can make people forget. Or perhaps the Spawn started to attack but were scared off by someone's footsteps? Or perhaps it is something which doesn't make sense but is used for gameplay purposes :)

[KWhit]

Time to move out, away team! Let's go find us some water.

Away Team:
KWhit
dubb93 (Scientist)
hoopsguy (Galley Master)
Fouts (Security Crewman)
Schmidty (Security Crewman)
pennywisesb (Private)
Passacaglia (Private)
Marc Vaughan (Private)

This is a long away mission. PM sent to barkeep.

[Barkeep49]

After yesterday's success there are high hopes when the away team sets out. But today there are new places to explore and with the large team they should cover a lot of ground. Nothing goes right, however. Most of the crew doesn't find any water. A couple of people had a leak in their collection tank and the water that they got had leaked by the time he returned to the ship. Suspicion turns to the idea that perhaps there was someone sabotaging the mission. While that might have been true, most people suggest that today was just bad luck more than anything else. You find .05 units of drinkable water.

Water Supply -- 14.5 units of drinkable water

[jeff061]

I think Ardent should take Kwhit to task for his failure!!!! ;).

[Passacaglia]

What a crock!

[Vince]

Shit. That was a disaster.

I'm still mulling over my options for today guys -- I'll figure out what I'm doing in the next few minutes.

[jeff061]

Do we want to check out one of the away team members? Maybe Dubb since he goes to all of them? Just throwing things out there.

[pennywisesb]

Well, my suspicion for those belonging to the away team with me has gone WAY up. I was really hoping we could replentish enough water to kinda hold-up in the ship for a few days and keep ourselves as safe as possible from spawn attacks. Looks as though we might need to go on another mission tomorrow.

[KWhit]

You find .05 units of drinkable water.
SAY WHAT!?

:mad:

[Schmidty]

That was not good. :(

[jeff061]

Doesn't much surpise me, couldn't be that easy.

[KWhit]

Suspicion turns to the idea that perhaps there was someone sabotaging the mission. While that might have been true, most people suggest that today was just bad luck more than anything else.
This is important. I think we are definitely looking at some sabotage, but it may not be as bad as it seems. I know that yesterday we were on the high end of what was possible; today it seems we rolled craps.

So, I think there is someone on the team who is a spawn (the group that had their tank leak is awfully suspicious).

[KWhit]

I'm suspicious of the 3 members of today's away team who were not on yesterday's team since today's mission was so much less successful.

Here they are:
hoopsguy (Galley Master) - I'm not that suspicious of him due to the productive posts he's made
Fouts (Security Crewman) - was seen lurking in the crew area awake all night
Schmidty (Security Crewman) - was on guard duty all night protecting KWhit

Fouts and Schmidty are both exhausted (maybe they are spawn - I am still unclear on the rules regarding how/when spawn become exhausted)

[Barkeep49]

It's the middle of the day and you hear some strange noises coming from Vince's office. You're used to hearing all sorts of noises, but you know no one is in there but him. At first you think he's just gotten ahold of that one vid that's been passed around the ship, but upon further hearing it sounds far more like the noises Ardent made yesterday.

[dubb93]

Do we want to check out one of the away team members? Maybe Dubb since he goes to all of them? Just throwing things out there.

As does KWhit and Marc Vaughn. Look at our success yesterday. I would point the fingers for that failure at some of the new guys.

[Poli]

Cue the music.

[dubb93]

Fouts and Schmidty are both exhausted (maybe they are spawn - I am still unclear on the rules regarding how/when spawn become exhausted)

Is there anyway them being exhausted could have played a factor in this? Prehaps we shouldn't take exhausted people on the next mission.

[KWhit]

Is there anyway them being exhausted could have played a factor in this? Prehaps we shouldn't take exhausted people on the next mission.
Maybe so. The rules say this:

Exhausted places a person at a disadvantage for all attacks. Further some actions may have a slight chance of failure if you are exhausted.

[jeff061]

In my opinion .05 is far to low to be anything but a sabotage. I'd think if exhaustion caused THAT much of a difference it would be in the rules. Who knows though.

[Schmidty]

I'm suspicious of the 3 members of today's away team who were not on yesterday's team since today's mission was so much less successful.

Here they are:
hoopsguy (Galley Master) - I'm not that suspicious of him due to the productive posts he's made
Fouts (Security Crewman) - was seen lurking in the crew area awake all night
Schmidty (Security Crewman) - was on guard duty all night protecting KWhit

Fouts and Schmidty are both exhausted (maybe they are spawn - I am still unclear on the rules regarding how/when spawn become exhausted)

I'm certainly not spawn, so I'm assuming that someone else in the away team is. One thing though, there is also always a chance that Barkeep just made crappy rolls. Regardless, I think it would be bad, bad, bad strategy for a spawn to sabotage the away team, as that person would be drawing undue attention to himself.

At this point, I'm not going to point fingers, but if another away team mission goes awry some people will have some explaining to do. We NEED to vote today though. We can't keep wasting days or we'll be way behind. As far as who we should vote for, I'm not quite sure right now.

[Barkeep49]

With all that is going on the ship at first no one notices Saldana has joined the efforts in the engine room. But when he takes a break and has grease all of him, where he's been is obvious.

[Raiders Army]

Jesus. I need a drink.

[pennywisesb]

Fouts, do you have an argument as to why you were up last night wandering around?

[Raiders Army]

Fouts, do you have an argument as to why you were up last night wandering around?
He's was trying to figure out how to save money on his car insurance?

[Fouts]

Fouts, do you have an argument as to why you were up last night wandering around?

Yep, I was spying on someone. I would have tried protecting but I never got a phaser.

FWIW, I followed Jeff, but all he did was go to the engine room. How boring.

*stops by Security HQ to pick up his phaser*

[Barkeep49]

Just a friendly reminder that at least 1/3 of the crew, currently meaning 7, must vote for an execution for it to take place. All votes must be recorded by 9 EDT which is about 5 hours from now.

[Schmidty]

Vote 4 Pedro!!!!

[pennywisesb]

Yep, I was spying on someone. I would have tried protecting but I never got a phaser.

FWIW, I followed Jeff, but all he did was go to the engine room. How boring.

*stops by Security HQ to pick up his phaser*

Just wanted to know, it seems as though you were on a rising suspicion meter with some peeps and I just wanted to know if it was justified.

At this point I'm not sure of who I suspect, although I do believe the
spawn(lings) were probably involved in the second trip for water and probably weren't present during the first trip (due to the success). This makes me think that any newcomers to the 2nd away mission are probably the most likely suspects.

[saldana]

At this point I'm not sure of who I suspect, although I do believe the spawn(lings) were probably involved in the second trip for water and probably weren't present during the first trip (due to the success). This makes me think that any newcomers to the 2nd away mission are probably the most likely suspects.

before we make that conclusion, lets not write off the possibility that someone from the first mission was converted and sabotaged the 2nd mission...we dont know for certain that the original team made it back unharmed, we are just assuming that due to the success of that mission, so really, the suspicion should be spread out equally.

[saldana]

dola, however i agree that we should probably do something tonight...the point about falling behind the numbers is a valid one. i for one was hoping for some form of evidence to come out of the night actions, but since it didnt, i guess we have to come up with some other plan.

[Schmidty]

before we make that conclusion, lets not write off the possibility that someone from the first mission was converted and sabotaged the 2nd mission...we dont know for certain that the original team made it back unharmed, we are just assuming that due to the success of that mission, so really, the suspicion should be spread out equally.

I agree with this, but we have to balance wrecklessly throwing votes around at innocents with the need to not sit idley by while the spawn do their thing.

[KWhit]

before we make that conclusion, lets not write off the possibility that someone from the first mission was converted and sabotaged the 2nd mission...we dont know for certain that the original team made it back unharmed, we are just assuming that due to the success of that mission, so really, the suspicion should be spread out equally.
I'm still unsure of how a conversion really works.

If someone was converted during the away mission, they become a spawnling, not a true spawn.

There is a 10% chance that each member of the Away Team will become a Spawnling when on Away Team.
But the real question is "whose side is a spawnling on?" Will he want to sabatage the ship? Or is he like a guy who a vampire has bitten once - basically the same person they were, just a step closer to being evil?

If it's the latter, then we can really be suspicious of the new people on the away team since a conversion on the first away team will not have resulted in a full-fledged spawn yet. But I don't know how spawnlings work. Can you give us any insight, Barkeep?

[Barkeep49]

If left untreated Spawnlings become Spawn at the start of the next day cycle. They might or might not know they are Spawnlings. So for instance IF someone became a Spawnling after yesterdays away team they would have become Spawn today.

If a person knows he's a spawnling he might perhaps decide to join evil and do nothing about it or or he can try to get treated by the doctor or nurse.

However, if there is a Spawnling on the Away Mission it does not count against success. Only full grown Spawn can do that.

Let me know if you need more info

[Fouts]

I'm heading out to class, so I won't be voting tonight. Which is okay, since I have no idea who to vote for. I would be most suspicious of those on today's mission, but I have no proof.

[saldana]

If left untreated Spawnlings become Spawn at the start of the next day cycle. They might or might not know they are Spawnlings. So for instance IF someone became a Spawnling after yesterdays away team they would have become Spawn today.

If a person knows he's a spawnling he might perhaps decide to join evil and do nothing about it or or he can try to get treated by the doctor or nurse.

However, if there is a Spawnling on the Away Mission it does not count against success. Only full grown Spawn can do that.

Let me know if you need more info

which means none of the guys from yesterday's team are above suspicion...actually, i would be more inclined to suspect one of them than one of the two security guys who we know successfully performed their duties last night. as for which guy to suspect, damned if i have a clue, i am going back to the engine room, lemme know if we are gonna toss someone out an airlock or something.

[RealDeal]

So is my ordering bek to fix engines a day action or night action? If a day action, do I need to do another action now for the evening?

[jeff061]

It's the middle of the day and you hear some strange noises coming from Vince's office. You're used to hearing all sorts of noises, but you know no one is in there but him. At first you think he's just gotten ahold of that one vid that's been passed around the ship, but upon further hearing it sounds far more like the noises Ardent made yesterday.

What's this about? Ardent made weird noises by himself yesterday?

[Raiders Army]

What's this about? Ardent made weird noises by himself yesterday?
I thought he was just masturbating. *shrug*

I agree this seems very strange...but I cleared the Doc, and he cleared Ardent. It's highly unlikely that we're all spawns...however, it is a possibility.

[Vince]

I examined Ardent yesterday, and he made similar noises to the ones I made today. Full explanation forthcoming.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Are all five of us at work on the engines right now? And if not, where's the one who's not working?

[saldana]

i would have to say we should pick a private for tonights vote...kwhit and dubb are too valuable at this point without proof, and they are the only ones that were on both away teams.

[Vince]

Ok, I don't like explaining everything, makes me seem to much a target. But I don't want suspicion either, so here goes.

I was attacked last night by two crewmen. I couldn't make out who they were. They overpowered me and held me down -- I waited for the attck to come, but it didn't really happen. They just kicked me (once), then left.

I was concerned, however, with the infections going on, so I examined myself today, much like I examined Ardent yesterday. Sure enough, I had been infected. I was able to isolate and destroy the spawnling that had somehow been infecting me.

This clarifies a few things...

There are at least two Spawn. We were pretty sure of this, but this completely confirms it.

They successfully attacked me, but their conversion attempt failed.

A successful attack does not ensure knowledge of infection. I was unaware I was infected until I made my examination.

Because of the above point, seemingly harmless attacks (they only kicked me once) can be much more dangerous than they appear.


The bad news is that I had to spend my APs on myself, so I can't learn about anyone else today.

[saldana]

Are all five of us at work on the engines right now? And if not, where's the one who's not working?
unless i missed the post, bug never reported to the engine room today

[Poli]

I think I can verify that story...I was going to order someone to investigate the noises, but was told it should be obvious Vince was examining himself.

[Vince]

Due to what happened last night to me, I would urge anyone who has been attacked, even if it seems harmless, to come forward immediately. I will be more than happy to examine said people.

I am very sure that we should be voting today. I was slightly ambivalent on day one, but the longer we wait, the longer the Spawn have to coordinate and even expand their numbers. We need to get as much information as we can as soon as we can. Things could get much worse, as today's away mission showed. Because of this, even at the risk of painting a target on myself, I Vote Schmidty.

The only reason I have for voting Schmidty is because he was one of the guys who was on the failed away mission who was not on the successful one. If someone can come up with a better argument for or against his lynching, I'm all for it.

[jeff061]

Seems to add up to me and matches my suspicion that they would go after the doctors.

[hoopsguy]

If I was picking someone to point the finger at on the junk water mission, it would be the scientist. He is the one that has the greatest impact on success/failure of the water collection. But any one of the people on the mission yesterday could have become inflicted (10% chance each). And while I think he would make a good candidate for conversion, based on what Barkeep relayed he would be a spawnling at this point and unable to actively sabotage if he was targeted last night. Sigh.

What is a little frustrating is if they didn't know they were infected yesterday and now join the spawn today without having any chance of saving themselves.

I understand the logic of pointing the finger at the new guys. But as one of the new guys in the mix I'm concerned about a strategy that suggests I'm working against my crewmates.

Vince/Raiders - I think it might be a good idea to check out Dubb tomorrow. If he is spawn material it is going to make future water runs very challenging. You can rotate the rest of us in and out of the group, but since the scientist has a big impact on results you want him along every time if he is clean.

Was KWhit scoped this morning prior to the water run? Or yesterday? Or not at all and my mind is playing tricks on me? I'll be back later this afternoon to dig this up if no one else has responded to this question.

[Barkeep49]

unless i missed the post, bug never reported to the engine room today
That is correct.

[jeff061]

Inactivity kills in this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm... that's a little suspicious. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be around to answer for it.

[Vince]

While I think Dubb is a great candidate for conversion, remember that 2 spawn tried a Spawnling conversion attack on me last night. Only the Spawn Queen can launch a conversion attack, so no one was converted last night. The only way someone was converted was by the random 10% modifier for the away team.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Inactivity is a major issue in any WW game, I've seen it become a problem at really critical times in other games.

[pennywisesb]

Inactivity kills in this game.

Exactly.

Also, this game is going to get a whole lot more interesting if people don't even know they were infected. I agree with Jeff that it makes the most sense for the spawns to go after the doctors or scientist versus our captain or ships' officers. By going after the dr.'s or scientist, they would gain the most by keeping their infections a secret from the majority.

[Vince]

I don't know about the most sense -- the ability to order other (non-spawn) people around is pretty significant.

[jeff061]

Indeed, but unlike Doctors, it's pretty obvious when they are taking advantage of their post.

[saldana]

so based on vince's arguments (which i find to be totally logical concerning his attack, curing, and lack of an overnight conversion) we really are at a coin toss between one of the 3 guys who didnt go out yesterday having been a spawn since the beginning, or one of the 5 that did go out yesterday having become a spawnling during the first mission and a full spawn overnight.

so if we have it narrowed down to 8 guys, i dont know other than take a random shot into those 8, so i think we should go by long term (apparent) value, so i say again we should pick a red shirt. (sorry guys)

[Schmidty]

I already tried to defend myself earlier, but like in every game like this I never seem very persuasive. Oh, if I'm lynched, I'll get my normal apology, but it still sucks to always be unable to stop it.

The only thing I can say is that until yesterday late in the afternoon, I hadn't even checked this thread in more than 2 days or so. I didn't have a strategy yesterday, other than to protect the highest-up that I could/needed to (KWhit).

As far as being in the away team, I didn't even know that I'd be in it until this morning, so how could I have sabotaged it that quickly? Wouldn't the spawns have to PM Barkeep about that as a night action? The rules are complicated, and I don't understand them all, but I thought that was the case. If so, I would have had to have fore-knowledge about it, and I didn't.

Anyway, I suggest that Vince and others think this through very carefully, as lynching me will do nothing more than help the spawn get one step closer to a win.

[Schmidty]

so based on vince's arguments (which i find to be totally logical concerning his attack, curing, and lack of an overnight conversion) we really are at a coin toss between one of the 3 guys who didnt go out yesterday having been a spawn since the beginning, or one of the 5 that did go out yesterday having become a spawnling during the first mission and a full spawn overnight.

so if we have it narrowed down to 8 guys, i dont know other than take a random shot into those 8, so i think we should go by long term (apparent) value, so i say again we should pick a red shirt. (sorry guys)

Dola.

What's a red shirt?

[jeff061]

A Private.

[saldana]

Dola.

What's a red shirt?

in the original star trek, the guys that went on away teams with kirk and spock always wore red shirts, never had names, and always got whacked...in the player roles description for privates, barkeep says they are just standard redshirt crewmembers

[jeff061]

I don't think we should limit ourselves to writing off everyone who was in the first away team trip. They were feeling out the day just like us, who knows what they did or did not do day one.

[Schmidty]

in the original star trek, the guys that went on away teams with kirk and spock always wore red shirts, never had names, and always got whacked...in the player roles description for privates, barkeep says they are just standard redshirt crewmembers

Ah, ok.

[jeff061]

Right now, I suggest Penny, Pass or Marc. I don't see a convincing reason to go after one of the other roles.

[pennywisesb]

I don't know about the most sense -- the ability to order other (non-spawn) people around is pretty significant.

It seems as though most of us are involved in the decision making. If one of the leading roles started dishing out orders that didn't mesh with what the majority was thinking, I think we could pick up on it pretty quick. There's almost no way we could know the Doctor or the Nurse was converted.

[saldana]

I don't think we should limit ourselves to writing off everyone who was in the first away team trip. They were feeling out the day just like us, who knows what they did or did not do day one.

thats not what i am saying, but we have no specific evidence against anyone,. all i am saying is that they are the only ones we have ANY reason to suspect because they were off the ship yesterday and if they were infected, would have had time to become spawn.

if we work from the assumption that the 2 spawn that attacked vince last night were the only ones on the ship from the beginning, and since they failed to convert him, the only new spawn on board would have to be one of the 5 guys from yesterday's team.

[saldana]

Right now, I suggest Penny, Pass or Marc. I don't see a convincing reason to go after one of the other roles.

i agree.

[jeff061]

That wasn't written in response to you.

[Schmidty]

I have my suspiscions, but since I'm already on the block, I refuse to piss off anyone. Sorry guys, but I can't help right now. :(

[saldana]

oh, never mind then

[pennywisesb]

I would hope you would decide not to lynch me because you'd also only be helping the spawn get closer to their goal.

Barkeep, am I crazy, or do I remember you mentioning that privates MAY have secret roles?

[jeff061]

Admittedly I am looking at Pennywise. But I wouldn't feel so good voting for him while the other two privates are far less active. Else I probably would of gotten the party started 15 minutes ago.

I would hope you would decide not to lynch me because you'd also only be helping the spawn get closer to their goal.

Who's not going to say that ;).

[Vince]

It seems as though most of us are involved in the decision making. If one of the leading roles started dishing out orders that didn't mesh with what the majority was thinking, I think we could pick up on it pretty quick. There's almost no way we could know the Doctor or the Nurse was converted.
I think it'd be a pretty solid tactic to order a security detail to defend one area while the Spawn knew that they were attacking another...

[jeff061]

And the second that happened the heat would be on the captain and a doctor could check him out.

The only way a doctor gets found out is if someone he clears gets killed and revealed as a spawn. Even then he can try to argue out of it, since there may be no one left to check him.

[SnDvls]

did we ever get confirmation from Barkeep what was protected last night by the Security Crewman per the rules?

[SnDvls]

dola

if anything as Fouts said he did a Spy instead of protect

[Vince]

Well, I'm out the door to work. I really don't think my grounds for voting Schmidty are very strong, so feel free to ignore the subject of the vote. But really, we need to vote today. Start establishing patterns, perhaps get lucky. We need something to go on for tomorrow, and successive days. We can't be certain that whoever they target tonight will be cured the next day, like I was today.

[Blade6119]

Pennywise and Pass were in the brig last night with saldana and lathum. If vince said he was attackedf last night it was not any of these four. Straight forward, no room for misinterpretation. If vince was attacked by two last night, it was not any of these four.

Sorry, some people seemed to forget i tossed them in the brig last night for the exact reason of them being on the away mission

[pennywisesb]

And the second that happened the heat would be on the captain and a doctor could check him out.

The only way a doctor gets found out is if someone he clears gets killed and revealed as a spawn. Even then he can try to argue out of it, since there may be no one left to check him.


Exactly, it'd be worth so much more to go after the Doc or the Nurse because we wouldn't know they had been converted until someone was outed which could be a while yet.

[jeff061]

Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder Blade , sorry Penny. :D

Vote Marc Vaughan

I suppose, but I really don't feel confident. Need to get something going though,

[pennywisesb]

Pennywise and Pass were in the brig last night with saldana and lathum. If vince said he was attackedf last night it was not any of these four. Straight forward, no room for misinterpretation. If vince was attacked by two last night, it was not any of these four.

Sorry, some people seemed to forget i tossed them in the brig last night for the exact reason of them being on the away mission


Good job Blade. I forgot that I was in the Brig so this at least clears me for last night.

[saldana]

good show blade

vote: marc vaughan

[Schmidty]

I see Bug in the thread, and I'm wondering why he hasn't said a word....

[SnDvls]

well I need to vote and it's time to leave work so.


vote Marc Vaughan

[saldana]

I see Bug in the thread, and I'm wondering why he hasn't said a word....

or fixed the engines

[Schmidty]

or fixed the engines

Now he's just left the thread without saying a word again. Very wierd.

[pennywisesb]

The first vote always sucks because its basically like throwing someone to the wolves unless we get really lucky. I agree that the ones to be suspicious of would be people who were involved in the away missions but weren't thrown in the brig last night. Because of this I guess I'm gonna have to jump on the bandwagon and Vote Marc Vaughan

If you turn out to be innocent I'm sorry but I think its very important for us NOT to miss another vote.

[MrBug708]

1) I just came around
2) I'm overwhelmed by this thread
3) I was fixing the engines last night
4) I could chose to rest instead of fix the engines
5) I really have nothing to add

[jeff061]

Bug, send a PM to fix up the engine room.

[jeff061]

Bug resting is only for night, you need to be fixing the engine room now.

[pennywisesb]

I too agree that Bug's actions are very intriguing at this point. I would love an explanation from him as to why he's doing what he's doing (or not doing what he should be doing)

[Mr. Wednesday]

He did work on them all night... but it doesn't look like there's any "recovery" today, so it would be nice if he would pitch in and help the rest of us out.

[MrBug708]

I too agree that Bug's actions are very intriguing at this point. I would love an explanation from him as to why he's doing what he's doing (or not doing what he should be doing)

In case you missed Josh

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=891776&postcount=391

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, looks like I'm late on that, as I was checking back on the rules to make sure there wasn't a daytime rest option. :)

[jeff061]

I worked on them all night as well. Doing nothing all day accomplishes nothing, you rest tonight and work on the engine room today.

[Schmidty]

In case you missed Josh

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=891776&postcount=391

Well, I guess that makes sense then, but we need to vote soon, so chime in as soon as you get a chance.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Kinda sucks to drum a first-timer out of the game right off, but absent a better option I'll join the crowd after Marc.

[jeff061]

If Bug doesn't start working on the engine room I'll be changing my vote.

[MrBug708]

Vote Pennywise

[Poli]

Heading out for a flag football game. I like Vince's theory, so I'm voting Schmidty.

VOTE Schmidty

[MrBug708]

If Bug doesn't start working on the engine room I'll be changing my vote.

I'm shaking in my boots

[pennywisesb]

In case you missed Josh

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=891776&postcount=391

Yeah, sorry, you posted that while I was typing my post. But, like everyone else has said, there is no recovery time during the day so it'd be very helpful to us if you'd get to work on the engines. I want to get the hell off this planet!

[Schmidty]

Heading out for a flag football game. I like Vince's theory, so I'm voting Schmidty.

VOTE Schmidty

You're just doing what you always do in games with me. :)

[jeff061]

Well Bug has been about as illogical and belligerent as possible so far.

[Poli]

You're just doing what you always do in games with me. :)
LOL. I never thought of it that way. You're right. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Bug, Pennywise was in the brig and thus could not have participated in an attack. There are higher-percentage people in play right now.

[Blade6119]

Vote Pennywise

Im at a loss for why you would do this...please explain...we have two spawn at least according to vince if you beleive him "story," who attacked him last night, and penny was in the brig all night...please elaborate kyle

[jeff061]

I'm also at a loss as to why he thinks he shouldn't be repairing the engine room. Unless someone fakes it should be completed by the end of this cycle, correct?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, it looks like this is just settling down into battle lines right now. I know MrBug is being a little odd right now, but he went beyond the call of duty working overnight to fix the engines, so I'm going to give him a pass for today.

Vote Marc Vaughan

[pennywisesb]

Vote Pennywise

Can you please explain your rationale?

Edited for spelling

[saldana]

in defense of bug, barkeep isnt in the thread right now, so if bug did pm him, it wouldnt be showing up yet, however, if i see barkeep in the thread and no info about bug working on the engines since he now knows he cant sleep during the day, i will be changing my vote at the last minute.

[jeff061]

I'd be content with him saying he's instructed Barkeep.

[pennywisesb]

I have no idea why he's wasting a vote on me.

[Schmidty]

I have no idea why he's wasting a vote on me.

Because he wants to make himself a target? :confused:

I really have no idea what he's thinking, but if he doesn't explain what he's thinking soon, I'm going to vote for him. I'm seeing more reason to vote for Bug than MV right now.

[MrBug708]

I'm also at a loss as to why he thinks he shouldn't be repairing the engine room. Unless someone fakes it should be completed by the end of this cycle, correct?
Why are you all convinced that I have not sent in my instructions already?

We are all pretty much making wild guesses anyhow. What's the point of me telling you guys exactly what ever step I make is. I could be lying just as much as telling the true. I never said I was JUST going to sit around and rest. I said I could, but obviously I cannot now that the rules have been clarified. I guess Im the only one who has had a problem with understanding all of the rules.

It's just a game and some of you guys are acting like total drama queen's about it.

But since you want me to just throw my support back at voting Marc and we can accomplish nothing.

Unvote - Pennywise
Vote - Marc

I guess it will be that much harder to find out whose good and whose bad with more percentage votes at somewhere else.

[MrBug708]

I'd be content with him saying he's instructed Barkeep.

I'd be content with him saying he's instructed Barkeep. :)

[jeff061]

Why are you all convinced that I have not sent in my instructions already?

Because you haven't said you have?

It's just a game and some of you guys are acting like total drama queen's about it.

I think you are intepreting things wrong. You are just confusing everyone.

[jeff061]

I guess it will be that much harder to find out whose good and whose bad with more percentage votes at somewhere else.

People are jumping on you because Penny was in the Brig, while at least two spawns were outside the Brig.

[hoopsguy]

Bug, what is the point in being deceptive about working on the engines? What is the point of targeting someone who is one of four people who are less likely (due to being in the brig) to be working against the crew. If you want to spread votes to make people defend themselves, perhaps someone besides the four in the brig would make better options?

[MrBug708]

Because you haven't said you have?



I think you are intepreting things wrong. You are just confusing everyone.

Didn't think I needed to tell my actions to everyone....If I miss the deadline then I would think I would need a little more explaining to do.

[jeff061]

You don't need to, but if you are keeping something important secret for no reason, then yes, people are going to start suspecting you.

[pennywisesb]

Sorry if it sounded like we were attacking you. And I didn't mean for you to just "throw" a vote out. I just didn't know your reasoning for voting for me after Blade specifically said I was locked in the brig last night which means there was NO WAY I could have participated in an attack on Vince. I just wanted you to give some reasoning on why you voted for me. Thats all. And like Hoopsguy said, there's no reason to be deceptive towards working on the engines. Being deceptive just gives us something to be suspicious of you about.

[Schmidty]

Well, I'm going to have to leave to pick up my wife from the airport soon, so I better vote. I have no huge reason to think it's him, but in the hopes of self-preservation, I vote:

Marc Vaughn

[hoopsguy]

OK, so there were at least two spawns last night on the attack. No news here, as we knew that there were two defined roles. And that up to three of them (Council) can work together to coordinate attacks. The fact that they were looking to convert is news, although pretty predictable. Going after the doctors, as noted by Jeff, seems like a logical play.

We also know, with a high degree of certainty, that there were spawn on the Away Trip today. This might argue for taking fewer people on subsequent trips, if one spawn can have such a dramatic impact on the results. The five man crew yesterday netted enough water for almost two days, on a day with strong results. I think we need to have at least three man teams to sustain our water, but I'm not sure how much higher we should be going than that unless we start having some luck killing spawn.

As far as I can tell, the only way spawn die is via lynching. So it is essential that we vote. Morbid as this may be, the crew benefits a little bit from losing a member of the crew by conserving water.

[Barkeep49]

"Where is that Mr. Bug" if it was said once it was said a thousand times today. While the other four engineers were hard at work in engineering he was no where to be seen. Thus when he suddenly shows up to dinner everyone casts him a dirty look. Finally one of the other engineers goes up and says "Where the *&!# have you been?" Bug gives him a weird look and replies "I had to fix the power relays for the engines. I've been up doing that all day." A little embarassed that he hadn't thought to help out with this crucial task the engineer slinks back to his group and reports where Bug has been all day.

[hoopsguy]

From Post #1 - Spawnlings
Spawnlings
These are crew members who are not quite Spawn. If they are not cured in the next day cycle they will become Spawn and be randomly assigned a role from the Other Spawn list (see above). Crew members might or might not know they are spawnlings, but the Hive Mind knows the identities of all spawnlings.

Barkeep, if someone went on an Away Trip and became infected during the day, would that present day count as "the next day cycle"? As in they would be full spawn by nightfall?

If this is not the case, then I don't think it makes as much sense to look at sabotage by a Day 1 ten percenter (as if that is a word) becaue they would be spawnlings today and less likely to sabotage even if they knew. I would think that the ante would rise on Schmidty, Fouts, and I in this scenario.

I'm not trying to go out of my way to save Marc Vaughn, who I have very little idea if he is spawn or not. I just want to make sure we collectively have as good an understanding about the game mechanics as we can before stringing him up over a rules interpretation question.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think we're stringing him up more because it looks suspicious that he joined the party and the results went in the crapper than because of a specific rules interpretation. :p

[saldana]

If left untreated Spawnlings become Spawn at the start of the next day cycle. They might or might not know they are Spawnlings. So for instance IF someone became a Spawnling after yesterdays away team they would have become Spawn today.

If a person knows he's a spawnling he might perhaps decide to join evil and do nothing about it or or he can try to get treated by the doctor or nurse.

However, if there is a Spawnling on the Away Mission it does not count against success. Only full grown Spawn can do that.

Let me know if you need more info
bump

i think this answers the question above

[MrBug708]

*shakes head*

[hoopsguy]

Marc was on the first trip (see Post #206). I was one of the three new people in the group today, along with Fouts and Schmidty.

Fouts and Schmidty were both exhausted today after excercising private actions last night. I had the option to guard the water last night (believe this is a private action) but choose not to because:
1.) I wasn't sure if I had a phaser - the posts on this topic yesterday were a mess
2.) I wasn't sure they would attack the water. Letting us get exhausted before attacking the areas we are guarding, or hoping to find the areas unguarded because we are exhausted, seemed like sound strategies. So I tried to anticipate how they would play it and was lucky they didn't attack my area while I rested.


Edited for spelling

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, where I'm asking for clarity is if they are spawnlings immediately or become spawnlings that evening? It makes a difference for when the next day cycle comes around.

This also should make a difference for the time of day we run the away teams - really need to run them early in the day so we have the opportunity to look at the members if the water collection is substandard like todays. If we get water results after the docs have already committed their scans, then we are left scratching our heads on this front. Like today.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, am I crazy, or do I remember you mentioning that privates MAY have secret roles?

You're crazy :). Everyone has a secret role, it's just that some people know theirs while others do not. I have used secret role and private role interchangably so it's possible that's how the confusion happened.

did we ever get confirmation from Barkeep what was protected last night by the Security Crewman per the rules?

Yup. It was in today's status report: Schmidty protected KWhit.

Going back out for an hour or so. Will be back around deadline.

[hoopsguy]

Correction - #148 names the team for the first day Away Team, #206 shows the results from the first day Away Team.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana, where I'm asking for clarity is if they are spawnlings immediately or become spawnlings that evening? It makes a difference for when the next day cycle comes around.

This also should make a difference for the time of day we run the away teams - really need to run them early in the day so we have the opportunity to look at the members if the water collection is substandard like todays. If we get water results after the docs have already committed their scans, then we are left scratching our heads on this front. Like today.

Right away. So if they were inspected after the away team and had become a spawnling you would know. Gone fore real now :).

[hoopsguy]

Oh, and in case it is required to post this - I'll pick up that phaser for tonight with the intention of using it if attacked while guarding my post.

[dubb93]

I think there was a spawn on that away mission somewhere....I'm not 100% convinced that it was Marc, but we HAVE to lynch someone tonight or we aren't making any progress. He is as likely a suspect as anyone else that went on that mission so its fine with me. The only problem I have is he was one of the 3 on the second mission that was on the first, but screw it.

Vote Marc Vaughn

[saldana]

Saldana, where I'm asking for clarity is if they are spawnlings immediately or become spawnlings that evening? It makes a difference for when the next day cycle comes around.

This also should make a difference for the time of day we run the away teams - really need to run them early in the day so we have the opportunity to look at the members if the water collection is substandard like todays. If we get water results after the docs have already committed their scans, then we are left scratching our heads on this front. Like today.

i got it now...the exact timing of the conversion would be very helpful.

as far as the time of day for away missions, i would hope that barkeep didnt make this game THAT complex, that time of day matters...that is really putting some tough constraints on people that work or go to school, etc.

and with all due respect to the capt and xo, i agree that we need a little more coordination for our actions that could generate extremely relavent info.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks, Barkeep. OK, then it does make sense to question everyone from the first team as well as the people on the second team. Although I don't think Marc would be my highest priority.

There is only about a 40% chance that one of the guys from the first day went the spawnling/spawn route (0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 = % that everyone is clean, subtract that number from 1 and you get about 41%).

Now if you think that this 40% came in, then you would have to pick out which person was converted. The popular opinion right now seems to be that Marc Vaughn is that guy. The fact that the other privates were locked in the brig last night would have zero impact on his conversion from spawnling to spawn. Pennywise and Passacaglia are equally as likely to have been infected yesterday and spawn today.

So are you voting for Marc because you think he was a spawn yesterday? If so, then why didn't he sabotage the mission yesterday?

Again, I don't want to tell anyone how to vote. I would encourage everyone to cast a vote before the day is up. I'm just trying to understand this bandwagon. It feels like it has either been built by some bad assumptions on spawn vs spawnling or by deliberate intent to sacrifice someone.

My top four right now:
RealDeal
Bek
Fouts
Schmidty

All four fall on my initial list based on actions yesterday - either inactivity or by night activity that cannot be confirmed. None of the four are particularly strong candidates at this point. Schmidty and Fouts joined me as newcomers on today's Away Trip - statistically there is only a 40% chance that anyone who was clean yesterday was converted to spawnling, and then spawn. Even less if there was already a spawn in the original group, although that would suggest that they did not tamper with the water results yesterday.

The guys that are low on the suspicion meter right now:
Me - I know that I'm not a spawn. Hopefully every crew member has themselves atop their personal list of trust.
Vince - nice play if he is making up the spawn attack
Ardent - Vince cleared him yesterday, would not be spawn yet if attacked last night. Less likely to be attacked last night with two attacking Vince.

The guy that I'm most concerned at the moment about being a possible spawn is Dub, since as the scientist he seems like he would be the most detrimental spawn role to our survival efforts. No water for 2 days = spawn win. Plus he cannot be replaced through the promotion of a private.

In regards to promotions, if there are two equal candidates I would be more inclined to go with an officer that can be replaced by a private than the private. The promotion option makes privates versatile in terms of filling multiple roles. Other officers do not have this flexibility if we lynch an innocent. Weird logic, I guess - but I'm curious if this makes sense to other people as well.

[jeff061]

So are you voting for Marc because you think he was a spawn yesterday? If so, then why didn't he sabotage the mission yesterday?

This is what I'm hoping, like I said before, I don't know why there was no sabotage day 1.

In the end I'm voting for him because he was the only private on the second away mission that was not in the brig, and I am not confident enough to go after a more important public role. I don't think he was converted, why would they go after a Private?

Vince - nice play if he is making up the spawn attack
Indeed, I was planning to go back and see if any spawn actions could cause the same effect. Maybe Vince used a private role rather than his doctor role behind closed doors?

Did Raiders Army's patients make "Wierd Noises?


The guy that I'm most concerned at the moment about being a possible spawn is Dub, since as the scientist he seems like he would be the most detrimental spawn role to our survival efforts. No water for 2 days = spawn win.

You and I are on the same page. I'd love to get him checked out tomorrow, on the negative side we can't be 100% confident no matter what the results are.

[Passacaglia]

I'm still confused by MrBug. Why vote for pennywise? And then, why back down so much when asked about it? And responding with personal attacks to boot.

[jeff061]

I'm guessing he just wasn't up to speed before making that vote.

In anycase, he's still going to have some heat on him no matter what happens.

[hoopsguy]

Vote Schmidty

Vote count right now:
Marc Vaughan (7) - Jeff, Saldana, SnDvls, MrW, Bug, Schmidty, Dubb
Schmidty (2) - Ardent, Hoopsguy

We have enough to lynch Marc. I'm not confident in my vote, but I'm not confident in Marc either and there is no purpose in joining his bandwagon at this stage. I'm happy to switch if compelling evidence comes up.

[Passacaglia]

As for Marc....I can see which way the wind is blowing here, but I'd like to propose some restraint. I may be saying this just because some suspicion has been blown my way and it freaks me out, but aren't we all needed to do stuff? I can understand everyone's impatience with the away team -- I mean, we drank WAYYY more water than we found. But, do we even know that spawns can sabotage missions?

[Lathum]

After reading everything this seems like the most logical

VOTE MARC

[Passacaglia]

Question: Can we execute more than one person? Say, if the vote is split 6-6-6?

[Poli]

Back. They cancelled my game due to lightning. I'm still looking for the lightning.

[jeff061]

The Marc vote has been way to easy, so my hopes are dwindling.

We are going to need to make a ballsy vote tomorrow I think, going 100% on logic and less on role importance.

Between the roles and the vote limits, it's a tough to nail people. Course the captain can overrule all that at the risk of a mutiny.

[kingfc22]

Just got home. Reading through thread right now.

[Raiders Army]

Just got back from taking my daughter to karate. Weird things are afoot.

No, my patients don't make any noises (but then again, I'm not molesting them either :) ). Seriously though, I don't know why that is. Maybe it's because I'm the Gaylord Focker of this ship.

Vote jeff061

Since I don't know what is going on at this point and jeffy posted last. At least I won't be accused on bandwagoning and I won't be accused on not voting. Sorry jeffy.

[jeff061]

I'd prefer you vote on schmidty so we have a chance of switching if need be. Other than that, I don't care :).

[Passacaglia]

So this is my first werewolf game -- why would people accuse others of bandwagonning?

[jeff061]

Wolves/Spawn tend to do that a bit to mix in with everyone and not stand out.

[Poli]

The Marc vote has been way to easy, so my hopes are dwindling.

We are going to need to make a ballsy vote tomorrow I think, going 100% on logic and less on role importance.

Between the roles and the vote limits, it's a tough to nail people. Course the captain can overrule all that at the risk of a mutiny.
Without solid evidence, I'm not going to change the vote.

[jeff061]

You're preaching to the choir, right Dubb? :D.

[hoopsguy]

I'm out for the next couple of hours - need to spend some time with the wife for a few hours at least. More on that topic in a non-werewolf post, perhaps ...

[Raiders Army]

I'd prefer you vote on schmidty so we have a chance of switching if need be. Other than that, I don't care :).
unvote jeff061
Vote Marc

Just to be a stubborn guy. :)

[KWhit]

Wow. I just don't know about voting for Marc. I don't have a better option yet, but I don't think it makes sense. More than likely, Marc wasn't a spawn at the beginnning (due to the success of our 1st mission). Maybe he was contaminated the first time out, but if that were the case I don't think he would have been in on the attack against Vince just as a spawnling.

I'm still leaning toward Schmidty or Fouts. They were in the 2nd mission but not the 1st and it's possible that they faked their night actions.

I'm not really happy about this, cause if I'm wrong, I'm voting for the guy who protected me last night, but:

Vote Schmidty

[KWhit]

Oh, and someone asked if I had been examined yet. No, I have not, but I welcome it. In fact, I would enjoy a thorough examination tomorrow.

:)

[Raiders Army]

Wow, KWhit, you are ungrateful! Protect me, and I won't vote for you!!!

That's my platform and I'm sticking to it.

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and someone asked if I had been examined yet. No, I have not, but I welcome it. In fact, I would enjoy a thorough examination tomorrow.

:)
That can be arranged. I might find out what gave kingfc22 those genital warts....

[kingfc22]

I'm going to vote Schmidty as well. I think the 2nd water mission failed due to one or more of the NEW guys and that is why I don't see a good reason to vote Marc.

Vote Schmidty

And man did a lot of stuff go on while I was at work. Geesh.

[jeff061]

If we get to 6 Votes on someone else I'll switch. The ease of getting votes on Marc deflates the little confidence I had.

[KWhit]

Wow, KWhit, you are ungrateful! Protect me, and I won't vote for you!!!

That's my platform and I'm sticking to it.
Yeah, that is pretty prickish of me isn't it?

Sigh.

I may still change my mind. I'm just not sold on Marc.

[Passacaglia]

But wouldn't the ease of getting those votes to someone else deflate that, too?

[jeff061]

I think we are
Marc: 9
Schmidty: 4

??

But wouldn't the ease of getting those votes to someone else deflate that, too?

Not really. The guys who voted on Schmidty didn't seem to pile on for the hell of it, like pretty much everyone on Marc.

[Passacaglia]

I'd still like to know if we can execute two people before I vote.

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, I'm out for tonight. Also, I won't be on much leading up to 8 EST tomorrow (you know...the Raiders/Pats game where the Raiders get their revenge from January 2002).

[jeff061]

I'd still like to know if we can execute two people before I vote.

Not likely. Not sure how ties are handled though. Either no one goes, or some sort of tiebreaker.

[jeff061]

meh.

Unvote Marc

Vote Schmidty

Just getting bad vibes on Marc.

[Barkeep49]

Time is running out in the day, but evidently King is a quick questioner. After speaking to the Captain yesterday, it is the First Officer KWhit who is now talking behind closed doors with the Security Chief.

[jeff061]

FWIW, I'm out for tonight. Also, I won't be on much leading up to 8 EST tomorrow (you know...the Raiders/Pats game where the Raiders get their revenge from January 2002).

Ditto for me. But I thought 2002 was revenge for a certain phantom roughing the passer call in '76.... ;)

[saldana]

No, my patients don't make any noises (but then again, I'm not molesting them either :) ). Seriously though, I don't know why that is. Maybe it's because I'm the Gaylord Focker of this ship.


this is interesting. vince said the noises coming from his office today were him curing himself, and barkeep told us that the same noises occurred yesterday when ardent enthusiast was examined, so does that mean AE was a spawn when the exam took place...and if it does (which makes sense if we believe what vince said happened today), then why didnt vince report that yesterday...i am not pointing fingers, i would just like an explanation of exactly what happened during the captains exam.

[Barkeep49]

One execution per day and if more than one person has recieved more than 1/3 of the vote the Captain may cast a tiebreaking vote (which does not trigger a mutiny vote)

[Barkeep49]

I admit I put hints into my posts, but the noise was simply to tell you that Vince had done a long examination on himself just as AE had a long exam yesterday. No more should be read into that

[saldana]

dola, the point about marc not actually being a full spawn until this morning, thus unable to be part of the attack on vince caught me off guard...i missed that bit of info myself, so i think it is only fair

unvote marc
vote schmitty

[Passacaglia]

So it's 7 for Marc, 6 for Schmidty?

[kingfc22]

Is Mr. W in the repair room. I think I missed that post if he is and if he isn't then we need to order him there.

[saldana]

Is Mr. W in the repair room. I think I missed that post if he is and if he isn't then we need to order him there.
all 5 engineers are in the engine room today

[dubb93]

You're preaching to the choir, right Dubb? :D.

What the hell are you talking about? Atleast quote what you are talking about so I can follow along, b/c I'm completely lost what this applies to.

[jeff061]

hehe, responding to Ardent saying he won't overrule the vote tonight without solid evidence(the post previous to mine). Just jokin man, no hard feelings :D.

[dubb93]

hehe, responding to Ardent saying he won't overrule the vote tonight without solid evidence(the post previous to mine). Jost jokin man, no hard feelings :D.

LOL, my reputation precedes me :D :D

[Passacaglia]

Looks like my vote is not needed, so I'll abstain.

[kingfc22]

Day 2 activitiy


Command Staff
Captain - ardent enthusiast

First Officer - KWhit (leads long away mission)
Second Officer – RealDeal (ordered Bek to repair engine room)
Security Chief - Kingfc22 (interrogates KWhit, ordered Blade to put people in brig)
Ensign – Lathum (N/A)

Engineers
Saldana(repair engine room)
Mr.Wednesday (repair engine room)
MrBug708 (repair engine room on night 1 and during day)
jeff061 (repair engine room on night 1 and during day)
Bek (repair engine room at night and ordered to repair during day)


Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince (scanned himself - reported that he was NOT clean but is now cured)
Nurse - Raiders Army - (scanned King – reported King was clean)

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms – sndlvs (hands phasers to himself, Blade, Hoops, Fouts, Schimidty)
Warden - Blade6119 (ordered by King to put Vince, RA, dubb and pennywise in brig on Night 2)
Galley Master – hoopsguy (has phaser, chosen for long away mission)
Security Crewman – Fouts (out spying during night 1 – target and results unknown, given phaser, chosen for long away mission)
Security Crewman – Schmidty (protected KWhit at night, given phaser, chosen for long away mission)


Scientist
dubb93 (chosen for long away mission)

Privates
pennywisesb (chosen for long away mission)
Passacaglia (chosen for long away mission)
Marc Vaughan (chosen for long away mission)

<o:p> </o:p>

[Poli]

I ordered Lathum to get me coffee.

[Lathum]

I ordered Lathum to get me coffee.
cream, sugar, or rat poison?

[MrBug708]

I wasnt ordered to the repair room

[kingfc22]

I wasnt ordered to the repair room
My apoligies. I cut and pasted from my day 1 list and forgot to change that.

[Passacaglia]

So ardent, who dies?

[Schmidty]

Unbelievable. Every fucking game I get in, I am randomly picked out for execution, and yet again, I'm innocent.

This game is so frustrating. I'm sitting here defending myself for once and have made good points that have been largely ignored, yet a guy who hasn't said more than one thing, Fouts, but is also a suspect is getting absolutely no heat. Unbelievable.

[Poli]

Am I on the spot?

[Barkeep49]

Am I on the spot?
Yup.

[Barkeep49]

The day ends with a flurish. Accusations are flying left and right. Over the din and confusion almost no one notices King go up to Blade and tell him somthing. But far more people notice that Blade abruptly leaves. He comes back in a few minutes and in a lull in the conversation announces he has just cleaned the brig so that Vince, Raiders Army, dubb, and pennywise can safely (and cleanly!) spend the night there.

Finally night rolls around. The debate has been fierce, and in the end no decision can be made, so the Captain must step in. Who will he kill order to be killed? Will he choose who he voted for, change his mind, or order no one to be killed?

Vote Tally
Marc Vaughan (7) -- Dubb, Lathum, Mr. Wednesday, Mr Bug, pennywisesb, Raiders Army, Schmidty
Schmidty (7) -- Ardent, hoopsguy, jeff, King, KWhit, Saldana, Vince

[Schmidty]

Am I on the spot?

No. If there's a tie, you'll kill me as usual.At least I can take heart in the fact that if I die today, you people that voted for me will be next. Stupid random bullshit.

[kingfc22]

Unbelievable. Every fucking game I get in, I am randomly picked out for execution, and yet again, I'm innocent.

This game is so frustrating. I'm sitting here defending myself for once and have made good points that have been largely ignored, yet a guy who hasn't said more than one thing, but is also a suspect is getting absolutely no heat. Unbelievable.
I don't think it was random. The day 1 away mission went off without a hitch. Add in Schmidty, Fouts and Hoops and Day 2 mission goes to hell.

[Schmidty]

Just get it over with.

[Poli]

Marc V.

Schmidty, don't let me down.

[Schmidty]

I don't think it was random. The day 1 away mission went off without a hitch. Add in Schmidty, Fouts and Hoops and Day 2 mission goes to hell.

It's random in that I am, yet again, the person who was randomly singled out.