Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[Vince]

Well, if I get barkeep before he reads the message, I guess I could change my action, but I haven't heard a compelling reason not to do what I have decided to do.

Plus, I won't be here to tell you guys about my scan even if I scan someone, so what to do?

[Passacaglia]

hoops, I agree with your list completely, except I would bum SunDevils up to medium -- he distributed phasers before Schmidty was cleared, and Schmidty wasn't exactly acting very trustworthy before that.

[jeff061]

uck is right. There was no reason to bring RA alive, not worth it. Ah well.

[KWhit]

We really NEED to vote someone off today. I'm curious why Lathum hasn't used his ability.
Lathum's high on my list of suspects right now.

[Vince]

Well, I've stated why I think it's right, and now I really have to go. Good luck gentlemen -- the longer it takes us to find more spawn, the more difficult our task becomes.

[hoopsguy]

I would expect every trust list to include themselves as absolute. And I have absolutely zero idea where I would appear on other people's lists. I post a lot during these games. People do have a tendence to get defensive when they don't look good in my posted thoughts. Which usually makes them think I'm trying to set them up, rather than trying to generate discussion.

Edit - changed "survivor list" to "trust list"

[Poli]

Unvote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, KWhit, RealDeal, and Lathum - based on my trust list you should be able to get a general sense for where I'm headed with my water choices. If you would like to help me with deciding how to allocate water this evening please post your thoughts. I'll try to avoid making you guys issue orders on this if you are not inclined to do so.

[pennywisesb]

Well, apparently Vince is not listening to reason. I think today's vote needs to come out of the list that RealDeal provided since none of them have been scanned or cleared by anyone:

bug, sndlvs, lathum, blade, fouts and hoops are in that group. Probably some others too.

[hoopsguy]

If Raiders Army doesn't come out of the coma this afternoon then I would suggest that our security staff (and/or the slayer) consider guarding Penny tonight.

[Barkeep49]

After much discussion Vince decides that his first duty is to his patient, especially a patient that could provide valuable information to the crew if his ministrations are successful. Vince decides he is going to attempt to bring Raiders Army out of his coma.

He goes into the sickbay for several hours. The crew waits anxiously, and some a bit upset at what they feel is a waste of the doctor's time. Finally Vince comes out.

"Well I was unsuccessful. I tried an agressive drug regiment and while I know I was close to bringing him out, I ultimately failed. Tomorrow after the drugs have worn off I could try again..." his voice fades for a minute. "I'm sorry guys." and then even more softly "I'm sorry Raiders."

[RealDeal]

If Vince is going to try to revive RA, then no use lynching him...

unvote RA

As far as who to kill, I'll start the ball rolling: not cleared, way the hell under the radar so far:

vote Bug

[pennywisesb]

Until Lathum comes forward and states why he hasn't used his power, I'm going to Vote Lathum

[hoopsguy]

Or we could consider throwing Pennywise in the brig tonight to protect.

[jeff061]

Lathum or Bug, let's hurry up and one pick one and not have a repeat of yesterday.

[RealDeal]

I dont want to mess with the brig lineup. We know Vince is safe with the four we are putting in right now.

[pennywisesb]

Great job Vince. Damnit. I also think I need to be protected now tonight so that I can be promoted tomorrow.

[jeff061]

If we lose I blame Vince ;).

[hoopsguy]

Vince, are you going to want to try and revive Raiders again tomorrow?

This scenario is exactly the one I didn't want to have happen - Vince makes the decision, Raiders is not awake.

[jeff061]

And 2ap wasted.
Try again tomorrow.
2 more ap wasted.

[pennywisesb]

Vince, are you going to want to try and revive Raiders again tomorrow?

This scenario is exactly the one I didn't want to have happen - Vince makes the decision, Raiders is not awake.

That was a disaster. Now we get no scans and no new info. I hope we don't decide to repeat this tomorrow.

[jeff061]

We didn't decide to today. I hope Vince doesn't decide to tomorrow.

[pennywisesb]

I dont want to mess with the brig lineup. We know Vince is safe with the four we are putting in right now.

RD, whats the brig lineup again, I'm too lazy to try to find it :p

[RealDeal]

Yeah, that was a horrible idea. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In fact, I'm voting for RA now just to make sure we never waste another scan on reviving him.

unvote Bug

vote RA

[RealDeal]

birg lineup is AE, me, Vince, and Mr. Wednesday

[jeff061]

I'm agreeing, time to cut our losses and move forward

Vote RA

[Poli]

Ardent, KWhit, RealDeal, and Lathum - based on my trust list you should be able to get a general sense for where I'm headed with my water choices. If you would like to help me with deciding how to allocate water this evening please post your thoughts. I'll try to avoid making you guys issue orders on this if you are not inclined to do so.
I'm fine with whatever decision you make.

[pennywisesb]

Yeah, that was a horrible idea. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In fact, I'm voting for RA now just to make sure we never waste another scan on reviving him.

unvote Bug

vote RA

We need to make sure everyone jumps on this then or else we are wasting votes. unvote Lathum
Vote RA

[Raiders Army]

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[jeff061]

Fine RA. What do you have to say in your defense.

Oh wait ;).

[Raiders Army]

Fine RA. What do you have to say in your defense.

Oh wait ;).
...

[Poli]

[kicks Raiders Army]
He looks dead to me.

[hoopsguy]

We still need to have phasers allocated for tonight. I'm hoping that everyone who can carry one will be packing heat tonight.

[Fouts]

I was suspicious of saldana, so I watched him all night. He slept in his bed the whole time, lazy engineers. To me, that clears saldana and pass.

I think voting for RA is a wasted vote. Just ration water away from him. Hoops knows how to do this, just change the name of the water to dart and he'll know what to do. ;)

I'm going to vote for Lathum or Bug. Neither has been useful enough to give water to.

[jeff061]

If we vote for him tonight Penny can be a nurse more quickly, that's the thinking. Otherwise, yes, it would be a waste.

[hoopsguy]

Relationships, as defined by others:
Ardent - scanned by Vince (Day 1)
Kwhit - never scanned. Says Absolute Trust (AT) with Penny, but no one has claimed him yet
RealDeal - never scanned.
Lathum - never scanned.
Saldana - never scanned. Slept while I was attacked Night 4, per Fouts
MrWed - never scanned.
MrBug - never scanned.
Jeff - loose association with Fouts based on role information (spy/vigilante - Day 4)
Bek - invoked in AT by Pennywise (Day 5)
Vince - scanned by RealDeal (Day 2)
Pennywise - never scanned, invoked in AT by Kwhit (Day 5)
SnDvls - never scanned
Blade6119 - never scanned
Hoopsguy - never scanned
Fouts - loose associateion with Jeff based on role information (Spy/Vigilante - Day 4)
Schmidty - scanned by Vince (Day 4)
Passacaglia - scanned by RealDeal (Day 2)

So the groupings, as I can see them are:
1.) RealDeal/MrW/Passacaglia/Vince/Schmidty/Ardent
2.) Jeff/Fouts/Saldana
3.) KWhit/Pennywise/Bek

Not linked with anyone - Lathum, MrBug, SnDvls, Hoopsguy, Blade

Not listed - Raiders Army (coma)


Does anyone resent the group they are listed with? The one group includes six people, who are linked to each other based on events over a period of days, for example. Or does anyone think they should be tied to someone that is not listed here?


Edited to change status on Saldana, group him with Fouts and thus Jeff (transitive).

[KWhit]

Vote Lathum.

I don't think we should vote for RA - seems like a waste to me.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, water takes two days. Dart is quicker :)

[KWhit]

If we vote for him tonight Penny can be a nurse more quickly, that's the thinking. Otherwise, yes, it would be a waste.
That's true, and a good point I had forgotten about. Hmmm..... Still thinking.

Unvote Lathum.

[Fouts]

Ok, following Hoops lead.

Absolute
1.) Fouts - I am a survivor, I do my job every night (with or without a phaser)

High
1.) jeff - spied on him early, was working, claimed vigilante (nobody disputed)
2.) saldana - slept while hoops claimed he was attacked.
3.) Realdeal - helped lynch dubb over Vince
4.) Vince - claimed 2 people attacked him in the brig, led to dubb's lynching
5.) Ardent - cast tie-breaker vote to hang a spawn on Day 1.
6.) MrWednesday - contributed to taking down Dubb
6.) Raiders Army - coma, can't do anything
7.) Schmidty - cleared by Vince
8.) Passacaglia - cleared by RealDeal, was right about saldana

Medium
1.) Blade - works the brig, claimed a secret role.
2.) KWhit - absolute trust group (but they don't all know who is in it??)
3.) Bek - absolute trust. Why is he exhausted today?
4.) Pennywise - was in brig with Vince when he was attacked by 2-3 spawn. Vouched for by KWhit in Absolute Trust
5.) Hoops - lot of analysis, claimed attacked, guards water (which has never been attacked). Nobody has vouched for him though.

Low
1.) Lathum - not using his interrogation option, inactive throughout the game
2.) MrBug - inactive, waste of water :)
3.) SnDvls - same reasons about the phasers, and doesn't do much outside of handing out phasers

Let's lynch the guys who aren't helping at this point. Saves us water.

Edited: added Hoops to Medium.

[jeff061]

Jeff - loose association with Fouts based on role information (spy/vigilante - Day 4)

fixt ;).

[hoopsguy]

I worry that Lathum has had a bad schedule and that is why we are voting him off. But he can also order me to provide him water, while other candidates that I suspect do not have that power.

Fouts - do you still suspect Blade or do you think that the action Friday evening was just an escalation between two crewmembers suspicious of each other and that better options have emerged?

[Fouts]

So the groupings, as I can see them are:
1.) RealDeal/MrW/Passacaglia/Vince/Schmidty/Ardent
2.) Jeff/Fouts
3.) KWhit/Pennywise/Bek

Not linked with anyone - Lathum, Saldana, MrBug, SnDvls, Hoopsguy, Blade

Not listed - Raiders Army (coma)


Does anyone resent the group they are listed with? The one group includes six people, who are linked to each other based on events over a period of days, for example. Or does anyone think they should be tied to someone that is not listed here?

This is very good. I like grouping people together, so if one falls, they all fall.

[hoopsguy]

Just out of curiousity, where am I at on your list Fouts?

[Poli]

A couple of people I don't trust. I'm not sure Lathum is one of them.

[Fouts]

I worry that Lathum has had a bad schedule and that is why we are voting him off. But he can also order me to provide him water, while other candidates that I suspect do not have that power.

Fouts - do you still suspect Blade or do you think that the action Friday evening was just an escalation between two crewmembers suspicious of each other and that better options have emerged?

Well, he pulled out a secret role (gut feeling). He received the proper amount of votes for it. I have moved him off my radar because of it.

It feels to me like there is 1 spawn left. We either need more scans or the last guy to slip up. I'm afraid we don't have enough water to wait for him to screw up.

Can I at least get a phaser to defend myself tonight?

[pennywisesb]

I wish Bek was more active than he is.

[Fouts]

I wish Bek was more active than he is.

Can you explain why he is exhausted? Same with Vince earlier in the game. I just don't get it.

[jeff061]

I'd imagine Bek could clear Kwhit, to the point I'm assuming that's the case.

[Raiders Army]

[kicks Raiders Army]
He looks dead to me.
You're a mean captain.

[jeff061]

Someone put the ball gag back in.

[Fouts]

Just out of curiousity, where am I at on your list Fouts?

Edited to add you to medium. I like the analysis, but you do this as a bad guy too. The water being safe the whole time speaks alot for you.

[Passacaglia]

Seems like we're all, or most of us, are in agreement about the groups and alliances -- I think we need to get rid of the singletons, and if that fails, then we assume that the Absolute Trust group is lying.

[SnDvls]

yes I'll hand out phasers tonight.

right now they are going to me, Fouts, Schmidty, Hoops, Blade

Why did Pass do nothing last night? He had a phaser?
Again it's been asked several times too....why was Bek tired??? anyone?

[Passacaglia]

I think we can't kill RA. We know he's a survivor, so we've got to keep him alive. Might as well kill someone who might be a spawn.

To me the singletons are: Lathum, MrBug, SnDvls, Hoopsguy, Blade

I don't distrust SnDvls -- I think he's done as good a job as can be expected, considering everyone's schedules.

I don't distrust hoopsguy -- The only thing he could be lying about is that he was attacked. If hoops dies, are we simply unable to ration water? That's just no good.

I *do* distrust Blade -- He did go after Vince hard, and then declared himself as good as dead, even voting for himself, presumably to gain our pity.

Lathum and MrBug I'm not sure about. I'll have to go back and read their posts.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry about not doing anything last night, SnDvls. I thought that I would have time to. My bad. On the plus side, at least I'm not exhausted! :)

[hoopsguy]

It doesn't seem like Bek is going to offer up an answer :(

As a singleton at the current moment, I would be very pleased to have someone take any action they see fit to validate me. Spy, scan, whatever works.

I have a feeling that I'm not going to be terribly popular in these parts once the rationing begins.

[jeff061]

I think we can't kill RA. We know he's a survivor, so we've got to keep him alive.

He's also worthless to us and stands in the way of a second seer role.

[Passacaglia]

He's also worthless to us and stands in the way of a second seer role.

Right, but I'm not completely sure about penny.

[jeff061]

I'm putting stock into him, Kwhit and Bek being part of the trust.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, Penny - how early were the PMs sent about the Absolute Trust? Day 1? This weekend?

[RealDeal]

If RA dies, we have another scanner tomorrow. We can always have Vince scan penny at some point to verify him, but we need the scanner badly. I highly recommend pulling the plug on RA tonight.

[SnDvls]

If RA dies, we have another scanner tomorrow. We can always have Vince scan penny at some point to verify him, but we need the scanner badly. I highly recommend pulling the plug on RA tonight.

I have to agree on this unless someone comes up with a better argument against someone else on here. As much as I'd like to know the info RA could give us about spawn, we need to keep as much water as possible. just my 2 cents so hard feelings RA.

[Bek]

ok, sry about not being more active...im exhausted because i didnt sleep last night...i stayed up to possibly prevent an attack...as for clearing people i can clear Kwhit...he has my full trust

[SnDvls]

ok, sry about not being more active...im exhausted because i didnt sleep last night...i stayed up to possibly prevent an attack...as for clearing people i can clear Kwhit...he has my full trust


attack from what? you are an engineer? why would someone attack you?

[pennywisesb]

KWhit, Penny - how early were the PMs sent about the Absolute Trust? Day 1? This weekend?

They started the first night, but each one progressively gave me more info into my role, w/o actually saying what it was. I didn't know I was a part of it officially until like Friday I think. I cleared out my PM box or else I could tell you for sure.

[Raiders Army]

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[pennywisesb]

attack from what? you are an engineer? why would someone attack you?

I'm interested to hear your answer to this as well.

[Bek]

They started the first night, but each one progressively gave me more info into my role, w/o actually saying what it was. I didn't know I was a part of it officially until like Friday I think. I cleared out my PM box or else I could tell you for sure.

It was friday that we found out about being part of the absolute trust circle

as for why i would be attacked i couldnt tell you why i would be...but since us engineers have nothing better to all do, and since i took a nap during the day i decided to stay up during the night.

[hoopsguy]

OK, lost a long post on Raiders/Penny. Here is a recap:

The logic on saving Raiders is that he can hand us information, correct? But we know he was not the hive (Dubb) or the Queen (they look different). So he would have had to be the 3rd member of the council to provide us information. We know that Marc was a spawn, but don't know if he was an original or came around via Away Team. So how many spawn do we think started the game out of 21? Keep in mind, it may be more since the spawn victory conditions do not include outnumbering the crew - they need to kill all or keep us without water. Depending on what this number is, you come up with varying likelihoods that Raiders was on the Council and can out the Queen + others. Definitely potential for a high reward, but there is an associated risk. We don't know what the percentage for success is on this effort. And we are not scanning while we pursue this effort.

The alternative is to put RA out of his misery and promote Pennywise. There is no way to promote Pennywise while RA is alive. If we have two people who can scan, then I feel very confident in our ability to win this game. But if we lynch Raiders then Pennywise becomes a huge target tonight.

With that in mind, I wish that RealDeal/Blade would re-consider the assignments for the brig tonight. We know that Vince has not been touched the last two nights while in the brig, which strongly suggests that his bunkmates are clean. But if we believe that Pennywise is clean, or at least enough to sacrifice Raiders so we can scan/promote Pennywise tomorrow, then I think we ought to provide maximum protection for this asset as well.

All in all, I don't think we are moving forward in a consistent direction by lynching Raiders and then leaving Pennywise in the wild. All of the people who can defend him are exhausted, even if they have phasers. The likelihood of a successful attack on him seems to be about 50%, without knowing all of the factors that would go into this. And the security staff would have to forego guarding the water supply or security headquarters in order to guard Pennywise.

The wildcard in this is the Slayer, who could protect Pennywise. But we don't know that this role is still active. Perhaps this role belonged to Marc, who lost it via an Away Team conversion. Perhaps the role belonged to King (I don't think we ever got a hidden role ID from him). We have yet to see anything that shows that this role is in play. The spawn don't lose anything from attacking Pennywise.

Worst case scenario here is that we are putting spawn Pennywise in the brig with good doctor Vince. But if people suspect he is a spawn, then why are we considering throwing away an attempt to save Raiders?

I just feel like we should pick a lane with our lynching decision tonight. If we are lynching Raiders, we should go max protect on Pennywise. If we aren't lynching Raiders, then we try to revive him again tomorrow.

[RealDeal]

Hoops is right. If we want penny to be a nurse, then he needs to be protected in the brig.

[SnDvls]

Hoops is right. If we want penny to be a nurse, then he needs to be protected in the brig.


1)who do you pull out
2) might I suggest you also put in a security person who has been scaned
to protect Vince in there, just in case Penny is not good.

[pennywisesb]

1)who do you pull out
2) might I suggest you also put in a security person who has been scaned
to protect Vince in there, just in case Penny is not good.

Sounds good to me. I think if I'm not protected they'll come after me.

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty is the security person who has been scanned. I don't think Pass or Fouts have been scanned up to this point. Schmidty should definitely be an acceptable selection, since he was scanned by Vince yesterday.

Pulling him in there means one less person to defend HQ and the water. I think that this is a viable option, but certainly not a no-brainer.

[Passacaglia]

I was scanned by RealDeal as the duplicant.

[Raiders Army]

...

[RealDeal]

That's correct. I scanned Pass, but Schmidty is also OK in my book.

[MrBug708]

I was suspicious of saldana, so I watched him all night. He slept in his bed the whole time, lazy engineers. To me, that clears saldana and pass.

I think voting for RA is a wasted vote. Just ration water away from him. Hoops knows how to do this, just change the name of the water to dart and he'll know what to do. ;)

I'm going to vote for Lathum or Bug. Neither has been useful enough to give water to.

Stupid reasoning. I've said it from the get-go. I'm an engineer and my role hasn't been revealed to me. Go ahead and kill me. I havent added much to to convo's because I have nothing to go on.

[hoopsguy]

Real, are you planning to assign the detail or are you going to discuss it with Blade?

At this point I think it probably makes sense to cast the vote:
Vote Raiders Army

Still not sure this is the right play, but I feel better that we are being consistent with our decisions.

If anyone has a smoking gun on a spawn to reveal I'll change this vote. Otherwise I'm sorry it went down this way, Raiders. Try being a good guy one of these games ...

[MrBug708]

It was friday that we found out about being part of the absolute trust circle

as for why i would be attacked i couldnt tell you why i would be...but since us engineers have nothing better to all do, and since i took a nap during the day i decided to stay up during the night.

As an engineer, there is no daytime action where you can sleep

[RealDeal]

I'll let Blade assign the Brig. If he's not around or something my four would be: Vince, AE, Penny, and Pass.

[hoopsguy]

Bug, I haven't had a role revealed to me either. And as far as not having anything to go on, this thread now has over 1800 posts for each of us to interpret.

[Schmidty]

Just catching up on things, and I'm going to vote for:

Vote Raiders Army

Sorry man.

[MrBug708]

Bug, I haven't had a role revealed to me either. And as far as not having anything to go on, this thread now has over 1800 posts for each of us to interpret.

Ok...and your point?

[pennywisesb]

Does anyone have a vote count tallied? Its very important to make sure we don't do what we did last vote.

[hoopsguy]

The point is that you don't have to have a secret role in order to contribute to the conversation. Obviously it would be great to have a critical piece of information to reveal that makes the game easier for everyone. But people also leave information in their posts - information that always seems pretty easy to spot at the end of the game when you know what everyone's intentions were.

I'm not throwing you under the bus today in terms of the lynch vote, but the fact that you haven't been active makes it harder for me to justify allocating water to you among the five engineers at this stage in the game. Call me stupid for this if you like - but at some point people draw negative conclusions about quiet players in werewolf games.

[MrBug708]

The point is that you don't have to have a secret role in order to contribute to the conversation. Obviously it would be great to have a critical piece of information to reveal that makes the game easier for everyone. But people also leave information in their posts - information that always seems pretty easy to spot at the end of the game when you know what everyone's intentions were.

I'm not throwing you under the bus today in terms of the lynch vote, but the fact that you haven't been active makes it harder for me to justify allocating water to you among the five engineers at this stage in the game. Call me stupid for this if you like - but at some point people draw negative conclusions about quiet players in werewolf games.

Didn't think I said that I would be quiet because I dont know my role. I agree with most of the rest, but anything that comes to mind, It's already been said, so why just say the same thing in an effort to just appear active for the same of active?

I guess my biggest flaw in playing these games that I dont have a job that allows me to sit in front of the computer at work. When I get around, it's not because I chime in because I'm waiting for everything to be said, it's because Im not around.

[Blade6119]

I'll let Blade assign the Brig. If he's not around or something my four would be: Vince, AE, Penny, and Pass.

Id like to put Vince, Penny, Realdeal and Schmidty in there...thats what im leaning towards, and will send this PM in 5 minutes if no response

[hoopsguy]

Post #1790, the Fouts list of trust

Just one note - I did scare someone off around the water area two nights ago. I did not see them, there was no confrontation, but that took place as I was guarding the water. I can find post numbers where I initially mentioned this if anyone wants confirmation of this. So, technically, it is not true that the water has not been attacked. Not successfully attacked.

[Blade6119]

lol, i love how no one trusts me...its funny

[hoopsguy]

I show the votes as follows:

Bek: Lathum (post #1682)
Raiders: RealDeal (1774), Jeff (1776), Pennywise (1778), Hoopsguy (1829), Schmidty (1833)

There were votes on other people (Bug, Lathum) at different points, but they have since been revoked.

Blade, to some extent you and I are in the same boat. No one has vouched for us yet, but we have roles that can not be easily discarded so people are reluctant to vote for us without a compelling reason.

I don't trust you, but I want the jail to stick around for a little while so you probably get water going forward.

[Blade6119]

lol, i love how no one trusts me...its funny

dola, just remembered a quote:

"Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what your up to" :D

[Blade6119]

I show the votes as follows:

Bek: Lathum (post #1682)
Raiders: RealDeal (1774), Jeff (1776), Pennywise (1778), Hoopsguy (1829), Schmidty (1833)

There were votes on other people (Bug, Lathum) at different points, but they have since been revoked.

Blade, to some extent you and I are in the same boat. No one has vouched for us yet, but we have roles that can not be easily discarded so people are reluctant to vote for us without a compelling reason.

I don't trust you, but I want the jail to stick around for a little while so you probably get water going forward.

LOL, thnx..."i want you to die, but i like what you can do so well hold off a few round before lynching your ass"...thats all i heared

I pray to vince he doesnt do that crap again tomorrow...seems like a complete waste, and makes me a little suspicious...but im not going to go down that road right now sicne thats why no one trusts me...even if i did try to tell the group about the trust(i knew all three) so we could clear three more and get a shot at mafia(hoops saw it at least)...why would i reveal that if i was bad?

[Poli]

Post #1790, the Fouts list of trust

Just one note - I did scare someone off around the water area two nights ago. I did not see them, there was no confrontation, but that took place as I was guarding the water. I can find post numbers where I initially mentioned this if anyone wants confirmation of this. So, technically, it is not true that the water has not been attacked. Not successfully attacked.
I trust you, but let's see it anyway.

[Blade6119]

Id like to put Vince, Penny, Realdeal and Schmidty in there...thats what im leaning towards, and will send this PM in 5 minutes if no response

Sent

[jeff061]

Well if we vote RA out he can't do it tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Would you all hold it against me if i launched an attack tonight?? I want Vince's blood...gah! lol, joke...joke...joke...lol...im sooo dead

[Blade6119]

Well if we vote RA out he can't do it tomorrow.

Yah, i guess.....hope he doesnt scan someone random and actually does something useful unlike today

[Blade6119]

wow, i just posted like 10 messages with only 1-2 responses...thats a lot of dolas....guess its like 11 now

[Blade6119]

Does anyone trust me?? Just wondering...i hope my boy bek does, but i dont know who else does

[Blade6119]

im on a roll here of pointless crap, but i gotta go to class...macro economics yay!...ill be back in like an hour and a half

[pennywisesb]

Blade, how did you know the trust?

[Fouts]

I was attacked by a single spawn last night. I was the target, not the water supply. I believe that I successfully fended it off.

Since I don't believe that the spawn can launch a spawnling attack at this point in time I don't think I would need to volunteer for an exam today. But I'm happy to take one whenever anyone sees fit to review me.

Also, we are now at a point where we will need to ration water. So I'm looking for feedback from people on how we should go about allocating our resources. We have enough water for thirteen people today.

Due to this post, I believe we are down to 1 spawn left. No others came forward, and nobody was killed. I think if we keep scanning, we will find the guy.

[Poli]

I believe if we all kick Raiders Army, he'll die without lynching him. That saves us a lynch vote, water, and we can promote a nurse.

[Poli]

;)

[SnDvls]

Sent


Blade can you reneg your orders until I send in the phasers request. that way we are sure to have an armed person in there?

Can we have an armed person in there?

Barkeep???

[saldana]

hey guys, just catching up, i started a new job today (real world) and have to go back out again...i hope to be home in time to get in a late vote.

[Passacaglia]

lol, i love how no one trusts me...its funny

See post 738.

[Raiders Army]

I believe if we all kick Raiders Army, he'll die without lynching him. That saves us a lynch vote, water, and we can promote a nurse.
I shall remember this fucker.

[Poli]

Hopefully we win tonight and you can talk again, sick boy.

[Fouts]

Well, to support the team.

Vote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, post #1193 is where Barkeep reported the night activity. I added my info on defending the water at post #1208.

[Raiders Army]

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[hoopsguy]

Has Fouts done a guard play yet? Because there is a Lurker role for the spawn which is the equivalent of Spy. It would be nice to see him commit to guarding someone or something, rather than spying for one night just to alleviate concerns about this.

Blade, how would you know who all of the Absolute Trust people were when it appears they didn't know who each other were? I saw that you had an edited post that you had removed talking about role reveals, but had never seen it before it was edited, back when you and Fouts were going at it on Friday evening.

[Poli]

I'm headed to me cabin. Lathum, bring me me coffee!

[Fouts]

Has Fouts done a guard play yet? Because there is a Lurker role for the spawn which is the equivalent of Spy. It would be nice to see him commit to guarding someone or something, rather than spying for one night just to alleviate concerns about this.

Blade, how would you know who all of the Absolute Trust people were when it appears they didn't know who each other were? I saw that you had an edited post that you had removed talking about role reveals, but had never seen it before it was edited, back when you and Fouts were going at it on Friday evening.

No, I think spying is more advantageous after liftoff. I can protect tonight to free up somebody to spy. Let me know where.

[hoopsguy]

The targets that I saw as the highest-profile last night were:
1.) Security HQ - required to maintain the Brig
2.) Water Plant - required to keep steady flow of water
3.) Blade - no Blade, no Brig
4.) Hoopsguy - no me, water rationed randomly

With Pennywise in the Brig tonight I think those four would be the top ones to look at guarding. But ideally we don't want to tip our hand on who is guarding what.

I can only guard the water. I've been doing this on a regular basis and have managed to secure it up to this point (I've been the one involved with the last two attacks, instead of the person with me).

[Barkeep49]

Activity picks up a bit in the afternoon. First Blade posts the night's brig list. Spending the night in relative safety will be Vince, Penny, Realdeal, Schmidty.

Then you notice Saldana acting strangely around Mr. Bug. He even goes so far as to poke and prod causing Mr. Bug no small deal of annoyance. Finally saldana finishes, and seeming satisified, leaves Mr. Bug alone.

Finally, SnDvls announces who will be carrying tonight. It surprises no one to see that the list is SnDvls, Fouts, Pass, Schmidty, hoops, and Blade.

Everyone hopes that tonight turns out as well for the survivors as the past few nights have.

[Blade6119]

Blade, how did you know the trust?

Blade, how would you know who all of the Absolute Trust people were when it appears they didn't know who each other were? I saw that you had an edited post that you had removed talking about role reveals, but had never seen it before it was edited, back when you and Fouts were going at it on Friday evening.

through bek...he has recieved one PM every night from the start hinting about the trust and who is in it...at first he just knew it was an officer(turned out to be kwhit) and a private(turned out to be penny)...we narrowed it down to those two before we knew for sure due to the actions of others who fit those role types and the claims of those and others...thats why when i posted it orginally i said 99% sure of the two others, and not 100%. One thing to note though, as bek asked and barkeep verified...since the only found out about each other by hintby hint, it is possible one of the absolute trust was converted before anyone knew who he was...now i dont know if they would stay in the trust or leave it(relating to the 3 standing now), but barkeep said they would not be notified if one was converted before they knew him...ill have to ask bek for further clarification, but thats what i got from what he said...

[Passacaglia]

VOTE BLADE

[Raiders Army]

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[jeff061]

Yeah man, don't think Pass is in the trust.

Still, let's keep our present direction and think it over tomorrow.

[Poli]

kicks coma boy.

[Blade6119]

See post 738.

Do what you will, i havent cleared anyone, and havent gotten a single innocent killed...i have suggested some be, but you have all suggested i be so were both guilty of the same crime...

[jeff061]

And you probably shouldn't be talking to Bek outside the game about this, it's pretty much an illegal PM.

[hoopsguy]

We have another Duplicant on our hands?

[Barkeep49]

through bek...he has recieved one PM every night from the start hinting about the trust and who is in it...at first he just knew it was an officer(turned out to be kwhit) and a private(turned out to be penny)...we narrowed it down to those two before we knew for sure due to the actions of others who fit those role types and the claims of those and others...thats why when i posted it orginally i said 99% sure of the two others, and not 100%. One thing to note though, as bek asked and barkeep verified...since the only found out about each other by hintby hint, it is possible one of the absolute trust was converted before anyone knew who he was...now i dont know if they would stay in the trust or leave it(relating to the 3 standing now), but barkeep said they would not be notified if one was converted before they knew him...ill have to ask bek for further clarification, but thats what i got from what he said...
The Absolute Trust circle would be notified if at ANY time someone leaves, even if they do not know that someone is in the circle.

Also I must say that people should not be communicating outside of this thread unless they have the ability to do so (either as Security Chief or Spawn). It's very important to the game to have everyone on equal footing and awareness.

[Blade6119]

And you probably shouldn't be talking to Bek outside the game about this, it's pretty much an illegal PM.

if you prefer we can talk in thread...no worries...well just develop a code so no one can understand it...but if you wish that we can do it...

[saldana]

We have another Duplicant on our hands?

hopefully you will take me at my word on this, and i did hint at the fact earlier when i suggested that there may be multiples of secret rolls.

i have been spied on twice now, and have never left my bed, so again i hope you believe me (i am in the middle circle of trust ;) )...i used my duplicant ability to become a doctor and scanned bug...he is a survivor, clean as a whistle.

[Barkeep49]

if you prefer we can talk in thread...no worries...well just develop a code so no one can understand it...but if you wish that we can do it...
While no one can stop you, it does violate the spirit of the game and I would ask that you not do so.

[Poli]

Does his butt hurt?

[Blade6119]

The Absolute Trust circle would be notified if at ANY time someone leaves, even if they do not know that someone is in the circle.

Also I must say that people should not be communicating outside of this thread unless they have the ability to do so (either as Security Chief or Spawn). It's very important to the game to have everyone on equal footing and awareness.

Ok, i understand what bek was saying and no more outside talk..i dont like him anyway ;)

[Blade6119]

Yeah man, don't think Pass is in the trust.

Still, let's keep our present direction and think it over tomorrow.

Typo, nothing more

[jeff061]

if you prefer we can talk in thread...no worries...well just develop a code so no one can understand it...but if you wish that we can do it...

Heh, that's not my point. The process of developing a code is still a form of communication taking place outside the game :).

[jeff061]

Typo, nothing more

For what?

[saldana]

Does his butt hurt?

i did the non-butt invasive exam, but i assure you he is not a spawn.

i suggest we reconsider the raiders army vote and pick one of the few poeple that are still on the low end of the trust scale, just a suggestion..if no one else wants to , i will vote RA before 9 to make sure we get a lynching

[Fouts]

VOTE BLADE

Dude, whats up? Also, you referenced post #738, which is RA talking about who he has cleared. I don't find any connections.

[MrBug708]

hopefully you will take me at my word on this, and i did hint at the fact earlier when i suggested that there may be multiples of secret rolls.

i have been spied on twice now, and have never left my bed, so again i hope you believe me (i am in the middle circle of trust ;) )...i used my duplicant ability to become a doctor and scanned bug...he is a survivor, clean as a whistle.


See?

[Blade6119]

why cant someone scan me...its like people enjoy me being not trusted

[Blade6119]

For what?
Using Pass' name instead of penny in my long post as the private in the trust...its corrected now

[Poli]

i did the non-butt invasive exam, but i assure you he is not a spawn.

i suggest we reconsider the raiders army vote and pick one of the few poeple that are still on the low end of the trust scale, just a suggestion..if no one else wants to , i will vote RA before 9 to make sure we get a lynchingI did UNVOTE RA. But just to make sure.

[jeff061]

If we had no doubts, Bug ,we'd just vote on ya and not scan ya.

[jeff061]

Using Pass' name instead of penny in my long post as the private in the trust...its corrected now

K, that's what I figured right away, but I didn't want to throw the answer to you.

[Poli]

COFFEE!!! WHERE BE ME COFFEE??

[Blade6119]

gotta go to class, so since i still think hes my #1 and it doesnt matter since RA is dead

Vote lathum

[saldana]

COFFEE!!! WHERE BE ME COFFEE??

your coffee beyotch is at work again tonight, dont expect him anytime before 3 am.

[Blade6119]

oh ardent, you owe me for letting you out of the brig...that damn singing got too annoying

[Barkeep49]

Ok, i understand what bek was saying and no more outside talk..i dont like him anyway ;)
Thanks Blade and bek.

[MrBug708]

If we had no doubts, Bug ,we'd just vote on ya and not scan ya.

English?

[Fouts]

Unvote Raiders Army

Waste of a vote if he'll just die of thirst in 2 days. What other options are there? Lathum or Blade. Anyone else?

[Poli]

oh ardent, you owe me for letting you out of the brig...that damn singing got too annoying

...

[hoopsguy]

He will die of thirst in 2 days, but until then we won't be able to have a nurse.

If he is alive tomorrow I would expect Vince to try and bring him back to us again. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, but my vote for Raiders was based upon killing him so we can promote Pennywise and have two scanners starting tomorrow morning.

I'll change to ensure that we have enough votes on someone, if required - I don't want to have to allocate water for an extra guy. Kind of brutal, but we are now at that stage in the game.

[Fouts]

We're giving a free turn to the spawn. I think we have it narrowed down. We can kill one and scan the other. Who else isn't spoken for?

Vote Lathum

[Raiders Army]

He will die of thirst in 2 days, but until then we won't be able to have a nurse.

If he is alive tomorrow I would expect Vince to try and bring him back to us again. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, but my vote for Raiders was based upon killing him so we can promote Pennywise and have two scanners starting tomorrow morning.

I'll change to ensure that we have enough votes on someone, if required - I don't want to have to allocate water for an extra guy. Kind of brutal, but we are now at that stage in the game.
...

[Poli]

......

[Raiders Army]

LOL

[Poli]

LOL...

[KWhit]

Vote Lathum.

I can see voting for RA too. If I need to change it I will.

[saldana]

i think this is the better idea

vote lathum

[Poli]

...

[Raiders Army]

...
The three dots are microscopic spawn that enter you through your peehole.

[MrBug708]

Vote - Lathum

[hoopsguy]

With Bug's vote, I have a count of 5-5 right now.
Bek - Lathum (1682)
Raiders - RealDeal (1774), Jeff (1776), Pennywise (1778), Hoopsguy (1829), Schmidty (1833)
Lathum - Blade (1895), Fouts (1903), KWhit (1908), Saldana (1909), Bug (1912)

[Raiders Army]

Vote Lathum

In self-defense.

[hoopsguy]

A tremendous vote by the quadrapelegic, in self-defense.

Does anyone have the post number for Bek's vote? I could not find it.

There were a couple of posts earlier today that were votes/unvotes. It is possible that Bek was in this group. I just looked through the last 100 or so.

[Poli]

...

[hoopsguy]

Guys, I'm not sure this is a free turn for the spawn, per se. We are getting a nurse one turn earlier by voting for Raiders. A vote for Lathum feels a little random - like we are voting for him because he has been working off-shift and because no one is vouching for him.

The last time I put a counter-argument out like this we got Marc, so perhaps it is better this way. I'm just worried that we have multiple spawn who are now moving here to lynch a villager and go after Vince in the brig after our change in personnel. I'm having a hard time reading the bandwagons in this game.

[saldana]

A tremendous vote by the quadrapelegic, in self-defense.

Does anyone have the post number for Bek's vote? I could not find it.

There were a couple of posts earlier today that were votes/unvotes. It is possible that Bek was in this group. I just looked through the last 100 or so.
bek didnt vote yet, lathum voted for bek in post 1682

i think it is important that someone die tonight, so i guess

unvote lathum, vote RA

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, we are going to need a vote from you, it appears.

[Poli]

...

[hoopsguy]

nm, saldana has broken the tie.

[jeff061]

I'm very suspicious of people voting for Latum right now. I think it's pretty clear cut that getting Penny to a nurse position is worth "wasting" tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Also, fwiw Saldana has moved up the trust ladder by showing a secret role. I'm glad you were able to clear Bug. I'm wondering if anyone playing this rule set has the duplicant play any role other than doctor. Vigilante, perhaps?

[Fouts]

I don't know that Lathum is a spawn. My reasoning is this: we need to start narrowing down the field, and giving water to those that are helping the survivors. I am voting for someone with a higher probability of being a spawn (than the others), and hasn't really contributed to the analysis.

If we believe Vince, then RA is no longer a spawn. Why vote for a confirmed survivor? This is similar to the dart being used on a villager. I don't waste good guys for no good reason. Then again, I have been known to be wrong on who the good guys are.

[RealDeal]

RA is the better vote becuase we get another scanner. Let's keep our all on the ball guys. There was a strategy put in place: put penny in the brig tonight, kill RA, penny becomes nurse. I don't know if it's the best or worst plan, but it was better than what we've done the last two days and it definitely sets us up with a second scanner.

With the extra scan we can get from penny, we can scan Lathum tomorrow .

The two days it will take RA to die from thirst is a long time. We can't wait until we are out of water to get the extra scan.

[saldana]

i tried to save it until i thought it would be the most useful....also, i volunteer to be left off the water list...we dont really need 5 engineers, and my secret power is gone

[Fouts]

I don't agree with the vote, but I will try to keep a team effort.

Unvote Lathum

Vote Raiders Army

[Poli]

...

[Poli]

Voting window closed.

[RealDeal]

If you were willing to be left off the water list and die, why didn't you do two short scans instead of one long one?

[hoopsguy]

I still think the Penny scan tomorrow goes towards Vince, so we know that each of them is a force for good for the remainder of their tenure in the game. I'll keep them both properly hydrated with high quality H2O after we get that news.

Also, what do people think is the right amount of engineers to keep around? We obviously can't have five of them. But as of right now all five engineers have been cleared in some way, shape or form.

Saldana - duplicant today
MrW - empathic Day 3, helped deliver Dubb (converted spawn 50% retain empathic, but actions do not suggest this on Day 3 at least)
MrBug - scanned by Saldana today
Jeff - self-proclaimed Vigilante Night 3, never contradicted
Bek - Absolute Trust, cleared by Pennywise

[saldana]

If you were willing to be left off the water list and die, why didn't you do two short scans instead of one long one?
i thought i could become infected in a short scan...i didnt have time to re-read the role and screwed up...my bad...i could only be infected by a spawnling (which there arent any more of). i should have done 2 short.

[Poli]

As I could not be around at the time of voting ending I asked Ardent to post this for me. -BK

The day comes to an end and emotions run high. While some are very uncomfortable picking on a vegatable, especially one their doctor says might be curable, the crowd in the end decides all he is doing is taking up valuable space. And so the crowd descends upon Raiders Army.

Just as they are about to unleash their fury upon him, and booming voice goes HALT!. Everyone turns to their Captain, Ardent Enthusiast to see what he has to say.

"While I understand the crew's wanting to kill Raiders I cannot allow that to happen. Instead I order you to kill jeff!"

At first no one moves, but then they remember that their trust in the Captain, and that he has not led them astray. Jeff is taken completely by surprised and can't mutter more than a few words protesting his innocence before the crowd swarms upon him. Soon he is dead and his body dismembered only to find that Jeff was but a SURVIVOR!.

Murmurs immeadiately start as to whether the Captain can be trusted anymore, as the crew heads to sleep.

There is a mandatory mutiny vote tonight. You must send me a message either with:

Vote Yes (meaning kill Ardent)

or

Vote No (meaning keep Ardent)

All votes, and night actions, are due by 9 AM tomorrow morning. All votes are by PM.

[Poli]

All right guys, you deserve an explanation.

I never trusted Jeff061. Sorry. I owe you one, Jeff.

I sent in this order very early this morning. I didn't want RA to die, and I want Vince to revive him. I knew someone had to go, so I went with my best guess. I was wrong. I felt like I HAD to do something. At least it is one less mouth to feed water.

You'll notice I voted RA early, but switched off. I wanted to see if anyone would follow the vote. I switched off when it was confirmed by barkeep that Jeff would be dieing regardless because of my order.

That said, I'd like to remain the captain, so VOTE NO to keep me.

Plus, if you keep me I be splitting me buried treasure with ya. That's a promise as true as the North Star. What say ye?

[SnDvls]

am I too late??


damn time change

[RealDeal]

i could have become a spawn

No. That only happens if you found a spawnling, and there aren't spawnlings anymore.

Doctor (2 AP per cycle)
Short examination Day Only The Doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn (in other words a spawnling), the doctor will learn this, and have a good chance of curing the crew member. In this case there is a small chance the doctor will become infected or that either or both the doctor and crew member will die. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor and crew member will die. 1 AP

[Poli]

I've been under a gag order for about the past hour...hence the ... posts.

The dots represent my agony.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I guess this plays a role in my engineer conversation from earlier.

Ardent, I'm sure I speak for all the non-spawn when I say that I wish you had guessed better. Can you walk through what was the logic behind the Jeff vote? As I've noted earlier today, I'm pretty inclined to think that you are not spawn but would love to hear a little more on this before casting the mutiny vote tonight.

I think lynching Lathum, to pick one person, would have been a preferred way to go. Obviously this is posted with hindsight being 20/20 and everyone would have toasted your name if you had nailed a spawn here.

[saldana]

WTF AE!!!!!! the logic to kill raiders was flawless...i like RA just as much as the next guy, but now we have a day with no scans!!!! we have to waste the doctor again to TRY to cure the veggie????!!!! thanks to you, we get nothing again tommorow and i wasted my duplicant ability today to make up for the attempt to save RA.

havent you ever seen star trek 2? the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one...RA's death would have probably won the game for us.

WTF!

[saldana]

No. That only happens if you found a spawnling, and there aren't spawnlings anymore.
yeah, see post 1932

[Poli]

This morning Lathum wasn't on the radar, but he definitely is tonight. This morning and the past couple of days I've thought Jeff may be the last guy. My main concern was his use of vigilante. He went after kingfc when I'm not sure he should have.

I felt if Jeff was dirty, we'd be done, or maybe have Fouts up next. I was wrong. Maybe Lathum is our guy.

Regardless, the decision was made early this morning, before the votes started rolling out. I knew we needed someone gone today.

I suppose this is a golden opportunity to take two people out of the game, though I highly suggest you don't do that.

[RealDeal]

We suck, all of us including myself. Why can't we stick to the same plan for at least a day at a time.

This is real simple: if we maximize our total number of scans, share our info, and lynch an uncleared person every turn, we win. If we pull four different ways, we lose.

I don't understand what's so hard about getting a replacement nurse. Today we managed to squander the doctor's AP points and kill another innocent non-comatose crew member all without managing to do anything to make penny a nurse-- although we did manage to put him in the brig, which doesn't mean shit since he's not a nurse now. Plus, we had a second duplicant who for some reason did a long scan (essentially wasting a scan), and our doctor refuses to do anything other than a long scan.

Up until 30 minutes before the deadline we were going to have a nurse, then half of us suddenly decided to band wagon another guy, and then our captain decided to kill a third guy instead.

What exactly are we trying to do here?

[Poli]

WTF AE!!!!!! the logic to kill raiders was flawless...i like RA just as much as the next guy, but now we have a day with no scans!!!! we have to waste the doctor again to TRY to cure the veggie????!!!! thanks to you, we get nothing again tommorow and i wasted my duplicant ability today to make up for the attempt to save RA.

havent you ever seen star trek 2? the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one...RA's death would have probably won the game for us.

WTF!The order was sent well before any of this transpired. Sorry. I did what I thought was right.

[jeff061]

Deja Vu.

[Poli]

Sorry, bud.

[jeff061]

That makes so little sense I can't even be mad.

[Poli]

Well at least there's that.

[jeff061]

Yeah last time this happened I spent 4 hours convincing people not to vote for me, succesfully, only to be duked(I was innocent then to).

Soooo, at least I didn't waste any time this time :).

[hoopsguy]

Well, we don't have to try and save Raiders again tomorrow. But now it is once again an option for Vince, or any officer who decides to order this.

This is not an ideal result, obviously. But if Vince takes another crack at Raiders again tomorrow and is successful then that could get us our 2nd scan tomorrow. I don't see any wiggle room in the role descriptions that would allow Raiders to have been re-converted (as noted by Vince).

Two issues I see:
1.) We changed the mix in the brig, potentially introducing more danger to Vince
2.) If we go Raiders again tomorrow and can't bring him back to us, then there is a pretty good chance we will be repeating today's plan of attack. Lost time.

[Poli]

I was looking out for you. :)

[Fouts]

I am speechless. I can understand saving RA, but jeff? Ok.

[Schmidty]

Damn.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so do people want to discuss this vote in the thread or just cast votes privately?

[Poli]

Please, discuss. Please.

[Poli]

Blast you, MrBug. You send the PM to barkeep, not me. :(

[Schmidty]

Blast you, MrBug. You send the PM to barkeep, not me. :(

WTF?

[saldana]

i just want to say again that i screwed up with the scan today, i wasnt planning on doing that today, and only did because vince didnt scan anyone...i worked my first day at a brand new job today, and had a meeting earlier tonight, so i only had about 10 minutes to read over 100 posts and pm barkeep...in fact, i asked him to post the scan results in the thread if he didnt hear from me by 8 because i didnt even know if i would be back before 9...i didnt have time to go back and re read the doctors role...so that is my bad, i screwed it up, which is why i volunteered to go without water, to make up for it.

[Poli]

From Mrbug,

"Kill Ardent"

:(

[Blade6119]

i think it should be open...everyone will think im being spawn boy again, but i see a real upside to killing him...it allows us the opportunity to have one less mouth to feed and either confirms or denies the suspicious ardent has around himself now(and if he is spawn, kills our entire gameplan as he has spent the last two night in the brig with our "trusted ones"...one thing i dont get:

Ardent was around when i was at 5...he says he sent it in the morning, but he could hae switched it up until half an hour before...why wouldnt he when he saw all the logic, as it was there when i left a 5.

[Poli]

I'm not one to switch off a "solid" decision. This to me was a solid decision.

[MrBug708]

From Mrbug,

"Kill Ardent"

:(

Now Now Ardent :D I wouldnt go to all that trouble to kill ya and then laugh a ya

[Blade6119]

Guys, I'm not sure this is a free turn for the spawn, per se. We are getting a nurse one turn earlier by voting for Raiders. A vote for Lathum feels a little random - like we are voting for him because he has been working off-shift and because no one is vouching for him.

The last time I put a counter-argument out like this we got Marc, so perhaps it is better this way. I'm just worried that we have multiple spawn who are now moving here to lynch a villager and go after Vince in the brig after our change in personnel. I'm having a hard time reading the bandwagons in this game.

I dont know who was the right kill, but the reason i want lathum lynched is he has the ability to "scan"(interrogate) and for the second straight day has not used it...thats a major piece, as major as getting a nurse..either killing RA or lathum would have gotten us scans by promoting someone else, and i dont think everyone saw it that way

[Blade6119]

I'm not one to switch off a "solid" decision. This to me was a solid decision.

How so? Care to explain your reasoning on jeff, as it better be a whole lot better then i got a bad vibe...i havent seen any evidence on him like i have RA in the coma confirmed spawn or lathum not using his major power

[saldana]

i already voted, and i think from my last post, you can guess what i had to say...AE could have changed his order at any point during the day...he had nothing but a hunch that he decided to go on without any consideration for the rest of us.

[Fouts]

How so? Care to explain your reasoning on jeff, as it better be a whole lot better then i got a bad vibe...i havent seen any evidence on him like i have RA in the coma confirmed spawn or lathum not using his major power

I'm gonna have to agree with blade here. BTW, who would become Capt? KWhit right?

[hoopsguy]

OK, so let me pose this question - are people more confident with KWhit than with Ardent at this point in the game? Because he will be the new captain if Ardent is cast away at sea.

[Blade6119]

OK, so let me pose this question - are people more confident with KWhit than with Ardent at this point in the game? Because he will be the new captain if Ardent is cast away at sea.

100%....i trust kwhit fully due to his absolute trust standing...if he was ever converted, penny and bek would know it...i dont buy the spawn got all three so far, so one of them would have come forward..those three are my new top three in trust, followed by realdeal...everyone else im paranoid about

[Poli]

How so? Care to explain your reasoning on jeff, as it better be a whole lot better then i got a bad vibe...i havent seen any evidence on him like i have RA in the coma confirmed spawn or lathum not using his major power
My main concern was that he went after kingfc22...whom I knew to be good. I had the opportunity to Pm with kingfc22 early on. Jeff was a little difficult early on, making me think he may be doing it on purpose. When he ended up killing kingfc22 on a vigilante mission, red flags went up. I've been thinking about doing this for days.

I would hope you guys don't kill another survivor, but I suppose it is up to you.

[Poli]

And now I've lost to Suicane in the HFL. Can it get much worse? :(

[Poli]

Don't do it guys, I'm worth it.

[jeff061]

I think I just bit through my tounge.

[Poli]

Hey, I thought you weren't mad.

[Blade6119]

My main concern was that he went after kingfc22...whom I knew to be good. I had the opportunity to Pm with kingfc22 early on. Jeff was a little difficult early on, making me think he may be doing it on purpose. When he ended up killing kingfc22 on a vigilante mission, red flags went up. I've been thinking about doing this for days.

I would hope you guys don't kill another survivor, but I suppose it is up to you.

if im not mistaken, isnt vigilante a confirmed survivor only role?? I trusted king as my #1 for days, and was beyond disheartened to see him go...but a few people had cast doubts about him and jeff followed up on them...the vigilante had to take a shot sometime, and i could see it being then..doesnt do it for me, it might for others but im now going to send a yes vote to barkeep

[Blade6119]

Don't do it guys, I'm worth it.

How so, what value do you hold now? Unless im missing some secret role reveal, you used your duke role...

[Poli]

I wasn't sold on him really having vigilante. I thought he could be faking it.

[Blade6119]

I wasn't sold on him really having vigilante. I thought he could be faking it.

And schmidty and he corraborating each others stories?

[Poli]

How so, what value do you hold now? Unless im missing some secret role reveal, you used your duke role...Nope, I still have my power, the way I understand it.

[Poli]

And schmidty and he corraborating each others stories?I believe you mean Fouts...and yes I thought it was a possibility.

[Blade6119]

Nope, I still have my power, the way I understand it.

Even if you do, you used it to hurt the team today...i like you ardent, even if you never chat on aim anymore, but i think getting you out is best for all of us

[Poli]

Negative Ghost rider.

[Blade6119]

I believe you mean Fouts...and yes I thought it was a possibility.

I did, thank you for the correction...i retract that point

[Poli]

No problem, please retract the vote.

[Blade6119]

No problem, please retract the vote.

No, the one point....all my others still stand...i think its a good move for you to go...my vote is set barring someone corraborating you, and vince's day one doesnt count after all this time

[Poli]

Hmmph. I don't know how anyone could do that. You're making a mistake, though. I'd stake a year of hattrick supporter on it.

[Poli]

Hey, haven't I been in jail forever? IE Brig?

[Fouts]

100%....i trust kwhit fully due to his absolute trust standing...if he was ever converted, penny and bek would know it...i dont buy the spawn got all three so far, so one of them would have come forward..those three are my new top three in trust, followed by realdeal...everyone else im paranoid about

I totally agree with this. If we cant trust the 3 in the absolute group, we are beyond screwed. This move will almost guarantee us an uncompromised leader, that is giving orders.

[Blade6119]

Hey, haven't I been in jail forever? IE Brig?

No, the first two nights were other people...you were in night 3 and 4, and are back out as others were more trusted or needed

[Blade6119]

this game is soo weird...im used to completely distrusting both fouts and realdeal and they have been two of my biggest allies so far....what is the world coming to

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I'm all for stringing up the captain if people come up with an argument for him as spawn, as opposed to flat wrong on his decision today.

He had a power, he used it, and it was wrong. The same as Jeff when he used his vigilante role on Kingfc.

So if you think Ardent is spawn, at what point in the game did he become spawn? Initially? Converted? We don't have an option to demote him - it is either retain him as captain or kill him. And I don't want to kill another survivor today. There is no reward in it like there was in Raiders.

Yes, I realize that we retain water. And I'm willing to take a little longer shots because of this factor. But not stone cold guesses. I'm not looking to punish him for being wrong; I'm looking to win the game.

[Poli]

I'm still a survivor. Like I said, I'm willing to stake some supporter on it. I'll even buy a youth pull for over market price if I'm lieing to you.

[Passacaglia]

I'm with Blade on this one. Although I disagree with killing RA, it seems like a spawn move, i.e. he was worried RA would give everyone up.

[Poli]

OK, so I'm all for stringing up the captain if people come up with an argument for him as spawn, as opposed to flat wrong on his decision today.

He had a power, he used it, and it was wrong. The same as Jeff when he used his vigilante role on Kingfc.

So if you think Ardent is spawn, at what point in the game did he become spawn? Initially? Converted? We don't have an option to demote him - it is either retain him as captain or kill him. And I don't want to kill another survivor today. There is no reward in it like there was in Raiders.

Yes, I realize that we retain water. And I'm willing to take a little longer shots because of this factor. But not stone cold guesses. I'm not looking to punish him for being wrong; I'm looking to win the game.
Thank you hoops. There may be a dinner at The Silo in this for you if I live.

[Poli]

I'm with Blade on this one. Although I disagree with killing RA, it seems like a spawn move, i.e. he was worried RA would give everyone up.
Not AT ALL. I want Vince to heal RA. I definitely want RA to live.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, if he was worried that RA would give people up he would have let him die today.

[Poli]

Pass, if he was worried that RA would give people up he would have let him die today.Exactly.

[saldana]

i dont care if he is a spawn or not at this point...he didnt act in the best interest of the crew, period.

[Blade6119]

OK, so I'm all for stringing up the captain if people come up with an argument for him as spawn, as opposed to flat wrong on his decision today.

He had a power, he used it, and it was wrong. The same as Jeff when he used his vigilante role on Kingfc.

So if you think Ardent is spawn, at what point in the game did he become spawn? Initially? Converted? We don't have an option to demote him - it is either retain him as captain or kill him. And I don't want to kill another survivor today. There is no reward in it like there was in Raiders.

Yes, I realize that we retain water. And I'm willing to take a little longer shots because of this factor. But not stone cold guesses. I'm not looking to punish him for being wrong; I'm looking to win the game.

I think the water is nice, but i also think a key is now he went from trusted to suspicious in everyones minds..he was cleared on day one, leaving a lot of time between now and then to be converted...

the biggest for me was his order to lift-off...i know i personally as well as at least two others felt this was a bad move with our water situation at the time...i know we wanted to stop more conversions, but their is still a spawn role out there converting barkeep said(or attempting to, or has the ability to)...and now were rationing water and praying we dont give it to spawn since we have so little...we generate 1.5 units of water a day, but thats not enough for the crew...lift-off made me suspicious, and him being in the brig did nothing for me...after what happened to ra and dubb for him to attack in the brig would be idiotic...this vote switch off a potential still spawn(vince says he cured him, but hes in a coma so who knows) and preventing a new nurse to a widely accepted survivor who had killed king when some had doubts...i didnt know anyone else to have doubts of jeff, especially after fouts cleared him and he fouts(which reminds me, fouts is clear as can be now)...got me hoops?

[Poli]

I thought I was.

[Poli]

Liftoff was considered essential by many.

[Blade6119]

I thought I was.

And in killing you i think we are too...we may be wrong just like you, only one way to find out though