Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[SnDvls]

VOTE all survivors :)

Well that's me :)

[Raiders Army]

Now that I'm a ghost, I have a bunch of bruises where someone kicked me numerous times. I'd like to find that person, but I doubt I'll find him up here with me in Heaven.

[hoopsguy]

OK, not going to have as much access today as I did over the last couple of days when I was home sick. Events this morning went down about how I thought they would, given the gag order.

My course of action would have been very clear if Vince had come back from the scan and said I was spawn. But no such luck.

Vince could have been infected while curing Raiders. This is listed in the role description (Post #1) and has been cited by me earlier in the game for being suspicious of Vince.


Long examination Day Only The doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn, the doctor will learn this, and will cure the crew member. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor will have a chance to cure the crew member. There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected. 2 AP


Let's look at his actions since that day:
Clear Schmidty
Fail to revive Raiders
Clear Penny/Lathum
Clear Me/KWhit

Seems like he is having a run of bad luck here. Everyone he looks at is clean. Which is how the spawn have to play the doctor role, since they can't get in a one-for-one trade without having the advantage of numbers.

Mr. Wednesday is easy for us to determine tonight - no water. If he is dead tomorrow then it is pretty clear he was telling the truth about Vince. MrW, if you are a survivor then we all appreciate your sacrifice, as it should go a long ways towards us winning this game. If you are spawn, then you will be lynched tomorrow and have gone a long way towards clearing Vince. But I don't think trades like this make sense for spawn, so I'm inclined to believe you.

I'll be able to supply water for six people tonight. We will lynch someone today and everyone who did not get water today (besides MrW) will be re-hydrated, if that is a word, tomorrow. If this is not the case, then someone changed my orders.

[Poli]

Now that I'm a ghost, I have a bunch of bruises where someone kicked me numerous times. I'd like to find that person, but I doubt I'll find him up here with me in Heaven.
I be in Davy Jones's locker.

[hoopsguy]

With the security crew being dehydrated and exhausted today (in part because my water orders were modified, as I gave water to two of them, not one), I'm expecting an attack on me tonight. Right now I consider this their biggest risk - that I rotate water evenly and keep just about the entire crew alive so we can efficiently root them out. Having the security crew dehydrated and exhausted helps with their rolls.

So since Passacaglia is the only security guy who is not dehydrated, I've got a different approach. Let me know if you think this makes sense:

Dump me in the Brig tonight. That means I can't guard the water, but it also means there are only three people who can eliminate me.
- there is more than one spawn left
- at least one of MrW and Vince are spawn. We find out about MrW if he is alive tomorrow
- we try to lynch a spawn today
- put me in the cell with the three remaining players that you most suspect of being spawn. If I'm dead it makes it pretty clear who to target going forward
- Pass guards the water. Hopefully there is not a spawn outside of the brig to attack it

If I die in the water, we still have at least eight people who got water yesterday around to continue the fight. That number assumes we lynch someone today who got water last night and that the random number generator is as brutal as it can possibly be. And we should have a good lead on the remaining spawn if I'm not here.

If I'm alive tomorrow then I can keep the remainder of the crew alive as long as the water is protected. Placing spawn suspects in the Brig helps with keeping the water protected.

Are there any tremendous flaws in my argument? If so, please jump in and let me know.

[pennywisesb]

Thats good analysis Hoops. I keep going back and forth on the issue.

SnDvls, I really couldn't find any good evidence against you and for the most part your posts seem to clear you in my book eventhough you haven't been officially checked out by anyone that I know of.

As far as Vince being converted, I guess that makes sense. His arguments from the beginning have been that he couldn't have been converted after liftoff because conversions can't happen--well thats true as far as attacks go, but not in the case of trying to cure someone. Obviously, we'll know tomorrow because if Mr. W. dies of dehydration, he was telling the truth and Vince gets lynched tomorrow.

The more and more I think of it, it wouldn't make sense for Mr. W to make a claim like that given his impending situation. At this point I think he's telling the truth and that Vince probably is spawn.

[pennywisesb]

I agree that hoops should be put into the brig, and now we need to agree on who the other 3 should be.

If Vince is proven to be spawn, it would make sense why he was so adamant on reviving RA and not letting him die so that I could be promoted to Nurse. I think he was scared that if I was promoted to nurse he would be scanned the first chance I got. Now he delayed that process an entire day. It also makes sense why he scanned KWit after 3 of us could have vouched that he was a survivor. By scanning KWit, he basically wasted a scan. Just throwing out new revelations I've had.

[SnDvls]

hoops - thank you finally some logic. I agree with you assement of the situation. Do we sacrafice Mr. W then to clear/damn Vince?

[Blade6119]

I agree that hoops should be put into the brig, and now we need to agree on who the other 3 should be.

If Vince is proven to be spawn, it would make sense why he was so adamant on reviving RA and not letting him die so that I could be promoted to Nurse. I think he was scared that if I was promoted to nurse he would be scanned the first chance I got. Now he delayed that process an entire day. It also makes sense why he scanned KWit after 3 of us could have vouched that he was a survivor. By scanning KWit, he basically wasted a scan. Just throwing out new revelations I've had.

Problem is the vote is like 4-0 against me...you wont have a brig tonight boys :(

[SnDvls]

Problem is the vote is like 4-0 against me...you wont have a brig tonight boys :(

can't the commander switch the vote, yes I know that triggers a mutiney vote, but no one should vote to mutiny in this case.

[pennywisesb]

Problem is the vote is like 4-0 against me...you wont have a brig tonight boys :(

I think people need to take their votes off of Blade. I think its very important to put Hoops in the brig.

[MrBug708]

My DSL is out and Im at an internet cafe right now but

Vote - Vince

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, I think we have to sacrifice MrW in order to validate/refute his charge. I'm glad that RealDeal did not change my water allocation in terms of giving him water because I thought we could be headed down this path.

Blade - if you want to live for tomorrow I would suggest starting to work up a case for a lynch today.

This is who we should NOT lynch today because it hampers our strategic value for tonight/tomorrow:
Me - water allocation
Blade - want to have the brig at least one more night
MrW - no water will claim him, or else he is lynched tomorrow
Vince - we'll have our answer on him tomorrow one way or the other
KWhit - because we don't have this option (barring mutiny)
Pass - want him to guard water tonight. If he is alive and water is damaged then he is spawn. Would suggest someone order him to do this, actually.

[hoopsguy]

Pennywise is probably not a good lynch candidate either, as the nurse.

[Blade6119]

OK, this alone makes me suspiscous of blade, that is a pretty weak argument. I belive my post in the other thread was

I would have voted for realdeal...

BUT I WAS AT WORK AND MISSED THE VOTE!!

VOTE BLADE

You have missed 3 scans...you could have submitted an order for it right now when you were on...did you??? no...your hurting the team...thats what im saying...and this confirms your around enough to give the order but arent intrrogating anyways

[hoopsguy]

My initial thoughts on who should be in the brig with me: Vince and Lathum. Third is up in the air - do we want to put someone from the security team in there if we think they are spawn? If they are not spawn, then they can help defend, even in their weakened condition.

From Post #1, on attacking rooms:
If the target of an attack is a room, is protected, and the only protector dies, there is a chance damage will be done to the room.

Defending the room with a phaser, even when exhausted and dehydrated, could still ensure that there is water available for tomorrow.

The spawn only need one successful attack against the water plant to hurt us, since no new water can be added when the water filter is damaged. The good news is that we have engineers available to fix this if the spawn are able to successfully attack it.

If the Slayer is still alive and on the outside tonight the Captain may be worth considering as your protect. But I'm thinking that Vince might have (had, if spawn now) that role, which helped him fend off attacks while in the brig.

[Blade6119]

Blade - if you want to live for tomorrow I would suggest starting to work up a case for a lynch today.

Ive made cases for just about everyone except the absolute trust(still dont get why he scanned kwhit)...hell, i presesnted all the evidence against me...im ok dying if it validates me...Question is how many guys do we have left...give 2-3 spawn and if they hit our water supply we could be even numbers real quick...should we really give them another day? Why not lynch one of vince and W(prob. w) today, decide water after that ensuring that the allies of the bad guy dont get any...that way we can maximise survivors recieving water, and we still have the clear path for tomorrow...but it would ensure the right people get water tonight

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ok, so there was evidence, so do you have any ideas how Vince could have been converted to spawn after you cleared him since you are stating now that he's spawn?My hypothesis is that RA was spawn, and Vince became infected in the process of curing RA. Remember, there was the chance of infection during the cure attempt, and all checks to date had preceded that event.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I can't, and so I'm inclined to think Mr. Wed. is definately spawn and is just trying to get the doctor lynched.I'm not, though. I've encouraged you all to take a shot at the other spawn today and revisit Vince tomorrow, how does that square with trying to get the doctor lynched? My suggestion is your best course of action: If I'm telling the truth, you still have a shot at the other spawn and you can take down Vince tomorrow. If I'm lying, then the doctor is still alive.

I would generally be OK with dumping Blade; I'm not sure whether I should be reading Vince's vote as an attempt to get rid of another innocent, or as a reverse psychological ploy where we would not expect him to kick off voting against his fellow spawn. I'm leaning toward the former but not completely discounting the possibility of the latter.

[hoopsguy]

If water and I survive the night we all have water for tomorrow. No one will die of thirst if those two conditions are met.

I'm not advocating lynching either of those two tonight because I'm hoping that MrW is lying while preparing to see that he is telling the truth.

And Blade - don't go dying to validate yourself :p

[Blade6119]

If water and I survive the night we all have water for tomorrow. No one will die of thirst if those two conditions are met.

I'm not advocating lynching either of those two tonight because I'm hoping that MrW is lying while preparing to see that he is telling the truth.

And Blade - don't go dying to validate yourself :p

Its brutal, but i think water could be a nice tool...give it only to six-7 people...lt the rest die off, and take those you trust with you...if any who didnt get water survive, kill em...if that doesnt win it, then you have a little 4-2 5-1 vote you need to make...but right now were at like 12 people which is a lot of people they can hide behind...but again, thats what i would do and that doesnt matter since im dead tonight, so i cant put ya in the brig...i can order it if youd like, but it wouldnt matter

[Mr. Wednesday]

Even though Vince's clearance of them becomes suspect, I'm still on board with the absolute trust. The only thing I'm really wondering about is whether Vince wound up examining (and giving a false clear) to the other spawn, or if he's been fortunate enough to not have to do that.

As far as the brig discussion goes... I'm not sure you should be putting Vince in there with hoops. Me either, for that matter... if you're trying to invite an attack, you want it to be from somebody who isn't part of a pair that's going to produce the lynch for tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

If water and I survive the night we all have water for tomorrow. No one will die of thirst if those two conditions are met.

I'm not advocating lynching either of those two tonight because I'm hoping that MrW is lying while preparing to see that he is telling the truth.

And Blade - don't go dying to validate yourself :p

So why dont we lynch mr w? that way we have a clear path...why wait for the night actions? If hes lying, you will know...if hes not, you will know...why wait? take a random stab and prob kill a survivor(me) over one of the two claiming the other is a spawn??... :(

[hoopsguy]

Works well, as long as you are right. Plus it is basically putting the game in one person's hands, which isn't really the point of WW games. These are supposed to be collaborative. I want to win, but I also want everyone to share in the fun of playing rather than using my role as a hammer. Might not be able to do both at some point in the game ...

[Mr. Wednesday]

I personally think it would be a better idea to take a shot at another spawn and reduce the water demand further. I'm already not getting a water ration tonight, another lynching will both offer a shot at the other spawn and eliminate one more choice as far as water goes.

[hoopsguy]

Because MrW is already dead, for all intents and purposes. So why not take a shot at another spawn tonight?

[Blade6119]

Works well, as long as you are right. Plus it is basically putting the game in one person's hands, which isn't really the point of WW games. These are supposed to be collaborative. I want to win, but I also want everyone to share in the fun of playing rather than using my role as a hammer. Might not be able to do both at some point in the game ...

At that point i might be to late...and the duke role wouldnt be around if the hammer wasnt supposed to be used...remember the x-com game...its a hammer all right

[pennywisesb]

I'm not, though. I've encouraged you all to take a shot at the other spawn today and revisit Vince tomorrow, how does that square with trying to get the doctor lynched? My suggestion is your best course of action: If I'm telling the truth, you still have a shot at the other spawn and you can take down Vince tomorrow. If I'm lying, then the doctor is still alive.


I agree with you. The quotes you are quoting were before you started giving analysis that has actually swayed me to think along your lines. So far I am agreeing with everything you've said.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade seems to be forgetting that the officers can issue orders regarding water distribution.

[Blade6119]

Because MrW is already dead, for all intents and purposes. So why not take a shot at another spawn tonight?

I see that point...i dont think this is possible, but what if w and vince are the two spawn left?? That would be soo brutal, as one way or another we will end up trusting one of them...that would be a nice play by the spawn

[Mr. Wednesday]

Among the folks that Vince has cleared, the only ones I actually have any suspicion towards are Schmidty and Lathum.

[Blade6119]

Blade seems to be forgetting that the officers can issue orders regarding water distribution.
If an officer is willing to do it, then thats all good...but i thought they had to do it before he did...with the brig, they had to order it before i sent it or i could do what i wanted

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade, if that were the case, you could use pennywise to scan Vince.

[Blade6119]

Even though Vince's clearance of them becomes suspect, I'm still on board with the absolute trust. The only thing I'm really wondering about is whether Vince wound up examining (and giving a false clear) to the other spawn, or if he's been fortunate enough to not have to do that.

As far as the brig discussion goes... I'm not sure you should be putting Vince in there with hoops. Me either, for that matter... if you're trying to invite an attack, you want it to be from somebody who isn't part of a pair that's going to produce the lynch for tomorrow.

i still dont get why your discussing brig when its 3-0 on me

And for clarification, those 3 are:
Lathum - someone ive been accusing, who despite now confirming hes around has not used his power...scanned by vince
Vince - w claims hes spawn...
Realdeal - someone vince doesnt want to scan, says he trusts him...supported vince heavily on day 3

Those three arent connected :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

Blade, if that were the case, you could use pennywise to scan Vince.

thats assuming penny gets nurse...barkeep said there is a chance, not a dead set fact he will become nurse every day

[hoopsguy]

Negative - I still think we scan Vince tomorrow with Penny's first scan even if MrW is alive and kicking without water tomorrow. If Vince is cleared at that point he has two more we can use over the course of the day. That would establish absolute faith in both healers for the rest of the way, as they would have cleared each other. By running the short exams, they would not run any chance of infection, but would take a spawn out with them.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I'd suggest ordering me to do it, too. Then the blame won't be on me if it doesn't get done!

[hoopsguy]

I'm worried about lynching RealDeal or Lathum tonight. If KWhit is killed, we want to have the ability to run a mutiny at a later date, if need be. If one of RealDeal or Lathum is a spawn, and we guess the wrong one, then they have a clear path to the Captains seat and we can't mutiny without an officer.

[hoopsguy]

On Pennywise as nurse - Post #2236 from Barkeep:
One person who does look well is Pennywisesb who after taking a look at some of the books is confident that he will be able to master the duties of a Nurse starting tomorrow.

Sounds like he is a nurse tomorrow. It is possible that I'm misinterpreting this, but it sounds like the roll has already been made here.

[Blade6119]

On Pennywise as nurse - Post #2236 from Barkeep:


Sounds like he is a nurse tomorrow. It is possible that I'm misinterpreting this, but it sounds like the roll has already been made here.

id love barkeep to confirm this, becuase if so thats wonderful news

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I'm having a hard time with my lynch vote, because many of the people I suspect (Blade, Vince, MrW, Lathum, Schmidty, Fouts, SnDvls) have roles to play this evening, either directly or as insurance against someone else.

We need security people for tonight, but hopefully not too many if we are doing the right thing with the brig. So I would probably go with one of Schmidty, Fouts, or SnDvls. I've listed them in order of most suspicious to least suspicious based on my gut feel.
- Schmidty: still having a hard time justifying Hive Mind vote for him over spawn Marc back on Day 2. Inactive for majority of this game. Cleared by Vince doesn't hold much stock at the moment.
- Fouts: never solidly cleared by anyone
- SnDvls: never solidly cleared by anyone

Going to look up some info on Fouts vs SnDvls ...

[pennywisesb]

I'm worried about lynching RealDeal or Lathum tonight.

Does this mean you want to lynch one of them tonight?

[RealDeal]

Vince was clear up until the RA scan, so if he went bad that's where he went bad.

The problem is that I trust Mr. W and I trust Vince, but obviously one of them is lying. Right now, I'm leaning toward trusting Mr. W because he is willing to give himself up and what he says is verifiable.

If there's a better choice to lynch than Blade, let me know. I'm not married to the idea of killing him, although I'm definitely not sad if that's the route we go either.

[hoopsguy]

Post #464: MarcV/Schmidty vote
Neither one of these two voted

Vote Tally
Marc Vaughan (7) -- Dubb, Lathum, Mr. Wednesday, Mr Bug, pennywisesb, Raiders Army, Schmidty
Schmidty (7) -- Ardent, hoopsguy, jeff, King, KWhit, Saldana, Vince

Post #1022 is where it is revealed that Dubb is a spawn, but we do not have any vote tally in that post. Will try to dig that up - know I collected it at one point.

I do recall Fouts fighting pretty hard to attack Vince (who we suspect was still good doctor at this point, only lost to us when he worked on RA) here but I want to see the votes to know where SnDvls stood.

[hoopsguy]

Pennywise, no I would prefer not to lynch one of them tonight. If one is spawn, and we kill the wrong one, then we have the spawn captain scenario.

If both are spawn, they will eventually kill the captain and guarantee a spawn captain scenario.

If neither is spawn, then good for the crew for not lynching them tonight.

Unless someone is positive about one of them being spawn (ie - scan) I am not looking to lynch one of these two tonight.

[Blade6119]

im going to play some Americas Army for a bit now...might get bored of being sooo talented and come back ;) in a bit...kill me if you will, just hope you take to heart who the first three to vote for me were while mr. w hasnt...when you find out im good that should give you the same path as what w dying will tell you

[Blade6119]

I think people need to take their votes off of Blade. I think its very important to put Hoops in the brig.
My last hope before i leave...

[hoopsguy]

Post #1007 has votes close to the deadline.
Dubb (8)-- Ardent, hoops, jeff, lathum, mr.bug, real, saldana, schmidty
Vince (5)-- blade, dubb, fouts, king, penny
Penny (2)-- Pass, Vince

KWhit moved his vote to Dubb and King changed his from Vince to Dubb.

Fouts voted for Vince, but SnDvls did not vote again?

[Fouts]

Like a flash people start to think back to yesterday. They now recall Real Deal going up to Hoopsguy and giving him some instructions about the water list. And so this morning, who appeared to have gotten water, wasn't who actually got water.

Indeed the poeple who are actually dehydrated are:
Mr.Wednesday
Vince
hoopsguy
Fouts
Schmidty
sndlvs

My apologies to Real and hoops but I forgot that Real had sent in some orders about the water list. I should have posted Real giving the orders yesterday but failed to do so.

Ok. This post right here condemns Realdeal. He has the power to kill the entire security crew (and he probably will tomorrow when he orders us to die of thirst). I cannot stand by and let him kill off the security crew. In this way, he is a threat to us all

Vote Realdeal

[RealDeal]

Fouts, you were on the no-water list anyway. The only difference between my list and hoops was Sndvls.

[Fouts]

Fouts, you were on the no-water list anyway. The only difference between my list and hoops was Sndvls.

Why is Schmidty on there, if he is cleared? Why is the ENTIRE security crew that can spy on that list?? Why has Lathum not performed his duties, yet cleared by Vince???

Suspected spawn:

Realdeal (cleared Vince)
Vince (cleared Lathum)
Lathum (not performing his duties because spawn can't)

There you have it. If I die of thirst tomorrow, I'll be happy in the knowledge that I got the right guys.

[RealDeal]

I didnt put Schmidty on the list. Hoops did.

[Fouts]

Post #1007 has votes close to the deadline.


KWhit moved his vote to Dubb and King changed his from Vince to Dubb.

Fouts voted for Vince, but SnDvls did not vote again?

Hoops, keep wasting your time building a case for me. I have done nothing but my job and try to find the spawn. Lathum has done nothing as the head of security. Realdeal forces a list on you killing off the security crew. Mr. W. says Vince is spawn. Why ignore all of that and search back to the beginning for trace elements??? Wake up.

[Fouts]

Well, I'd be happy to vote off either of the three at this point, if anyone agrees with me.

[Fouts]

Since I'm still here, lets see the water list for today. Hoops? Realdeal?

[Blade6119]

Why is Schmidty on there, if he is cleared? Why is the ENTIRE security crew that can spy on that list?? Why has Lathum not performed his duties, yet cleared by Vince???

Suspected spawn:

Realdeal (cleared Vince)
Vince (cleared Lathum)
Lathum (not performing his duties because spawn can't)

There you have it. If I die of thirst tomorrow, I'll be happy in the knowledge that I got the right guys.

Wow, the same three that voted for me...what a shocker!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

i made it like ten minutes in AA...lol, im sad

[hoopsguy]

I have water for six people today, assuming that we are able to protect the water.

That would go to:
Vince - if MrW is alive tomorrow, then he is spawn. If MrW is spawn, then that very strongly suggests that Vince is free and clear as doctor
SnDvls - security
Hoopsguy - need to provide the water going forward
Fouts - security
Schmidty - security
One person doubles up - have not thought too hard about this, but perhaps KWhit?

MrW is the only person I am denying water to that didn't get water yesterday. One way or another, for a good cause.

[Fouts]

Wow, the same three that voted for me...what a shocker!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Not a coincidence, I suspect. Any other thoughts on the list of 3? I could be totally off, and it be Mr. W. and Hoops as spawn. Could Mr. W see a spawn and still live and not become one? Why would Vince vote for somebody other than Mr. W?

[Fouts]

I have water for six people today, assuming that we are able to protect the water.

That would go to:
Vince - if MrW is alive tomorrow, then he is spawn. If MrW is spawn, then that very strongly suggests that Vince is free and clear as doctor
SnDvls - security
Hoopsguy - need to provide the water going forward
Fouts - security
Schmidty - security
One person doubles up - have not thought too hard about this, but perhaps KWhit?

MrW is the only person I am denying water to that didn't get water yesterday. One way or another, for a good cause.

I like the list. What is preventing Realdeal from over riding your list?

[Blade6119]

Not a coincidence, I suspect. Any other thoughts on the list of 3? I could be totally off, and it be Mr. W. and Hoops as spawn. Could Mr. W see a spawn and still live and not become one? Why would Vince vote for somebody other than Mr. W?

as vince, if someone said i was spawn i would push hard to get that person killed since they are spawn(if vince is good)...yet he votes for me...

[Fouts]

as vince, if someone said i was spawn i would push hard to get that person killed since they are spawn(if vince is good)...yet he votes for me...

I say he intentionally kept from scanning you and I. They need some suspects out there.

[RealDeal]

I havent decided yet if I will make an order on water today yet. I'm still trying to decide if I believe Vince or Mr. W. The tough part for me is there is only one way Vince could have been turned after my scan of him, and that was during the RA long scan. On the other hand, I have tended to trust Mr. W, and he is willing to give himself up to validate it.

Also, I generally have found hoopsguy to be acting pretty honorably so far, so I'm still juggling all these things in my head. Hoops wants Blade to live so he can be stowed in the brig, so I may not vote for Blade after all, despite how tired I am of him.

[Blade6119]

I say he intentionally kept from scanning you and I. They need some suspects out there.

It makes sense...gotta have fall guys so you dont get pushed into the light..i couldnt figure out why after or during the day you and i got soo many votes neither of us was or has been scanned...it just seems like poor play...or spawn play

[Fouts]

as vince, if someone said i was spawn i would push hard to get that person killed since they are spawn(if vince is good)...yet he votes for me...

Oh and to add, I think they decided before Mr. W came out with his info and vote for you as a block.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum certainly should be able to perform his public role duty - it is only a private role that he would not be able to execute. He is now the 2nd Officer - got a bump when our Captain was whacked by the crew so he no longer can interrogate.

I'm very suspicious of Lathum and moderately suspicious of RealDeal. But if I don't know which one is the spawn, then I have a hard time moving on either of them. I tried to explain the dangers in this in post #2323.

Vince is the lynch victim for tomorrow if MrW is proven to be a survivor when he is denied water.

That is why I'm not going after these three candidates. It is entirely possible that the two spawn are in this list of three. In which case, my caution tonight is potentially dragging the game out and sacrificing survivors in the process.

But you are not cleared at this point either, Fouts. This is not your fault, but that fact remains. You obviously know your role as survivor or spawn, but the rest of us don't.

[Blade6119]

I havent decided yet if I will make an order on water today yet. I'm still trying to decide if I believe Vince or Mr. W. The tough part for me is there is only one way Vince could have been turned after my scan of him, and that was during the RA long scan. On the other hand, I have tended to trust Mr. W, and he is willing to give himself up to validate it.

Also, I generally have found hoopsguy to be acting pretty honorably so far, so I'm still juggling all these things in my head. Hoops wants Blade to live so he can be stowed in the brig, so I may not vote for Blade after all, despite how tired I am of him.

You wouldnt be tired of me if i didnt have to defend myself every bloody day..ive been on the block since day three and have spent the entire game since basically trying to keep myself alive...maybe if someone had scanned me, anyone, i wouldnt be soo annoying...but instead vince is too busy clearing people who are already cleared like kwhit(if the doctor is spawn, can he infect others during exams?)

[Fouts]

I'm leaving in 20 minutes, so I leave it up to the survivors. The 3 spawn have already voted. Decide our fate. Either way, it is very dangerous to leave Real in charge of the water list. Who else can change the list? Hopefully Kwhit can over ride Realdeal. I have this feeling that the entire security crew will die of thirst tomorrow, and the spawn win.

[Blade6119]

Lathum certainly should be able to perform his public role duty - it is only a private role that he would not be able to execute. He is now the 2nd Officer - got a bump when our Captain was whacked by the crew so he no longer can interrogate.

I'm very suspicious of Lathum and moderately suspicious of RealDeal. But if I don't know which one is the spawn, then I have a hard time moving on either of them. I tried to explain the dangers in this in post #2323.

Vince is the lynch victim for tomorrow if MrW is proven to be a survivor when he is denied water.

That is why I'm not going after these three candidates. It is entirely possible that the two spawn are in this list of three. In which case, my caution tonight is potentially dragging the game out and sacrificing survivors in the process.

But you are not cleared at this point either, Fouts. This is not your fault, but that fact remains. You obviously know your role as survivor or spawn, but the rest of us don't.

And if vince scanned me right now and said i was innocent would you trust it? It seems to me we have two scanners, vince and lathum...and both are prime suspects for spawn...i dont think scans hold a lot of weight right now...i do think it will when penny gets in

[Blade6119]

I'm leaving in 20 minutes, so I leave it up to the survivors. The 3 spawn have already voted. Decide our fate. Either way, it is very dangerous to leave Real in charge of the water list. Who else can change the list? Hopefully Kwhit can over ride Realdeal. I have this feeling that the entire security crew will die of thirst tomorrow, and the spawn win.

I would ask you place a vote on someone..it will be tough to overcome their block unless we all hit one..they only need one or two swayers to kill me

[hoopsguy]

Any order by KWhit goes as the Captain. Any order by RealDeal overrides Lathum. Any vote by Lathum overrides my list.

KWhit, if you like that list you should order it to be maintained. And I think it would be terrific for someone to order Passacaglia to guard the water supply tonight if I'm in the brig to ensure that happens.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, Lathum can't scan.

[Fouts]

Lathum certainly should be able to perform his public role duty - it is only a private role that he would not be able to execute. He is now the 2nd Officer - got a bump when our Captain was whacked by the crew so he no longer can interrogate.

I'm very suspicious of Lathum and moderately suspicious of RealDeal. But if I don't know which one is the spawn, then I have a hard time moving on either of them. I tried to explain the dangers in this in post #2323.

Vince is the lynch victim for tomorrow if MrW is proven to be a survivor when he is denied water.

That is why I'm not going after these three candidates. It is entirely possible that the two spawn are in this list of three. In which case, my caution tonight is potentially dragging the game out and sacrificing survivors in the process.

But you are not cleared at this point either, Fouts. This is not your fault, but that fact remains. You obviously know your role as survivor or spawn, but the rest of us don't.

Yes I do. And it is my experience that some people do not trust in this game until it is too late. Should your list be changed again by Realdeal, we are done for. Why is that ok? How do you stop that from happening?

[RealDeal]

i'm suspicious of both Vince and Lathum too. At this point, with Vince's scans questionable, Im basically suspicious of everyone except myself and pass.

[Blade6119]

Yes I do. And it is my experience that some people do not trust in this game until it is too late. Should your list be changed again by Realdeal, we are done for. Why is that ok? How do you stop that from happening?

i think if he sends it in now, we need kwhit to send in an order for it not to be changed...that would overide anything real deal can do...kwhit is a key player here

[Fouts]

Ok. I'm going to assume that Kwith will confirm the water list and vote for the most suspicious person before I leave.

Unvote Realdeal

Vote Lathum

[RealDeal]

unvote Blade

I'm going to go with hoopsguy and keep the brig operational one more day. Not sure who i vote for yet.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, if we do end up lynching Lathum and he is a survivor then it is critical that you guard either the water or KWhit tonight. Both will be at a high level of risk.

I would love to be able to hold off on our brig decision until after the lynching, but I know that we can't do that. But another option would be to go with a max safety brig with me, KWhit, and perhaps Saldana and MrBug? That would leave the spawn on the outside to go after the water, but it would assure (as much as I think we can be assured of anything) that KWhit and I are alive tomorrow.

In that scenario, we would have to leave Pass guarding the water and hope that Schmidty, Fouts, and SnDvls are:
1.) not spawn
2.) willing to protect even though they are exhausted and dehydrated

SnDvls, can you please allocate the phasers for tonight?

[Blade6119]

Fouts, if we do end up lynching Lathum and he is a survivor then it is critical that you guard either the water or KWhit tonight. Both will be at a high level of risk.

I would love to be able to hold off on our brig decision until after the lynching, but I know that we can't do that. But another option would be to go with a max safety brig with me, KWhit, and perhaps Saldana and MrBug? That would leave the spawn on the outside to go after the water, but it would assure (as much as I think we can be assured of anything) that KWhit and I are alive tomorrow.

In that scenario, we would have to leave Pass guarding the water and hope that Schmidty, Fouts, and SnDvls are:
1.) not spawn
2.) willing to protect even though they are exhausted and dehydrated

SnDvls, can you please allocate the phasers for tonight?

Why not the same as last night, but switch you and vince? It would be hoops, bek, penny and kwhit...protect our nurse and bek is not security...thats a fairly full proof group if you ask me(assuming you dont have me completly played)

[Fouts]

If Lathum is a survivor, then I don't understand the way he played the game. I'll do my duties tonight. I really don't like how we keep giving water to engineer types, and put our important roles on the line. This makes no real sense to me, but I can't control what others do (just shake my head at it).

[Mr. Wednesday]

The group that Blade recommends for the brig is a solid one from the "protect the captain and the water" point of view.

I'm much more willing to vote Lathum than Blade, and if there is an assurance that KWhit will be relatively safe in the brig then I will register that vote.

[Blade6119]

If Lathum is a survivor, then I don't understand the way he played the game.

Agreed, Lathum has been utterly useless and has a major role...if hes a survivor it just perplexes me why he even signed up...hes done nothing and has really hurt the team..but again, vince cleared him so their may be a method to his madness..hes spawn :confused:

Vote Lathum

[RealDeal]

ok. I can go with that.

vote Lathum

[Mr. Wednesday]

Vote Lathum

[Fouts]

Vote Lathum

Ok this confuses me. You claim Vince is spawn, yet you don't vote for him or push for voting him. You'd rather take a flyer on a suspicious guy. What is UP???

[RealDeal]

Because no one is going to vote for Vince anyway until Mr. W proves himself by dying.

[Fouts]

Doctor (2 AP per cycle)
Short examination Day Only The Doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn (in other words a spawnling), the doctor will learn this, and have a good chance of curing the crew member. In this case there is a small chance the doctor will become infected or that either or both the doctor and crew member will die. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor and crew member will die. 1 AP

Long examination Day Only The doctor may choose to examine any crew member. If the crew member is a survivor, the doctor will learn this. If the crew member is infected, but has not yet become a spawn, the doctor will learn this, and will cure the crew member. If the crew member is a spawn the doctor will have a chance to cure the crew member. There is also a chance that the doctor and/or crew member will die or that the doctor will become infected. 2 AP

This is the role you were the duplicant for, and the only info you came back with is Vince is spawn. Still you do not vote for him or push a case against him. ???

[Fouts]

Because no one is going to vote for Vince anyway until Mr. W proves himself by dying.

He doesn't seem to worried about dying. That is some self-sacrifice. Well, I'm out the door, we'll see what happens tonight.

[hoopsguy]

RealDeal, I sure hope that you are not spawn here - don't think you are, but the margin for survivor error shrinks if Lathum is a survivor tonight.

Vote Lathum

[Blade6119]

Ok this confuses me. You claim Vince is spawn, yet you don't vote for him or push for voting him. You'd rather take a flyer on a suspicious guy. What is UP???

I think w knows vince isnt going to be lynched..everyone doesnt want to risk it...straight up i dont believe its possible to get vince lynched since everyone is afraid to give up the doc...this way he at least gets his better suspect dead then me

He was a duplicant, he was empath...scanned the comment vince made saying "i am not spawn"

[pennywisesb]

Why not the same as last night, but switch you and vince? It would be hoops, bek, penny and kwhit...protect our nurse and bek is not security...thats a fairly full proof group if you ask me(assuming you dont have me completly played)

I like this idea. Remember, the last thing Vince is gonna want is for me to be promoted to Nurse assuming he's spawn. I think I need protection at this point. So, at the very least, I think KWit, Hoops and me should all be in the brig.

[Blade6119]

I like this idea. Remember, the last thing Vince is gonna want is for me to be promoted to Nurse assuming he's spawn. I think I need protection at this point. So, at the very least, I think KWit, Hoops and me should all be in the brig.

Why not bek..if you trust hoops, wouldnt that ensure you would all be safe?? Or has something come along to distrust bek?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, that group for the brig looks good to me from a max-protect role.

If anything does go wrong in the brig tonight then the Absolute Trust is a load of crap, since all three of those are in that grouping.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, in post 2365 you assumed that MrW was a duplicant, when he has maintained he is an empath. Blade covered the rest of this above.

[pennywisesb]

Nothing against Bek, I just didn't know if there is someone else who is more important who should be in there. Bek doesn't really have a major role.

[pennywisesb]

So hoops, can you give the worst case scenario here again if Lathum is a survivor?

[hoopsguy]

With five votes on Lathum, that represents 1/3 of 15 and is enough for a lynching.

[Blade6119]

Nothing against Bek, I just didn't know if there is someone else who is more important who should be in there. Bek doesn't really have a major role.

That places our captain, nurse, and water rationer...im not sure anyone else is trusted enough by me to put in, and we need our security perosnnel out to protect water supply and what not...bek is there for trust reasons, not his role

[Blade6119]

With five votes on Lathum, that represents 1/3 of 15 and is enough for a lynching.

Only problem is whether or not its the highest...the vote could stil easily turn against me...for everyones own mind:

Lathum - Fouts, Blade, Mr. W, Realdeal, Hoops
Blade - Lathum, Vince

[hoopsguy]

Sure, here is where it gets bad if Lathum is a survivor.

Lathum is an officer. If RealDeal is a spawn, he can assume being captain if KWhit dies. There would not be any remaining officers to launch a mutiny. We don't have any way to kill spawn during night actions. So I don't see any way that we can win the game, although I suppose we could prolong it for a very long time.

If KWhit is a spawn, then he is now in a position to bump off the 1st officer RealDeal and achieve the same scenario I put out there in the last paragraph.

[pennywisesb]

That places our captain, nurse, and water rationer...im not sure anyone else is trusted enough by me to put in, and we need our security perosnnel out to protect water supply and what not...bek is there for trust reasons, not his role

Point taken, that's enough for me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ok this confuses me. You claim Vince is spawn, yet you don't vote for him or push for voting him. You'd rather take a flyer on a suspicious guy. What is UP???We don't get a whole lot out of me vs. him. One of us gets lynched, and it's more likely to be me than him because he's actually got an important role to play. For reasons I already discussed, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch me. It's not like we're going for the last spawn, so holding Vince/me in our back pocket for tomorrow is a reasonable strategy to pursue.

[Blade6119]

Sure, here is where it gets bad if Lathum is a survivor.

Lathum is an officer. If RealDeal is a spawn, he can assume being captain if KWhit dies. There would not be any remaining officers to launch a mutiny. We don't have any way to kill spawn during night actions. So I don't see any way that we can win the game, although I suppose we could prolong it for a very long time.

If KWhit is a spawn, then he is now in a position to bump off the 1st officer RealDeal and achieve the same scenario I put out there in the last paragraph.

The only way kwhit is spawn is if the spawn converted all three pre-liftoff, which i dont see a possible as after the converted one we would have heared about it.

And maybe we need to keep me alive so i can keep this group in the brig every night...it would ensure spawn couldnt kill kwhit, you, or our nurse...thats all our major roles going forwards...with out getting too far ahead of myself i might just be needed!! :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I'm personally satisfied with the absolute trust group. No non-spawn person would have a reason to lie about it (quite the opposite). We're basically done for if all three are spawn and there are four of them out there right now.

[pennywisesb]

Sure, here is where it gets bad if Lathum is a survivor.

Lathum is an officer. If RealDeal is a spawn, he can assume being captain if KWhit dies. There would not be any remaining officers to launch a mutiny. We don't have any way to kill spawn during night actions. So I don't see any way that we can win the game, although I suppose we could prolong it for a very long time.

If KWhit is a spawn, then he is now in a position to bump off the 1st officer RealDeal and achieve the same scenario I put out there in the last paragraph.

Ok, well, having KWit in the brig will essentially save him from being killed at this point. Also, I KNOW that KWit is not spawn so the last point is not really a factor at this point in my mind. So, basically, even if Lathum is a survivor, as long as KWit is in the brig tonight we should be ok. Your scenario really kicks in if Blade is lynched later on in the game because then the Brig becomes void meaning KWit could be killed and RD (if he is a spawn--which at this point I don't know) could be promoted which would essentially SCREW US.

[SnDvls]

SnDvls, can you please allocate the phasers for tonight?

I will once I see Barkeep put out a list of people getting water

[Blade6119]

I will once I see Barkeep put out a list of people getting water

Interesting move...very interesting...

[SnDvls]

vote Lathum

[SnDvls]

Interesting move...very interesting...


If I die no one gets phasers anymore
if I die and hand them out the people who had them get them.

I've got no problem handing them out, but I don't want Real Deal or anyone else pulling that switch crap again.

[SnDvls]

dola -

as I said before. there are some higher ups here who are bad and are doing some backdoor deals, if you know what I mean.

[Blade6119]

If I die no one gets phasers anymore
if I die and hand them out the people who had them get them.

I've got no problem handing them out, but I don't want Real Deal or anyone else pulling that switch crap again.

Works for me...different then what i first thought...seems reasonable...just praying kwhit sends in his order

[RealDeal]

I trust Kwhit and believe he's clean, but for all of you worried about the spawn officer scenario and have short memories: I am a duplicant, this was confirmed by an action post from barkeep, spawn cannot be a duplicant. It's the same reason why I trust saldana, too. Duplicant can't be faked, as I believe barkeep himself stated earlier.

For all I know, Lathum may also be clear. I don't have any better idea than anyone else right now, but with Kwhit and me, the spawn captain is the least of my worries.

[pennywisesb]

dola -

as I said before. there are some higher ups here who are bad and are doing some backdoor deals, if you know what I mean.,

Hey, the only backdooring is going to be done in the brig tonight! ;)

[pennywisesb]

Sorry, just thought we needed some comedy relief.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls - I don't have the ability to make the water order happen before the end of the day cycle. The water rationing is considered a day cycle action, but it appears that it is the first action of the day, which is why Barkeep requests that the list is e-mailed in the evening. So I'll e-mail my list to him whenever, but the list is not set in stone unless Captain KWhit orders it be so.

Also, remember that Barkeep said that the phasers can only be used for offense by the vigilante. The vigilante is a secret role that is unavailable for the spawn. So if the order for phasers does not go out today then you are hindering our defenses when our security personnel is already exhausted and (mostly) dehydrated.

[Blade6119]

Hey, the only backdooring is going to be done in the brig tonight! ;)

So your admitting you love the man juice?? Thats something a spawn would do!!! LYNCH HIM!!! :D

[SnDvls]

Also, remember that Barkeep said that the phasers can only be used for offense by the vigilante. The vigilante is a secret role that is unavailable for the spawn. So if the order for phasers does not go out today then you are hindering our defenses when our security personnel is already exhausted and (mostly) dehydrated.


and the only reason we are both exhausted & dehydrated is because of Real Deal!!! and his backdoor deal to change the water list.

I'm leaning towards sending in a phaser list right now, but it's up in the air due to what happened last night.

[Blade6119]

I trust Kwhit and believe he's clean, but for all of you worried about the spawn officer scenario and have short memories: I am a duplicant, this was confirmed by an action post from barkeep, spawn cannot be a duplicant. It's the same reason why I trust saldana, too. Duplicant can't be faked, as I believe barkeep himself stated earlier.

For all I know, Lathum may also be clear. I don't have any better idea than anyone else right now, but with Kwhit and me, the spawn captain is the least of my worries.

My suspect list is this(in order)
Vince/Mr. W...depends on whether or not w dies tomorrow

Lathum - hasnt used his role, and he has been around as evidenced by a vote for me

Realdeal(though his posts make some sense if hes good, he still orginally block voted with the other two on this list and vince keeps supporting him/refusing to scan him)

my trust list:

Kwhit, Penny, Bek - 100%...if their all bad, were already hosed

Hoops - i feel about him like i did kwhit and king early in game when i kept saying i trusted them...just does too many small things a bad guy wouldnt do...its not the big things, its the little things(king scanning hoops helps, and king was by far my #1 at the time)

Fouts(Whats going on here...were starting to think together, and he voted with me in the other thread...are we starting to gasp COOPERATE??? lol)

sundvls - hes making small steps up the trust ladder, but i dont want to trust everyone but my suspects and be blind to bluffs

people i dont know about -
Pass - his supposed secret role reveal was very sketchy....very....enough where he should be on my suspects list but im too lazy to copy and paste this up there

Schmidty - cleared by vince :rolleyes: ...dont know what he is at all...no idea

Jeff, bug, saldana - all engineers, and im lost on all..saldana is good if real is, but real is on my suspect list so who knows

[SnDvls]

dola - that's also assuming the vigilante is security. I can only assign phasers to security.

[hoopsguy]

RealDeal, you showed your Duplicant ability on Day 3 - you could have been a spawnling at that time and not known it. But I absolutely believe you were a survivor at that time.

We don't know what the Queen did on Night 2, if anything.

Bottom line - I cannot completely absolve you of being a spawn.

Again, I don't believe you are a spawn, but this scenario is the one that worries me most at this point in the game. Just as you know, if you are a survivor, that this is not a significant threat, I know that I'm not double-dealing as the galley master. But everyone else has to act on the incomplete information they possess.

Remember, over the last weekend I was just about the only one worrying about Vince as a spawn. My biggest concerns in this game have been spawn in roles that we cannot easily detect and/or defend against. Captain spawn certainly qualifies at this point.

[hoopsguy]

I've fought to stay alive this whole game to be stuck in the brig with Pennywise, his nurse gear, and penchant for backdoor action? Ugh.

[hoopsguy]

Sun, the security defends against spawn.

The vigilante is a survivor, just by nature of his secret role.

Jeff already revealed himself as a vigilante and I'm inclined to believe him, since he was a survivor (just couldn't survive the captain).

If you are playing on the survivor team, there is no downside to assigning phasers to everyone who can carry one. Heck, even me in the brig if we have enough of them.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana showed himself as a duplicant on Day 5, revealed that MrBug was good by conducting a long scan as doctor.

If anyone else has an alternate explanation for how this is described by Barkeep (other than duplicant) then I'm willing to listen. But duplicant = survivor. And Day 5 survivor means that he can not have been converted.

[Blade6119]

I'm ok with that plan. Basically, my gut feeling is that if you are spawn, we are fucked anyway, so might as well go forward like you are not spawn. I suggest your second scan go to Sndlvs, who I'm suspicous of.

I'm happy to vote out Blade. I've tried to keep my distance from him considering our history, but honestly I'm really tired of him and it would be a pleasure to lynch him tonight, spawn or survivor.

vote Blade

I'm still thinking about the water distribution.

Thats seems really sketch and then have him flip flop...he says he thinks vince is spawn, but will ignore it becuase we are already fucked...anyone else think this is odd, escpecially since he was soo quick to switch to lathum when the vote started to sway that way?

[hoopsguy]

All in all, I've been very happy with how little Blade/RealDeal crap there has been this game after the last time I played one with you. Been meaning to post something on that for a couple of days, hopefully without sounding patronizing when saying it. It has made for a more enjoyable game.

[Blade6119]

All in all, I've been very happy with how little Blade/RealDeal crap there has been this game after the last time I played one with you. Been meaning to post something on that for a couple of days, hopefully without sounding patronizing when saying it. It has made for a more enjoyable game.

I know, its nice...realdeal still let it in to that post which saddened me, but ive tried to let bygones be bygones...all in all it comes down to whos spawn, not who dislikes who

[RealDeal]

The reason blade is because I began to realize that Mr. W's plan lends itself to being credible because he is willing to die to prove himself correct.

You got to realize that it's hard for me to make this leap of faith because I personally scanned Vince earlier in the game and he came up clean. I have to believe that Vince was converted during the RA long scan and that's a tough one.

On the other hand, Mr. W seems credible on the basis that he is willing to die to be proven correct and isnt even asking that we kill Vince tonight. So yeah, I flip-flopped.

On the Lathum vote, as far as I'm concerned there are 4 or 5 people we could vote for and I'm completely indifferent as to who that is. I don't know anymore than anyone else. There are a handful of guys that I know are clear, but there's a bunch of guys that I just don't know about.

So I chose you initially because you were one of those 4 or 5 guys and you are incredibly annoying and shrill. If I had it my way, you would be killed first turn of every WW game you and I were on. But to not have a mess like we had a few games back when we fought for days, I tried to steer clear of you until a vote for you made sense within the game. I didn't want to let the way you annoy the fuck out of me get in the way of playing this game the right way.

But then Hoops, who isn't definitely cleared in my mind, but who is someone I trust to some degree, said he wanted you to live, so I unvoted you. Then the Lathum bandwagon started up, and Lathum is also one of the 4 or 5 guys within the group I'm suspicious of so I voted for him instead.

[Blade6119]

So I chose you initially because you were one of those 4 or 5 guys and you are incredibly annoying and shrill. If I had it my way, you would be killed first turn of every WW game you and I were on. But to not have a mess like we had a few games back when we fought for days, I tried to steer clear of you until a vote for you made sense within the game. I didn't want to let the way you annoy the fuck out of me get in the way of playing this game the right way.

And there goes the niceness...ive tried to get over how big of a prick you were, how amazing disrespectful you were and still are and play...apparently you havent..this will be my ONLY post on this matter, but wow...i thought you and i could be big about this...I apologize to hoops that he posted this right after you said what you did

[Mr. Wednesday]

Can it, guys.

[RealDeal]

I'm not going to say anything else about that. I said too much as it is.

[saldana]

another day, another 100 posts

vote lathum

and thanks hoops for backing up my "goodness". i wish there was something else i could do to help, but unless the engineers could be promoted to a different role (Barkeep ?) there isnt much except make sure we have enough votes to get a lynch

[Passacaglia]

Well, I'm out for a while....

Vote Lathum

[Mr. Wednesday]

You can fix things if the spawn decide to bust them.

[hoopsguy]

If it stops here than it is about 70 less posts than last time. Which, I guess, is improvement.

Working on a glass is half-full mentality here ...

[Blade6119]

Officers
If an officer dies, the officer below him moves up in rank, with rank 1 being the highest.


Captain (Rank 1) (3 AP per cycle)
The Captain is the leader of the ship and may not be executed (except by a Mutiny; see Executions Above).

Give Order: Day Only The captain may give a simple one step order to any crew member to perform a certain action that is with-in their ability to perform and they have the available action points (example: The Captain may order an engineer to repair the engine room during the next night cycle). The captain may also rescind, or modify, the orders of any other officer. The captain may not order anyone to vote in a particular way. 1 AP

Vote for Lift-Off Day Only May vote to lift-off (see Lift-off above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. 0 AP

Change Execution Day Only The Captain may change the person to be executed, regardless of the vote (and even if no one was scheduled to be executed). This triggers a night vote for Mutiny (see Executions – Mutiny above). This order must be sent to the GM at least 30 minutes before the voting deadline and may be conditional (example: If Pete, change execution to Bob, otherwise do not change). 1 point


First Officer (Rank 2) (2 AP per cycle)
The First Officer leads all Away Team missions and does not ever have to spend any AP to be part of the mission (beyond points spent planning the mission. See Plan Away Team Mission below)

Give Order: Day Only Same as Captain above EXCEPT that the First Officer may not rescind, or modify, orders of the Captain 1 AP

Plan Away Team Mission: Day or Night The First Officer must plan what the away team will do on their mission. This may be done in advance (may be planned in one cycle but not carried out until a future cycle). 1 AP for a short mission. 2 AP for a long mission

Lead Mutiny: Day Only The Second Officer may lead a mutiny against the Captain (see Executions – Mutiny above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. (NOTE: This action may be rescinded by the Second Officer any time prior to the end of voting, but he will not regain any AP spent) 0 AP the first time it is performed, 1 AP when performed at any time after that

Vote for Lift-Off Day Only May vote to lift-off (see Lift-off above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. 0 AP


Second Officer (Rank 3) (1 AP per cycle)
The Second Officer is in-charge of personnel.

Give Order: Day Only Same as Captain and First Officer above EXCEPT that he may not modify or change anyone other person’s order. 1 AP

Promote Private: Day Only He may promote a private to the position of: Galley Master, Security Crewmen, Sergeant at Arms, Medic or Warden. 1 AP

Vote for Lift-Off Day Only May vote to lift-off (see Lift-off above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. 0 AP


Security Chief (Rank 4) (2 AP per cycle)

Interrogate Suspected Spawn Day OnlyThis allows the Security Chief to privately communicate with any other crew member for the remainder of that particular day’s cycle. 1 AP

Give Order to Security Personnel: Day Only Same as Captain above EXCEPT that the Security Chief may issue orders only to Galley Master, Security Crewmen, Sergeant at Arms, or Warden. 1 AP

Protect Night Only May choose to protect a person or location against attack. If there is an attack on that person/place the attack will occur between the Security Chief and the attacker(s). The Security Chief is armed with a three shot phaser, whether or not the Security Headquarters is damaged, providing an additional bonus if the phaser has any shots left. Protect has a smaller positive effect against a Spawn Attack. What/who was protected will not be revealed until the next day cycle. 2 AP

Spy Night Only May designate a person to follow around at night and receive a report of that person’s actions. If the person launches an attack (but not a spawn attack) there is a chance that the Security Chief may perform the Protect action (with no AP cost). It will not be posted who the Security Chief spied upon, only that he spied upon someone 2 AP

Vote for Lift-Off Day Only May vote to lift-off (see Lift-off above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. 0 AP


Ensign (Rank 5) (1 AP per cycle)
The ensign is there to learn from the other officers and to step into the line of duty should any officers be killed.

Vote for Lift-Off Day Only May vote to lift-off (see Lift-off above). This does not need to be sent to the GM and may just be posted in the thread. 0 AP

Due to promotions, is it possible lathum actually does not hold the security chief role anymore?? He could be Second office(rank 3) and not really be able to do anything anyways...just reread that, key being bolded part

[Blade6119]

Captain : Kwhit
First officer : real deal
Second officer: lathum

????? Its a possible out, but still needed t be said

[Mr. Wednesday]

Note that Lathum never could "scan" anybody, as you asserted... all he could do was get PM rights for a limited time. That doesn't really get you a whole lot, though... the thing the "bad guy" side always has going for them is that they know exactly who their opponents are, so being able to chat has real value for planning. On the "good guy" side, the certainty is never there, and it doesn't matter so much to have your planning conducted out in the open anyway.

[Blade6119]

Note that Lathum never could "scan" anybody, as you asserted... all he could do was get PM rights for a limited time. That doesn't really get you a whole lot, though... the thing the "bad guy" side always has going for them is that they know exactly who their opponents are, so being able to chat has real value for planning. On the "good guy" side, the certainty is never there, and it doesn't matter so much to have your planning conducted out in the open anyway.

I did not know that...i thought king's interrogations were scans...thank you for clarifying

[Raiders Army]

Go spawn!

[Poli]

Go spawn!

[Barkeep49]

Ok I apologize for my absence today. I got called into work 10 minutes after they wanted me to be there so I rushed out the door. I will not be around at lynch time tonight, most likely, although I should be home with an hour or so of the time. While all of you talk about the brig I have to deal with some real (albeit harmless) criminals.

As for the water list an officer may send into me an order about who does or does not go on the water list but it's technically a day action. For game expediency (as the giving out of water happens second in the morning after the replication of water) I have hoops send it in at night. So any list hoops posts or sends to me now is not valid as he has already used his day AP today for TODAYS water list.

[Schmidty]

Been swamped by real life for the past few days and am trying to catch up. Sorry for the recent inactivity. Looks like things are getting tight here, so hopefully I'll have some observations after reading through everything.

[Barkeep49]

After conferring with the crew Blade settles on a list for who will be spending the night in the brig. Taking no one by surprise after the discussion it turns out to be Hoopsguy, Kwhit, Bek, pennywise.

Meanwhile SnDvls posts a list of who can get phasers, except that it is rather blurry and no one can quite make out who is on the list. Similarly Real Deal issues Hoopsguy some orders about the water list which aren't quite understandable and need to be clarified.

SnDvls and Real both sent in orders for which I need clarification. Both orders will be processed once I recieve a response.

[Blade6119]

After conferring with the crew Blade settles on a list for who will be spending the night in the brig. Taking no one by surprise after the discussion it turns out to be Hoopsguy, Kwhit, Bek, pennywise.

Meanwhile SnDvls posts a list of who can get phasers, except that it is rather blurry and no one can quite make out who is on the list. Similarly Real Deal issues Hoopsguy some orders about the water list which aren't quite understandable and need to be clarified.

SnDvls and Real both sent in orders for which I need clarification. Both orders will be processed once I recieve a response.

Why is realdeal ordering on the water...we need kwhit here to override this now

[hoopsguy]

Not sure on the water overrides - I obviously would have liked some commentary in the thread if there were issues with the selections.

I also thought the selections I posted were no-brainers if the goal was to keep as many people alive as possible.

[Schmidty]

After skimming things over:

Vote Lathum

[SnDvls]

After conferring with the crew Blade settles on a list for who will be spending the night in the brig. Taking no one by surprise after the discussion it turns out to be Hoopsguy, Kwhit, Bek, pennywise.

Meanwhile SnDvls posts a list of who can get phasers, except that it is rather blurry and no one can quite make out who is on the list. Similarly Real Deal issues Hoopsguy some orders about the water list which aren't quite understandable and need to be clarified.

SnDvls and Real both sent in orders for which I need clarification. Both orders will be processed once I recieve a response.


sent clarification

[Barkeep49]

Early in the day sentiment clearly seemed to be running against Blade but in the end people seemed to come around to voting elsewhere, if only because he could still preform duties useful to the crew. And so it was the Second Officer Lathum who the crowd turned to in anger. Giving little more than a shrug, Lathum allowed himself to be taken down. Alas, the gore was for naught as Lathum was but an innocent SURVIVOR!

As people go to bed the crew learns that SnDvls, hoops, pass, blade, fouts, & Schmidty will be getting phasers while based on orders from your First Officer, RealDeal, two people, schmidty and sndvls will not be getting water tomorrow.

Tally
Lathum (9) - Blade6119, Fouts, hoopsguy, Mr.Wednesday, Passacaglia, RealDeal, Saldana, Schmidty, sndlvs
Blade (2) - Lathum, Vince
Vince (1) - MrBug

Night actions due by 9 AM tomorrow

[Blade6119]

Early in the day sentiment clearly seemed to be running against Blade but in the end people seemed to come around to voting elsewhere, if only because he could still preform duties useful to the crew. And so it was the Second Officer Lathum who the crowd turned to in anger. Giving little more than a shrug, Lathum allowed himself to be taken down. Alas, the gore was for naught as Lathum was but an innocent SURVIVOR!

As people go to bed the crew learns that [/color]SnDvls, hoops, pass, blade, fouts, & Schmidty will be getting phasers while based on orders from your First Officer, RealDeal, two people, schmidty and sndvls will not be getting water tomorrow.

Night actions due by 9 AM tomorrow
Sucks that lathum wasnt bad, but the big things is hes killing two security crewman and saving mr. w???? Thats major, and makes me think hes spawn

[SnDvls]

Well based on ReadDeal's actions again you all better look at him real hard. I'm going to die due to his sending in extra orders.

WAKE UP!!! Don't you all see what he's doing?

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, if you happen to take a look at this thread I'm concerned with the orders given by the 1st Officer.

You are in the brig with me tonight with the others in your Absolute trust, so you are safe for now. But RealDeal has now denied water to SnDvls for two straight days, which will lead to the death of a security person.

I originally had slated Fouts to not receive water last night, but had planned to provide water for tonight so he would not die of dehydration.

The concern is that both of these people are on our security force - our ability to defend resources and people will be crippled by these unilateral decisions. If RealDeal is doing this as a survivor, I think it is misguided without strong evidence (that has not been presented). If he is doing this as spawn, then that obviously is not advantageous for the crew.

Also, to the best of my knowledge you have not order Pass to guard the water supply. I'm hoping that Fouts and SnDvls will spend their last night defending a post, but wouldn't blame them for feeling betrayed right now if action is not taken to save them.

[Blade6119]

KWhit, if you happen to take a look at this thread I'm concerned with the orders given by the 1st Officer.

You are in the brig with me tonight with the others in your Absolute trust, so you are safe for now. But RealDeal has now denied water to SnDvls for two straight days, which will lead to the death of a security person.

I originally had slated Fouts to not receive water last night, but had planned to provide water for tonight so he would not die of dehydration.

The concern is that both of these people are on our security force - our ability to defend resources and people will be crippled by these unilateral decisions. If RealDeal is doing this as a survivor, I think it is misguided without strong evidence (that has not been presented). If he is doing this as spawn, then that obviously is not advantageous for the crew.

Also, to the best of my knowledge you have not order Pass to guard the water supply. I'm hoping that Fouts and SnDvls will spend their last night defending a post, but wouldn't blame them for feeling betrayed right now if action is not taken to save them.

Sundvls already accidently sent me a PM telling barkeep he wanted to sleep tonight...we need security to defend

[hoopsguy]

The problem is if they roll over and die they make it easier for the spawn to cripple the rest of us. I find it frustrating that AE posts he is rooting for the spawn when I tried to save him; he made his bed. I understand his sentiment, but I don't have to like it.

If MrW is playing it straight with the Vince reveal then I really respect the way he played this game. If not, then I still respect it but for different reasons.

[Poli]

Go Hoopsguy, Go Spawn! In that order.

[SnDvls]

Sundvls already accidently sent me a PM telling barkeep he wanted to sleep tonight...we need security to defend


I'll confirm this.

I'm just so frustated beyond belief that nobody cares, or those that can choose not to because they aren't online to do it, whatever. I'm going to die tomorrow because I have no water so I'm going to die in my sleep.

To those that have a phaser today you get to keep it so use it wisely, but watch out for Real Deal as he'll kill you by thirst if not by being a spawn

[Blade6119]

I'll confirm this.

I'm just so frustated beyond belief that nobody cares, or those that can choose not to because they aren't online to do it, whatever. I'm going to die tomorrow because I have no water so I'm going to die in my sleep.

To those that have a phaser today you get to keep it so use it wisely, but watch out for Real Deal as he'll kill you by thirst if not by being a spawn

I believe you, most do...realdeal is the one screwing it up and only kwhit is able to override it though...i would if i could...but act under the assumption kwhit will override it tonight(as he can until the deadline) and protect the water supply...it would hose all of us to save you only to have you sleep

[hoopsguy]

Dammit, SnDvls - I do care. I just don't have the power to change this.

What is really going to piss you off, I predict, is if RealDeal ISN'T spawn but is just overplaying a hunch the same way that Ardent did when he killed Jeff. I'm not sure which one it is right now but I have to believe that RealDeal is our highest priority for scan tomorrow.

If he is spawn, then he is overplaying his hand unless they have at least three spawn or else our security team gives them access to the water earlier than they should get it by deciding to sleep instead of defending their post on their last night.

[SnDvls]

I'll be a team player tonight, but I'm sure Kwhit didn't make a change so it's been nice playing with you all. I guess I'm off to catch some outlaws

[hoopsguy]

Hope to have you with us again tomorrow so we can settle this game properly. We've already had enough fairly casual deaths lately with Jeff and Ardent. That is a big part of why we are in this position now :(

[hoopsguy]

With the new information on Lathum, Vince is starting to look a little more innocent:

Let's look at his actions since that day:
Day 4: Clear Schmidty. Analysis: Don't know
Day 5: Fail to revive Raiders. Analysis: Don't know what chance of success was here
Day 6: Clear Penny/Lathum. Analysis: Lathum is now confirmed survivor. Pennywise is widely regarded as clean via Absolute Trust.
Day 7: Clear Me/KWhit Analysis: I know that I'm a survivor. KWhit largely believed to be survivor based on Absolute Trust (although some are disappointed by his absence since assuming command).

We'll know the answer tomorrow morning, depending on if MrW is alive and kicking without the benefit of H2O.

[Blade6119]

With the new information on Lathum, Vince is starting to look a little more innocent:

Let's look at his actions since that day:
Day 4: Clear Schmidty. Analysis: Don't know
Day 5: Fail to revive Raiders. Analysis: Don't know what chance of success was here
Day 6: Clear Penny/Lathum. Analysis: Lathum is now confirmed survivor. Pennywise is widely regarded as clean via Absolute Trust.
Day 7: Clear Me/KWhit Analysis: I know that I'm a survivor. KWhit largely believed to be survivor based on Absolute Trust (although some are disappointed by his absence since assuming command).

We'll know the answer tomorrow morning, depending on if MrW is alive and kicking without the benefit of H2O.

No we wont, mr. w is getting water under real deals orders

[hoopsguy]

Show me the post - I clearly must have missed that.

[hoopsguy]

Post #2426 does not say anything about MrW getting water, only that SnDvls and Schmidty will not.

[Lathum]

man did you guys screw up

[hoopsguy]

I eagerly await your insights about how we should have played in the post-game wrap-up.

[Fouts]

I'm back. I already posted my thoughts about Realdeal's over riding the list before I left. I could see where he could be playing a hunch, but he hasn't posted so I can only assume I was right. With so many roles out there, it is easy for spawn to act like they are one or the other. Lathum was the perfect choice for lynching due to his inactiveness in public, but we were wrong.

So who does that leave? Depends on who you believe. Mr. W or Vince? Hell I dunno.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If possible, you really need to not give me water, otherwise we're going to waste a day on a showdown between me and Vince that will tell you very little.

Since the water rationing technically does not take place until tomorrow morning, can KWhit override RealDeal's order?

[RealDeal]

I've obviously made a big play, and I'm going to be a big hero or a big goat as a result of it. Basically, I don't feel like we have enough time to patient scan away because we're pretty much out of water. Essentially depriving uncleared people of water works like a scan. We lose some good guys this way too, but if you are a survivor you shouldn't mind dying at this point of the game if the team wins.

I looked at the list of people deprived of water, and decided to take water from Schmidty and Sndvls. Initially my intention was to kill Sndlvs and Fouts, but I switched to Shcmidty at the last second. Actually I switched my water orders four times over the course of the day until I figured out what I wanted to do.

There were six killable guys due to water: vince, Mr. W, hoopsguy, fouts, sndlvs, and schmidty.

Basically, the assumption I went on is that either Vince or Mr. W are spawn, since Mr. W is telling us he has info implicating Vince. Also, I went on the assumption that hoops would withhold water from Mr. W and he will die anyway.

So I didn't list Mr. W because I assume he is dead. I didn't list hoops because he is the water guy. I originally listed Vince, knowing that we would get one spawn either way. But then I realized that was a bad move because Vince would only die from dehydration if he was a survivor.

So I hedged, Schmidty has always been suspicious to me, and Vince cleared him after the infamous RA long scan. So I figured if Mr. W is right and Vince is spawn, Schmidty had a good chance of being spawn, so I withheld him water.

Then it was a choice between Fouts and Sndlvs. Originally, if you remember I had withheld water from Sundvls last turn and would have withheld from Fouts if Hoops hadn't already done it. This just came down to a gut decision, and I guessed Sundlvs was the spawn. He has always been high on my list. I know he will say he has faithfully conducted his phaser duties, and he has, but the fact is, EVERYONE has at least appeared to faithfully conduct their duties, but some of these people have to be spawn.

I'm hoping I go at least one for two on these guys. if I do, and either Mr. W or Vince turns out as spawn, then I did the survivors a very good service and probably won us the game. If I didn't, well I get the AE Memorial Rambo Award and will accept whatever treatment you guys see fit including lynching, scanning, etc.

And to Sndlvs and Schmidty, if you turn out to be survivor, I know you will be quite upset. I would be too if in your shoes. Please be assured that this was not personal. If it had been personal, of course, I would have not given water to Blade :)

That's the explanation. Tomorrow morning should be fun.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, where is the post that says that MrW is getting water from RealDeal's order?

Post #2426
Early in the day sentiment clearly seemed to be running against Blade but in the end people seemed to come around to voting elsewhere, if only because he could still preform duties useful to the crew. And so it was the Second Officer Lathum who the crowd turned to in anger. Giving little more than a shrug, Lathum allowed himself to be taken down. Alas, the gore was for naught as Lathum was but an innocent SURVIVOR!

As people go to bed the crew learns that SnDvls, hoops, pass, blade, fouts, & Schmidty will be getting phasers while based on orders from your First Officer, RealDeal, two people, schmidty and sndvls will not be getting water tomorrow.

Based on orders from the 1st officer two people - Schmidty and SunDvls - are not getting water. I don't see anything about MrW in here.

Then Blade says in Post #2427 that RealDeal is giving MrW water and killing two security officers.

I don't agree with the water choices, as I would keep everyone alive if it was my call. But let's not confuse the issue here.

If there was an order to give water to MrW then I haven't seen it.

[RealDeal]

Reading the posts above, Mr. W should NOT be getting water. My only order was that Sndlvs and Schmidty NOT get water. I made no order respecting Mr. W, assuming all along that he would not be getting water. I can only make two orders with my 2 AP points.

[hoopsguy]

And that is consistent with the conditions I was given.

RealDeal, remember how mad you were when Ardent upset the plan a couple of days ago by freelancing? Hope you have better luck with your attempt than he did. We'll see tomorrow morning. Because if you are wrong then your prediction that we could not play this out patiently scanning will likely be a self-fulfilling prophecy when we lose 1/2 of our security staff.

[Fouts]

The dart strikes again.

[RealDeal]

At the time AE upset the plan, the scan/lynch seemed to have mathematical certainty of success (not correct as it turns out, if Vince is spawn). The plan we have now- to keep everyone alive and get one scan from our nurse per day (if Vince is spawn) has no chance of working. We have no water. We can't keep dragging this out for the next week.

As far as I could tell, right now we didnt really have any plan. Everyone is just guessing and pulling different directions, and much of the info we have may be flawed if Vince is spawn.

We're going to have to kill "useful" people. Most of the engineers are cleared due to use of the duplicant power or the circle of trust (although I'm a bit dubious of that too). The group where there is the most uncleared people is the security folks.

There are a handful of people I know definitely are not spawn from clear use of private powers. That gives me an advantage in choosing who to killscan sinc ei can do my killscan amongst uncleared people.

If I'm zero for two today, then it's a bad play and it hurt us. If I'm one for two, it's a great play because one of those useful guys wasn't so useful after all and at this stage of the game, I am happy to make straight one for one trades with the spawn.

[Vince]

Ok, I've been catching up, but I'm exhausted after a long day and a lot of beer and food this evening. So this is going to be rather haphazard and possibly uncoordinated.

Vince's Random Thoughts About Today



Mr. Wednesday did not in fact scan anything that I said, he made the statement "Vince is not spawn," and asked Barkeep if it was a true statement.
RealDeal, I was tremendously worried you had botched it tonight and given Mr. Wednesday some water. Bravo on a bold move -- though killing off two security guards seems to be rather...shady, I guess? How many protectors do we have left after today? Hoops on water, and Pass to roam? You're still firmly entrenched in my circle of trust, but this is...well, odd.
I love how Pennywisesb goes from grilling Mr. Wednesday and defending me vehemently to condeming me as spawn for sure in the space of about two hoopsguy posts. Thanks for having my back, buddy.
I also note that everyone seems to think that Mr. Wednesday is a great guy for condemning himself to death, when he has no future importance at all to the crew. I think this is a chivalrous move, but one that everyone else would have suggested anyways, so I think he may have been beating you all to the punch to secure some good will. As a doctor, I have some responsibility to remain alive, hence my defense.
Blade is still alive. I don't know, that's just sort of annoying :) The reasoning is solid (protecting people via the brig DOES seem important, but again, if I were spawn I would just be attacking the water or the brig), I just don't like anyone that pushes to get me killed as much as he did earlier. Which means that I'm right at the top of his shit list right now too, I guess. I'm ok with that (no hard feelings outside of the game, of course).
That's about it for now. I'm going to go to bed.

[Barkeep49]

Last night could hardly be called peaceful. The crew wakes up in the moring to find that Sndvls, Passacagalia, and Fouts all guarded the water plant last night and that two of them, Pass and Fouts, were forced to fire their phasers to fend off an attack.

Meanwhile several people were dying of dehydration and finally this morning, when they did not get water SnDvls and Mr. Wednesday succumb to their thirst day die. The lucky six who did recieve water today were Fouts, Hoopsguy, Vince, Penny, KWhit, and Blade making the rest of the crew rather thirsty.

While there has been great bickering amongst the Survivors it appears as though victory could be near.

Ship’s Status

Room Reports
Engineering – Fully Operational
Water Plant – Fully Operational
Water Supply – NO RESERVE
Security Headquarters Fully Operational
Brig – Empty
Weapons Locker – Phasers are with Hoopsguy, Blade, & Schmidity

Crew Status

Command Staff
Captain - KWhit DEHYRDRATED
First Officer - RealDeal DEHYRDRATED

Engineers
Saldana DEHYRDRATED
MrBug708 DEHYRDRATED
Bek DEHYRDRATED

Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince
Medic - pennywisesb

Security Staff
Warden - Blade6119
Galley Master - hoopsguy
Security Crewman - Fouts EXHAUSTED Security Crewman - Schmidty DEHYRDRATED
Security Crewman - Passacaglia EXHAUSTED & DEHYRDRATED

Deceased
Marc Vaughan Executed Day 2 (Spawn)
Dubb93 Executed Day 3 (Hive Mind)
Kingfc22 Killed Night 3 (Survivor)
Jeff062 Killed by Captain Ardent's Orders Day 5 (Survivor)
Ardent Enthusiast Killed by mutiny Night 5 (Survivor)
Raiders Army Executed Day 6 (Survivor)
Lathum Executed Day 7 (Survivor)
Mr. Wednesday Died of Dehydration Day 8 (Survivor)
SnDvls Died of Dehydration Day 8 (Survivor)

[RealDeal]

WOOHOO! Schmidty and Vince are spawn!

[RealDeal]

We kill one and stick the other in the brig.

[RealDeal]

Man, my original sleuthing a long time ago was correct. I knew Scmidty wasn't right. I say we string him up and slice him down the middle like a little piggie.

[Raiders Army]

...

[RealDeal]

Heh Sorry RA, but we made the right move to kill you. Since Vince is spawn, you were never going to get out of the coma.

[Raiders Army]

Heh Sorry RA, but we made the right move to kill you. Since Vince is spawn, you were never going to get out of the coma.
...

[Passacaglia]

Highfive to Fouts and SnDvls (RIP) helping to protect the water plant! So I'm lost -- how do we know Schimdty is spawn?

VOTE VINCE

[RealDeal]

I deprived Schmidty of water last night, and it was his second straight day, but he is not dead.

[Passacaglia]

Hmm...so since Schmidty is complete certainty, maybe we should vote for him? Vince is only 99.9%, in my mind. I just voted for him because I was annoyed at having trusted him for so long!

[RealDeal]

Here is my plan for what we should do.

1. I am certain Vince is spawn. First, because Mr. W said so and is clearly survivior. Second, because Schmidty is spawn, and Vince did a scan and said he was clear.

2. Vince should die first, because then Penny has a chance to become a doctor.

3. Tonight we throw Schmidty into the brig by himself. Hopefully, he is the last spawn, but if not we will find out.

4. Penny should have a scan today, and it needs to be used on Hoops to make sure the water guy is ok.

5. Assuming Hoops is clear, which I believe he is, I will not issue any water orders to kill anyone tonight. We will give all dehydrated people except Schmidty water.

6. The remaining security forces should guard the water again tonight.

[SnDvls]

although you plan looks like it might work (assuming there are only 2 spawn) you lost 3 phasers in the process. oh well.

[SnDvls]

dola - actually 4 as schmidty has one

[Passacaglia]

I deprived Schmidty of water last night, and it was his second straight day, but he is not dead.

Wait...YOU deprived him? I thought hoops rationed it out.

[RealDeal]

You know what the say about making an omelette...

But yes, I regret you had to die, sndlvs, and I definitely appreciate how you defended the water plant, even though you were deprived of the very water you were protecting. Definitely a big time team play, and I will always remember that you did that despite the fact that we left you literally high and dry.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, the worst part was how Fouts and I, who weren't thirsty, were outside the plant, and SnDvls had to actually sit IN it. Nice touch, Barkeep.

[RealDeal]

There's something almost Shakespearian about it: a survivor, doubted by his teammates who deprive him of water, sitting by the water, dying of thirst, yet doing his duty, protecting it from Spawn, and not drinking.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, the worst part was how Fouts and I, who weren't thirsty, were outside the plant, and SnDvls had to actually sit IN it. Nice touch, Barkeep.
Well in fairness Fouts was deyhdrated yesterday as well, but I hoped someone would pick-up on that :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

<disembodied voice>
Go team!
</disembodied voice>

[RealDeal]

Didn't Fouts receive water last night?

[SnDvls]

Yeah, the worst part was how Fouts and I, who weren't thirsty, were outside the plant, and SnDvls had to actually sit IN it. Nice touch, Barkeep.


does that mean my rotting body has now made the water bad. :D

[SnDvls]

boy I really could have changed this game last night. I sent in my original phaser list with a condition. If I wasn't on the water list I wasn't going to hand out phasers, but Barkeep said the water list is technically a night action, but has to be given to him during the day so there is no way I'd know if I was on it or not until after the phaser hand out. I decided to hand them out any way and trust I'd be on the list.

Oh well off to rustle me up some outlaws or the villagers are gonna lose that one.

[RealDeal]

Sundvls, I'm trying to make you a noble figure who sacrifised himself for the team cause. You're not helping. :)

[SnDvls]

I appriciate the effort, but it's not necessary. I'm not trying to hide anything or reveal anything big, look at my posts and you can see I was having second thoughts throughout the day. Just had a realization is all and thought, WOW! what if I had been selfish and decided not to help the survivors out and just pout about it (as I've seen in other wearwolf games). I did sacrafice myself, I hope the survivors win and hopefully I was a part of that by doing my duties as only a true survivor would.

[SnDvls]

dola -

all I was saying is what if I had done this and not that. Anyhow that's all, I'm dead you know.

[RealDeal]

Barkeep: two issues with your most recent roster list

1. jeff is still listed under engineers, but he is dead.
2. Fouts is listed as dehydrated, but he received water last night.

[KWhit]

Well done!

Vince, you sorry sack of shit...

:)

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep: two issues with your most recent roster list

1. jeff is still listed under engineers, but he is dead.
2. Fouts is listed as dehydrated, but he received water last night.
Thanks.

[RealDeal]

Cool. There are 7 dehydrated crew members, but one of them is Schmidty, a spawn. Everyone should be able to live another day. Penny definitely needs to scan hoops just to confirm his survivor status.

[Vince]

Well done!

Vince, you sorry sack of shit...

:)
:)

Guys, are you really certain I am spawn? I mean honestly...what have I done to hinder the team in any way? The spawn have actually accomplished nothing the entire game...can't we all just get along?

[Vince]

I see you are all afraid of my rhetorical prowess, and that I would obviously convince you otherwise if you were to enter into verbal repartee with me.

Don't mind me, I have to entertain myself until this evening.

[RealDeal]

We're not arguing with you because we're debating whether to slice you up from top to bottom or bottom to top.

[Raiders Army]

...

[Vince]

We're not arguing with you because we're debating whether to slice you up from top to bottom or bottom to top.
I'd prefer side to side, actually.

[Vince]

Well, I'm out most of the day again as I work during the day, and lucked into some Santana tickets for the evening at the Shark Tank. Good luck finding those spawn guys! I know you can do it, and with my help, it can happen! I've sent in my day orders, and I'm going to vote for hoopsguy, just because I want him to die. Punk has been trying to get me killed for five or six days now, and it's a good thing he hasn't succeeded yet! Without the Doctor, we'd be in some serious trouble!

:)

[hoopsguy]

Vince, just sorry you got converted so you weren't able to enjoy the loot we mined on that hellhole of a planet.

RealDeal, congratulations on bagging a spawn.

SnDvls and MrW, thanks for the huge roles each of you played in helping over the last two days. You will both be missed.

Vote Vince

[hoopsguy]

Dola - scan me whenever you feel like it. Today works for me.

Barkeep, another rules question - could a spawn, armed with a phaser, fire it as part of faking duties?

Ardent, congratulations on saving the queen with your vote to lynch MarcV :)

[RealDeal]

yeah don't want to forget to:

vote Vince

[Vince]

This will officially be the first time I am ever lynched in a Werewolf game.

[jeff061]

I've yet to start as an evil role in a werewolf game. Only converted once. Only think I've been duked as an innocent.

[hoopsguy]

How many games is it for you now, Jeff?

- I came in as the alternate in the one where you were converted - lost as villager.
- I was a grunt in X-Com but was converted and then duked.
- Villager in the Village of the Damned, eventually killed by werewolves - still dismayed that the wolves won that game :(
- This one still to be determined

[Raiders Army]

I've been more evil than good. It's a lot more fun on the evil side.

[jeff061]

- WW II
- The River
- The one I was converted
- Vampire one
- Mafia
- Item Swapping one
- This one
- and the ongoing Outlaw one

Can't remember any more. Pretty much all of them I was just a vanilla vilager.

[Vince]

I've been more evil than good. It's a lot more fun on the evil side.
Eh, I've been my share of evil and good roles, and I like the game from either angle. You have much more control of the game as a bad guy, so that's probably a little more 'fun,' but I like both sides equally.

[Barkeep49]

The doctor, to everyone's surprise takes Real Deal into be examined. Real is clearly reluctant about going, but goes anyway. About 20 minutes later there is aloud scream and Real comes out of the office, followed by Vince who is now Wounded!

[Vince]

The plot, she thickens.

[RealDeal]

Nice try, Vince.

[Vince]

RealDeal, with his interesting water choices, has managed to kill at least one security guard due to lack of water. He is also insinuating that I am not to be believed. To top it all off, I just failed to scan him, and he attacked me and wounded me in the process.

Unvote hoopsguy.
Vote RealDeal.

[Vince]

Nice try, Vince.
I play the hand I'm dealt. :)

[RealDeal]

A better play would have been perhaps to re-examine Schmidty and wound yourself. Since Schmidty is a lost cause anyway, making it look like he wanted you dead might have got people questioning a little.

No one is ever completely clear in this game until the end, but to try to frame the guy who just bagged a spawn that you cleared a few turns back- well, I'll take my chances that the folks will believe me and not you this turn.

[Passacaglia]

So...can someone order Blade to put Schmidty alone in the brig?

[RealDeal]

I will, as long as penny's scan of hoops is clean, so I don't have to make any water orders.

[hoopsguy]

Can I vote for Vince twice?

Does anyone think that there could be remaining spawn besides Vince and Schmidty? If so, then I would suggest that we scan Blade sometime soon. I believe he and I are the only two out there that have not been somehow cleared by now. Plus RealDeal (and Passacaglia, by extension), but his stock is up at the moment so I would think that Blade or I make sense to look at next.

I think we have this one, but I want to continue to do the right things just in case we don't know what we think we know. Or something like that ...

[RealDeal]

My plan posted a bit back assumes for the moment that there may be more spawn, which is why there is a small advantage to killing Vince first since there is a small chance of Penny getting the promotion to doctor.

And yes, we should keep scanning. Hoops get scanned first because he holds so many lives in his hands (at most Kwhit and I can only make 4 water orders).

[Fouts]

Well done Realdeal, although I'm not sure I agree with sacrificing good people.

Vote Vince

[Barkeep49]

After conferrign with Vince and Schmidty they agree that there isn't a way they can pull out a victory and so we're going to end the game.

After days of living in fear, the survivors have finally realized the upperhand they've had nearly from the start. No longer willing to listen to the lies of the Spawn, they form into a vicious mob with about half attacking Vince and half attacking Schmidty. While the carnage might have been bad on the previous days it is nothing like today. All of the built up fear and anger is unelashed in a gruesome tidal wave of blood and gore. Before long the two Spawn are dead. Schmidity is revealed to have been the SPAWN QUEEN.

The remianing survivors relax a little as with the death of the last spawn the engineers report the water replication system is back to full strength. The ones who are left are going to return home safe and sound, and rich beyond their most wild expectations. For some the money is worth it, but for some they would trade any amount of money to have never embarked on the journey at all.

THE SURVIVORS WIN!

I'm going to type up a wrap-up post, including a day by day account and what everyone's secret role was. I would love to get feedback from the players on the game as well. Congrats to the Survivors on their victory.

[Passacaglia]

Whoooooo!!!

[jeff061]

Way to pull it out guys. I think the spawn should of taken more shots at the water pump.

[jeff061]

And now I know Schmidty is annoyingly defensive either way :).

[Passacaglia]

I can't wait to find out what the heck was going on!

[Mr. Wednesday]

I hope you guys remember my heirs out of respect for the role I played in saving you. :)


Game feedback: I think the empath role should be a little more restricted. I thought it was interesting when I had to look for non-ambiguous statements of personal knowledge from players, but it seemed much too powerful when I could make a statement whose truth I didn't know and use it. Suggested scope: The empath can verify whether another player believes a statement they made to be true. Thus, something that they can't (or shouldn't) know cannot be verified, but it's still possible to determine whether they are telling the truth about being good/carrying out an action/etc.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've yet to start as an evil role in a werewolf game. Only converted once. Only think I've been duked as an innocent.Not true - you started out as a sorceror in Peregrine's last game. :p

[jeff061]

Hehe, that doesn't count :D. That was the crappiest game I was every a part of. I loved the rules and started with a really cool role(king/sorcerer), but then was killed night one by my teammates :(.

[hoopsguy]

I enjoyed this game a great deal. Barkeep, you put in a lot of time being available to process the day actions, which was a fun twist. There was a lot of initial complexity to the rules, but after the first day or two it felt pretty comfortable. Again, you were very good about answering questions.

So did the spawn start with a council of Raiders, Schmidty, and Dubb? Did Marc get converted on away team or was he a 4th spawn (or on council instead of Raiders)?

Just how badly did the spawn roll early in the game? Was Vince able to fend the spawn off initially based on blind luck or did he have Slayer for his secret role?

I'm happy I was able to be on the same team as Fouts without killing him. That is an improvement over my last WW game.

[jeff061]

Yeah, what the hell did the spawn do all game? The perceived total lack of action confused me.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, this game was fun. Probably wayyy too complicated for me as my first werewolf game, but still, very fun (when I could keep up)!

[Fouts]

I'm happy I was able to be on the same team as Fouts without killing him. That is an improvement over my last WW game.

Shocking, I was sure you would do me in. Goes to show you that you do your job 24/7 and still are a suspect.

I'm going to disregard Schmidty's shrieking when he's on the block from now on. Although I think I left my vote on him during the Marc/Schmidty vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think we had a cloverleaf in our corner the whole game... getting a run-off between two spawn in the first vote? (OK, we picked the wrong one, but still...) Vince surviving his first infection? (OK, it didn't do a whole lot, considering he turned right around and got infected curing RA, whom we bumped off...) Almost nothing at all in the way of conversions... nailing another spawn in dubb on the run-off with Vince... very little that didn't go our way.

[SnDvls]

Okay what was my secret role?

[jeff061]

And I can be happy with my intuition that the vote on Marc WAS to easy and I didn't end up voting for the wrong person.

[RealDeal]

I realized at the end that there was no way we could lose if I just kept killing uncleared people. My major fear was that my first round of killings I would get two survivors and then my fellow survivors would lose all faith in me and have me killed.
So I had to get at least one of my hits right last night.

The more I thought about Mr. W and Vince, the more comfortable I was that Mr. W was telling the truth, because he had absolutely nothing to gain from making that play if he was a spawn. So initially, I was going to withhold water from Vince, but I decided I could get the same result from withholding water from Schmidty and not take the risk that I was somehow wrong and kill the doctor. Once I decided Vince was probably spawn, I went back and looked at all his post RA scans and saw Schmidty was one, and I was so sure Schmidty was a spawn when I bagged him the first time.

I stand by my decision to sacrifise survivors for the common good. We were in a very tough spot yesterday. We basically had no water, and a successful attack on the water would have ended the game. I felt like the team needed someone to take charge and make the tough choices to win. It seemed like some folks were too squeamish about accidentally killing survivors, but going down the path we were on was actually going to result in far more survivor deaths.

The main thing I want to know is when and how exactly Vince was converted.

[hoopsguy]

Ardent had a pretty tremendous game:
- let the spawn queen off the hook, changing his vote to normal spawn
- voted against killing former spawn Raiders to kill survivor Jeff
- getting killed by his own crew

Of course I'm focusing on the negative here, but it is funnier that way :)

I think Vince played a pretty good game on both sides.

[Fouts]

The more I thought about Mr. W and Vince, the more comfortable I was that Mr. W was telling the truth, because he had absolutely nothing to gain from making that play if he was a spawn. So initially, I was going to withhold water from Vince, but I decided I could get the same result from withholding water from Schmidty and not take the risk that I was somehow wrong and kill the doctor. Once I decided Vince was probably spawn, I went back and looked at all his post RA scans and saw Schmidty was one, and I was so sure Schmidty was a spawn when I bagged him the first time.


That is important info you could have filled us in on. RA and Vince scanning Schmidty makes no sense, when you have me and blade without scans.

[Barkeep49]

Secret Roles:
Bek AT
KWhit AT
pennywisesb AT
RealDeal Duplicant
Saldana Duplicant
Mr.Wednesday Empath
Passacaglia Empath
Blade6119 Gut Feeling
hoopsguy Gut Feeling
sndlvs Gut Feeling
dubb93 Hive Mind
Kingfc22 Incorruptable
MrBug708 Incorruptable
Fouts Light Sleeper
Marc Vaughan Light Sleeper
Vince Light Sleeper
ardent enthusiast Miracle Worker
Lathum Slayer
Schmidty Spawn Queen
Raiders Army Spawnling
jeff061 Vigalante

One note about the secret roles: While these were randomly generated, I was set to "roll" again had any of the top 3 officers been Spawn. That seemed like too much of an advantage for the Spawn.

Day 1 -- You guys rolled about an 85 on the water run on the first day. However, this is were Marc became a Spawnling. He was actually unlucky as there was only a 5% chance, instead of 10, for privates to become Spawnlings (that was the unspecificied ability of the red shirts). The thing that I know really upset Dubb and Schmidty is that dubb actually performed his duty as scientist the whole time. They didn't want to draw suspicion. On later days Schmidty would do the same thing. The number of Spawn in the game was trick for me to determine. If it had been 20 I'd have gone with 2, no question. If we had gotten up to 25, I'd have gone with 3 no question. In the end I decided on the compromise of causing one person to start the game as a Spawnling. It so happened that Raiders was the Spawnling and also the nurse, which I liked since I thought it gave the survivors a decent shot of discovering him in time.

Night 1 -- This is the first of the many Spawn misfortunes. They successfully Spawn attacked Vince (their ONLY successful attack of the whole game!) but Vince was a light sleeper. Besides making him resistant it guarenteed that he'd remember an attack in the morning. The Spawn had actually rolled well enough that had this not been true he'd not have known that he was infected.

Day 2 -- The infamous away team disaster. You all rolled a 4. Let that sink in for a moment. I actually INCREASED what the formula said I should give you as water (you needed at least a 5 to get .25 units) as I felt that should be a minimum. This is the day when things turn really nasty for the Spawn. With both Marc and Schmidty on the block, the Spawn on the Council (being Raiders, Dubb, and Schmidty) have to save the Queen, condeming Marc. I think all of the Spawn had a chuckle over the applause given Ardent for his tie breaking decision.

Night 2 -- The Spawn were convinced that they needed to convert the Doctor, as his role was overpowered. I'm not sure I agree with this, but I know they did. And so they decided to attack Vince in the Brig. This was asissted by the fact that misfortune placed two of the other spawn in the brig with Vince. With Schmidity on the outside, and Dubb and Raiders on the inside, it worked out to a 80% base chance, however coupled with Vince being a light sleeper, the Spawn failed their roll. This was the reason for Vince getting the message about 2 or 3 attackers, as Spawn Attacks were allowed through the brig, but at a severe penalty (somewhat lessened by having help on the inside).

Day 3 -- Once again the Spawn get unlucky. Vince scans Dubb and finds out that sure enough he is a Spawn. Some don't believe him, but enough do that Dubb is executed. Losing the Hive Mind for the Spawn isn't the biggest deal as someone else takes over. Instead it was a far bigger deal to lose another Spawn.

Night 3 -- We have the only successful night kill, albeit by Jeff the vigilante, of King. Honestly I forget what the Spawn did this night.

Day 4 -- The Raiders Army scan day. When I designed the rule about Spawn being cured for some reason I only thought of Spawn not on the Spawn Council. When Raiders was scanned it was bedlam. In the end, I think the Coma solution (with a chance for the doctor to revive) was the right solution. What increased the bedlam was at first, I forgot to factor in Vince's exhaustion into the roll. This modified the roll just enough to change it from a complete success, Raiders "cured" nothing bad happens, into a partial success. This meant that something bad might happen. This is when Vince became a Spawnling. Overall, the doctor's chance of being infected when examining a Spawn was only 1 in 6, so this was actually a piece of good fortune for the Spawn. I think it looked a little fishy to the Spawn, but I assure you it was all on the up and up.

Night 4 -- This where the Spawn tried to kill Hoops. If this has worked, it would have made the game very interesting when we got the situation we were in now. It's possible Vince and Schmidity would have been revealed as Spawn, or perhaps their luck would've kicked in and they would fend off suspicion by getting water 1/2 the time.

Day 5 -- The infamous Ardent over ruling day. If this had played out straight I wonder if things would have been better for the Spawn?

Night 5 -- I was amazed at the overwhelming mutiny vote. I thought for sure Ardent had built up enough good will. I predicted he would be spared and thought the vote might be close, but it was far more likely to be a 3 or 4 vote margin. The Spawn had the added misfortune of BOTH being in the brig this night preventing them for doing anything

Day 6 -- Raiders was taken out of his coma. This is where I shouldn't have embargoed the information. If I hadn't been at work this afternoon, and instead checked the board regularly, no doubt things would have been much worse for the Spawn. As it was it turned out it didn't matter because...

Night 6 -- Schmidity forgot to send in an action.

Day 7 -- I was AMAZED absolutely AMAZED that Vince wasn't lynched here. I mean there is almost NOTHING suggesting Mr. W is anything but good and it is a known possibilty that Vince might have been infected. This gave the Spawn one last chance.

Night 7 -- The Spawn attacked, seperately, the water plant. If there had been only one defender, as it looked like there would be when I went to bed, I thought this was a great move as if the first attack could kill or wound the defender it gave the second attack a great chance of damaging the water plant and thus killing off a bunch of the crew. It was not meant to be.

Day 8 -- With the failed attack and Schmidty and Vince both exposed as Spawn, the Survivors claim victory.

If you have other questions about what something was I will be happy to try and answer.

[RealDeal]

Vince was fishy to me the whole game, even when he was survivor and even right after I had scanned him. The way he would leak out only little parts of info a bit at a time and disappear for long periods had even me wondering what was up with him most of the game.

[Passacaglia]

Vince was fishy to me the whole game, even when he was survivor and even right after I had scanned him. The way he would leak out only little parts of info a bit at a time and disappear for long periods had even me wondering what was up with him most of the game.

I was the exact opposite -- probably because you cleared Vince at the same time as clearing me. I guess I felt like I was with you two together, and didn't think about him being a spawnling.