Werewolf: XIV Spawn (GAME OVER! Please give feedback)

[Fouts]

More information about Vince;

Doctor - Vince (scanned himself - reported that he was NOT clean but is now cured)

Schmidty (7) -- Ardent, hoopsguy, jeff, King, KWhit, Saldana, Vince

While I'm not 100 percent sure, the evidence is mounting up pretty high.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Actually, I think the only clear path (and that only marginally) is if Vince is spawn (and I say only marginally because the possibility of infection through the examination of RA remains open). We don't have any clear possibilities going the other way.

[pennywisesb]

Ok peeps, I'm off to church, I'll be back on later. I think there's too many fishy things going on with Vince, and so I'm gonna vote Vince for now so I at least get a vote in.

[kingfc22]

You all die. As the Spawn are not suicidal, even when things are most grim, they will not do this (i.e. it's not an option for them)
Was just curious if we needed to waste a man guarding it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't like the way Fouts is turning this conversation. At risk of putting myself on the block for going off the reservation here,

Vote Fouts

[Blade6119]

Thanks Blade, I'll try to fill in the names for myself.

As for big targerts, on vince's side we have realdeal, wednesday, and vince...on the other side i guess we have dubb, me, maybe king or kwhit, and a couple others...but the big guns are dubb and i...maybe penny too

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, drat, he didn't vote for Schmidty.

Unvote Fouts

[Schmidty]

I'm going to need to vote soon, someone please give me a good reason to not even consider voting for Pennywise. I can't think of a good reason not to, and losing him isn't as harmful to us as losing the Doctor or Scientist.

[Blade6119]

Yah, i have who i think i should toss in there, Vince, Realdeal, Wednesday, and maybe someone else...maybe even RA since i dont know if hes infected or not(not sure who else is best)...hell, if not for the marc vote ardent could be an option...but thats taking the side of vince being bad...if you view otherwise you toss me, kwhit, yourself, and dubb....depends on what side you take

King, what ya think?? Im leaning vince, w, realdeal, and sick ol raiders

[jeff061]

How do we explain RealDeal clearing him, his actions only match up with his claimed role? That, coupled with the fact I'm not anxious to kill a doctor(while the spawn are), is making it difficult for me to change my vote to him.

[Barkeep49]

For the record there are no more away missions. You have neither the supplies nor the knowledge (plus where would you find water in the vaccum of space anyway? :))

[Blade6119]

I'm going to need to vote soon, someone please give me a good reason to not even consider voting for Pennywise. I can't think of a good reason not to, and losing him isn't as harmful to us as losing the Doctor or Scientist.

The big reason to vote dubb or vince is afterwards we atleast have a direction to go...killing penny leaves us with nothing in my mind, as he isnt really linked to anyone

[jeff061]

So Dubb is pretty much a red shirt now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Barkeep, what role, if any, does the scientist have now?

[dubb93]

I honestly don't know how to vote today. The evidence is there for Vince, but his role is a tough one to just throw away. I know I'm clean, and if I was in your situation I would think twice about throwing it away. I really don't know how to vote at this point. A very confusing day.

[Fouts]

Ok, I'm not trying to get Vince killed, but I just cannot fathom what has happened today if he is NOT a spawn. Why is he exhausted? Why is RA in a coma? WTF is going on? I have no idea what my secret role is, why do all these other people know their secret role?

[jeff061]

Unvote Penny

Vote Dubb

Based on the fact he is just extra weight now ;), and trusting Blade's last post.

[jeff061]

Ok, I'm not trying to get Vince killed, but I just cannot fathom what has happened today if he is NOT a spawn. Why is he exhausted? Why is RA in a coma? WTF is going on? I have no idea what my secret role is, why do all these other people know their secret role?

You don't??? Maybe you should have Barkeep re-pm it to you ;).

[Blade6119]

Ok, I'm not trying to get Vince killed, but I just cannot fathom what has happened today if he is NOT a spawn. Why is he exhausted? Why is RA in a coma? WTF is going on? I have no idea what my secret role is, why do all these other people know their secret role?

Thats how i feel...but i had to accuse him with my vote so everyone else saw what i saw...thats why im on a limb here, since i was the one to call him out

[hoopsguy]

I don't see a reason to not vote Dubb because of his scientist role. If you believe Vince there is a 2/3 chance that Dubb is a spawn. He has been on each of the Away Teams, since he is the scientist and the last two were not very good. And being scanned by Raiders Army isn't a great defense at the moment.

By the way, did anyone order Raiders Army to scan Dubb or did he jump to do it before Vince had a chance or someone could order him to scan someone else?

Back after the vote. I'm leaving my vote on Dubb.

[Barkeep49]

So Dubb is pretty much a red shirt now.
That is correct

[dubb93]

Barkeep, what role, if any, does the scientist have now?

None, untill you run low on water, which could be tomorrow if the spawn gang up on it tonight. Voting me increases that chance as there will be more of them for the attack.

[jeff061]

And to re-iterate, it's apparent the Scientist is worthless now. If it's between him and Vince, I choose him.

[Schmidty]

Well, we're getting close to crunch time, so I'm going to count the votes.

[saldana]

i dont see any reason not to believe vince, there is enough for me believe he really was cleared today and that the clear is legit

vote dubb[B]

[jeff061]

None, untill you run low on water, which could be tomorrow if the spawn gang up on it tonight. Voting me increases that chance as there will be more of them for the attack.

There are no more away missions for you to help on, as just confirmed by Barkeep.

[Fouts]

And to re-iterate, it's apparent the Scientist is worthless now. If it's between him and Vince, I choose him.

Ouch, this makes it tougher. Didn't RA scan Dubb before Vince pulled RA into the office?

[dubb93]

There are no more away missions for you to help on, as just confirmed by Barkeep.

OK, so we can't land again? If that is the case we took off WAY too early.

[jeff061]

I don't know, those are the details I'm all hazy on.

[Schmidty]

By the way, the fact that Dubb's role has no use any longer makes me choose to vote:

Vote Dubb

[jeff061]

OK, so we can't land again? If that is the case we took off WAY too early.

We needed to shit or get off the pot ;). Who's to say we wouldn't pull in another.5 units tomorrow, would you be arguing we should stay another day?

[dubb93]

Ok smart guys. I'll help us ruin this mission if that is the intent of command.

Vote Dubb93

...there are some seriously good spawn out there. I can't believe you all fell for this trap.

[jeff061]

Ok smart guys. I'll help us ruin this mission if that is the intent of command.

Vote Dubb93

...there are some seriously good spawn out there. I can't believe you all fell for this trap.

Well if your innocent it sounds like you don't much care about us winning. I'm certainly not having second thoughts.

[Schmidty]

Well, we're getting close to crunch time, so I'm going to count the votes.

The above quote was easier said than done. I have a headache just trying to count the first few....

[dubb93]

Well if your innocent it sounds like you don't much care about us winning. I'm certainly not having second thoughts.

The evidence is out there, read through the thread, if you can't see it I'm sorry for you. Today has been all too convienant. I don't believe a word Vince or Real Deal have said this entire game. When the water supply is sabataged by them tonight you will be sorry.

[Fouts]

Now I'm wavering between Dubb and Vince. I would hate to lose the doc if he's legit. Really wish Vince would explain what happened during his scan of RA. What are the chances he will be back before the deadline?

[jeff061]

The second you vote for yourself I have no interest in what you have to say. That kind bugs me(unless it's a ploy).

[Barkeep49]

The above quote was easier said than done. I have a headache just trying to count the first few....
Tell me about it. I would appreciate if someone could verify the following totals:

Dubb (9) -- ardent, dubb, hoops, jeff, lathum, mrbug, real, sal, schmidty
Vince (3) -- blade, king, Fouts
Penny (2) -- Passacaglia, Vince

Not voting yet: Bek and KWhit

The rest have chosen to abstain for the moment.

Now correct through Fout's post below

[Fouts]

My vote is currently on Vince, and I think somebody else voted for him too (penny?).

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- The magic number for tonight is still 7. Without that many votes for a person there is no execution. If there is an execution then that number will move to 6.

[jeff061]

So if Dubb is innocent we look at RealDeal and Vince tomorrow??
Guilty we look at Blade and Penny/Kwhit/King??

[Schmidty]

Dola -- The magic number for tonight is still 7. Without that many votes for a person there is no execution. If there is an execution then that number will move to 6.

Well, shit. If I'm the deciding vote and the guy isn't a spawn, I'd take heat. But I guess he voted for himself, so that was the deciding vote.

[pennywisesb]

Now I'm wavering between Dubb and Vince. I would hate to lose the doc if he's legit. Really wish Vince would explain what happened during his scan of RA. What are the chances he will be back before the deadline?

Thought I'd update you before I left. Vince is going to the Giants game tonight so there is no chance of him being back on before the deadline. He says he's sorry.

Barkeep I voted for Vince

[dubb93]

Yeah guys, Vince starts the day by claiming 2-3 Spawn were in the brig with him last night(Yea, I bet King got that lucky with his selections) RA scans me and before he gets a chance to officially clear me Vince puts him in a coma. Wednesday and Real Deal jump to his defense(how nice) and Vince stays quiet the rest of the day....but i'm the spawn, good logic there guys.

[RealDeal]

So if Dubb is innocent we look at RealDeal and Vince tomorrow??
Guilty we look at Blade and Penny/Kwhit/King??

You can choose to look at me, but I'll be clear that I don't know if Dubb is Spawn. The only thing I'm sure of is that Vince was clear when I made the scan.

[jeff061]

The key to your situation is you are expendable(sorry, bad luck) and guilty or innocent you lead us down a path.

[dubb93]

Unvote Dubb93

Vote Vince

My vote for myself was intended to show you guys how stupid this all looks...maybe it backfired? Serously, look at the evidence, this is stupid, I'M NOT A SPAWN DAMNIT!

[jeff061]

Dubb, I understand your frustration, but I don't think you fully understand the reasons(at least mine) for voting for you.

[Blade6119]

Yeah guys, Vince starts the day by claiming 2-3 Spawn were in the brig with him last night(Yea, I bet King got that lucky with his selections) RA scans me and before he gets a chance to officially clear me Vince puts him in a coma. Wednesday and Real Deal jump to his defense(how nice) and Vince stays quiet the rest of the day....but i'm the spawn, good logic there guys.
bingo....but its too late

[Bek]

so what is the vote looking like now...and with the magic number being 7 does that mean seven people voting for one person or a total of seven people voting?..can someone please clarify this for me...

[Schmidty]

bingo....but its too late

It's not too late until 25 minutes from now.

[Fouts]

Yeah guys, Vince starts the day by claiming 2-3 Spawn were in the brig with him last night(Yea, I bet King got that lucky with his selections) RA scans me and before he gets a chance to officially clear me Vince puts him in a coma. Wednesday and Real Deal jump to his defense(how nice) and Vince stays quiet the rest of the day....but i'm the spawn, good logic there guys.

Good arguement, better than voting for yourself. I'm leaving my vote on Vince, but you better not be a spawn!

[jeff061]

7 for one person I believe, if more than one are 7+ Ardent is the tiebreaker.

[jeff061]

Bottom line, I'm hesitant to vote on the Doctor. If Dubb is innocent today then Vince dies tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

It's not too late until 25 minutes from now.
No way a 7-3 difference in votes is changing in the next 25...i just hope i wasnt wrong about dubb

[Blade6119]

Bottom line, I'm hesitant to vote on the Doctor. If Dubb is innocent today then Vince dies tomorrow.

We dont have those numbers...we die from water in three days i think, and this vote will prob. cost us the game

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not convinced that dubb is the right guy to vote for. I'm not convinced that Vince is the wrong guy to vote for. As I noted before, we have a lot of people jumping to wild conclusions based on minimal evidence, but that's par for the course for a WW game so I'm not holding that against them, and that leaves me with... not much of anything.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The scientist no longer has a role regarding water because there will be no more away missions now that we've lifted off. Some people seem to have missed that point.

[jeff061]

We do the math on that? Rationing, possibly two kills a day, ect.

[Poli]

Wow. Gotta lot to read. I'm at post 880

[Mr. Wednesday]

Bottom line, I'm hesitant to vote on the Doctor. If Dubb is innocent today then Vince dies tomorrow.I don't see the reason for that at all. Vince actually accused pennywise, rather than dubb, as I recall.

[Schmidty]

Wow. Gotta lot to read. I'm at post 880

Better hurry, you've only got 20 minutes. :)

[RealDeal]

yeah if Dubb is innocent, Penny would be my next target. Vince never specifically accused anyone. He just said he was attacked by two people. He voted for penny.

[Vince]

Wow. Apparently a ton has happened. There's no way I can catch up, so here's what I know:

At first I didn't find anything wrong with RA -- but then I caught a blip. Feigning ignorance, I covertly loaded up a sedative, and administered it to him before anything could go wrong. I was then able to successfully eliminate the Spawn.

Raiders Army WAS spawn, and is now cured.

This makes me more hesitant to vote for anyone ELSE who was in the brig, but not completely. I still think there was more than one of them attacking me.

[Passacaglia]

yeah if Dubb is innocent, Penny would be my next target. Vince never specifically accused anyone. He just said he was attacked by two people. He voted for penny.

I'm thinking both are spawn.

[Fouts]

yeah if Dubb is innocent, Penny would be my next target. Vince never specifically accused anyone. He just said he was attacked by two people. He voted for penny.

Wow, you and Mr. W are big Vince fans. Really makes me suspicious.

[Blade6119]

yeah if Dubb is innocent, Penny would be my next target. Vince never specifically accused anyone. He just said he was attacked by two people. He voted for penny.

OMG, your already covering for him tomorrow...if dubb is clear vince has gotta go...no way around it

[Passacaglia]

Wow. Apparently a ton has happened. There's no way I can catch up, so here's what I know:

At first I didn't find anything wrong with RA -- but then I caught a blip. Feigning ignorance, I covertly loaded up a sedative, and administered it to him before anything could go wrong. I was then able to successfully eliminate the Spawn.

Raiders Army WAS spawn, and is now cured.

This makes me more hesitant to vote for anyone ELSE who was in the brig, but not completely. I still think there was more than one of them attacking me.

Wow. So he's cured and in a coma? That is interesting. Now I'm not sure both penny and dubb are spawn. But it looks like it doesn't matter what I think, since dubb is probably dead either way.

[jeff061]

He's cured? Coulda fooled me :).

Did anyone else have any insight into RA's condition?

[Passacaglia]

OMG, your already covering for him tomorrow...if dubb is clear vince has gotta go...no way around it

dude, vince voted for penny

[RealDeal]

When will RA get out of his coma?

[Blade6119]

Wow. Apparently a ton has happened. There's no way I can catch up, so here's what I know:

At first I didn't find anything wrong with RA -- but then I caught a blip. Feigning ignorance, I covertly loaded up a sedative, and administered it to him before anything could go wrong. I was then able to successfully eliminate the Spawn.

Raiders Army WAS spawn, and is now cured.

This makes me more hesitant to vote for anyone ELSE who was in the brig, but not completely. I still think there was more than one of them attacking me.

Sedative doesnt equal coma...sorry...and you cured yourself and you didnt have any after effects

[jeff061]

Vince is sounding an awful lot like Fouts a few games back ;).

[Barkeep49]

To clarify: Ardent only breaks a tie. In order to execute someone at least 1/3 of the crew must vote for that person. It is obviously mathematically possible for two people to get more than 1/3 of the vote. In this situation the person with the most votes dies. My current vote totals will be in the next post

[Fouts]

A sedative? Nice. It seems the doctor has more power than we thought.

[Blade6119]

dude, vince voted for penny

and?? He doesnt need to vote for dubb, its over already...id do the same if i were him

[RealDeal]

I would just add that there's nothing about a coma in the rules. I have no way to approach it.

[dubb93]

Wow. Apparently a ton has happened. There's no way I can catch up, so here's what I know:

At first I didn't find anything wrong with RA -- but then I caught a blip. Feigning ignorance, I covertly loaded up a sedative, and administered it to him before anything could go wrong. I was then able to successfully eliminate the Spawn.

Raiders Army WAS spawn, and is now cured.

This makes me more hesitant to vote for anyone ELSE who was in the brig, but not completely. I still think there was more than one of them attacking me.

Yea, your story makes alot of sense, to cure RA you put him in a coma, but when you cure yourself you just walk out of the office and announce it....let me guess you are the light sleeper?

[jeff061]

To clarify: Ardent only breaks a tie. In order to execute someone at least 1/3 of the crew must vote for that person. It is obviously mathematically possible for two people to get more than 1/3 of the vote. In this situation the person with the most votes dies. My current vote totals will be in the next post

Ah sorry, didn't think we had a tie yesterday.

[Vince]

Sedative doesnt equal coma...sorry...and you cured yourself and you didnt have any after effects
If I sedated myself, how would I continue the operation? If RA was SPAWN, he wouldn't have WANTED to be cured.

I'm leaving for the Giants game now, so that's all I can say. Good luck guys.

[dubb93]

Ah sorry, didn't think we had a tie yesterday.

We didn't....

[Passacaglia]

and?? He doesnt need to vote for dubb, its over already...id do the same if i were him

But he voted for penny before anyone voted for dubb!

[Passacaglia]

We didn't....

No take backs!!

[dubb93]

If I sedated myself, how would I continue the operation? If RA was SPAWN, he wouldn't have WANTED to be cured.

I'm leaving for the Giants game now, so that's all I can say. Good luck guys.

So what yur really saying is you are infact the light sleeper. :D

[Barkeep49]

Dubb (8)-- Ardent, hoops, jeff, lathum, mr.bug, real, saldana, schmidty
Vince (5)-- blade, dubb, fouts, king, penny
Penny (2)-- Pass, Vince

[Blade6119]

But he voted for penny before anyone voted for dubb!

so?? None of this happend until i accused him a ways into the vote...him switching now would seem too suspect

[jeff061]

Penny and Dubb could of been two innocents to him, don't see why that overrules this added bizarre behavior.

[jeff061]

Off to the Football game. No matter what happens, at least it seems we have a starting point for tomorrow.

[kingfc22]

Unvote Vince

Vote Dubb

Simply for that fact that he is now extra baggage and his death will still give us knowledge to use for tomorrow.

[Poli]

Wow. Just finished. I'm sticking with the doc.

[Poli]

Vince, don't let me down.

[dubb93]

Come on Ardent, finish looking at the evidence and vote vince, you too Pass, look at all this, you 2 vote vince and we have a tie....then Ardent can flip a coin and lynch one of us(hopefully Vince)

[KWhit]

Just read through everything. So far I believe Vince because of RealDeal vouching for him and then MrW vouching for RealDeal. I don't think all of them would be so strongly defending him if they were spawn. It's not a good strategy to do that this early for the spawn - puts a big target on them all.

I have no idea if dubb is a spawn or not, I just think that it seems to fit, strategically.

Vote Dubb.

[Schmidty]

Vince, don't let me down.

You know everything's gonna be ok when AE says that. :D




(Better be right ;) )

[dubb93]

Just read through everything. So far I believe Vince because of RealDeal vouching for him and then MrW vouching for RealDeal. I don't think all of them would be so strongly defending him if they were spawn. It's not a good strategy to do that this early for the spawn - puts a big target on them all.

I have no idea if dubb is a spawn or not, I just think that it seems to fit, strategically.

Vote Dubb.

Way to have my back, the truth will catch up to you and King sooner or later. Only needed a few more votes :mad:, nice freakin job

[Blade6119]

Just read through everything. So far I believe Vince because of RealDeal vouching for him and then MrW vouching for RealDeal. I don't think all of them would be so strongly defending him if they were spawn. It's not a good strategy to do that this early for the spawn - puts a big target on them all.

I have no idea if dubb is a spawn or not, I just think that it seems to fit, strategically.

Vote Dubb.

This early...we lose in two-three days unless we start hitting things...i dont see this being early, and part of it is due to us not voting day 1

[dubb93]

Way to have my back guys, I hope you all die quickly :D

[kingfc22]

OMG, your already covering for him tomorrow...if dubb is clear vince has gotta go...no way around it
Yes.

[Blade6119]

Way to have my back, the truth will catch up to you and King sooner or later. Only needed a few more votes :mad:, nice freakin job

He wouldnt say this with two minutes to go if he wasnt innocent...i still cant believe vince and his crew pulled this off...we had em

[Schmidty]

He wouldnt say this with two minutes to go if he wasnt innocent...i still cant believe vince and his crew pulled this off...we had em

Dude, if he IS a spawn, you are going to look awful. I would play it down a bit......

[Poli]

Easy killers. Or ye all be walking the plank.

[kingfc22]

Maybe we did, but nobody else was going towards Vince and this way we don't lose anyone that is valuable while still attaining the same information. Remember, we do have Hoops who can ration water.

[Barkeep49]

The unity of the crew has been shattered. The crew can only hope that if they survive that they will be able to reunite before they return to Earth and that the Spawn would not be able to claim victory even then. And if the Spawn win, will the disagreements have helped them?

At the moment no one really knows. Putting your scientist to death was not an easy decision, but in the end people seem to feel that it is the right one. You corner Dubb but he continues to lash out. "HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS!?! You fools!" But the crew is not swayed and from someone lands the first blow. At first dubb puts up a defense but he then resigns himself to his fate. The crew viciously beats dubb to death and while doing so a vile creature emerges. In fact dubb was A SPAWN

[Schmidty]

Easy killers. Or ye all be walking the plank.

Is that what ya call that thing, Cap'n? ;)

[dubb93]

This will be fun...

[Blade6119]

Dude, if he IS a spawn, you are going to look awful. I would play it down a bit......

im dead no matter how i play it...hard or not, if dubb is bad im gone since i voted for vince and got attention off dubb

[Poli]

I heart you dubb, regardless.

[kingfc22]

This will be fun...
This scares me.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Fouts]

Dude, if he IS a spawn, you are going to look awful. I would play it down a bit......

Thats what I'm worried about. I have no idea about dubb, but there is alot of weird stuff surrounding vince.

[Schmidty]

This scares me.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Yeah, WTF was that?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sorry about not getting a vote in, my mom called about ten minutes before the deadline as I was about to check in and make my final decision.

[Schmidty]

Sorry about not getting a vote in, my mom called about ten minutes before the deadline as I was about to check in and make my final decision.

I bet the dog ate your homework a lot too, huh? ;)

[Poli]

The unity of the crew has been shattered. The crew can only hope that if they survive that they will be able to reunite before they return to Earth and that the Spawn would not be able to claim victory even then. And if the Spawn win, will the disagreements have helped them?

At the moment no one really knows. Putting your scientist to death was not an easy decision, but in the end people seem to feel that it is the right one. You corner Dubb but he continues to lash out. "HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS!?! You fools!" But the crew is not swayed and from someone lands the first blow. At first dubb puts up a defense but he then resigns himself to his fate. The crew viciously beats dubb to death and while doing so a vile creature emerges. In fact dubb was A SPAWN

Rock.

[Passacaglia]

Yes!!

[Poli]

Blade, eat my shorts.

[Schmidty]

I didn't even see that, AE.

Great job, people!!!!! :D

[Passacaglia]

So did anyone get placed in the brig?

[Blade6119]

Wow, im screwed....after spending all day defending him i will step up and say i was wrong...ill start the bandwagon now, as i deserve to die after my horrible misplay yesterday...i apologize to everyone

Vote Blade

[KWhit]

Hehe!

YES!!!!

[Fouts]

Wow. I am shocked. Well done guys. Does this mean we win?

[Blade6119]

So did anyone get placed in the brig?

ya...4 guys who seem pretty innocent now...

[Barkeep49]

Sorry for the time lag. The board is acting very slow for me and I had to do work at my work (of all things!).

Night actions due by 9 as always.

[KWhit]

Outstanding work, guys!

Well played, Dubb. You almost made me change my vote with your passionate plea.

[Blade6119]

Wow. I am shocked. Well done guys. Does this mean we win?

i deserve to die, but fouts is trying to steal that from me with stupid comments like that

[kingfc22]

SWEET!!!

Sorry I doubted Mr. W and RealDeal, but the events surrounding Vince just seemed to outrageous, but the knowledge tha Dubb's role was now useless made my decision an easy risk/reward one.

Fouts has now moved towards the top of my list since he was one of the 3 additions to the 2nd away mission.

[Poli]

I'm Ardent The Captain Man
Nothing be wrong
Cause we kill the spawn
I'm Ardent The Captain Man

Toot toot!

[kingfc22]

ya...4 guys who seem pretty innocent now...
At least they will be safe.

[Blade6119]

I'm Ardent The Captain Man
Nothing be wrong
Cause we kill the spawn
I'm Ardent The Captain Man

Toot toot!

sing all the way to the brig, sleep tight tonight ardent...sorry :(

[saldana]

nice job everyone

[kingfc22]

who is in the brig tonight?

[Fouts]

SWEET!!!

Sorry I doubted Mr. W and RealDeal, but the events surrounding Vince just seemed to outrageous, but the knowledge tha Dubb's role was now useless made my decision an easy risk/reward one.

Fouts has now moved towards the top of my list since he was one of the 3 additions to the 2nd away mission.

No problem. Scan me, I welcome it.

My point was that 2 spawn are now dead and 1 spawn cured. How many freakin spawn can we have ??

[dubb93]

How many freakin spawn can we have ??

;)

[Barkeep49]

A wave of excitement occurs when you see the Spawn but then a voice from the back calls out "HEY! Isn't that different looking that yesterday's spawn?" People murmer their agreement. You look closely and see that it seems to have a particularly large head. It seems as though Dubb was not only a Spawn, but he was the HIVE MIND!

Vote Tally
Dubb (10) -- Ardent, hoops, jeff, king, Kwhit, lathum, mr.bug, real, saldana, schmidty
Vince (4) -- Blade, dubb, fouts, penny
Penny (2) -- Pass, Vince
Abstain (1) -- Mr.W
No Vote (1) -- Bek

[Poli]

sing all the way to the brig, sleep tight tonight ardent...sorry :(I can rescind that, you know.

[Poli]

A wave of excitement occurs when you see the Spawn but then a voice from the back calls out "HEY! Isn't that different looking that yesterday's spawn?" People murmer their agreement. You look closely and see that it seems to have a particularly large head. It seems as though Dubb was not only a Spawn, but he was the HIVE QUEEN!

Vote Tally
Dubb (10) -- Ardent, hoops, jeff, king, Kwhit, lathum, mr.bug, real, saldana, schmidty
Vince (4) -- Blade, dubb, fouts, penny
Penny (2) -- Pass, Vince
Abstain (1) -- Mr.W
No Vote (1) -- BekDouble rock!

[Blade6119]

I can rescind that, you know.

do it, toss me in...id be safer in there from you guys :(

[KWhit]

Dubb is such a queen.

[Passacaglia]

Very nice!

[Poli]

I think I'll order Vince to give you a sedative.

[Blade6119]

I think I'll order Vince to give you a sedative.

please do, im doing more bad then good...now i get why RA was saying that, he was trying to save dubb

[Fouts]

I have to say that Vince is in the clear. If he were a spawn, he surely wouldn't have outted one of the people in the brig with him, when there was no suspicion.

So where does that leave us?

[Passacaglia]

please do, im doing more bad then good...now i get why RA was saying that, he was trying to save dubb

So what do you think their joke was? "Ah ha, it's so funny that I am spawn and you are too!" "Yes, those fools don't know a thing about our secret identities" "Oh, look, there they are, we'd better shut up."

[Blade6119]

I have to say that Vince is in the clear. If he were a spawn, he surely wouldn't have outted one of the people in the brig with him, when there was no suspicion.

So where does that leave us?

looking at you and me....me looking at you

[Mr. Wednesday]

We may surmise that Vince was attacked by both dubb and RA overnight. It would be nice if we could now determine for certain that Vince was able to cure RA.

[Schmidty]

I have to say that Vince is in the clear. If he were a spawn, he surely wouldn't have outted one of the people in the brig with him, when there was no suspicion.

So where does that leave us?

It leaves you and Blade looking bad, but I think we are very close to winning since the Queen is dead and can't infect anymore of the crew.

[Barkeep49]

After today's drama people are tired and start to head for bed. However, Blade stops Vince, Mr W, Realdeal, and Ardent and tells them that they will be spending the night in the brig.

[Poli]

I'm down with that.

[Fouts]

It leaves you and Blade looking bad, but I think we are very close to winning since the Queen is dead and can't infect anymore of the crew.

Easily cleared up with a couple scans. We'll see what the night brings.

[Schmidty]

If I spy on someone, can another security person protect me while I'm spying?

[KWhit]

We need to protect the water supply tonight, guys.

I could use some protection too.

[Barkeep49]

It leaves you and Blade looking bad, but I think we are very close to winning since the Queen is dead and can't infect anymore of the crew.
Except I got swept up in the excitement and combined two roles. Dubb alas was only the Hive Mind, not the Spawn Queen. But then again this doesn't really matter as if he were the Queen, he couldn't launch any more Spawn attacks, and if he's the mind it passes to a surviving Spawn.

[Fouts]

Huh? The queen is dead, why would any of you need protection?

[Schmidty]

We need to protect the water supply tonight, guys.

I could use some protection too.

Gotcha.

[KWhit]

Huh? The queen is dead, why would any of you need protection?
They can still kill us. Duh.

[Barkeep49]

If I spy on someone, can another security person protect me while I'm spying?
Yes.

[Schmidty]

Huh? The queen is dead, why would any of you need protection?

Ok, that's a wierd question, as people can still be killed.

[RealDeal]

cool. I was afraid for a sec that Dubb and Blade were going to talk everyone into killing Vince, which would have been terrible.

[Fouts]

My bad, since they haven't killed anyone, I didn't realize they could. I suppose it fits in with past WW games.

[Passacaglia]

Me too RealDeal.

Now that I'm promoted, I can protect someone! Will that make me exhausted?

[Barkeep49]

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Right now the next Day Cycle is scheduled to last through Sunday at 9 AM. If people wish, INSTEAD we could have the next day cycle end at 9 PM, as usual, and instead have the night cycle last the weekend. I will not be at my computer from 4-11 PM tomorrow, but it might fit peoples schedules better. Please cast your vote at some point (preferably before 3 tomorrow).

Now that I'm promoted, I can protect someone! Will that make me exhausted?

Yes

[Poli]

Either or. I better not have to stay in the brig all weekend.

Blade, I order you give me alcohol in the brig.

[Fouts]

Sure, lets run a day tomorrow. That way I can be cleared and we can focus on the spawn over the weekend.

[KWhit]

I agree. Let's run a day tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm in the process of moving, so I'm not sure how much I'm going to be able to do this weekend. I'm sorry about the in-game effect this may have (all the moreso because I'm usually one to get annoyed over the lack of availability of others); I was a little laggard about getting phone service set up, so even considering use of backup dialup service (prior to ordering broadband), I won't have any kind of service from moving Saturday until Monday.

I still have access at school, so if I can manage to get away on Sunday at some point, I'll be able to check in, and I should be able to pop in occasionally tomorrow between school and packing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, so I guess I would be fine with running a day cycle tomorrow, although I hope I don't wind up with a burning desire to know if something that someone says after 4 pm is true or not. :p

[Passacaglia]

I'm up for adding another day cycle.

[Schmidty]

Sure let's add one tomorrow.

[kingfc22]

I'm good for one tomorrow

[saldana]

i can do a cycle tommorow

[jeff061]

Nice job guys.

Nice try Dubb, it was a ploy afterall :).

[jeff061]

So who does this incriminate?

[Passacaglia]

When the votes were starting to pile for dubb, I was thinking dubb has a good chance of being spawn, then we should go for pennywise tomorrow. But that's when I thought RA was clean. Sorry, pennywise, I knew that one of the three of you, RA, and dubb were spawn, and RA and dubb seemed to clear themselves. I thought someone said that RA was clean, but I may be wrong. I think the main thing that made me suspect you was that you cast suspicion on Vince, who was obviously clean. So anyway, even though I voted for penny last time, I'll admit that I might have been wrong -- it's not a vendetta or anything! But now, I don't know who to vote for. I don't see any reason to suspect Blade just because he voted for Vince -- he's one of 5 after all. But the whole self-defeatist attitude makes me think we might as well vote for him.

[dubb93]

So who does this incriminate?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this really doesn't look good for me.

[saldana]

fwiw, i know lathum has to work from 3 until 1 am tommorow, so if barkeep is counting who is around tommorow for a day cycle, he will be out (no chance of him checking in from work)

[Poli]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this really doesn't look good for me.Even if it went to a tie, you were a goner. I gave you the kiss of death.

[Passacaglia]

Even if it went to a tie, you were a goner. I gave you the kiss of death.

I didn't even know that special ability existed!

[Poli]

I didn't even know that special ability existed!Marc and Schmidty knew. :)

[hoopsguy]

Well, if you are looking for who is incriminated at the moment, I would say the person who stacked the brig with two spawn and Vince would have to be a prime suspect.

I initially thought this was Blade, but King said in conversation earlier tonight it was him and someone else also noted this in the thread earlier. I don't have a post # to cite for this but I'll find it if there is question on this point.

The voting records on this one should probably count more than the ones for Marc, since the other two members of the spawn council know can PM each other and the Hive Mind.

Barkeep, can the Hive Mind share the identities of the other spawn in PMs? Or is this restricted, since this power appears to belong to the Psionic Connection spawn role? If the Hive Mind can just tell the council then this seems to drastically reduce the impact of the Psionic Connection power. Unless there are numerous other spawn outside the council.

If King knew about the identities of the other two (or three?) spawn, then it was a little ballsy to throw them both in the brig to bag the doc. I'm not sure I would want the Queen and the Hive Mind to be in the same place if the attempt failed and Vince was able to live to tell his story. I'm guessing they attacked him rather than trying to convert him, playing the higher percentage and knowing they had Raiders as the person who would assume his role. If this is the case, they got a really crappy dice roll.

[dubb93]

Barkeep, can the Hive Mind share the identities of the other spawn in PMs?

In best Barkeep voice....yes. But not the identity of the council with members outside the council(couldn't talk to them). All of this is theoretical of course, there may be more than 3 spawn now there may not, there may have been more than 3 spawn @ 1 point, there may not, so don't try and take anything from this post.

[Barkeep49]

Well dubb didn't even get the color right :), but his info is correct. The Hive Mind may do with the information as he pleases. At the end of the game, if people seem to have enjoyed it, I will take suggestions it case it is ever run again and would be happy to discuss more about the powers (or lack there of) the Hive Mind has

[RealDeal]

My theory is that RA was the third council member and that his coma was an improvised rule because Barkeep realized that his coversion back to good guy would compromise all the spawn. It's just a theory, but it's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

[hoopsguy]

Third council member? I think your theory seems like a reasonable explanation if RA is not available to us tomorrow morning. But to the best of my knowledge, we have no idea if Marc was on the council or how many spawn there are.

Does anyone have any theories on the spawn count?

[pennywisesb]

Wow, step out for a few hours and I miss all the action! Great job everyone. Unfortunately, I think I cast too much doubt towards Vince, escpecially since I was one of the original people who outed RA. But, Dubb did a good job and had me fooled. So, sorry that I voted for you Vince.

Pass, no qualms here. I know how easy it is for suspicion to mount in these WW games. :)

Now, I would like to know who could promote me to a medic? And if this is a viable option, I would like the promotion ASAP. In case there is a spawn attack, hopefully I can be useful.

[jeff061]

Well after putting some time into who I think we should go after next, in my opinion it is King. I searched his posts and didn't see a lot of posts that actually help us. Only one I found was from today, bringing attention to the fact the engine room does not need a guard. So that peaked my interest in him(over 2 or 3 other guys I focused on). For those wondering, his last second change to Dubb raised an initial flag with me.

But here is the clincher. I was thinking Blade, since 2 spawn + Vince in the brig is pretty spotty. Hoops mentioned someone else gave the order. And low and behold it was the guy who had already found his way to the top of my list.

From post 486, by King, which summarized everyone's actions for the day:

Warden - Blade6119 (ordered by King to put Vince, RA, dubb and pennywise in brig on Night 2)

[MrBug708]

Good job guys. Took me 20 minutes to skim over everything

[jeff061]

I skimmed hoops post earlier, he spelled out most of what I said :).

In anycase I'll add this. I'm guessing A spawn(RA), hive mind(dubb) and a nobody(penny) were thrown in the brig to make sure no one was protecting Vince as they attacked him. Can't think of any other reason.

[kingfc22]

I skimmed hoops post earlier, he spelled out most of what I said :).

In anycase I'll add this. I'm guessing A spawn(RA), hive mind(dubb) and a nobody(penny) were thrown in the brig to make sure no one was protecting Vince as they attacked him. Can't think of any other reason.
That would be a pretty stupid move on my part. Like I said in post #551, I gave the order because Blade did not and I did not want to waste our ability to isolate 4 individuals. If I was a Spawn, I don't think that would have been in my best interest to lock up 2 of my own guys who I would rather use to make an attack on the water supply or engine room to delay the lift-off of the ship.

[Vince]

[Chief Rum]

Well, well, well. What a day, eh? Figures that for one of the most active werewolf days ever, I am the key component of discussion and I'm not even around to enjoy it.

Good work everyone -- glad to see that my 'balls to the wall' approach paid off. What I really think has happened this game is that I've had a horseshoe up my ass -- I was able to cure myself (which I assume took a 'roll'), I was able to survive a multiple spawn attack (which took a pretty gnarly roll), and I was able to cure Raiders Army. Hopefully my luck can continue, because it's already given us a huge advantage.

For those keeping score at home --
Day 1: No Lynch
Night 1: Spawnling Conversion Attack on Vince
Day 2:
--Vince cured himself of Spawnling infection.
--Lynched Marc Vaughn -- Spawn
Night 2: Regular attack on Vince, unsuccessful.
Day 3:
--Ship took off -- no more Away Missions, no future spawn can be created.
--Vince cured Raiders Army of Spawn infection -- RA is now in a coma
--Lynched Dubb -- Spawn Hive Mind

Where does this leave us? Well, since Dubb's role was revealed, I'd think that Marc Vaughn was a regular spawn. Raiders Army? Well, I have no idea what he was. No information was given to me about his potential role, so I couldn't tell you. I'm not sure if/when RA will be able to talk again -- if he knows about other Spawn identities, I can't imagine he'd be allowed to, or it would completely unbalance the game. I still think we have at least a couple spawn left. I don't know that there's any way for us to know exactly how many spawn are left. And I definitely think their first priority is going to be attacking the water supply.

Things I don't know...

Why there isn't an explanation for becoming exhausted by surviving an attack. If I am a light sleeper, I do not know about it, but it could help to explain how I managed to avoid the multi-spawn attack.

Whether or not Pennywisesb is clean. I don't know how many people attacked me -- and the number that I mentioned earlier was 2 or 3. It seemed at times like it was 2 people, and at times like it was 3. I don't see any possible way that I could have survived a three person attack -- but maybe they tried multiple attacks?

How many spawn are left. There could be quite a few if we got unlucky during the first two away team missions.

How we are going to get water. This is quite possibly the most important thing we need to figure out.


People I am suspicious of (not necessarily in order of suspicion)...

Blade6119 -- He was pushing AWFULLY hard to get me, and kept insisting that the crew lost next to nothing even if they lynched me. Considering I can not only detect spawn, but I can CURE spawn...that'd be a pretty crucial ability to lose. From a spawn's tactical viewpoint, this is a poor strategy; if he lynches me, I'm innocent, he and Dubb immediately become suspects. Sure, it's at the expense of the Doctor -- but do they have the numbers to be able to just throw away Spawn? This worries me...

Pennywisesb -- Was in the Brig with me last night (strike one), voted for me (strike two), and is practically useless to the crew at this point (not quite strike three). I think he is far from clear in my book.

Kingfc22 -- Is responsible for putting me in the brig with 2 (and maybe even three) spawn (strike one). Also voted for me (strike two). What I like to do when pointing the finger at someone is think of what they did, and whether or not I would do it if I were spawn. Pros to his move -- (1) practically guarantees that the Doctor dies (sorry to foil your efforts here :)) (2) Then can single out one spawn and kill him, at least partially clearing the rest. Cons to his move -- an attack within the brig is a sure-fire way to 'out' at lest one spawn.


The apparent strategy of the spawn so far is to kill me at all costs. A solid strategy, since I'm the seer. However, their blatant efforts worry me -- the guys we have killed/cured already are far from stupid, and though the brig move could be construed as a calculated risk, I think that we have a problem. This strategy makes the most sense if the Spawn have a tremendous advantage in numbers -- they can 'throw away' people in an attempt to kill me. Either way, we have questions to answer, and I'm not entirely sure who I would like to examine tomorrow, though I have a few legitimate candidates. I'm open to suggestions, and highly encourage strategic discussion.

[/Chief Rum]

[Blade6119]

[Chief Rum]

Well, well, well. What a day, eh? Figures that for one of the most active werewolf days ever, I am the key component of discussion and I'm not even around to enjoy it.

Good work everyone -- glad to see that my 'balls to the wall' approach paid off. What I really think has happened this game is that I've had a horseshoe up my ass -- I was able to cure myself (which I assume took a 'roll'), I was able to survive a multiple spawn attack (which took a pretty gnarly roll), and I was able to cure Raiders Army. Hopefully my luck can continue, because it's already given us a huge advantage.

For those keeping score at home --
Day 1: No Lynch
Night 1: Spawnling Conversion Attack on Vince
Day 2:
--Vince cured himself of Spawnling infection.
--Lynched Marc Vaughn -- Spawn
Night 2: Regular attack on Vince, unsuccessful.
Day 3:
--Ship took off -- no more Away Missions, no future spawn can be created.
--Vince cured Raiders Army of Spawn infection -- RA is now in a coma
--Lynched Dubb -- Spawn Hive Mind

Where does this leave us? Well, since Dubb's role was revealed, I'd think that Marc Vaughn was a regular spawn. Raiders Army? Well, I have no idea what he was. No information was given to me about his potential role, so I couldn't tell you. I'm not sure if/when RA will be able to talk again -- if he knows about other Spawn identities, I can't imagine he'd be allowed to, or it would completely unbalance the game. I still think we have at least a couple spawn left. I don't know that there's any way for us to know exactly how many spawn are left. And I definitely think their first priority is going to be attacking the water supply.

Things I don't know...

Why there isn't an explanation for becoming exhausted by surviving an attack. If I am a light sleeper, I do not know about it, but it could help to explain how I managed to avoid the multi-spawn attack.

Whether or not Pennywisesb is clean. I don't know how many people attacked me -- and the number that I mentioned earlier was 2 or 3. It seemed at times like it was 2 people, and at times like it was 3. I don't see any possible way that I could have survived a three person attack -- but maybe they tried multiple attacks?

How many spawn are left. There could be quite a few if we got unlucky during the first two away team missions.

How we are going to get water. This is quite possibly the most important thing we need to figure out.


People I am suspicious of (not necessarily in order of suspicion)...

Blade6119 -- He was pushing AWFULLY hard to get me, and kept insisting that the crew lost next to nothing even if they lynched me. Considering I can not only detect spawn, but I can CURE spawn...that'd be a pretty crucial ability to lose. From a spawn's tactical viewpoint, this is a poor strategy; if he lynches me, I'm innocent, he and Dubb immediately become suspects. Sure, it's at the expense of the Doctor -- but do they have the numbers to be able to just throw away Spawn? This worries me...

Pennywisesb -- Was in the Brig with me last night (strike one), voted for me (strike two), and is practically useless to the crew at this point (not quite strike three). I think he is far from clear in my book.

Kingfc22 -- Is responsible for putting me in the brig with 2 (and maybe even three) spawn (strike one). Also voted for me (strike two). What I like to do when pointing the finger at someone is think of what they did, and whether or not I would do it if I were spawn. Pros to his move -- (1) practically guarantees that the Doctor dies (sorry to foil your efforts here :)) (2) Then can single out one spawn and kill him, at least partially clearing the rest. Cons to his move -- an attack within the brig is a sure-fire way to 'out' at lest one spawn.


The apparent strategy of the spawn so far is to kill me at all costs. A solid strategy, since I'm the seer. However, their blatant efforts worry me -- the guys we have killed/cured already are far from stupid, and though the brig move could be construed as a calculated risk, I think that we have a problem. This strategy makes the most sense if the Spawn have a tremendous advantage in numbers -- they can 'throw away' people in an attempt to kill me. Either way, we have questions to answer, and I'm not entirely sure who I would like to examine tomorrow, though I have a few legitimate candidates. I'm open to suggestions, and highly encourage strategic discussion.

[/Chief Rum]

As far as your observations, i dont think an attack in the brig is bad since if they succeed then they have another who wont tell anyone...im not goint to disagree with your comments on me, except that they are pretty straight forward black and white...penny i dont know much about so ill abstain comments...

Unvote Blade
Vote Fouts

After being serious for a second he pushed as hard as i did near the end, was one of the guys added to the second and third missions(the two failures), made some isanely idiotic comments post dubb killing, and the fact that he only came to dubbs aid when it was close seems super suspicious...but i felt the same on vince yesterday, so dont listen to me'

The only thing ill say in my defense since i do feel i partially deserve to die is the two canidates up on the block when i voted where penny and dubb...if i wanted to support dubb i would have pushed penny...i presented evidence on someone no one had even looked at, and after so many pieces seemed to conveniently fall into place i kept at it...review my posts, im not sure i ever said dubb was innocent, just that i didnt feel vince and his support staff were much more strongly then anything i felt for dubb...

[KWhit]

Do we go through water at night? I think we do, right? If so, it probably makes sense to start rationing it now (before 9am EDT).

[hoopsguy]

I don't think rationing the water is allowed until we reach a point where there is not enough for everyone. At that point I'm going to be looking for all kinds of feedback on how to go about this. I'm glad that I'll have the weekend to think on this, because up until now I have not devoted a whole lot of mental energy to this topic.

[KWhit]

I don't think rationing the water is allowed until we reach a point where there is not enough for everyone.
Oh yeah. I remember barkeep posting that now.

Darn.

[Barkeep49]

Last night Hoopsguy and Sndvls agree to split their shift watching the Water Plant. As they leave they are shocked to find on the ground King surrounded by a puddle of blood. While neither of them are a doctor it is clear that he is dead. Upset at the loss of their commander, they never-the-less, go through the shredded remains of the body. Nothing there. King was a good man they think, and more importantly he was A SURVIVOR!. It is with a heavy heart that Lathum realizes that his time in training is over and he is now the Security Chief.

It seems as though the area around the water plant was a popular area, as the two had noticed Fouts as they started their shift. Passacagalia was similarly noted hanging near the Crews Quarters. Meanwhile Schmidty spent the night standing outside of KWhit's room.

Ship’s Status

Room Reports
Engineering – Fully Operational
Water Plant – Fully Operational
Water Supply – 6.25 units (Enough for just over one day with the current crew size)
Security Headquarters Fully Operational
Brig – Empty
Weapons Locker – 7 phasers

Crew Status

Command Staff
Captain - ardent enthusiast
First Officer - KWhit
Second Officer - RealDeal
Security Chief - Lathum

Engineers
Saldana
Mr.Wednesday
MrBug708
jeff061
Bek

Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince
Nurse - Raiders Army COMA

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - sndlvs EXHAUSTED
Warden - Blade6119
Galley Master - hoopsguy EXHAUSTED
Security Crewman - Fouts EXHAUSTED
Security Crewman - Schmidty EXHAUSTED
Security Crewman - PassacagliaEXHAUSTED

Privates
pennywisesb

Deceased
Marc Vaughan Executed Day 2 (Spawn)
Dubb93 Executed Day 3 (Hive Mind)
Kingfc22 Killed Night 3 (Survivor)

[Passacaglia]

Busy night.

[saldana]

well it took 3 days for the first of us to die, so thats a pretty good start...i would suggest the good doctor to examine our new security chief, since he has been pretty silent up to this point.

barkeep, did the water generators create any additional supply?

[Raiders Army]

(can somebody get me a glass of H2O?)

[Barkeep49]

barkeep, did the water generators create any additional supply?

Yes. It has been reflected in the water supply.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, before anyone asks, I'll explain why I was exhausted. I spied on saldana -- he didn't do anything last night.

[Passacaglia]

I had it narrowed down to 3 people I wanted to spy on: Blade, Fouts, and saldana. Blade, because he was the one who tried to turn the tables on Vince, despite overwhelming evidence that he was clean. Fouts, because he was the target of Blade's vote for today, kind of the flip side of the coin. Saldana....I dunno, that guy just bugs me! Seriously, though, I just thought some of the things he said sound weird.

Anyway, saldana didn't do anything last night. If there were no attack, I would say that he's still a suspect. But since there was an attack, and saldana wasn't involved in it, I think he gets a pass.

[Passacaglia]

And now, I have to embark on a 4-hour drive with my future brother-in-law in 5 minutes. Ugh. I should be back around 3 PM eastern.

[Poli]

I've suspected jeff061, but it's probably nothing more than a bad vibe.

[Passacaglia]

My thoughts:

Captain - ardent enthusiast -- Probably clean.
First Officer - KWhit -- Probably clean.
Second Officer - RealDeal -- Definitely clean.
Security Chief - Lathum -- No idea.

Engineers
Saldana -- Definitely clean.
Mr.Wednesday -- Definitely clean.
MrBug708 -- No idea.
jeff061 -- No idea.
Bek -- No idea.

Medical Staff
Doctor - Vince -- Definitely clean.
Nurse - Raiders Army COMA

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - sndlvs EXHAUSTED -- No idea.
Warden - Blade6119 -- Fishy.
Galley Master - hoopsguy EXHAUSTED -- No idea.
Security Crewman - Fouts EXHAUSTED -- No idea.
Security Crewman - Schmidty EXHAUSTED -- No idea.
Security Crewman - PassacagliaEXHAUSTED -- Clean.

Privates
pennywisesb -- Probably clean.

Deceased
Marc Vaughan Executed Day 2 (Spawn)
Dubb93 Executed Day 3 (Hive Mind)
Kingfc22 Killed Night 3 (Survivor)

[saldana]

thanks for the pass, Pass :)...i have said from the beginning i am nothing but a simple engineer, i was sleeping last night.

[jeff061]

I've suspected jeff061, but it's probably nothing more than a bad vibe.

If need be I'll out myself and my role. But I'd prefer to remain a mystery.

[Passacaglia]

If need by I'll out myself and my role. But I'd prefer to remain a mystery.

You can't just tell us you have a secret role and then expect us NOT to want to know! :p

[jeff061]

And I do agree Saldana is clean, for different observation based reasons.

[Passacaglia]

Looks like my trip has been pushed back a bit. I'll return here around 4 PM.

[hoopsguy]

I got my first PM last night. I decided to stand guard on the water last night, as this felt like a high-priority item with the relative success we've had catching spawn. Plus we have limited incoming water at this point so the idea of the spawn diminishing our supply seems like a big risk. I guess I was willing to trade my life for the water if it came down to it. The downside here is that all of the security personnel are also exhausted at this point. I was hoping that some of them would be fresh today so I could feel like we had a better chance of defending. I'm not sure if I should continue guarding again tonight or catch a rest and be refreshed for upcoming evenings. I'm certainly willing to take any input on this topic today if people have strong thoughts.

During my shift I did see someone (unidentified, of course) lurking. Apparently I scared them off. I was not attacked (at least not to the best of my knowledge) during this process.

I'm bummed we lost a survivor last night. I'm also concerned that King ended up stocking the brig with multiple spawn to attack Vince. That is a huge concern, as it was either very unlucky or there are a LOT of spawn. Not sure which.

[Passacaglia]

There is only one spawn that's alive and not in a coma right now. That's my guess, anyway.

[hoopsguy]

I find it a little strange that the spawn would target King. It seemed like he would have been a suspicious figure today. So - why would they do this?

My initial thought is to ask who benefits from this. Lathum gets a promotion out of the deal. If we don't have better targets for scanning then I would put him on the list.

I think it makes sense to look at voting patterns from the last two days and see what we can come up with. Since the Hive was able to share with the other members of the council that Marc was a spawn there are good reasons to suspect people who did not vote for Marc or Dubb. Although I'm not 100% convinced that we did not have two spawn on the block with Schmidty and Marc on Day 2. So if I'm looking for a tie-breaker between candidates I would put more weight on the Day 3 vote than Day 2 because I'm quite certain that Vince has been non-spawn up through yesterday.

[Passacaglia]

That's a good point about Schmidty. We were all gung-ho about him being a spawn, but I think back then, we didn't have much to go on.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, if that is the case (only one alive that is not in a coma) then that would mean there were only three spawn around at the end of day 2 out of twenty members of the crew. And that King put two of them in the Brig with the doc.

If the attack was coordinated, instead of two separate attacks, then that would suggest that the spawn could communicate. The alternative, I guess, would be that the mind could give a conditional order that he would join an attack if the other spawn (who he knows, but that other spawn doesn't know him unless he is on the council) attacked.

This analysis assumes that there were two, and not three, spawn attacking Vince. Vince, from his account, wasn't sure if it was two or three.

Bottom line, I'm less than convinced that there is only one spawn left that isn't in a coma/recovery/whatever. I would be ecstatic if this is the case but I'm thinking there are more.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, you're probably right, hoops. It was probably just wishful thinking on my part. I guess I was thinking that starting with 4 spawn on Day 1 seemed like a good number. But, then again, we've had several chances for infections.

[hoopsguy]

I was never gung-ho about Schmidty as spawn, even though I voted for him. I just wasn't wild about the logic behind Marc as spawn, coupled with an emerging bandwagon. But I wasn't thrilled with a second bandwagon emerging on Schmidty either. I was incredibly relieved when AE's vote nailed a spawn that day.

All that said, I have no good impression one way or the other with Schmidty. I'm just saying that I think he is less in the clear than Vince (through yesterday night fall) so I'm likely to give more credence to the Day 3 votes than the Day 2 votes if everything else is equal in my eyes.

[Passacaglia]

So we have to look at combos of two or more. Didn't Blade put Vince in the brig with dubb, RA, and pennywise? Maybe it was all a setup, and both Blade and penny are spawn? Their plan could have been to kill the doctor, at the expense of losing one spawn.

[jeff061]

King put them in the Brigg, not Blade. Else I would defintly be looking very strongly at Blade.

[Passacaglia]

And, I gotta say, Blade is fishy. The self-defeatist attitude is reminiscent of the Hive Mind, dubb's actions. To boot, he threw an accusation at Fouts because of his "idiotic" comments, which weren't THAT idiotic -- I could see the possiblity of only three spawn, and they could have been very unlucky. Also, I don't see why that should mean he's spawn.

[Passacaglia]

King put them in the Brigg, not Blade. Else I would defintly be looking very strongly at Blade.

I thought king put the current batch of guys in the brig, AE, KWhit, et al.

[jeff061]

Yeah, Blade can do that, but King had authority over him and ordered him to put Dubb, penny, RA and Vince in the brig.

summary of that action:
Warden - Blade6119 (ordered by King to put Vince, RA, dubb and pennywise in brig on Night 2)

[RealDeal]

I was the first person to mention the suspicion of king stacking the brig, but on the other hand, the two spawn he put in their were the scientist and the nurse. It's entirely possible he amde an innocent mistake, simply putting those three key roles in the brig, not knowing that two of them were spawn.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

My two suggestions:

1. If anyone is a vigilante, or if we don't know who to vote for one night, I think we should kill RA. I don't think there's anyway barkeep will let him out of his coma, so we get no use of him and he drinks our water.

2. Tops on my list now is Fouts and Schmidty, but I'm going to do some analysis first.

3. I believe that the new security officer should continue putting the same 4 of us in the brig from now on. If we do that, Vince will be safe and can continue scanning. If Lathum tries to put different combos of people into the brig with Vince who are not confirmed as clean, that would be HIGHLY suspicious to me.

[jeff061]

Well since he's dead now and he is a survivor I'd say he just had very bad luck in his choice that day.

[Passacaglia]

I don't think we kill RA. He's been cured and is now a survivor.

Yeah, Blade can do that, but King had authority over him and ordered him to put Dubb, penny, RA and Vince in the brig.

Yeah, you were right. I knew king had authority to do it, I just thought he used that authority on a different day.

[Passacaglia]

I hear Fouts's name batted around a lot of times. Can someone explain why?

[hoopsguy]

Fouts was mentioned a little bit during the Marc Vaughn vote because he was exhausted. We didn't have much to go on there. Ultimately Schmidty and Marc got the votes, although I'm not sure there was a distinction between going with Schmidty and Fouts. But once Schmidty got a couple of votes Fouts got lost in the shuffle.

Fouts came up yesterday because he came into the conversation late and defended Dubb while casting doubt at Vince.

Fouts has done a pretty good job as a bad guy in previous werewolf games, for whatever that is worth.

Am I missing anything here?

[pennywisesb]

I find it a little strange that the spawn would target King. It seemed like he would have been a suspicious figure today. So - why would they do this?


Has anyone been able to come up with a good reason for the spawn targeting king? I would have thought there was a good chance he would have been highly suspicious today and by killing him they have now made us all look in a different direction.

[hoopsguy]

I know that when I was playing in hidden roles games that I would consider attacking a target that had been unknowingly supportive of the bad guys in order to create confusion. But in a game with public roles I am not sure that makes as much sense. In the hidden roles game we often had no idea what the relative value of targets held.

The only thing I can think of is that they wanted Lathum to assume the jailor role? But that seems a little transparent. I guess I'm saying that I'm scratching my head over this as well.

Perhaps we should take some time review the post-reveal content from King yesterday. I know that I didn't exchange all that much info with him yesterday as I was concerned he was spawn.

[saldana]

Has anyone been able to come up with a good reason for the spawn targeting king? I would have thought there was a good chance he would have been highly suspicious today and by killing him they have now made us all look in a different direction.


i would have said that his phaser was out of the game now, but i think lathum has it now if he is the new sec chief

[jeff061]

I think King would of been the one voted out today, throwing two spawn in with Vince is almost seemingly beyond coincidence, and he voted kind of erratically last night. I don't see the Spawn wasting an attack on him under these circumstances. Perhaps the vigilante made the kill?

[hoopsguy]

Just going through my PMs with King from yesterday - not many of them since he didn't PM me until around 6PM (CST) and I a total of about 30 minutes to catch up on the thread and chat with a guy I was suspicious of being a spawn (obviously wrong in hindsight).

He was suspicious of Schmidty and Fouts, moreso than me, from the failed water mission. Was suspicious of Vince because RA had cleared him and he knew he wasn't spawn. He also thought that one senior officer had to be a bad guy, so he went through a grid of trust/not trust. Said that he and AE had been cleared, trusted Kwhit and didn't have impressions on Lathum.

Not a lot of impressions to go on, but at least we know that was the thought process of a known survivor.

[hoopsguy]

Good thought there, Jeff. I know that I acted in a similar manner when using the Dart on Fouts in the Village of the Damned game. I thought there was a good chance he was a bad guy, but if he wasn't then we could cure him with another item and get his role. That didn't work out well since the item I was banking on was not in the game. In this case, the vigilante may have guessed wrong. But even in doing so he is saving us water and allowing us to focus on people today, rather than potentially having a runaway vote on an innocent villager that gives nothing in terms of voting patterns.

[KWhit]

Fouts was mentioned a little bit during the Marc Vaughn vote because he was exhausted. We didn't have much to go on there. Ultimately Schmidty and Marc got the votes, although I'm not sure there was a distinction between going with Schmidty and Fouts. But once Schmidty got a couple of votes Fouts got lost in the shuffle.

Fouts came up yesterday because he came into the conversation late and defended Dubb while casting doubt at Vince.

Fouts has done a pretty good job as a bad guy in previous werewolf games, for whatever that is worth.

Am I missing anything here?
It seems like there was some other reason why we thought Fouts was spawn-ish. But I can't remember what it was. Anyone? I'll try to dig through some posts later, but I don't have time to do it now.

[jeff061]

I had kind of glazed over Fouts since he cleared me early on. Very noobish of me.

[KWhit]

Last night Hoopsguy and Sndvls agree to split their shift watching the Water Plant. As they leave they are shocked to find on the ground King surrounded by a puddle of blood. While neither of them are a doctor it is clear that he is dead. Upset at the loss of their commander, they never-the-less, go through the shredded remains of the body. Nothing there. King was a good man they think, and more importantly he was A SURVIVOR!. It is with a heavy heart that Lathum realizes that his time in training is over and he is now the Security Chief.

It seems as though the area around the water plant was a popular area, as the two had noticed Fouts as they started their shift. Passacagalia was similarly noted hanging near the Crews Quarters. Meanwhile Schmidty spent the night standing outside of KWhit's room.


What does the "Hoopsguy and sndvls split their shift" part of this mean? And how is that different than what Fouts was doing?

The wording of this makes it seem that hoopsguy and sndvls guard the water supply, but Fouts did something else.

Hoops and sndvls: Did you guys PM something different to Barkeep other than guard the water supply? I'm trying to understand the "splitting the shift" thing.

[SnDvls]

I have big questions RE: Fouts. While hoops and I guarded he did nothing, but was exhausted? What gives?

[KWhit]

I have big questions RE: Fouts. While hoops and I guarded he did nothing, but was exhausted? What gives?Can you answer my question from the post above?

[SnDvls]

What does the "Hoopsguy and sndvls split their shift" part of this mean? And how is that different than what Fouts was doing?

The wording of this makes it seem that hoopsguy and sndvls guard the water supply, but Fouts did something else.

Hoops and sndvls: Did you guys PM something different to Barkeep other than guard the water supply? I'm trying to understand the "splitting the shift" thing.


didn't say anything different, I guess because we were both guarding it last night and both say do it again tonight Barkeep decided to "split" the time.

Again don't know what Fouts was doing? Seems strange to me to just wander around.

[SnDvls]

Can you answer my question from the post above?

just did

[jeff061]

Could of been spying on someone, right?

[SnDvls]

Could of been spying on someone, right?


I was hoping someone wouldn't give him his "out" but yes I thought of that.

[jeff061]

I don't think it's a secret, he's already used that "out" in this game.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, I sent in my night action to guard last night. I had no knowledge of what anyone else would be doing. The "split the shift" aspect of this, as far as I can determine, is a function of Barkeep rather than anything that I requested.

[KWhit]

KWhit, I sent in my night action to guard last night. I had no knowledge of what anyone else would be doing. The "split the shift" aspect of this, as far as I can determine, is a function of Barkeep rather than anything that I requested.
Okay. That's what I figured. Just wanted to make sure.

[hoopsguy]

Perhaps the "split the time" is a construct to represent the confrontation with the spawn. If SnDvls did not encounter a spawn then perhaps I should be checked even though my understanding is that I scared it off without anything resembling a confrontation?

Edited to make more readable.

[hoopsguy]

I'm pretty concerned about being a target at this point in the game. Since I have a fairly significant role in rationing water and our supply is now set, I'm pretty concerned about being a subject of attack going forward.

Going to review the rules to see what the chain of command is for water decisions.

[hoopsguy]

Upon further review, it looks like the Captain, 1st, and 2nd can all order me as far as water goes. So they all remain, as far as I can determine, better candidates for attack.

Wait a minute - the Queen can't spawn any more now that we have lifted off. I'm wasting cycles worrying on this topic, as well as worrying about a conversion last night.

[Barkeep49]

The split shift was just an excuse for why only one person was involved with the attack and Fouts was indeed spying (as are all people who are just standing around at night).

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- If there is no galleymaster, or the galleymaster does not send in a list for water distribution, water is given out randomly.

[RealDeal]

I've gone through the whole thread. The thing that really pops out to me as strange is the Marc Vaughn vote. Both RA and Dubb voted for Marc. Considering how close that vote was, its pretty strange. RA voted first for Jeff and then for Marc after Jeff asked him to vote for Schmidty to make a close vote.

It would have made sense for the Spawn to protect Schmidty like that if he was the Queen. The Queen can be replaced, but the Spawn would have to forego a night of actions to replace the Queen. Remember, we were still on the ground at that time, so the Queen was more valuable at that point.

In the dubb vote, Schmidty played his cards pretty deftly. He tried to route the voting toward Penny or Vince and was fairly resistant to dubb until it was clear that dubb would be lynched. Then he jumped on the Dubb train. Post 826 by Schmidty, when the outcome was still in doubt, is very strange. It wasn't "obvious" that either penny or vince were the spawn. Why wouldn't Dubb be a choice there, too?

Schmidty and Fouts are the top two candidates to me. Blade's actions last vote were fruity, but with Blade I just don't know. He can be bold and clever some games, but he's had some games where's he's been bold and way the hell out in left field, too.

My best guess right now is that Schmidty's our man.

Vote Schmidty

[SnDvls]

The split shift was just an excuse for why only one person was involved with the attack and Fouts was indeed spying (as are all people who are just standing around at night).


that seems to clear fouts too then in what he was doing.

[SnDvls]

dola -

clears fouts in what he was doing....NOT if he is spawn or not.

I don't know either way, but don't want anyone to read into it wrong.