WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over!

[DaddyTorgo]

i should have a quick dinner coming up but be around till deadline...my vote is still out there...i'm really not enamored of being on the lerriuqs bandwagon - i feel like if we've got a bandwagon we've got a villager.

[dubb93]

Ouch, is this still almost always a wolf move?

Serious question, I don't think I've seen this since my very extended break and back then it was almost always a wolf move.

[lerriuqs]

Ouch, is this still almost always a wolf move?

If it is, it won't be this time. Of that I can promise.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2252

1 - Telle - Poli (1981)
7 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2- hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)

Yet to Vote - DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, and Telle

[Poli]

Looks like a runaway vote now. Sigh.

[Passacaglia]

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?

Okay dude, NOW it's lecture time. Throughout the course of playing werewolf, people are going to vote to remove you from the game. A lot of people. And it may be frustrating to you for whatever reason. But you just have to deal with it instead of resorting to things like this.




I think the problem is that people get frustrated with the ones that are the most suspicious of them, and think that in order to stay alive, they need to convince those most suspicious of them that they're good -- and when faced with this Herculean feat, they buckle. However, this is not the way to stay alive -- the way to stay alive is to convince the people who aren't on you, or maybe on the fence about you, to vote for someone ELSE.

[Poli]

Hello. Is this thing on?

[Poli]

Should I bother in even trying to make this close?

[Passacaglia]

Serious question, I don't think I've seen this since my very extended break and back then it was almost always a wolf move.

I've really never bothered trying to figure it out, because I get too filled with rage whenever it happens to care.

[Poli]

I suppose lerriuqs and I would make it somewhat closer.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[DaddyTorgo]

more often than not i think it's a frustrated villager play actually

if you're a wolf you'll tend to reveal and say "yeah i'm a wolf you got me" in order to give your fellow wolves cover on the bandwagon onto you.

[DaddyTorgo]

or at least that's what i'd do

[Poli]

28 Days Later Rage or just old fashioned rage?

[dubb93]

more often than not i think it's a frustrated villager play actually

if you're a wolf you'll tend to reveal and say "yeah i'm a wolf you got me" in order to give your fellow wolves cover on the bandwagon onto you.

So you are saying if less than half the remaining players were voting for you AND at that point you were only down by 3 AND there were still 5 votes still to come you would reveal as a wolf if you were a wolf?

[dubb93]

I'm not following that line of thought at all.

[Poli]

Well, I'm about to get ready for my "big night". I'll check back in before I head out.

[Lathum]

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?

this isn't going to win you any fans around here.

I realize being on the block is frusterating, but c'mon, you have 6 posts in the game. At least try and provide an alternate candidate and sound reasoning why.

[claphamsa]

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?
boo

[Lathum]

thanks for thinking i am not as stupid as i seem Hoops :D

i actually do have a thought....not saying i firmly believe it, but it is a thought worth throwing out there.

there was a lot of disbelief on day 2 regarding EF because he was criticized on N1...people didnt think that the wolves would waste their criticism on one of there own...EF of course turned up wolf.

now it is N3, and they have another shot to criticize someone. seeing how many people didnt think they would do it the first time, would it not be an interesting ploy to criticize one of their own again as a means of buying trust?

half of us didnt think they would waste it once...how many of us wont think they will waste it twice?

again, not saying i am even sold on my own idea, but it is food for thought.

lets look at what he actually did.

he shot a vote out at 20 minutes into the day and used a very nebulous defense about why. he could easily have been taking advantage of the "no information about your role" mechanic as a means of a cover.

he backpedaled away from his own vote the entire day, saying he would like the other vote for EF better...i wish i had more time to go back and check the timings of his various statements...was he covering his tail by agreeing with the EF votes after they already started to gain some momentum?

he claims that the outcome of the day was advantagous to not only him, but the village as a whole, but we have yet to see anything to validate that point

on day 2, i said i detected the manipulations of a very good wolf...my initial thoughts were it was Hoops (which it still may be), but my short list included Lathum, Barkeep, and Poli. of those, barkeep is obviously out, but I think you will agree that this strategy is well within Lathums vaunted wolfy skillset.

as to why would he be so daring on day 2...he knows he needs to make a move to get in the COT early...he will get heat for being alive too long (which has now started)...he needed to make a play fast in order to give himself cover when that heat starts to come down

also, look at the payoff if it worked...PB would be dead, EF would be semi-trusted because he had been criticized, and Lathum would have been able to plead some cock'n bull story about having to vote that way because of his role, which would have been completely impossible to confirm. (which is actually what he is doing right now)

there is a cunning wolf in this game, isnt there?

you know damn well your mere existence invites a seer scan! (look, and exclamation point:p )

and you had been preparing your defense for PB's death the entire day...you could easily have gotten out of it, and dont pretend you dont think you couldnt...you have gotten out of way worse.

but getting scanned by the seer doesnt do you any good against the lynch unless the seer comes to your defense!

a public display that gets you on the trust lists is 10 times better than a seer scan because it is just that. Public.

has anyone voted for you on day 3 or 4 (yet)

exaggerate much...i was in the thread for an hour during my lunch, and popped back for 10 minutes...you have a strange definition of all day

go "lathum" all over someone else, because your crap really isnt going to work the same way on me

looks like alot of posts directed at me IMO

[claphamsa]

ive been coming up with awesome coments to the lathum saldana thing allll day, but I just cant bring myself to say any of them. i mean lathums a dick, but i kinda like him.....

[Lathum]

ive been coming up with awesome coments to the lathum saldana thing allll day, but I just cant bring myself to say any of them. i mean lathums a dick, but i kinda like him.....

I resent that comment.

Anyone who has meet me will tell you I am a helluva nice guy.

[Danny]

I think Clap confused the word is and has

[Passacaglia]

or wants? zing!!

[Autumn]

I really, really don't like the pile-on on Lerriuqs. I don't think all three of my suspects are a wolf, and the fact taht everyone is glad to vote him makes me think I have the wrong one. Those of us who are working from a similar suspect list, I say we switch to Telle instead.

<b>UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE TELLE</b>

A runaway when we have still 4-5 wolves in this size group makes me very worried.

[Chief Rum]

I toss this out fully acknowledging that I have not read anything but the last few posts. I just don't have time right now, in between jobs. So take it for what it's worth.

All that said, lerriuqs, the apparent favorite, was never high on my wolf list.

My distrust circle runs as saldana, Telle, The Jackal and claphamsa.

If a seer came out and cleared any of them, I apologize because I don't have the time to go looking right now.

So since lerriuqs is not on my list and I don't know the real reason for him being the target today, I am going to throw a vote at one of my suspects instead (and if that hangs me later, so be it).

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

I might have stuck with saldana, my Friday favorite, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I don't know that he would fight Lathum so hard if he were a wolf.

Clap's my choice because of his voting record on votes we know about (Days One and Two).

Rest assured, if it was not a runaway, my vote would be on one of the top candidates. I don't really see the need to go with that today, as it seems unlikely to be needed.

[Autumn]

Chief, if Telle is really one of your top suspects I'd rather you concentrate on her. We could make her a contender in the time left, i think, based on the amount of people with her on the suspect list.

I'd much prefer a Telle Lerriuqs run off, I think this could show us something.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - the runaway makes me think we have the wrong person in lerriuqs honestly...hmmm

[lerriuqs]

Just let me die in peace guys...

[DaddyTorgo]

in the hopes that that runoff would tell us something

VOTE TELLE

[Autumn]

Also a possibility, in this game, that Lerriuqs role somehow requires or encourages this martyr act. Something to keep in mind.

[Lathum]

If I had a vote today it would be for Saldana. His poor vote record and the way he is trying to set me up as a lynch candidate down the road scream wolf to me.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2282

3 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280)
6 - Lerriuqs - hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)
1 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276)

Yet to Vote - PackerFanatic and Telle

[Autumn]

Those of you on non-contenders, now would be a good time to pony up.

[lerriuqs]

Also a possibility, in this game, that Lerriuqs role somehow requires or encourages this martyr act. Something to keep in mind.

Hmm...

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE TELLE

I really can't see anything that indites Lerriuqs, and Telle has been most suspicious recently.

[Autumn]

Let me take a guess...

The Martyr

Your low self-esteem makes you think that you are a better lynch candidate than anyone. If you are the lead vote getter you are required to vote for yourself. Better you than them.

Man, I could write this game.

[lerriuqs]

Let me take a guess...

The Martyr

Your low self-esteem makes you think that you are a better lynch candidate than anyone. If you are the lead vote getter you are required to vote for yourself. Better you than them.

Man, I could write this game.

I wouldn't be able to tell you if you were right...;)

[Autumn]

And I'd probably get in trouble for revealing your role if I made one up too close to yours ;-)

FWIW, I don't necessarily believe Lerriuqs here, but I'm guessing Telle's a better target given the lack of controversy over Lerriuq votes.

I've got to get the kids to bed.

[hoopsguy]

Well, we've already had a shy guy so that isn't your role :) Seriously, Lerriuqs, make a case for someone. If nothing else, it helps build character for next game.

And, in case you were paying attention, the vote is pretty close right about now.

[hoopsguy]

Tell you what, I'll make it even more interesting.

UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE CLAP

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2291

4 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280), PackerFanatic (2286)
5 - Lerriuqs - saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)
2 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276), Hoopaguy (2291)

Yet to Vote - Telle

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #2291:

4 Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), MT (2280), PF (2286)
5 Lerriuqs - Saldana (2160), Abe (2189), Jackal (2229), MartinD (2238), Lerri (2248)
1 Pass - Clap (2087)
2 Hoops - Dubb (2184), Pass (2190)
2 Clap - Chief (2276), Hoops (2291)

No votes - Telle

1981 - Poli votes Telle 1-0
2021 - Autumn votes Lerriuqs 1-1 Telle/Lerri
2036 - MT votes Hoops 1-1-1 Telle/Lerri/Hoops
2051 - MT unvotes Hoops 1-1 Telle/Lerri
2057 - Hoops votes Lerri 2-1 Lerri over Telle
2087 - Clap votes Pass 2-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass
2160 - Saldana votes Lerri 3-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass
2184 - Dubb votes Hoops 3-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops
2189 - Abe votes Lerri 4-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops
2190 - Pass votes Hoops 4-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2228 - Lerri votes Hoops 4-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2229 - Jackal votes Lerri 5-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2238 - MartinD votes Lerri 6-3-1-1- Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2248 - Lerri unvotes Hoops, votes Lerri 7-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2275 - Autumn unvotes Lerri, votes Telle 6-2-2-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass
2276 - Chief votes Clap 6-2-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass/Clap
2280 - MT votes Telle 6-3-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap
2286 - PF votes Telle 6-4-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap
2291 - Hoops unvotes Lerri, votes Clap 5-4-2-2-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops/Clap over Pass

[dubb93]

Unvote Hoops
Vote Telle

I'll make it really interesting.

[hoopsguy]

Warning to Lerriuqs - I'm not necessarily leaving my vote there, but I'll at least give you a chance to start either building a case for yourself or against someone else.

I've maintained for awhile - based solely on gut, not inside information, that I do not think that Telle represented the best choice despite her voting record. That is almost exclusively off Day 1 and nothing since that time. So I'm willing to move the vote to try and create another alternate to Lerriuqs but I'm not all fired up about it being Telle.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm - i'll be around till deadline but then right after deadline it's back to computer stuff and i'm not sure how long i'll be gone

[lerriuqs]

Warning to Lerriuqs - I'm not necessarily leaving my vote there, but I'll at least give you a chance to start either building a case for yourself or against someone else.

I've maintained for awhile - based solely on gut, not inside information, that I do not think that Telle represented the best choice despite her voting record. That is almost exclusively off Day 1 and nothing since that time. So I'm willing to move the vote to try and create another alternate to Lerriuqs but I'm not all fired up about it being Telle.

Well I have no case to build for myself other than what I've already posted in this thread.

As for anyone else. If I live through the day, I'll look to build a case. But I'm ok with whatever happens. I won't be building a case on anyone today and I won't say why.

[Telle]

Wow, nice deadline run on me.

VOTE LERRIUQS

[Abe Sargent]

VOTE TELLE

I really can't see anything that indites Lerriuqs, and Telle has been most suspicious recently.

How so?

[Danny]

10 minutes until deadline

[Telle]

I think similar logic that moved the votes off of Lerriuqs could be used for me as well. Doesn't look like anybody's trying to save me.. rather the opposite in fact.

I could get behind a clap vote. I tossed his name out as suspect earlier today.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2300

5 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280), PackerFanatic (2286), Dubb (2294)
6 - Lerriuqs - saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248), Telle (2298)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
1 - hoopsguy - Passacaglia (2190)
2 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276), Hoopaguy (2291)

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY
VOTE LERRIUQS

Guess if I have to choose, I'll go lerriuqs.

[Passacaglia]

Keep in mind guys, if lerriuqs votes Telle, we have a tie.

[Lathum]

why hasn't he moved off himself?

[DaddyTorgo]

not a fan of a tie...considering switching

[Telle]

He's not even in the thread.

[DaddyTorgo]

idk - you think he's waiting to snipe it into a tie?

[Autumn]

Well, this will be interesting. If Lerriuqs dies of self vote I think we can be pretty clear that's not a wolf move. Though I suppose maybe he's the brutal and Telle's a wolf too, that's the only way that makes sense to me. Either way I can't see shuffling my vote anymore, we'll see which way it turns out and who falls where.

[Passacaglia]

Maybe because the longer he doesn't, the more likely people are to not realize the situation.

[Passacaglia]

DT, I'd suggest switching. But then again, I'm on lerriuqs.

[DaddyTorgo]

i could pull off telle

[Autumn]

I've got to run, I'll be back after deadline to see how the chips fall.

[DaddyTorgo]

is that post going to get me in trouble with render?

[Passacaglia]

Well, this will be interesting. If Lerriuqs dies of self vote I think we can be pretty clear that's not a wolf move. Though I suppose maybe he's the brutal and Telle's a wolf too, that's the only way that makes sense to me. Either way I can't see shuffling my vote anymore, we'll see which way it turns out and who falls where.

I think lerriuqs voted himself before Telle became a viable option.

[Autumn]

Lerriuqs had no way of knowing it would get this close to a tie when he self-voted, so I don't imagine that's the ploy.

[DaddyTorgo]

but he could unvote - curious that he hasn't

[Autumn]

I think lerriuqs voted himself before Telle became a viable option.

Ah, well if that's the case then I can't see how this helps the wolves unless it's some really crazy role.

[Passacaglia]

but he could unvote - curious that he hasn't

That's a good point. I guess we just need to watch ourselves.

[lerriuqs]

What the hell...

UNVOTE Lerriuqs

VOTE Telle

[Passacaglia]

No wait DT, it's 7-5 squirrel now -- if you make it 8-4 squirrel, we're good for no ties.

[Telle]

Tie.

[Passacaglia]

DT, it's all you!

[dubb93]

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE LER

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE LERRIUQS

[dubb93]

No tie.

[Passacaglia]

Yes!!

[Lathum]

nice catch boys!

[Lathum]

unless Telle's a wolf that is

[hoopsguy]

Well, lost my connection for about 15 minutes and back to see - a tie?

[Abe Sargent]

Crazy

[DaddyTorgo]

now we'll see just what exactly was going on there

[Danny]

Deadline

[dubb93]

unless Telle's a wolf that is

I have no idea, but I want it to be known that I didn't intend to vote Lerri until he pulled the deadline bullshit he just did.

[hoopsguy]

Or not - hope that those who were around (as I had planned to be) were able to make the best of it.

[Danny]

Final Vote Results

4 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), PackerFanatic (2286), Lerriuqs (2320)
7 - Lerriuqs - saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Telle (2298), Dubb (2324), DaddyTorgo (2325)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
1 - hoopsguy - Passacaglia (2190)
2 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276), Hoopaguy (2291)

[Lathum]

I have no idea, but I want it to be known that I didn't intend to vote Lerri until he pulled the deadline bullshit he just did.

I don't blame your move one bit and would have done the same thing.

[lerriuqs]

Okay dude, NOW it's lecture time. Throughout the course of playing werewolf, people are going to vote to remove you from the game. A lot of people. And it may be frustrating to you for whatever reason. But you just have to deal with it instead of resorting to things like this.




I think the problem is that people get frustrated with the ones that are the most suspicious of them, and think that in order to stay alive, they need to convince those most suspicious of them that they're good -- and when faced with this Herculean feat, they buckle. However, this is not the way to stay alive -- the way to stay alive is to convince the people who aren't on you, or maybe on the fence about you, to vote for someone ELSE.

this isn't going to win you any fans around here.

I realize being on the block is frusterating, but c'mon, you have 6 posts in the game. At least try and provide an alternate candidate and sound reasoning why.

No offense guys, but I didn't need the lectures from you either. I had a strategy...We'll see if it works out in the long run. I wasn't frustrated in the slightest at being on the chopping block and I wouldn't have done my vote the way I did without a reason...

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's something we won't necessarily find out until we sort out what's up with Lerri and potentially telle if Lerri shows up good

[DaddyTorgo]

No offense guys, but I didn't need the lectures from you either. I had a strategy...We'll see if it works out in the long run. I wasn't frustrated in the slightest at being on the chopping block and I wouldn't have done my vote the way I did without a reason...

fair enough - maybe he's the duke or something guys? we haven't seen a duke yet, right?

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm assuming danny is doing the writeup right now so i'm waiting

[Lathum]

No offense guys, but I didn't need the lectures from you either. I had a strategy...We'll see if it works out in the long run. I wasn't frustrated in the slightest at being on the chopping block and I wouldn't have done my vote the way I did without a reason...

you really need to stop being so sensitive and calling everything a lecture when really it isn't.

I can't speak for what Pass said but my comments was solely based on the game and the fact you have almost no posts. There was nothing about it even remotely close to a lecture so lighten up.

[Passacaglia]

No offense guys, but I didn't need the lectures from you either. I had a strategy...We'll see if it works out in the long run. I wasn't frustrated in the slightest at being on the chopping block and I wouldn't have done my vote the way I did without a reason...

None taken. And none meant by me, either - we just had a run for a while where we had people vote for themselves just because they were frustrated, and it was pretty annoying, IMO -- if you had some strategy, more power to you.

[lerriuqs]

you really need to stop being so sensitive and calling everything a lecture when really it isn't.

I can't speak for what Pass said but my comments was solely based on the game and the fact you have almost no posts. There was nothing about it even remotely close to a lecture so lighten up.

Who's being sensitive?? You're the one who assumed I was frustrated based on my vote.

[Danny]

So, who no longer needs therapy today? Is it Hoops? No! Is it Claphamsa? No! Is it Passacaglia? No!

Is it Telle! Yes!
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Her therapist bill is unpaid!

The phone suddenly the therapy room phone rings, her husband Render is at the office with cash!

Telle is saved!

So, now who goes instead? Dubb point the finger at Lerriuqs and yell “I know Poli, so I know crazy and you sir, are not crazy!”

Lerriuqs does not fight the group and willing leaves the group without the need to be escorted out. As he leaves, he smiles and says “my friends are deeply troubled and I am glad that they remain while I leave.

Lerriuqs was the Sympathizer!

The Sympathizer - You secretly feel a lot of sympathy for the needies and their desire to remain in therapy and will win with them. Every night, you may scan to see if a player is a needy.

The night deadline is at 1am eastern time.

[Lathum]

I really hope there wasn't a role built into the game that required someone to self-vote

[DaddyTorgo]

as long as you had strategy behind it - more power to you. think it was more that we're all still getting accustomed to your playing style so we just wanted to deter you from voting for yourself if it was just b/c you were frustrated

[DaddyTorgo]

sympathizer hmm? that's cool

i wonder if we can gleam anything from his votes and his strategy today?

perhaps trying to get a runaway going on himself in order to give the wolves a place to bury their votes?

[Lathum]

Who's being sensitive?? You're the one who assumed I was frustrated based on my vote.

you're being sensitive.

You assumed Saldana was lecturing you and you assumed I was as well.

And if you don't think self-voting doesn't reek of frustration you are a fool. If you had some other agenda that's fine, but don't get your panties in a bunch when you pull something that is looked at as a bitch move and people call you out for it.

[Abe Sargent]

Nt a bad resut

[Lathum]

I wonder if he scanned Telle as a wolf and was trying to save her?

[Abe Sargent]

Who does the self vote implicate? Did we have wolf as ne of those with a lot of votes?

[Danny]

Out of curiosity guys, how you set a link to a specific post within a thread as opposed to the page that it's on?

[Telle]

I wonder if he scanned Telle as a wolf and was trying to save her?

I'm 100% certain he didn't :)

But fact wise.. he self-voted long before the run on me. I'm not sure but I think at that point hoops was the second contender. And then he voted me right at deadline, producing a tie which we don't know how it would settle out. Doesn't sound much like trying to save me.

[Lathum]

click on the post number then cut and paste the link

[Danny]

But will that link to the post within the page or just to the post by itself? I want it to go the page and then adjust the browser to the post.

[Lathum]

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Group Therapy - Day 4 Deadline Monday 8pm Eastern (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2026262&postcount=2356)

[Danny]

Thanks, but that's not what I am trying to do :)

[Lathum]

Then I cant help you

[claphamsa]

wow. wierd

[Passacaglia]

Won't quoting the post do that?

[dubb93]

Lerri was up to something. What he was up to I don't know. Sometime tomarrow I'll go through the posts for today and see if I can figure out what he was trying to do by self voting.

[claphamsa]

im guessing he had a legit stratgy,... wheather or not it will make sense in a week when the game is over.... well see :)

[Danny]

Won't quoting the post do that?

It's for page 1 of the thread, 3rd post.

[Danny]

Ok figured it out

[claphamsa]

u figured out that EF wasnt the only wolf? good plan

[Passacaglia]

Group Therapy - Night 4 Deadline Tuesday 1am Eastern - Page 48 - Front Office Football Central (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2026262&postcount=2356)

[Passacaglia]

I took lathum's link, but changed 'showpost' to 'showthread'

[Passacaglia]

And why did I do that, if Danny figured it out? Good question.

[Passacaglia]

I wonder if he scanned Telle as a wolf and was trying to save her?

I was thinking this, too -- then thinking that's what he wanted us to think. Maybe he simply thought that dying would help the wolves, since he was a villager, so he might as well? Also, Telle's right that the run on her started after he voted himself.

hoops, I have another q for you -- where am I on your trust list currently?

[Danny]

And why did I do that, if Danny figured it out? Good question.

Because you care :)

[Lathum]

I was thinking this, too -- then thinking that's what he wanted us to think. Maybe he simply thought that dying would help the wolves, since he was a villager, so he might as well? Also, Telle's right that the run on her started after he voted himself.

hoops, I have another q for you -- where am I on your trust list currently?

Well here is the thing and I think it is pretty damning for Telle. Why not vote her to try and save himself earlier?

At best he kills a villager and at worst he goes anyway?

I don't get the play.

[The Jackal]

Nice result, good to not have to worry about the sympathizer. The best thing about our lynches is even when we've hit villagers, they weren't exactly vital to us. We've got a seer with potentially 4 scans after tonight if they survive? That's gotta be some helpful info there.

[hoopsguy]

I was thinking this, too -- then thinking that's what he wanted us to think. Maybe he simply thought that dying would help the wolves, since he was a villager, so he might as well? Also, Telle's right that the run on her started after he voted himself.

hoops, I have another q for you -- where am I on your trust list currently?

At the moment, neutral to mild distrust. But I'm going to see if that changes after reviewing tonight's votes.

I don't think we learn much about the wolves from today since the wolves don't know the Sympathizer. So I think that Autumn's feeling that "it was too easy" to build a consensus on Lerri was exactly right.

[The Jackal]

I really don't know what to think of Telle at this point.

[The Jackal]

So Lathum, when the hell is your "ability" going to help us? Because the longer nothing happens, the more suspect you look.

[The Jackal]

Do we have lerriuqs voting history handy? Obviously day one is irrelevant, but by day 2 or 3 he could've learned something.

[The Jackal]

I suppose these questions can be answered after the night deadline is processed, not trying to throw info out for wolves, simply just got back and throwing some thoughts out.

[Poli]

Will someone please listen to me and help me get out Telle?

[Poli]

At least we got rid of the sympathizer, though I have no earthly idea what to think of what "licorice" was doing.

[Poli]

Speaking of "earthly". I highly recommend watching Star Trek, even if you're watching it on your birthday alone.

[The Jackal]

Speaking of "earthly". I highly recommend watching Star Trek, even if you're watching it on your birthday alone.

I watched it with my dad on his birthday, and I concur. Great movie.

[Autumn]

Lerriuqs counts as a wolf for win conditions, so why self-vote and risk himself? Surely he's a better loss than a real wolf, from his standpoint, but not a good loss overall. Clearly if he thought he was running against a wolf, but at the time he self-voted I think he was the clear vote getter. Perhaps he hoped it would be a sympathy ploy, or that we would buy the idea that he had a weird role, which I obviously was wondering?

Obviously at the end he was keen to maybe tie things up, but it did seem to me he was willing to risk Telle getting the ax. Let's put up a detailed voting history here.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'll listen to you tomorrow poli. nuff said

[Danny]

The sympathizer counts as a group member for win conditions.

[Autumn]

Votes as of post #2243

1 - Telle - Poli (1981)
6 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
3 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190), Lerriuqs (2229)

Yet to Vote - DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, and Telle

This was the vote when Lerriuqs self-voted.

[Autumn]

The sympathizer counts as a group member for win conditions.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking that then convinced myself otherwise. That makes more sense then.

[Lathum]

So Lathum, when the hell is your "ability" going to help us? Because the longer nothing happens, the more suspect you look.

like your one to talk.

Is this your way of probing for information so you can determine if you wanna kill me tonight?

I really don't like this question and I like it less in between phases.

You ever think it's part of my role and I can't say more about it?

[Lathum]

Speaking of "earthly". I highly recommend watching Star Trek, even if you're watching it on your birthday alone.

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[The Jackal]

like your one to talk.

Is this your way of probing for information so you can determine if you wanna kill me tonight?

I really don't like this question and I like it less in between phases.

You ever think it's part of my role and I can't say more about it?

No? I was just asking a question. I know my votes on PB don't look good, but I was just asking.. I haven't voted for you or come close yet, but the longer nothing happens the more likely it was that you were lying. I still think you're probably telling the truth and are a group member, but I wouldn't put it past you to make up a role to gain trust early.

No need to get offended..

[The Jackal]

And I even said you don't need to answer until after the NK, wtf.

[The Jackal]

Looking back on this game I guess I made mistakes voting for PB, and I should've trusted my gut since I never thought he was bad, but I'm a group member through and through and I want to makeup for the PB voting with finding wolves.

[The Jackal]

I suppose saying "when the hell" came off as hostile, didn't mean it to.

[Lathum]

Stop editing your posts Jackal, you should know better.

[The Jackal]

Stop editing your posts Jackal, you should know better.

Huh?

[Danny]

I don't see any edits

[Lathum]

Huh?

don't act like you don't know, what did you change it back already?

What a wolf move.

[The Jackal]

don't act like you don't know, what did you change it back already?

What a wolf move.

dude what the hell are you talking about

[Lathum]

I don't see any edits

yeah, because he had BK change it back and unedit it. Those wolves always stick together.

[The Jackal]

yeah, because he had BK change it back and unedit it. Those wolves always stick together.

i resent that implication, i don't care if you're joking

[Lathum]

i resent that implication, i don't care if you're joking

WTH?

Was that to hostile.

is unediting even possible?

[Lathum]

i kid i kid,

Just a little role playing.

Please don't kill me tonight.K.Thx.

[The Jackal]

i don't appreciate being accused of cheating, that's all

[The Jackal]

i mean obviously you were joking since you said "those wolves" and used BK whose role we know, but still

[The Jackal]

if you want to roleplay try something like..

hey lathum stop humping that radiator, as much as you think it's hoops it's just going to leave you with deep burns.

[The Jackal]

Damn. I should've used saldana. -Now- I want to edit.

[Lathum]

no offense meant.

Please don't kill me tonight, then you won't be able to see my neato ability.

[The Jackal]

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a wolf, so if you die, it wasn't by my hands.

[Lathum]

if you want to roleplay try something like..

hey lathum stop humping that radiator, as much as you think it's hoops it's just going to leave you with deep burns.

I resent the implication I would hump Hoops, now Clap on the other hand...

[hoopsguy]

if you want to roleplay try something like..

hey lathum stop humping that radiator, as much as you think it's hoops it's just going to leave you with deep burns.

Damn. I should've used saldana. -Now- I want to edit.

Now I want you to edit.

[Lathum]

My ability needs to ferment. I just added the yeast so it shouldn't be long now.

[The Jackal]

Now I want you to edit.

:p

[The Jackal]

My ability needs to ferment. I just added the yeast so it shouldn't be long now.

Mmm, bread.

[Passacaglia]

I just basted my ability, and soon I'm about to stick it in the oven.

[The Jackal]

I just basted my ability, and soon I'm about to stick it in the oven.

Pervert.

[Lathum]

Mmm, bread.

Actually it's a smelly vag, and I can use it to deflect unwanted advances from Hoops and other radiators.

[Lathum]

and the thread comes to a screaching halt.

I sense a mod edit coming up

[Lathum]

vote nightfall?

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, just got back -- I ran to ask my parents what a 'vag' was, and they said I'm not allowed on the computer anymore. Good luck finding a replacement for me (and anyone else similarly affected)!

[Passacaglia]

I think you mean dayfall.

[Lathum]

Vote Vagfall

[The Jackal]

I wonder what happens on vagfall, that can't be pretty

[Danny]

I may be able to run the night phase early, stay tuned!

[Lathum]

I wonder what happens on vagfall, that can't be pretty

I assure you, before the end of this game someone is gonna find out.

[Danny]

Nightfall results are starting

[The Jackal]

I assume that means he got all the orders in?

[The Jackal]

Or he's going to have some witty commentary, either way I'll be entertained.

[Lathum]

He who?

[The Jackal]

..Jack Nicholson?

Danny, c'mon.

[Lathum]

..Jack Nicholson?

Danny, c'mon.

people tell me I look like Jack

[The Jackal]

people tell me I look like Jack

Which Jack?

http://www.vivacinema.it/img/jack-nicholson.jpg

or

http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10101875A%7EJack-Nicholson-The-Shining-Posters.jpg

[Lathum]

second one, and seriously, how did you find and post those pictures so fast, that was pretty creepy

[The Jackal]

second one, and seriously, how did you find and post those pictures so fast, that was pretty creepy

google images ftw

[Danny]

After the night, all is quiet as the whole group decides to sleep in. But it’s time to wake them up, the bed check is coming.

First up is Lathum, he is alive!
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Next is PackerFanatic, he is alive!
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Chief Rum, alive!
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Poli, alive!
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Hoopsguy alive! …
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Saldana alive!
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Abe alive! …
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Telle alive!
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Number 5 alive!
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Clap alive!
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Dubb alive!
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Autumn alive!
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Jackal alive!
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Uh oh, that only leaves Martin D, DaddyTorgo and Passacaglia.

Martin D. is alive!
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Passacaglia is dead!

Pass was The Analyst!

The Analyst - At one point in the game, you may provide your in depth analysis for why a specific player no longer needs therapy. This one time, the group will go with you and vote that player out of the group.

[The Jackal]

I need to apologize to Danny, I forgot to include this Jack:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA4NDY4MDg4MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjgxMDU2._V1._SX335_SY400_.jpg

[The Jackal]

It's pretty sweet that they've managed to hit on non-essential villager roles every time. Sorry to see you go Pass, we'll see who that might elevate in the suspicion status. Are the wolves trying to frame hoops?

[hoopsguy]

I much prefer attempts at framing me to night killing me. I'm pretty confused over the Pass kill as I have no idea what they saw.

I'm more confused that two groups of people are largely emerging unscathed at nights - "most trusted", or at least the four I have in my list (Dubb, Autumn, MartinD, PackerFanatic) and "vets/scary wolves" (Dubb, Poli, me, Lathum, Chief Rum).

[hoopsguy]

I'm also wondering why Pass, if he was the Duke, let Lathum live after Lathum had suggested that he was not going to die today. That sounded to me like he was giving out a call to his role, which would have set off major alarm bells. But Pass spent the day grilling Pass, then voting me (with a late switch).

Go figure.

[The Jackal]

I realize I never found those posts from PF for you. Mostly because I was lazy but also because I didn't feel I had enough on him to champion him as a lynch target. I still don't think I do, this is mostly gut, and after being the subject of a pile of gut votes last game I'm not willing to push that on other people. If someone else feels like that, then I'm all for seeing where pressure on PF takes us.

[The Jackal]

Granted those gut votes were on me when I was a wolf.. but I think they were for the wrong reasons.

[hoopsguy]

So, 14 players left.

I think it might be time to open things up a little bit here, as I'm guessing we have three wolves left, with a brutal and a cunning.

Poli - can you draw me a map at this point on why you are sure that Telle is a wolf now? I had some suspicions about an hour ago, but a look at the voting records didn't back them up for me.

[The Jackal]

I'd make a trust list for y'all but I don't have one. I don't really see anyone as trustworthy at this point. You'd think at some point we're going to get a reveal.

[hoopsguy]

Well, there are only two roles that can reveal fully at this point in the game.

I'm guessing that the seer doesn't have a very long list of names to clear - I think that PB was on the list. At one point I thought that EF was on the list but now I'm not as sure. I've got 1-2 more people that I think are on the list, based on observations in the thread. But I'm growing a little less confident that I've got the seer pegged.

[hoopsguy]

I'm struggling with the risk/reward on the seer coming forward now or waiting one more day.

It really comes down to how valuable their info is (3+ people cleared, minimum, I would think to consider it) and whether they think we get through another day without a seer/BG lynch/NK.

14 players, I'm guessing 11-3 but I guess could be 10-4 (w/brutal as worst case). I think we have one more day w/o dire consequences for a bad vote, but I would hope that the seer would not let us lynch one of the people they have cleared at this stage of the game.

Also, if they are going to come out there is nothing that says they need to do it at the start of the day. Potentially they can let stuff unfold that day (fewer villagers = greater pressure on both sides, not just on villagers) and then come in later in day to course correct.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, so this is what it feels like to post as Chief Rum, eh?

[hoopsguy]

OK, time for a modified trust list. Might as well pass the time while waiting for morning to come around. I've excluded myself from the list; put me where you think I should be slotted.

High Trust = well, probably not anyone right now. I listed four names two nights ago and they are all still alive. I don't get it.

Medium Trust = Dubb, Autumn

Low Trust = MartinD, PackerFanatic (want more from both those guys beyond just D2 vote)

Neutral = Chief Rum, Abe, TheJackal, Poli. Some are based on suspected seer scans, some are based upon guesses to what they are trying to do in the thread.

Moving towards Distrust = Lathum (lack of understanding on role), MommyTorgo (creeps me out, have seen multiple posts that just scream wolf trying to pair people up)

Distrust = Clap, Saldana, Telle

[Lathum]

So Hoops, you don't trust me because of my role, that I am not alowed to reveal, in a game where we all have a role?

Makes sense.

[The Jackal]

Only because you're smart enough to manipulate that fact as a wolf, Lathum.

[The Jackal]

doesn't mean you're the lead candidate by any means, just means you aren't cleared at all

[hoopsguy]

So Hoops, you don't trust me because of my role, that I am not alowed to reveal, in a game where we all have a role?

Makes sense.

Nope, and I'm not sure what you can do to help me get to trusting you either given the game setup.

For what it is worth, I've had very few questions for the moderator about what I'm allowed to say. Which makes it a little bit harder to empathize.

[Lathum]

Nope, and I'm not sure what you can do to help me get to trusting you either given the game setup.

.

You'll know when the time comes

[Poli]

Godspeed, Pass.

VOTE TELLE

[claphamsa]

I resent the implication I would hump Hoops, now Clap on the other hand...
O.0

[claphamsa]

why telle poli? is this one of those crazy roll things you cant tell us about?

[hoopsguy]

Godspeed, Pass.

VOTE TELLE

Is this a "settle the question now" vote or based on something more than that?

If the latter, why do you think that the wolves let you live after your post last night clearly indicated that you had already determined she was your course of action for today after voting for her the last couple of days?

[DaddyTorgo]

OK, time for a modified trust list. Might as well pass the time while waiting for morning to come around. I've excluded myself from the list; put me where you think I should be slotted.

High Trust = well, probably not anyone right now. I listed four names two nights ago and they are all still alive. I don't get it.

Medium Trust = Dubb, Autumn

Low Trust = MartinD, PackerFanatic (want more from both those guys beyond just D2 vote)

Neutral = Chief Rum, Abe, TheJackal, Poli. Some are based on suspected seer scans, some are based upon guesses to what they are trying to do in the thread.

Moving towards Distrust = Lathum (lack of understanding on role), MommyTorgo (creeps me out, have seen multiple posts that just scream wolf trying to pair people up)

Distrust = Clap, Saldana, Telle

don't trust me despite my being there at deadline last night and sniping for us to net us the sympathizer and prevent any funny-business?

[DaddyTorgo]

Is this a "settle the question now" vote or based on something more than that?

If the latter, why do you think that the wolves let you live after your post last night clearly indicated that you had already determined she was your course of action for today after voting for her the last couple of days?

that's actually a good point

[Autumn]

don't trust me despite my being there at deadline last night and sniping for us to net us the sympathizer and prevent any funny-business?

Why woudln't the wolves also be glad to snipe the Sympathizer. 1. They may not have had any idea he wasn't a plain villager. 2. If they did it still helps them out to knock off a villager count and perhaps garner trust.

[Autumn]

Is this a "settle the question now" vote or based on something more than that?

If the latter, why do you think that the wolves let you live after your post last night clearly indicated that you had already determined she was your course of action for today after voting for her the last couple of days?

There are a bunch of people, including me, who have been casting votes at Telle, putting her high on the distrust list, and likely to vote for her again. I don't see why we would assume the wolves wouldn't "let him live" just because he's likely to vote her.

[Autumn]

So, 14 players left.

I think it might be time to open things up a little bit here, as I'm guessing we have three wolves left, with a brutal and a cunning.

I still don't get why we aren't all assuming there are 4 wolves left. Danny made clear before the game that he needed 21 players to get ALL the roles in, and he added in an extra wolf role obviously with EagleFan's. Shouldn't we therefore be assuming there were 5 wolves? And that the ones remaining are all 4 revealed wolf roles?

[Autumn]

What I'd like to unpack, but won't have time to do until this afternoon, is what went on with other candidates yesterday. I seem to recall clap, hoops and pass all kind of voting at each other and I'm wondering what was going on there.

[Autumn]

I'll be out for a while. I need to look over my distrust list again, we really must nail a wolf today. Telle is on my list but I need to examine a few others.

[hoopsguy]

I still don't get why we aren't all assuming there are 4 wolves left. Danny made clear before the game that he needed 21 players to get ALL the roles in, and he added in an extra wolf role obviously with EagleFan's. Shouldn't we therefore be assuming there were 5 wolves? And that the ones remaining are all 4 revealed wolf roles?

I'm fine with assuming 5 wolves + Sympathizer for purposes of worst-case scenarios, but i personally think we started with 4 + Sympathizer because those numbers make more sense to me in a "straight" game. Maybe 5+S was appropriate with everyone having roles, but with the amount people seem hamstrung in talking about their roles I'm not sure just how much of an edge that may be.

I suppose that will make interesting post-game conversation. But for now I'll go with thinking we are 10-4 at this point because it is probably better from a risk management perspective.

[hoopsguy]

The only voting record really worth analyzing from yesterday was Lerriuqs. The villagers were voting for who they thought was a wolf. The wolves were voting for who they thought was a villager.

[Danny]

Pass, your PM box is full

[claphamsa]

Pass, your PM box is full
good thing hes dead then huh?

[claphamsa]

I got shit tonight, but I SHOULD be home by 8. Im gonna go ahead and kick off the voting, simply becasue I dont want to forget

vote telle

[Passacaglia]

I cleared some space.

[Danny]

I can chat about the game with the dead fellas

[claphamsa]

no! you might give them info :P

[Passacaglia]

Don't worry clap -- I won't tell him anything I know.

[Lathum]

Well I think we need a couple of candidates otherwise we risk a run on Telle.

Vote Hoopsguy

If I am Lerriqus Hoops is one of my first scans and the vote yesterday came at a time when it looked like he may be trying to save Hoops.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I'm not sure that I had any reputation to speak of with Lerriuqs prior to this game. I wouldn't make this argument with the majority of us who have played these games (I know I get scanned a lot) but I think it harder to guess who Lerriuqs would have scanned compared to someone like you.

Also, do you have any reason to think that Telle is more likely to be good than me? I understand the risk of a villager runaway, but right now the vote is 1-0 and you are already looking for backup options.

[Telle]

Actually hoops, there are two votes on me. Poli and clap.

[Abe Sargent]

Agreed that either hoops or telle (or both) look like wolves. Not sure whioch to push though

[hoopsguy]

Well, if you think we are both wolves then it doesn't matter, right? That would be incorrect, but if it represents your viewpoint then it really does not matter what lane you pick.

I can tell you that it is infinitely more likely to be villager/villager (me vs Telle) than wolf/wolf, but that does not hold any water since I'm not in a position of being trusted.

Bottom line, I do not know about Telle but I'm still working with the idea that Clap is certainly a better candidate (barring some meaningful info from Poli) and probably Saldana is as well.

VOTE CLAP

[claphamsa]

I R not wolf!

[Telle]

So what's the case against hoops other than the potential for Lerriuqs to have been trying to save him yesterday? Why was he getting votes yesterday?

[hoopsguy]

Telle, I think it is because we are not catching enough wolves, that I bear a bigger role in that as a guy who posts a fair amount of strategy, and finally that I'm still alive on Day 5.

If I'm missing any points (beyond Lerri trying to "save" me?) I'm sure others will chime in.

[Telle]

Well if that's it then that's not a very convincing argument.

[Lathum]

Unvote Hoops
Vote Saldana


looking back through the votes I think Saldana is a better candidate. Really poor voting record and his attempt at setting me up yesterday. Plus I do think we learn a little about Hoops with a Saldana lynch.

[Abe Sargent]

Unvote Hoops
Vote Saldana


looking back through the votes I think Saldana is a better candidate. Really poor voting record and his attempt at setting me up yesterday. Plus I do think we learn a little about Hoops with a Saldana lynch.

What do we learn, exactly?

[Lathum]

What do we learn, exactly?

Day 3 Hoops cast a vote on Saldana when at the time the vote was still very much in doubt. If Saldana is a wolf I don't think that's a move hoops makes. He could just as easily gone Telle or PB.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, I'm curious on the "linkage" discussion with me and Saldana. If there is anyone that I think makes sense to suggest I've been trying to "save" it would be Telle. I have no idea about either of them, but I think I've posted a lot more stuff suggesting a gentler viewpoint on Telle (not scheming on D1) than I have Saldana (not as bad a player/wolf as his voting record looks).

[Lathum]

I also don't like the way Saldana kept coming at me yesterday. I think it is something he would do as a wolf to create a distraction. He knows I am a target that will fight back and knows I can't say much about my role and will try to twist things to make me look manipulative.

He realizes people are becoming increasingly distrusting about my role, and I see why but I assure you my role will be known when the time comes.

[hoopsguy]

Day 3 Hoops cast a vote on Saldana when at the time the vote was still very much in doubt. If Saldana is a wolf I don't think that's a move hoops makes. He could just as easily gone Telle or PB.

That definitely makes more sense to me than the idea that I would be supporting Saldana.

[Danny]

Lathum, you're up in history draft.

[The Jackal]

FWIW, 5 wolves + sympathizer seems like a lot in a 21 person game. I'd guess we had 4 + sympathizer to start and have 3 wolves left. Either way, we need to make sure we're getting lynches right here.

[hoopsguy]

Just out of curiosity - am I the only one with a seer theory?

To clarify, I've made a couple of different moves in terms of trust/voting based on seer assumptions. Has anyone else been doing this along the way or are people just reacting strictly on their own perceptions of play?

[The Jackal]

I haven't felt strongly enough about anyone being the seer to base votes on it; credit to them, they've hidden themselves well.

[The Jackal]

Been a while since we've heard from CR, eh?

[Telle]

Yeah I don't have any seer theories either.

[claphamsa]

sooner or later the seer has to find SOMETHING. I just hope scanns werent wasted on PB and EF

[saldana]

I also don't like the way Saldana kept coming at me yesterday. I think it is something he would do as a wolf to create a distraction. He knows I am a target that will fight back and knows I can't say much about my role and will try to twist things to make me look manipulative.

He realizes people are becoming increasingly distrusting about my role, and I see why but I assure you my role will be known when the time comes.

again...you posted links to all the posts i made about you, but what is missing is the time stamps from them...with one exception, they are all from the hour long window otherwise known as my lunch break.

why are you continuing to exaggerate the truth?

1 hour hardly equals "all day" or "kept coming at me"...hoops asked me if i had any theories or analysis, and i gave it to him....your over the top defensiveness is actually more suspicious to me than my own theory was

i doubt i will get any backing with this, but i for one have had my fill of lathum jumping all over people with his "how dare you suspect me" attitude, and his unconfirmed triggered mechanic....i feel like i am playing with blade again. :D

vote lathum

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, the thing I worry about with Lathum is that we are playing with Fouts back in the day with his "my role will come in soon and it will blow your minds" = wolf.

[The Jackal]

I agree with sal that he's been hyper-defensive, likely because of what he can and can't say. Not sure he's the best target at this point, I think the chance of him being a wolf is less than some of the others.

[saldana]

Saldana, the thing I worry about with Lathum is that we are playing with Fouts back in the day with his "my role will come in soon and it will blow your minds" = wolf.


wasnt it the survivor game where blade kept making up ridiculous powers the whole game that basically scared everyone away from lynching him?

[saldana]

I agree with sal that he's been hyper-defensive, likely because of what he can and can't say. Not sure he's the best target at this point, I think the chance of him being a wolf is less than some of the others.

but is it really what he can or cant say, or is it what he wants us to believe he can or cant say?

no one else's private role to this point has has required public action that they werent allowed to talk about.

[The Jackal]

but is it really what he can or cant say, or is it what he wants us to believe he can or cant say?

I've thought it more likely he was a villager than wolf most of the game, but the longer he stays alive the higher he shoots up the suspicion charts.

no one else's private role to this point has has required public action that they werent allowed to talk about.

That's very true. It seems possible Danny only included one role like that, but yes, he could be lying.

I just think at this point there's a higher probability we hit a wolf on someone else - if Lathum is alive as we near the end of the game and he hasn't used any sort of ability, I'm sure he'll get lynched.

[The Jackal]

Also, the chance that he has a beneficial ability for us is something we can't ignore, as the numbers are getting close and if we don't hit on a wolf today we could be looking at some trouble.