WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over!

[Danny]

Introduction

You all are in a therapy group. Some of you (we'll call you “The Needies”) have become upset with having to share the therapist (me) with so many others. You have devised a plot to slowly eliminate other members from the group through various means. You don't feel you are ready to face the world without therapy and will stop at nothing to assure you stay in the group. Each day the group will vote for someone they feel has reached a point of enlightenment and no longer needs to be in therapy. This person will be removed from the group to face the world on their own.

Like all groups, each of you is unique and special in your own way and will have something to contribute to the group or some way of getting what you want. Every one of you will have a role. Some roles are listed, many others are not. If you are not a listed role, you may at no point reveal to the group your role. On death, the role and its details will be revealed.

Cycles

Day Cycle – During the day cycle of 1AM eastern until 8 PM eastern players can vote.

A vote should appear as such Vote Danny

Votes not properly formatted may be missed.

Ties: In the event of two players having an equal amount of votes at the end of the day, an unknown mechanic will be applied to determine who is the lynch choice.

No Lynch vote is an option for players, but only works if everyone votes No Lynch. If there is someone with votes on them, the no lynch vote mechanic is removed.

Night Cycle – Lasts from 8 PM Eastern to 1 AM Eastern. During this time all those with a night action may submit it.

Sides

Group Members: Win by eliminating all of the needies from the group. There may or may not be some group members with special win conditions. There is the sympathizer who counts as a group member, but wins with the needies.

The Needies: Win by achieving a 1-1 ratio with the group members.

May or may not be players with different or additional win conditions.

Roles

Group Members (many roles not listed)

The Empathizer - You are really in tune with other's emotions. Each night you may pair up with one player for a heart to heart discussion. In this, you will find out if they are a needie or not.

The Teddy Bear - You are sweet and kind to all those around you. Your unwavering support allows you to pair up with one person each night and any attempt by the needies to get that person out of the group will fail. You also feel the need to share your support and can not pair up with the same person two nights in a row.

The Analyst - At one point in the game, you may provide your in depth analysis for why a specific player no longer needs therapy. This one time, the group will go with you and vote that player out of the group.

The Sympathizer - You secretly feel a lot of sympathy for the needies and their desire to remain in therapy and will win with them. Every night, you may scan to see if a player is a needy.

The Needies (potential for unlisted roles as well as a listed role to not appear in the game)

The Screamer - If voted that you no longer need therapy you may scream at the top of your lungs in the face of one player and they will become overly emotional and leave therapy with you

The Criticizer - You are a needy who has the ability to criticize one player every other night. The player who is criticized will have such low self esteem that they won't feel confident enough to vote the next day. That player can still post. Needies may criticize themselves or fellow needies.

The Wannabee Therapist - Your skills and knowledge of the therapeutic process are developed to the level where you are able to fool the empathizer into thinking you are just one of the group.

The Desperate for Attention - You want everyone's attention at all times, however you need to be careful not to draw suspicion as a needy. Each night you may pull aside one player and see how they respond to your attempts for attention. If you talk to the empathizer or sympathizer you will know it. However there is also one player out there who if you talk to will learn your identity, but will not be able to outright reveal it to the group.

Notes

Game write ups may have added flavor to them, but these are in no way hints or revealing of game or player information.

There is to be no quoting of private messages.

As stated, unlisted roles are not to be revealed.

[Danny]

Signups

1. Claphamsa - The Teddy Bear, Brutal Killed Day 5
2. EagleFan - Evil Information Collector, Lynched Day 2
3. Barkeep - The Cool Guy, Night Kill Day 3
4. The Jackal - The Bigot, Night Kill Day 6
5. Abe - The Questioner, Lynched Day 6
6. PackerFanatic The Criticizer, Lynched Day 7
7. Hoopsguy
8. PurdueBrad - The Shy One, Lynched Day 3
9. Lathum
10. Martin D. - The Empathizer, Night kill Day 5
11. Poli
12. Passacaglia The Analyst, Night Kill Day 4
13. Lerriuqs - The Sympathizer, Lynched Day 4
14. Dubb93
15. Autumn
16. Chief Rum
17. NTNDeacon - The Talker, Lynched Day 1
18. Telle - The Screamer, Lynched Day 5
19. DaddyTorgo
20. AlanT - The Arbitrator, Night Kill Day 2
21. Saldana

[Danny]

Day 1 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2021169)
Night 1 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2021363)
Day 2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2022486)
Night 2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2023025)
Day 3 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2023866)
Night 3 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2024548)
Day 4 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2026245)
Night 4 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2026711)
Day 5 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2027717)
Night 5 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2027962)
Day 6 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2029039)
Night 6 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2029278)
Day 7 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72271&p=2030159)

Evil Roles

The Evil Information Collector- Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role. Because you are evil, you also plan on using this info for your own selfish purposes. After learning a role, you may use your deception to try and trick one player into revealing their role to you by talking to that player at night to see if they are a role that you are looking for.

Villager Roles

The Talker- You are a group member who wins with the group. Once a night you may select a player to talk the ear off of and thus prevent them from taking any other night action. There are a number of roles that when you talk to, you will prevent their night action, this includes villager (such as a seer scan) and wolf actions. You will not know whether or not you prevented an action. If you talk to a wolf that is making the kill, you will prevent the night kill. You will not know whether it was your action or another that caused the no night kill. You may only talk to each player once per game as after one night with you they will avoid you for the rest of the game. If there are no players left alive who you have not talked to, your ability is used up. You are not required to use this action.

The Arbitrator –You are exceptional at playing the middle man and working two sides to come to a common conclusion. Your vote decides any ties that take place during the course of the game. You also have the ability as a one time action to add one vote to your total. A PM must be sent to that you intend to use this action.

The Shy One - You are very quiet and shy. This however has made you very observant of others who are seeking attention. If pulled aside by the desperate for attention you will learn their identity. Every other night you may also have a rare moment where you come out of your shell. During this moment, you give someone rare attention from you. If this person is the desperate for attention, you will know it.

The Cool Guy- You are one cool guy! This means some look up to you and some are jealous and want you out of the way. Half the players in the game subconsciously look up to you. Anytime one of those players makes a vote to oust you from the group, their vote will be nullified. The other half of the players subconsciously are jealous of you. Anytime one of those players votes to oust you from the group, their vote will be doubled. Each night you will study the group and learn of one player who is jealous of you and one who looks up to you. Being that these feelings are subconscious, the players themselves will not know about them or their effect on voting for you. However, once they vote to remove you from the group, it means their love/hate of you has turned to indifference and their effect on voting for you will not happen again.

The Questioner – You like to ask questions. At one point in the game you may ask a yes/no question about one player in order to find out if they are a needie. This includes the Wannabee Therapist.

The Leader - You are close with the follower. You each know each other's identity and may PM with one another. If the follower is voted out or killed, you will stay in the game.

The Follower - You are close with the leader. You each know each other's identity and may PM with one another. If the leader is voted out or killed, you will follow them out of therapy.

The Crier – You are very emotional and will cry over the smallest thing! You are a group member who wins with the group. Each night you may cry on the shoulder of one person and find out if they are the sympathizer or the empathizer.

The Bigot- You believe foreigners are inferior! You have a distinct feeling that one of the group members is secretly one. Each night you may pull one player aside have a talk with them to find out if they are the foreigner. You win by lasting longer in the group than the foreigner. After succeeding you become a regular member of the group and can earn a bonus victory by also winning with the group.

The Foreigner - Unknown to the group, you are secretly a foreigner. Most of the group has no idea and wouldn’t care anyway, but there is one bigot out there who has a feeling you are hiding in the group somewhere. Each night you may have a man to man talk with one player to discover whether or not they are the bigot. You win by lasting longer in the group than he does. After succeeding, you become a regular member of the group and can earn a bonus victory by also winning with the group.

The Information Collector - You are great at collecting information! Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role.

The Risk-Taker - You love the thrill of the risk/reward of a decision. At one point in the game as night action you may submit the order to “take a risk”. This will result in a random number of votes being added to your total the following day. The number of votes added to your total will be a random number from 1-5. You will be given the number of votes added in a PM. If you survive that lynch, you will gain the ability to survive one night kill or lynch later in the game.

[claphamsa]

in

[EagleFan]

In

[Barkeep49]

I will play.

[The Jackal]

Sure, in.

[Barkeep49]

I really can't decide what I think of the no reveal mechanic.

[Danny]

The purpose of it is that villagers will be able to learn information from their role, but will have to use that info to convince the group to vote with them instead of simply saying I am so and so who can do this and so and so is a wolf.

It will also prevent a mass reveal.

[claphamsa]

I really can't decide what I think of the no reveal mechanic.
ive played in games wit it before.... it can be real tough, and real easy to get around. depending on how strickd the GM is...

I also dont like it.

[Danny]

And that's only for the unlisted roles, listed roles may reveal.

[Danny]

Hopefully it also creates a challenge for the wolves. If someone is pining on them, it gives them the dilemma of killing that person off, but than having their role revealed which could cause others to trust the way that person had been voting. I'm thinking it will add another level of strategy, but we'll see how it turns out.

[Abe Sargent]

In

[PackerFanatic]

It's been a few games since I have played, I am in.

[Abe Sargent]

YAY!

[Abe Sargent]

I want a BIG axe. Can you do that for me Danny?

[Danny]

I want a BIG axe. Can you do that for me Danny?

How would having a big axe make you feel?

[Danny]

Just in case anyone was wondering, I am actually going into School Psychology and think very highly of counseling and the therapeutic process. All this year as part of the practicum experience we had a weekly group session. It was a wonderful experience, but I thought it would be interesting to poke fun at it here as the basis for my game.

[DaddyTorgo]

but info is revealed upon death?

so you're basically just saying you can't come in and say "i'm a villager" ??

I'm confused...plz clarify

[Danny]

but info is revealed upon death?

so you're basically just saying you can't come in and say "i'm a villager" ??

I'm confused...plz clarify

You can say I'm a villager.

I'll give an example of a role which is not in the game to help.

Lets say the comic is a villager and the giggler is a needie

You are the Comic- Every night you may pull aside a player a tell and corny joke. If that player is the giggler, you will know. You may not reveal your role or the result of your scan

So this player can learn information from their role, but can not outright reveal that they are the comic and they scanned and found the giggler. They will have to use persuasion, accusations and build a case around the player they know to be a wolf. However, on death their role is revealed, so if they have voted for Hoopsguy every day, chances are people will realize what that meant. But then again, maybe he didn't find the giggler and instead just thought Hoopsguy was a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not wild about your example, Danny. It makes me feel like I'm not fully appreciated as a villager, and that people are always projecting me as a wolf.

Despite these misgivings, I suppose I'll muster up enough esteem to join the rest of you for this endeavor.

[Danny]

I'm not wild about your example, Danny. It makes me feel like I'm not fully appreciated as a villager, and that people are always projecting me as a wolf.

Despite these misgivings, I suppose I'll muster up enough esteem to join the rest of you for this endeavor.

:D

[PurdueBrad]

Hell, I need therapy. In.

[Alan T]

Just in case anyone was wondering, I am actually going into School Psychology and think very highly of counseling and the therapeutic process. All this year as part of the practicum experience we had a weekly group session. It was a wonderful experience, but I thought it would be interesting to poke fun at it here as the basis for my game.


Neat! My wife currently is working on getting a second masters degree, this time in school psychology herself. She comes home every day and tells me about the various things she is working on. It goes way over my head though I must say.

[hoopsguy]

So, doctor - sometimes I have these paranoid urges that PurdueBrad is out to get me. And it makes me want to find a rope and string him up and watch the body twitch until his last breath has left him. Does anyone else have these type of feelings?

[hoopsguy]

Other times I look around the room and find myself getting increasingly frustrated when people don't talk. It just drives me bonkers, right up until the point where I go out to the local Home Depot (or whatever equivalent is in the town) and by the thickest, sturdiest rope I can find. That seems to act as a security blanket for me.

I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with me ...

[PurdueBrad]

So, doctor - sometimes I have these paranoid urges that PurdueBrad is out to get me. And it makes me want to find a rope and string him up and watch the body twitch until his last breath has left him. Does anyone else have these type of feelings?

:(

[Danny]

Neat! My wife currently is working on getting a second masters degree, this time in school psychology herself. She comes home every day and tells me about the various things she is working on. It goes way over my head though I must say.

Cool! Is hers a three year program? I'm finishing up my first year now. Supposedly next year is the toughest since you have a full class load and fieldwork. The third year is pretty much just working with a full time internship and a thesis project. The program I am in is great and I can't wait to finish and start my career. It's a great field.

What I think is always fun is when you tell someone you are going into School Psychology and they think you can all of a sudden help them solve all their problems in a day. Then you actually describe the things you do and how it works, but they still think that :).

[hoopsguy]

So, doctor - sometimes I have these paranoid urges that PurdueBrad is out to get me. And it makes me want to find a rope and string him up and watch the body twitch until his last breath has left him. Does anyone else have these type of feelings?

:(

I know, because you are probably a great guy. You ran for President, after all :) Hopefully the shrink can help me with this issue.

[Danny]

Other times I look around the room and find myself getting increasingly frustrated when people don't talk. It just drives me bonkers, right up until the point where I go out to the local Home Depot (or whatever equivalent is in the town) and by the thickest, sturdiest rope I can find. That seems to act as a security blanket for me.

I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with me ...

You feel restless

[USFLTecmo]

When does this start? It means everything in terms of my participation this game.

[Danny]

It looks like Abe's game is going to finish up next monday/tuesday, so definitely after that. What does everyone think? Should I start that Wednesday or Thursday or wait for the following week?

[Alan T]

Cool! Is hers a three year program? I'm finishing up my first year now. Supposedly next year is the toughest since you have a full class load and fieldwork. The third year is pretty much just working with a full time internship and a thesis project. The program I am in is great and I can't wait to finish and start my career. It's a great field.

What I think is always fun is when you tell someone you are going into School Psychology and they think you can all of a sudden help them solve all their problems in a day. Then you actually describe the things you do and how it works, but they still think that :).

Yes, you basically just listed verbatim what her schedule looks like. She just finished up the first year this week (had exams and such). Next week she has a meeting with the director of the program to discuss her placement for next year. She is hoping it is somewhere close by and not like an hour or two away.

The part that has been annoying for me is she has to practice all of the various tests over the past few months and of course I have been her guinea pig before she actually did the tests on kids. So I've had plenty of time stacking and organizing blocks, finding patterns/shapes in drawings, answering questions etc... My favorite is when she asks me to pretend like I am 12 years old when I answer them... uhh.. I always act like I am 12 I thought!

[USFLTecmo]

If it's the following week, I'm in. I have a guest all next week (and into next weekend, and he'll leave Monday, the 18th), so I'm not going to have enough time to do this if it starts any earlier.

[jeheinz72]

Man...now that I helped Danny out with the rules I kinda wish I didn't so I could play this.

It should be a fun one, IMO, folks.

What makes it really sad is that after Abe's game I'm surely going to need some form of WW-therapy and a strong dosage of WWellbutrin.

[Lathum]

In

we need to get EF27 to play :)

[hoopsguy]

I would love to see it get rolling the day after Abe's ends if that works for you and the rest of the group that is playing.

[Lathum]

ohhh...

I will be away for memorial day the 23rd-26th.

[The Jackal]

Please don't make me a wolf, danny. Thanks.

[Lathum]

I really can't decide what I think of the no reveal mechanic.

personally not a fan, I think it removes a lot of the players creativity.

I also think Danny will get a ton of PM's from people wondering what they can and cant say.

[Danny]

I'm guessing her program is NASP approved, all of those I think are pretty similar in their format as they have to meet a lot of requirements to get accreditation.

The school districts here work a little different because we have to find our own placement. I have an interview on Wednesday for a fieldwork position.

[hoopsguy]

Memorial Day = same rules as weekend play? By same rules, I mean nothing during that window?

I've got a work migration going on starting the Friday night before Memorial Day. So if I'm still alive and kicking at that point I may not be quite as active with my posting that day or the Tuesday afterwards.

[Alan T]

I'm guessing her program is NASP approved, all of those I think are pretty similar in their format as they have to meet a lot of requirements to get accreditation.

The school districts here work a little different because we have to find our own placement. I have an interview on Wednesday for a fieldwork position.

Yes, she had to join NASP as well, so that makes sense.

[Lathum]

If I may suggest I think ending that friday and starting up again tuesday would be best

[Danny]

Let's make it a start Next Wednesday 5/13. We'll have a three day weekend break for Memorial day assuming the game is still going on at that point.

[MartinD]

I would like to play.

[Poli]

Yo

[Passacaglia]

I'm in -- I'm not worried about the unlisted reveals not being allowed. I think we should just treat it like it's a normal villager (which it is, in this case), but it happens to have some extra ability to make the game more interesting.

[lerriuqs]

in

[Danny]

Ideally we will have 20+ sign ups, so that each role can be used.

[dubb93]

in

[Autumn]

I'd like to be in. I'm assuming we have no or limited weekend play this coming weekend too? I'll be gone most of the weekend.

[Danny]

Yeah, no weekend play

[Chief Rum]

I need to work in a one game break or so every now and then to keep me going, and I have been on a stretch of games recently.

That said, I am interested to see how this one plays out.

If Abe's game is done by the time this starts, I'll play. Or if I am Ousted by then.

If not, though, I will just be an interested observer.

[Danny]

We won't be starting until Abe's game is over. He said his will wrap up Tuesday morning at the latest, so I am putting you in ;)

[PurdueBrad]

Ideally we will have 20+ sign ups, so that each role can be used.


Danny, if you need more players, I'm sure two or three of my other personalities might be interested.

[Danny]

Sure PB, but then I'll have to give you some sort of Identity type role where one of you is trying to kill off the others.

[ntndeacon]

ok, iwas worried that Abe's game would not be finished. if it is, then I am in.

[Telle]

I'll play.

[DaddyTorgo]

i can play if need be, but i was planning on sending in my laptop to get fixed so my time online might be a bit cut back (not sure how my backup laptop will perform and stuff)

[Danny]

Welcome Telle!

I'll put you in for now DT :)

[Passacaglia]

Welcome back Telle!


Fixed. Telle doesn't need to be handled with newbie gloves or anything. :)

[Abe Sargent]

I'll play.

Rock on!

[claphamsa]

Rock on!
are you a cheat commando? is telle in blu lazr?

[Danny]

We need at least one more and then we have enough. I could go as high as 22 though if more want to sign up.

[Passacaglia]

I can get my buddies punt and kick to join.

-- Pass

[Lathum]

I can get my buddies punt and kick to join.

-- Pass

:lol:

[Alan T]

We need at least one more and then we have enough. I could go as high as 22 though if more want to sign up.

I'll play so you have the 20 that you want.

[Autumn]

It took me this long to realize the wolves in this game were called Needies, not Needles.

[Danny]

haha

[Danny]

A needy wasn't a real noun until I invented it for this game.

[EagleFan]

I'll play so you have the 20 that you want.

We're not falling for that again... :)

[claphamsa]

...again

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE TELLE

lol

[Danny]

I'll play so you have the 20 that you want.

Sweet!

[TheNorm]

I'm going to take a pass this go round, got way too much going on. Maybe next time though, this looks like fun.

[Schmidty]

I know I've been a flake lately because of my schedule, but I hate how most game's deadlinesare scheduled around people that can play at work. It sucks ass.

[Danny]

I know I've been a flake lately because of my schedule, but I hate how most game's deadlinesare scheduled around people that can play at work. It sucks ass.

FWIW, my game is scheduled about not being online some nights because of class. I go back to class the week after next, so assuming the game is still going, I scheduled the deadline, so I am able to post result before I would have to go to class.

[Schmidty]

FWIW, my game is scheduled about not being online some nights because of class. I go back to class the week after next, so assuming the game is still going, I scheduled the deadline, so I am able to post result before I would have to go to class.

That's understandable, and I wasn't trying to take a shot at you, it's just something that's always annoyed me.

Depending on my new schedule, I should get out an hour before deadline next week (as I am this week), so I'm tempted to play and redeem myself this game.

[Passacaglia]

I know I've been a flake lately because of my schedule, but I hate how most game's deadlinesare scheduled around people that can play at work. It sucks ass.

Why is it so important to be around at deadline?

[Telle]

VOTE TELLE

lol

Such love I get around here :)

[DaddyTorgo]

eh - deadlines are deadlines. i always had issues with deadlines trying to play when i worked retail-hours, and it sucks...but i mean, that's just sorta the way it is I guess. you have to adopt your playing-style to it.

[Lathum]

eh - deadlines are deadlines. i always had issues with deadlines trying to play when i worked retail-hours, and it sucks...but i mean, that's just sorta the way it is I guess. you have to adopt your playing-style to it.

when I was bartending I would be at work during deadlines, it is somewhat disconnecting but doable.

[Danny]

Sometimes it even keeps you from getting lynched.

[Danny]

I'm going to end the sign ups when we have 21 as I have decided to go with that number for game balance.

[Poli]

I find that I invariably get lynched when I'm not around.

[Danny]

And hopefully we get one more because the role that would be added is a fun one :).

[Poli]

Achilles, I likes it!

[Danny]

One more note, I've decided to remove the hunter role from the game for a more interesting role.

[dubb93]

I think we should all reveal on day 1.

[Danny]

I have your phone number Dubb which means I can get your address which means I can come pay you a visit which means I can give you a nice stern talking to!

[dubb93]

I have your phone number Dubb which means I can get your address which means I can come pay you a visit which means I can give you a nice stern talking to!

!

I would actually enjoy the visit. We could make a weekend of it.

[dubb93]

But I would insist the "stern talk" be in Trow.

[dubb93]

Fear the mighty Trow:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7655/trowo.gif

[Danny]

Where did you get that picture of me?

[Danny]

!

I would actually enjoy the visit. We could make a weekend of it.

Would be cool! Maybe we should have a werewolf get together one of these days.

[Lathum]

Would be cool! Maybe we should have a werewolf get together one of these days.

I've done a few of those, most of the guys are actually pretty normal.

Except for that Saldana chick.

I met up with Pass, Hoops, BK, Mr. Wed and Neon Chaos in Chicago. AlanT and DT in Boston and St. Cronin and Cartman in Vegas.

Had a great time.

[claphamsa]

I dont think I wanna meet any of the guys that live near me :)

[claphamsa]

Is TK hot?

shes in DC :)

[Barkeep49]

I dont think I wanna meet any of the guys that live near me :)
I've had a good time each and every time I've met someone from FOFC.

[claphamsa]

The only one Ive had any interaction with is Subby.....

[Barkeep49]

That's funny. I was going to meet Subby 9 years ago, but his wife ended up going into labor with their second child and thus I never have met the guy.

[Danny]

Or was it Subby that went into labor?

[claphamsa]

9 years...... wow!

[Passacaglia]

I've had a good time each and every time I've met someone from FOFC.

Same here. Except for the one where I met that ardent enthusiast guy. Whatever happened to him, anyway? :p

[Lathum]

so are roles going out today or tomorrow?

[hoopsguy]

Same here. Except for the one where I met that ardent enthusiast guy. Whatever happened to him, anyway? :p

I bought that dude pizza :)
Werewolf XVI: Return of the Wolves - Front Office Football Central (http://osatwork.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=44355)

Will make sense if you read the thread for an "Artist Formerly Known as ArdentEnthusiast vs Hoopsguy" throwdown.

[jeheinz72]

You guys will never meet me since I'm just a figment of your imagination. The manifestation of your inner desires for ketchup porn.

[Danny]

so are roles going out today or tomorrow?

It really depends on what happens with Abe's game this morning. I think maybe we should go with a day 1 deadline of thursday regardless of if the roles go out tonight or tomorrow. Everyone ok with that?

P.S. I like being GM and having the ability to edit my posts :)

[Passacaglia]

Just send out the roles now. Even if that game isn't over, are you guys actually doing anything?

[Barkeep49]

At this point Abe's game requires little attention. Basically it requires 30 seconds of work from me and the wolves every four hours. I would send out roles and get cracking whether we have a day 1 deadline of Thursday, or even tomorrow. I know some didn't want to start until that game has ended, but for 99% of the people it's over, even if they're still alive.

[Danny]

Just send out the roles now. Even if that game isn't over, are you guys actually doing anything?

Yes, we are having pointless conversation. And I would really like one more sign up for this game. I made all those roles and I want to use them.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - Just to be clear, I'm in favor of sending roles out today and having a deadline of tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

Yes, we are having pointless conversation. And I would really like one more sign up for this game. I made all those roles and I want to use them.
I thought you already had 20? You needed 21?

[Danny]

Ok, once we have our last signup I will send out roles. I know Schmidty was interested, so perhaps he'll fill the last spot.

[Danny]

I thought you already had 20? You needed 21?

20 was minimum, I could do it with 20, but would prefer 21 because I don't want to cut any of the roles.

[Alan T]

I feel like I was bait and switched! :)

[Danny]

To be fair, I removed the hunter role for something much more fun. It wouldn't have bothered me to cut the hunter, but I want this other role in ;)

[Abe Sargent]

I'm content with whatever

[Danny]

I see you lurking there Thomkal!

[Thomkal]

Stop Pointing at me!

[Barkeep49]

I feel like I was bait and switched! :)
I know! Maybe this should be Used Car Salesman game instead of GT...

[Danny]

Shhh, don't spoil my next game!

[hoopsguy]

I bought that dude pizza :)
Werewolf XVI: Return of the Wolves - Front Office Football Central (http://osatwork.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=44355)

Will make sense if you read the thread for an "Artist Formerly Known as ArdentEnthusiast vs Hoopsguy" throwdown.

Well, I've spent too much of my morning reviewing this game. For people who were not around back then, I would recommend just skipping ahead to Post #898 and reading that whole day, ending with Post #1114.

I think this is one of the most unusual days of voting I have ever seen in a game of werewolf. I am just about positive that something like that would not happen today, given our familiarity with each other and the pure number of games that we have all played. But, back then:
- it was only the 16th game on our forum
- AE/Poli and I had probably about 5-7 games each under our belts, not quite enough to cement reps that we now have, for better or worse
- not enough of these type of showdowns had emerged yet. Stuff like this has helped shape some of the logic that is accepted as "proper play" these days
- things were complicated by the "Lovers" role

All that said, this vote was an absolute stunner and really cannot be justified.

[Barkeep49]

People playing the so-called quiet game are always people I'm willing to vote for.

Either
A) They're a wolf trying to be forgotten
or
B) They're a villager not helping the cause

By not giving us anything to judge or link to, they're not only not helping the cause, they're hurting it.
Awesome to read this. Good to know this has been my philosophy for forever.

[claphamsa]

I require therapy after today!

[Passacaglia]

I think that was my second game ever. You villagers would have been a lot better off if you hadn't lynched the BG on Day 1! I think that wouldn't happen if the game were played now, but that's probably because we don't get as many fake reveals now as we did back then.

[Lathum]

DOLA - Just to be clear, I'm in favor of sending roles out today and having a deadline of tomorrow.

still catching up but I agree with this.

[Lathum]

hmm, I wonder why I didn't play in that game.

[Passacaglia]

Just finished reading that day. I'm glad there's no more talk of betting outside the game -- that really takes away the fun of the game. Pretty funny that lurker showed up in the middle of it and people started wigging out. I still need to get her in on a game -- maybe once she's finished her exam, I can convince her.

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I popped for pizza at Silo's. AE/Poli, BK, and Pass were all there. We were in the middle of the next game and all of us knew that Pass was a wolf in that one and had fun messing with him around the table as the Texas/USC championship game played out on TV.

[Danny]

I'll get roles out tonight and we'll have our first lynch tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Just for the record, tomorrow I have to travel for work, so likely won't be on much. In fact if roles go out late tonight (after I leave for my softball game at 5pm ET), I might not even see my role until some point tomorrow.

So if I'm quiet, I obviously am a wolf, so lynch me first.

[claphamsa]

vote alan T!

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for owning up to it, Alan. Maybe Lathum started a new trend, where people will finally admit that they're wolves.

[Lathum]

I'll get roles out tonight and we'll have our first lynch tomorrow.

Do it now damnit!

[Lathum]

It is always interesting to go back and read old threads and see how much strategy has evolved.

[Passacaglia]

Do it now damnit!

Word. If we're going to lynch tomorrow, might as well give us a full day. I know you're waiting for one more, but just give me two roles and be done with it already!

[Danny]

I PM'ed Schmidty, I should just sign him up now.

[claphamsa]

I can sign in as hannibal as well if you like :)

[Lathum]

I texted Saldana, just waiting to hear back from him

[Danny]

I can sign in as hannibal as well if you like :)

You lost your password. Saldana would be great though.

[claphamsa]

I lost it on my home computer.. Im at work, and can just pop it up here :P

[Lathum]

GOD DAMN YOU BK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Poli]

I bought that dude pizza :)
Werewolf XVI: Return of the Wolves - Front Office Football Central (http://osatwork.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=44355)

Will make sense if you read the thread for an "Artist Formerly Known as ArdentEnthusiast vs Hoopsguy" throwdown.
That Ardent, what a guy.

[hoopsguy]

Dreamweaver - like that was believable :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Lathum]

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[EagleFan]

Can I vote for Lathum yet?

[claphamsa]

apparently gary wright makes lathum want to take viagra....

[claphamsa]

Can I vote for Lathum yet?
ive already voted, so go for it :)

[Lathum]

WTF!?

[Lathum]

My role is the erector, once a night I can replace someones meds with Viagra. That person is then removed from the game for 4 hours until they can see a doctor for priapism.

[Danny]

Lathum, any word from Saldana?

[claphamsa]

she loves when Lathum takes viagra too I bet!

[Lathum]

Lathum, any word from Saldana?

nope.

probably in a meeting

[claphamsa]

just sign him up, then he HAS to play :D

[Poli]

Dreamweaver - like that was believable :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ardent was brilliant, I'll give you that.

[path12]

I'll do it if you need one last signup. God knows I've got problems.

[saldana]

i can play if path doesnt already have/want the spot.

[saldana]

My role is the erector, once a night I can replace someones meds with Viagra. That person is then removed from the game for 4 hours until they can see a doctor for priapism.


the most stunning thing about this post is that lathum spelled priapism correctly....considering he needs help with "lathum" most of the time, that is quite an achievement.

[path12]

i can play if path doesnt already have/want the spot.

Will totally give up the spot. Busy week coming up.

[Barkeep49]

It's great to have you back saldana.

[Alan T]

My guess is suddenly Danny is going to need 22 players instead of 21 :) :) :)

[Lathum]

the most stunning thing about this post is that lathum spelled priapism correctly....considering he needs help with "lathum" most of the time, that is quite an achievement.

I had to google that shit then copy and paste

[hoopsguy]

the most stunning thing about this post is that lathum spelled priapism correctly....considering he needs help with "lathum" most of the time, that is quite an achievement.

Post of the day.

[Danny]

Welcome back Saldana! Game is full, but I have to leave now. I will sent out roles when I get home tonight :)

[claphamsa]

after all that? and no roles today? lame!

[dubb93]

after all that? and no roles today? lame!

Atleast he will sent them out when he gets home tonight.

[Passacaglia]

heh, weird typo -- he obviously meant snet or tens or nets.

[Lathum]

He is also up in the history draft thread, so he is holding up 2 games at once!

[Passacaglia]

Does the Sympathizer scan as a needie or a normal group member to the Empathizer?

[Passacaglia]

Also does the wannabee therapist (if he wants a bee so much, just let him have a bee, damnit!) fool the sympathizer, or just the empathizer?

[Danny]

I'm here, I will be starting to send out roles in a little bit. Please do not post that you received your role until I have officially started the game.

[Abe Sargent]

Danny, your turn to pick in National People Draft in GD thread

[Danny]

Ok, I will go do that first then.

[Danny]

That one started quick.

[Poli]

Got my role!

[Poli]

OOPS!

[Danny]

Looks like you get a custom role now too. One vote placed against you for post you make, you will be out day one

[Passacaglia]

I don't believe that I have not unposted my lack of a role.

[Poli]

Type in English, please.

[Passacaglia]

Type in English, please.

Sorry.

Thou dost not believeth that thou hast 'ere unposted thine lacke of a roll.

[Poli]

Type in French, please.

[Danny]

Also does the wannabee therapist (if he wants a bee so much, just let him have a bee, damnit!) fool the sympathizer, or just the empathizer?

Just the Empathizer

[Passacaglia]

Type in French, please.

Can't -- none of my keys have accents.

[claphamsa]

o0k. im smashed. bad day.. I make as much sense as lthum tomorow, blame poli.

[Poli]

Type in Arabic, please.

[The Jackal]

o0k. im smashed. bad day.. I make as much sense as lthum tomorow, blame poli.

-ponder-

[Danny]

Internet went down there for a few, but back now to send out roles. I like keeping you guys waiting in anticipation.

[Danny]

Does the Sympathizer scan as a needie or a normal group member to the Empathizer?

The sympathizer does not scan as a needie because he isn't one, he just feels sympathy for them.

[Poli]

Does Poli Rule?

I'll answer that one.

Yes.

[claphamsa]

poli = savage garden best of hits :D

[Poli]

Fred Savage or Ben?

[Danny]

All of you slowly walk into the group therapy room, knowing that the time has come to face your inner demons and look inside in order to spur personal growth. There is however an eerie feeling amongst you that there may be some group members who do not want to share me with the rest of the group. Fortunately, all of you are unique and special in your own way and have something to contribute to see about making the group a place where everyone can cooperatively work on the growth of all members of the group.

As you all sit down, the smell of foul Jalapeno fills the small room as Lathum finds the door locked as he tries to quickly leave the area. As he looks back, he notices Passacaglia with a wide grin on his face. All roles are out, let the game begin!

First deadline is tomorrow, Wednesday at 6pm eastern time.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe here

[Abe Sargent]

I need to reread the ruleset

[Danny]

If there are any questions about your role, please don't hesitate to ask me via PM. And remember, no unlisted roles are to be revealed at any point to the group.

[Poli]

No dreamweavers?

[Autumn]

I'm here. I'm not going to start up my spreadsheet until tomorrow though.

[PurdueBrad]

So from a mining war to an asylum, man, I live one hell of a fun fantasy life.

[hoopsguy]

Evening, all.

[Barkeep49]

I never realized you could post in Sienna. Looks pretty similar to brown but with a little difference.

[Barkeep49]

No dreamweavers?
Greatest fake reveal EVER.

[Lathum]

role received

[Poli]

VOTE LATHUM

Just checking.

[Poli]

Greatest fake reveal EVER.
Quoted for hoopsguy.

[dubb93]

Greatest fake reveal EVER.

I must disagree. The goal of a fake reveal is to accomplish a goal which otherwise you could not accomplish, often for devious means.

Poli's goal with the reveal was to lynch Hoops without revealing as the seer. He failed...at both. Hoops was not lynched and Poli was night killed for being the seer. Worst fake reveal ever.

[Barkeep49]

The following message has been GM approved:

My role does not hurt, or help, the group members. I am on the group member side, however.

[Barkeep49]

I must disagree. The goal of a fake reveal is to accomplish a goal which otherwise you could not accomplish, often for devious means.

Poli's goal with the reveal was to lynch Hoops without revealing as the seer. He failed...at both. Hoops was not lynched and Poli was night killed for being the seer. Worst fake reveal ever.
You're right. Most fun reveal ever. But I don't want to get side tracked by that now that the game has actually, you know, begun.

[Lathum]

Vote Poli

[Poli]

Most fun reveal ever.
Also quoted for hoopsguy.

[hoopsguy]

Greatest fake reveal EVER.

Quoted for hoopsguy.

You cannot be serious. You did not even get your seer scan lynched that day :eek: And you died that night along with your partner.

Part of being "the greatest" anything should involve having some level of success with it :D

[Poli]

Vote Poli
2 l8. I alredy voted u, n00b.

[dubb93]

What was the game where I fake revealed and wasted a whole 3 days of the village's time lynching villagers? That was a solid fake reveal.

[dubb93]

Or the game where I fake revealed as a mafia and Lathum ate it up as the cultist.

[hoopsguy]

I must disagree. The goal of a fake reveal is to accomplish a goal which otherwise you could not accomplish, often for devious means.

Poli's goal with the reveal was to lynch Hoops without revealing as the seer. He failed...at both. Hoops was not lynched and Poli was night killed for being the seer. Worst fake reveal ever.

Thank you, Dubb.

In that regard, you had a doozy of a fake reveal as a sorceror (or whatever it was called in that game) that set off a chain reaction of villager deaths and protected the heck out of the wolves.

[Poli]

Hoops is mad he had to buy pizza. I rule.

[Poli]

Dubb's games made me believe the force was strong with that one.

[PurdueBrad]

As promised, my day 1 vote (for now)

vote RendeR's puppy

[Lathum]

Or the game where I fake revealed as a mafia and Lathum ate it up as the cultist.

that was one of the first games ever played. I think we were dowm to the final 3

[hoopsguy]

Well, as much fun as it would be to hijack this thread for the next hour on the merits of fake reveals (would make for a good thread, actually) I'm going to get some sleep so I'm rested up for our therapy session tomorrow.

[Poli]

C U @ D SILO, HO.

[Autumn]

The following message has been GM approved:

My role does not hurt, or help, the group members. I am on the group member side, however.

Is this meant seriously? If so, what does it mean?

[PurdueBrad]

I'm out of here for the night too, catch you in the morning.

[Danny]

As you all get started kind of late tonight, I point out to you the sleeping bags laid out on the floor that are available. Just be careful not to reveal your role in your sleep.

[Lathum]

so Poli, why the vote for me?

[Danny]

Is this meant seriously? If so, what does it mean?

Comments such as that will be allowed. It's really no different than everyone saying vanilla villager at the beginning of a game even though they could be a number of things.

[The Jackal]

Is this meant seriously? If so, what does it mean?

I'm pretty sure he means he has an unlisted role that's a group member but has additional win conditions and can't help or hurt the group. I say this because I have something similar.

[Barkeep49]

Is this meant seriously? If so, what does it mean?
It is serious. It means vote for me. Or don't.

[Poli]

so Poli, why the vote for me?
This is why.
I'm adding an additional role to my next game just for Lathum. You are Achilles- you are invincible from night kills and being lynched, except one vote from Poli results in your instant death.

[Lathum]

so why do you want me dead?

[Poli]

C U @ D SILO, LATHUM.

[Poli]

so why do you want me dead?
How many pictures from the last game do you want me to quote?

[Poli]

+ I want to see if Danny is seerius.

[Poli]

Danny, if Lathum is Achilles and dies I will give you the super mad fly props.

[Poli]

No more fun and games, it's time for Poli to hit the hay.

[Danny]

Lathum is wearing some high heel boots, so his survives this time. (not serious)

[Poli]

Tomorrow I may work on posting every word in the dictionary that starts with the letter Q.

[Poli]

Lathum is wearing some high heel boots, so his survives this time. (not serious)
I takes my props back.

[Poli]

UNVOTE LATHUM

Hmmph!

[Lathum]

How many pictures from the last game do you want me to quote?

so you don't like Lolcats?

[Lathum]

Unvote Poli

BAH!

[Poli]

so you don't like Lolcats?
You shouldn't have to askes this question.

[dubb93]

I'm not crazy about the deadlines for this one. Just noticed them. Seems I need to get a vote in tonight as I have training tomarrow at 1730 and it is hard telling what time I will actually wake up. May be a slow one for me tomarrow.

With all that said,

Vote Saldana

Welcome back again.

[Danny]

Would you guys prefer a later deadline (say 8 eastern) for the rest of this week and next until class starts back up again? I can still change it as I noticed a couple people have commented on it now.

[EagleFan]

That would be a better deadline for me, not sure about everyone else.

[EagleFan]

Good deadline, think 8 is a good deadline, good deadline....

[Abe Sargent]

I'm breezy

[Danny]

I made the change to 8pm eastern. Hopefully that will work well for everyone. When we come back from memorial break I will need to make it earlier, but that is a ways off.

[dubb93]

I made the change to 8pm eastern. Hopefully that will work well for everyone. When we come back from memorial break I will need to make it earlier, but that is a ways off.

Looks good.