MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[guayo10]

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Man been spinning my wheels all day trying to figure out how to make a deal work. The spreadsheet states some things for guys like Edwin Encarnacion that seems like overpaying (2 A's and 1 B) for him. Looked at Alexei Ramirez and it mentioned something like 2 B's and a C which again seems pretty steep. I took a peak at Adrian Beltre in Texas now what would it take to get him? I know the spreadsheet says that basically they wouldn't trade him because he's the cornerstone of their franchise (which I highly doubt seeing as 34 yr old 3B generally aren't cornerstones but I get the thinking behind it at least). Would a package that brought in a SP and an OF'er along the lines of Ethier make it work? Texas has the 4th worst ERA in the majors as a team, is struggling to get any production out of CF so it makes some sense to give them a solid bat in Ethier, a SP to help the rotation and maybe another piece that way they don't get worse overal while I fill a need. Like maybe Ethier, Uribe and a SP for Beltre? That make any sense or am I just reaching to try and make anything work lol?

Ha, no. Ethier has that 4 year contract in the game no? Also Uribe is worthless. I'd go with something like Lee + Seager + another low B for Beltre.

Edit: or you can go Pederson + Seager. That might be enough. But I think the Rangers would take Lee/Seager and a smaller piece.

[The Chef]

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Ha, no. Ethier has that 4 year contract in the game no? Also Uribe is worthless. I'd go with something like Lee + Seager + another low B for Beltre.

Edit: or you can go Pederson + Seager. That might be enough. But I think the Rangers would take Lee/Seager and a smaller piece.

The point of my trade isnt so Texas can get prospects as they are still trying to make a push for the playoffs so doing a deal like that makes no sense. The point is their offense isn't the issue and their pitching is. If they can bring in a serviceable bat at 3B, upgrade in CF and upgrade their rotation it seems like a solid move for 2 teams trying to compete. I suppose they can pray the 3-5 in their rotation suddenly gets hot and the offense can outscore everyone but seeing as Oakland is already 10 games ahead of them heading into July it would seem that its now or never as they are only 4 games out of the wild card currently. I'd prefer Beltre over everyone and quite honestly I'd have no issues trading Lee and Seager and another low B for Beltre but to try and keep things realistic I figured it was a little early for Texas to throw in the towel on the season and start a firesale.

EDIT - Yes, Ethier has a 4 year deal in the game. He's 31 and can hit RHP really well while Beltre has 2 years and is making $20M per year in that deal and he's 34.

[guayo10]

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The point of my trade isnt so Texas can get prospects as they are still trying to make a push for the playoffs so doing a deal like that makes no sense. The point is their offense isn't the issue and their pitching is. If they can bring in a serviceable bat at 3B, upgrade in CF and upgrade their rotation it seems like a solid move for 2 teams trying to compete. I suppose they can pray the 3-5 in their rotation suddenly gets hot and the offense can outscore everyone but seeing as Oakland is already 10 games ahead of them heading into July it would seem that its now or never as they are only 4 games out of the wild card currently. I'd prefer Beltre over everyone and quite honestly I'd have no issues trading Lee and Seager and another low B for Beltre but to try and keep things realistic I figured it was a little early for Texas to throw in the towel on the season and start a firesale.

EDIT - Yes, Ethier has a 4 year deal in the game. He's 31 and can hit RHP really well while Beltre has 2 years and is making $20M per year in that deal and he's 34.

Eh then why would they want to trade Beltre if they're trying to make the playoffs? That makes no sense.

Yeah this makes no sense to me at all. Do as you like. If you want to keep it realistic then look for another 3B as Beltre would more than likely not be available. They aren't trading him for a bad contract for 4 years and an older 3B with another year left who has no value. But again, it's your franchise do as you please.

[Matty86]

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30 team control is your friend lol


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I'm using 30 team control. Are you saying to go in and take them off the block? lol

[NJ2NC]

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Does Brett Gardner for Brandon Phillips seem fair. It is realistic because it was a big rumor in the offseason. I am willing to add a little more if needed.

[guayo10]

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Does Brett Gardner for Brandon Phillips seem fair. It is realistic because it was a big rumor in the offseason. I am willing to add a little more if needed.

How are they doing? A 1 for 1 is fine in my books. Unless Bphil is scorching hot and Gardner is hitting in the low .200's

[NJ2NC]

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One last trade question for now. Would it be possible as the yankees to get David price besides the fact me and Tampa are in the same division.

[guayo10]

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One last trade question for now. Would it be possible as the yankees to get David price besides the fact me and Tampa are in the same division.

Don't look too much into trading within the division. Maybe not with the Red Sox but if it benefits Tampa they'll do it. But to answer the question no. Yanks farm system is extremely weak.

[The Chef]

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Eh then why would they want to trade Beltre if they're trying to make the playoffs? That makes no sense.

Yeah this makes no sense to me at all. Do as you like. If you want to keep it realistic then look for another 3B as Beltre would more than likely not be available. They aren't trading him for a bad contract for 4 years and an older 3B with another year left who has no value. But again, it's your franchise do as you please.

So let me get this straight, it would be better for Texas to sit back, pray the bottom of their rotation can squeek them into the playoffs, march out a guy in CF who is batting .237 and just settle? The logic makes perfect sense, if you have an area of need, which in Texas is CF and SP you move a piece, in this case Beltre, gain a guy who isn't a total bum back and is an upgrade over the backup but get an immediate upgrade in CF and SP. If you don't like it that's fine, I was simply explaining my reasoning behind it and why I thought it might make sense in the overall scheme of things. Would it be better if I were to include Kemp instead of Ethier? He's only 29 and rated an 88 but not a chance I give up a major league ready arm on top of it then as they would be getting a younger player rated nearly as good as Beltre is which just means they don't get better at all in the end. Sometimes it's better to have production spread out then just one stud at one position and that's all my thinking was.

[guayo10]

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So let me get this straight, it would be better for Texas to sit back, pray the bottom of their rotation can squeek them into the playoffs, march out a guy in CF who is batting .237 and just settle? The logic makes perfect sense, if you have an area of need, which in Texas is CF and SP you move a piece, in this case Beltre, gain a guy who isn't a total bum back and is an upgrade over the backup but get an immediate upgrade in CF and SP. If you don't like it that's fine, I was simply explaining my reasoning behind it and why I thought it might make sense in the overall scheme of things. Would it be better if I were to include Kemp instead of Ethier? He's only 29 and rated an 88 but not a chance I give up a major league ready arm on top of it then as they would be getting a younger player rated nearly as good as Beltre is which just means they don't get better at all in the end. Sometimes it's better to have production spread out then just one stud at one position and that's all my thinking was.

I end it with do what you like man, it's your dynasty.

1) If the Rangers are still in the hunt why on earth would they move Beltre?

2) If the Rangers need to improve then they will trade prospects or other players for a CF or SP.

3) There are a lot of cheaper and better options for CF or SP out there, than trading Beltre for Kemp

4) You want realism, IF the Rangers are still in the hunt there is no way they trade Beltre

5) Do what you want it's your dynasty.

You began by offering Ethier + Uribe + ?, so I would say your logic is flawed just a bit. If you search for realism then look for another option. Good day and good luck on your quest.

Edit: if they need a CF why would you offer Ethier?

[The Chef]

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I end it with do what you like man, it's your dynasty.

1) If the Rangers are still in the hunt why on earth would they move Beltre?

2) If the Rangers need to improve then they will trade prospects or other players for a CF or SP.

3) There are a lot of cheaper and better options for CF or SP out there, than trading Beltre for Kemp

4) You want realism, IF the Rangers are still in the hunt there is no way they trade Beltre

5) Do what you want it's your dynasty.

You began by offering Ethier + Uribe + ?, so I would say your logic is flawed just a bit. If you search for realism then look for another option. Good day and good luck on your quest.

Edit: if they need a CF why would you offer Ethier?

So, who are the CF's that are rated better then an 88 that are out there exactly? By all means please enlighten me. I have no idea how you would even know if there is a better SP out there as I never even specified who the SP was that I would have moved in the deal. As for your edit, Ethier is actually playing a lot of CF in real life and has CF as a secondary position, doesn't take much to simply edit it around and make it his primary so he shows correctly on the Texas roster. You act as if I've somehow offended you directly by my mere question. From here on out I'll just use the sheet.

[mgcst5]

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Just a quick chime in. Teams don't typically trade star for star. Texas would definitely send prospects if they wanted Kemp. You can do what you want but if you want realism the Ranges only trade Beltre if they fall out of the race and in that case they want prospects.

[The Chef]

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Just a quick chime in. Teams don't typically trade star for star. Texas would definitely send prospects if they wanted Kemp. You can do what you want but if you want realism the Ranges only trade Beltre if they fall out of the race and in that case they want prospects.

Yeah I figured as much that's why I was trying to get creative in a way I thought provided value in areas of need for them so both teams could get stronger. Maybe I was incorrect in my thinking and thats fine and honestly I'd rather deal the prospects and keep Ethier or Kemp but wasn't sure if I could find a creative way to get it done still while improving both teams. Not a big deal, I was just hoping for some outside the box recommendations that maybe I hadn't thought of that didn't include prospects as I could trade for Alexei Ramirez or Edwin Encarnacion if all I wanted to unload was prospects. Appreciate the feedback, I'll wait it out and see if they slip further by the time the deadline gets here and then see what my options are at that time.

[k_mac]

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You act as if I've somehow offended you directly by my mere question. From here on out I'll just use the sheet.

I understand what you're saying, the back and forth type of attitude is unnecessary. I do think he was trying to help though. I wouldn't just use the spreadsheet, because most of the time you'll get good feedback in here, or guys will at least try to help you. From my experiences, that's always been nice.

But, I would think that Texas would look in other directions instead of moving Beltre in that situation. If LA wanted to move Either, they'd probably give up prospects to get him. And I think that move would be perfectly fine. To help their pitching staff, they'd look other places as well. If the Royals aren't contending, James Shields is an option. So are players like Jason Hammel and Jeff Samardzija. If Arizona isn't contending, I know they have a lot of SP depth, and could move a guy. I don't think they can really afford Cliff Lee and Either prospect wise, because their system would be depleted. But, there's more options in the SP market that can be had for cheap-ish.

[The Chef]

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I understand what you're saying, the back and forth type of attitude is unnecessary. I do think he was trying to help though. I wouldn't just use the spreadsheet, because most of the time you'll get good feedback in here, or guys will at least try to help you. From my experiences, that's always been nice.

But, I would think that Texas would look in other directions instead of moving Beltre in that situation. If LA wanted to move Either, they'd probably give up prospects to get him. And I think that move would be perfectly fine. To help their pitching staff, they'd look other places as well. If the Royals aren't contending, James Shields is an option. So are players like Jason Hammel and Jeff Samardzija. If Arizona isn't contending, I know they have a lot of SP depth, and could move a guy. I don't think they can really afford Cliff Lee and Either prospect wise, because their system would be depleted. But, there's more options in the SP market that can be had for cheap-ish.

No worries, appreciate your feedback and I'll just look to move prospects in deals when contending from here on out. Texas is 10 back in the division as is so if Oakland keeps it up and Texas falls off at all and out of the wild card then I'll consider sending them some high value pitching prospects to get a deal done.