MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Gagnon39]

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We talked on a CarGo deal last page, but I think Colorado is too close to go all in sell (judging on your dynasty page). I say wait until next year to get him, or get Sanchez. Or you could sell Soler straight up if he is a mid-high B.

Why wouldn't the Rockies be all-in on selling? They're last place in the National League West.

[k_mac]

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No chance of trading Alcantara. Especially not along with Jackson and Dunston (not that they're setting the world on fire). But all three of those and only Swihart in return. No possible way.

I can understand not wanting to get rid of Alcantara, and I don't blame you. But, the / in the trade is an either/or, not both. That's what the + is for.

[Gagnon39]

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I can understand not wanting to get rid of Alcantara, and I don't blame you. But, the / in the trade is an either/or, not both. That's what the + is for.

Oh, okay. That's much more reasonable. And if you're saying there's a way for me to deal Jackson and Dunston and get Swihart in return... um, yes, please.

Woops, okay, I see now. I'm giving up Alcantara and either Jackson or Dunston. I can't do that. I can't trade Alcantara.

[k_mac]

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Oh, okay. That's much more reasonable. And if you're saying there's a way for me to deal Jackson and Dunston and get Swihart in return... um, yes, please.

Woops, okay, I see now. I'm giving up Alcantara and either Jackson or Dunston. I can't do that. I can't trade Alcantara.

You could sub in Soler for Alcantara. The Dodgers don't have a real need for Soler, with Crawford and Ethier signed through 17 and Puig not going anywhere soon + Pederson waiting. The Cubs just showed us that too much of one position isn't a big deal for some front offices.

I guess if you want to get real creative, you can ship Ethier off during the offseason to someone like the Mariners, and call up one of Joc Pederson or Jorge Soler. Albert Almora could maybe work, since he's a ways off.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Hey guys, just finished my first season in my Yankees franchise. I'm doing 30 team control, so in the offseason I traded Shark and Hammel to the A's like in real life. What I am wondering is what it would take for me as the Yankees to grab Castro from the Cubs. I'm not the most familiar with the minors, so I am wondering what a fair deal would be for Castro.

Gary Sanchez would be required. How's he doing?

Honestly the Yankees don't really have anything the Cubs would be interested in for Castro. Yanks couldn't hack Samardzija, they can't get Castro either. Gary Sanchez has DH written on his forehead...no way an NL club takes that chance.

For whatever reason, I'm stuck on Swihart. His numbers are better than Vazquev in everything (except his overall ranking) and he's two years younger in my franchise. Swihart is 21 and Vazquez is 23.

Here's Olt's line, not a great average but he's been fair for me...

.228, 8 2B, 2 3B, 10 HR, and 31 RBI. His fielding rating is a 65 with a 59 in reaction. His secondary position is first base but I'd be he could transition into a corner outfield position.

I'm just done with Castillo. I can't stand him (on this game, or in real life for that matter). I'll keep him around for another year or two but I'd like to groom a new catcher to replace him. Again, if I was able to draft a catcher like the Cubs did this year in Kyle Schwarber then I'd be set, but I had to go with a starting pitcher with the fifth overall pick (not sure why I didn't have the fourth pick).

The Red Sox are currently 44-43 and 8.5 games out in the American League East. They're 4.0 games out of the Wild Card so a playoff birth is not something that's out of question by any means.

If they're outfield consists of Jonny Gomes in left (77 OVR), Grady Sizemore in center (71 OVR), and Shane Victorino in right (85 OVR).

It seems to me that they could definitely use a player like Emilio Bonifacio, who has been one of the better players in my franchise this year. He's hitting .267 and leads the Majors with 38 stolen bases.

Jake Arrieta is 5-4 with a 3.48 ERA. But I'm not interested in trading him unless it was a situation where I could get a real steal somewhere.

The problem is you're set on Swihart, which is fine, but you're only offering junk and spare parts that you don't want. That's the bigger problem. No combination of Mike Olt, Bonifacio, Barney, Veras, or Sweeney is going to get you a Top 5 spect in anyone's system. As I see it, you need to move on from Swihart, admit you're going to make an unfair trade and just do it, or open up to dealing more value away. Otherwise it's just going in circles.

He batted around .290 in Double A last year with I believe 20 some homers.

How well did Castro play the prior season?

Sanchez + Severino or Clarkin would be a good starting point.

I don't see it. A budding DH and middling pitching specs would not be enough to show for a 24 y/o multi All-Star that plays a decent SS.

What are the Red Sox looking for? To me it seems like they need outfield help, that's why I figured Bonifacio would be a good bargaining chip.

What about a three-team deal? I've been dead-set on getting Swihart for some reason. I guess I could settle on Sanchez, I don't know.

They might need OF help, but not a bargain basement player for a Top 5 spect.

[CameRoN0407]

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WTNY coming out in full force...

[WaitTilNextYear]

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WTNY coming out in full force...

Love it or hate it, I only do things one way, lol.

[k_mac]

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I agree that Castro is worth more than what the Yankees could offer, considering he's got a team friendly contract and his recent play. Just don't think that non-Cubs fans agree with that. Castro is my favorite player, so sometimes I think I overvalue him way too much. Apparently not. lol

But, if he had two straight years hitting .245-.255, would his trade value take a hit? I know Cubs fans were panicking after just one year of regression.

[Gagnon39]

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The problem is you're set on Swihart, which is fine, but you're only offering junk and spare parts that you don't want. That's the bigger problem. No combination of Mike Olt, Bonifacio, Barney, Veras, or Sweeney is going to get you a Top 5 spect in anyone's system. As I see it, you need to move on from Swihart, admit you're going to make an unfair trade and just do it, or open up to dealing more value away. Otherwise it's just going in circles.

I don't want to make an unfair trade and that's why I'm inquiring. I love these discussions and as much as I hate how the game takes away the negotiation process because of the poor logic, I feel like this back-and-forth kind of replaces it.

As far as Swihart, I don't want to move from that. I just think he's better. So the only other option you listed was to open up to dealing more value away. So, alright.

Was I reading things correctly when you all said Soler for Swihart straight up would be a fair deal? That's something I'd very, very strongly consider.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I agree that Castro is worth more than what the Yankees could offer, considering he's got a team friendly contract and his recent play. Just don't think that non-Cubs fans agree with that. Castro is my favorite player, so sometimes I think I overvalue him way too much. Apparently not. lol

But, if he had two straight years hitting .245-.255, would his trade value take a hit? I know Cubs fans were panicking after just one year of regression.

Sure, it would take a hit. But, I still think Castro is worth more than a 2nd rate Yankee farm system. They really have nothing coming through the pipeline aside from a trickle of back end SPs and RPs. Free agency is a mutha. lol

I've been a Castro defender as well so I don't purport to be unbiased, but I think all of us Cubs fans can agree that it's going to take knocking Theo's socks off with a major haul of specs to steal Castro away. There is literally no reason to sell low on a young guy who hits .300 for breakfast and plays SS.

I don't want to make an unfair trade and that's why I'm inquiring. I love these discussions and as much as I hate how the game takes away the negotiation process because of the poor logic, I feel like this back-and-forth kind of replaces it.

As far as Swihart, I don't want to move from that. I just think he's better. So the only other option you listed was to open up to dealing more value away. So, alright.

Was I reading things correctly when you all said Soler for Swihart straight up would be a fair deal? That's something I'd very, very strongly consider.

Glad you're taking the challenge and realizing that criticism is a good, productive, and non-personal thing! A good trade should really make you feel like you've lost something, and both sides are coming out ahead, then you know it's not lopsided. Unless you deal with the Phillies or D'Backs, then pillage and plunder all you want.

I think if you're offering Soler for Swihart, you are really on the right track. I'd double check with a Red Sox fan, but I think Soler for Swihart would be plenty fair and plenty useful. You could probably get another small piece back with Swihart imo just because Soler has a higher ceiling.

[k_mac]

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Soler isn't ranked as highly as Swihart, but it fits needs of both organizations.

I believe that if Soler had been healthy, he would have seen a jump in the rankings as well, just like Swihart. When Soler is healthy he tears the cover off the ball. We gave him plenty of time to recover from hamstring troubles early this year, so those shouldn't be a problem. Don't think he's injury prone either, because you don't fracture your tibia regularly in baseball, that was a freak injury.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Soler isn't ranked as highly as Swihart, but it fits needs of both organizations.

I believe that if Soler had been healthy, he would have seen a jump in the rankings as well, just like Swihart. When Soler is healthy he tears the cover off the ball. We gave him plenty of time to recover from hamstring troubles early this year, so those shouldn't be a problem. Don't think he's injury prone either, because you don't fracture your tibia regularly in baseball, that was a freak injury.

In the rankings, Swihart is ahead of Soler only because of injuries. The spreadsheet paints a clearer picture with Swihart at mid B and Soler at high B + high B + low B. Now, frankly, I think a pair of high B's is a little overkill, but I could see Soler being worth a notch higher of a B plus a secondary SP/RP piece in the 15-20 prospect range of the Red Sox farm system. I don't think anyone actually thinks that Swihart will be quite the offensive player that Soler should be, especially in the hitting for power dept. Plus the Cuban sluggers have a really, really good recent track record with Cespedes, Puig, and Abreu all being dominant right away.

[yanks22009]

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Honestly the Yankees don't really have anything the Cubs would be interested in for Castro. Yanks couldn't hack Samardzija, they can't get Castro either. Gary Sanchez has DH written on his forehead...no way an NL club takes that chance.

I don't see it. A budding DH and middling pitching specs would not be enough to show for a 24 y/o multi All-Star that plays a decent SS.

Thanks for your opinion. What is your thoughts on Ian Desmond from the Nationals? I'm not at the game right now but I know he struggled last year hitting in the .240s. Would it be possible for the Yanks to get him? Keep in mind this offseason the Nats signed JJ Hardy to a 2 year deal.

[Gagnon39]

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In the rankings, Swihart is ahead of Soler only because of injuries. The spreadsheet paints a clearer picture with Swihart at mid B and Soler at high B + high B + low B. Now, frankly, I think a pair of high B's is a little overkill, but I could see Soler being worth a notch higher of a B plus a secondary SP/RP piece in the 15-20 prospect range of the Red Sox farm system. I don't think anyone actually thinks that Swihart will be quite the offensive player that Soler should be, especially in the hitting for power dept. Plus the Cuban sluggers have a really, really good recent track record with Cespedes, Puig, and Abreu all being dominant right away.

Well, crap. Now you're making me not want to trade Soler. And yeah, I can take criticism and I welcome thoughts from other avid baseball fans. I'm just glad I found this thread before I reached the trade deadline. When the Twins accepted my offer of Jose Veras and Ryan Sweeney for Byron Buxton, I knew something was not quite right. I just didn't realize how bad the trade logic was I guess. I quickly hit, "edit, undo" on that deal.

Anyway, the reason I'm somewhat willing to let Soler go is because in my franchise we have a surplus of position players, obviously in the infield, but it kind of trickles over. Here's what I'm thinking for 2015-2017...

C Swihart
1B Rizzo
2B Alcantara
SS Russell
3B Baez
OF Bryant
OF Almora
OF Lake

Other options in the outfield include McKinney, and a long-shot is Brett Jackson. Also, Josh Vitters has really done surprisingly well for me this year and could still be around if he continues to improve.

So basically I feel like I have enough in the outfield and that could also be an area where I add a piece when need be through free agency. Soler is already 25-years-old compared to Swihart, who is just 21.

So if you guys think that's a fair trade, I think I may do this. I might wait until the offseason but I'm determined to get a good quality, young catching prospect. I just wish I had Kyle Schwarber.

[PistoleFoley]

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So I'm about two months into my season and in first place with the Cardinals. I have very little power production and just noticed the Orioles have placed Nelson Cruz on the trade block. Would the Orioles have any interest in Jaime Garcia? If so, what Cardinal outfielder could I pair with him to get Cruz? I'd like to dump Holliday if possible.