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  • Mackrel829
    MVP
    • Mar 2019
    • 1261

    #256
    Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

    Need a little help with a potential trade but I'm fairly deep into my franchise so bear with me whilst I explain some things.

    I just started the 2023-24 season with the Reds. I made the divisional round year one but lost, and was ravaged by injuries year two, with both Winker and Moose out for the entire season + other regular short term injuries. Finished fourth in the division. I traded for Trevor Story year one, have added a couple of other solid pieces along the way, and a couple of young players have been developing nicely. I have a very strong squad (5th overall) and want to push for a World Series this year. 10 games into the season, however, Suarez has broken his arm and is out for 2 months. I've lost another of my best bats and am determined not to have a repeat of last season.

    I scanned the trade block and the Yankees have Torres on there. He's far too good for me to trade for, but I went to check him out and noticed that they have DJ LeMahieu ahead of him, and he does look like a possible Suarez replacement. He's 34, and has 4 years left on his deal, each worth $10m. The Yankees lost Judge in FA during the off-season, and look as though they should be retooling. They have a stacked infield, and should be starting Torres at 2nd over LeMahieu for sure.

    LeMahieu is currently $-6m on BTV. I imagine he should have fairly significant negative value at this point in my franchise, especially given his age and contract situation. I'm not crazy about taking the contract, but need a bat to replace Suarez. Moose's deal expires this year too, so I could always let him walk and play LeMahieu at first from next season.

    Is there any information that I can give you that would allow you to estimate LeMahieu's value at this point in my franchise? Is there a realistic deal that can be arranged here? I was thinking of giving over a solid young prospect and getting LeMahieu and a lesser prospect back?
    Last edited by Mackrel829; 06-20-2021, 04:11 PM.

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    • bryanm1982
      MVP
      • Nov 2016
      • 3789

      #257
      Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

      I need some insight. I started a Braves franchise. And the last couple of years for some reason I always struggle pitching with Soroka. I don’t know why. His first start he gave up 5 runs in 5 IP. Part of me wants to keep him and have the challenge of trying to succeed with him. But then the other side he, we aren’t helping each other out and was wondering if he’d do better somewhere else. But I know it wouldn’t be a realistic to trade him I don’t think. What do you guys do if you always struggle with a certain player?

      If I do trade for him, I don’t know if I would just do a one for one swap with a comparable pitcher to another competing team (preferably in the AL). Or trade for a lesser pitcher and get a bullpen piece for him.
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      • kinsmen7
        MVP
        • Mar 2016
        • 1661

        #258
        Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by bryanm1982
        I need some insight. I started a Braves franchise. And the last couple of years for some reason I always struggle pitching with Soroka. I don’t know why. His first start he gave up 5 runs in 5 IP. Part of me wants to keep him and have the challenge of trying to succeed with him. But then the other side he, we aren’t helping each other out and was wondering if he’d do better somewhere else. But I know it wouldn’t be a realistic to trade him I don’t think. What do you guys do if you always struggle with a certain player?

        If I do trade for him, I don’t know if I would just do a one for one swap with a comparable pitcher to another competing team (preferably in the AL). Or trade for a lesser pitcher and get a bullpen piece for him.
        This is a tough one. Soroka's value is a bit skewed since he's actually out for the season IRL, which puts him at $25.5 (as opposed to his $50ish pre-season).

        If it were me, I'd keep him and try to figure it out. I had the same issue with Ryu for a few starts at the beginning of my Jays franchise, then after adjusting with him, I managed to turn in a Cy-Young type season (Think he finished 3rd). If you're planning on being competitive, you'll want a Soroka-type pitcher at the top of the rotation.

        Realistically, there's only two options (aside from keeping him)...you could package him for an upgrade, or trade him for prospects.
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        • kinsmen7
          MVP
          • Mar 2016
          • 1661

          #259
          Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Mackrel829
          Need a little help with a potential trade but I'm fairly deep into my franchise so bear with me whilst I explain some things.

          I just started the 2023-24 season with the Reds. I made the divisional round year one but lost, and was ravaged by injuries year two, with both Winker and Moose out for the entire season + other regular short term injuries. Finished fourth in the division. I traded for Trevor Story year one, have added a couple of other solid pieces along the way, and a couple of young players have been developing nicely. I have a very strong squad (5th overall) and want to push for a World Series this year. 10 games into the season, however, Suarez has broken his arm and is out for 2 months. I've lost another of my best bats and am determined not to have a repeat of last season.

          I scanned the trade block and the Yankees have Torres on there. He's far too good for me to trade for, but I went to check him out and noticed that they have DJ LeMahieu ahead of him, and he does look like a possible Suarez replacement. He's 34, and has 4 years left on his deal, each worth $10m. The Yankees lost Judge in FA during the off-season, and look as though they should be retooling. They have a stacked infield, and should be starting Torres at 2nd over LeMahieu for sure.

          LeMahieu is currently $-6m on BTV. I imagine he should have fairly significant negative value at this point in my franchise, especially given his age and contract situation. I'm not crazy about taking the contract, but need a bat to replace Suarez. Moose's deal expires this year too, so I could always let him walk and play LeMahieu at first from next season.

          Is there any information that I can give you that would allow you to estimate LeMahieu's value at this point in my franchise? Is there a realistic deal that can be arranged here? I was thinking of giving over a solid young prospect and getting LeMahieu and a lesser prospect back?
          Who do the Yanks have at SS? Because that's where the Yanks have Gleyber IRL. Have the Yanks already upgraded there? I wouldn't worry too much about the trade block in this game...the Yankees have Clint Frazier on there in my year two, after he hit .330ish with an OBP of .400ish, with 30 HRs in year one, and they don't have a ready made replacement for him...

          With Lemahieu, yeah, they might do something like you proposed there, but the Yanks aren't really a team that will ever have to worry about shedding a contract.

          IRL, DJ's contract is $15 mil per year...so the value already gets skewed a bit. Obviously it's hard to value what he'd be worth at that point, considering it's hard to project his remaining years, but when you hit free agency, 1 WAR will cost you around $8 mil. So technically, Lemahieu just needs to put up 5 WAR over those 4 years for his contract to be considered a reasonable deal. Obviously that's over simplifying things, and isn't really how the formulas work, but again, the Yankees aren't your typical "We're going to shed this contract!" team.

          *If* they're retooling (Yanks aren't going to rebuild...they'll just spend money on FA's when it gets to that point), I think you can look to their last retool for how they'd be looking to do it...Prospect-wise, they'd be looking for near-MLB ready talent.

          Honestly, I don't hate the thought of them moving him, as long as it makes sense to how the franchise typically runs.

          Edit: Honestly, if you polled Yanks fans, they'd be moving Gleyber for a SS upgrade.
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          • Mackrel829
            MVP
            • Mar 2019
            • 1261

            #260
            Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by kinsmen7
            Who do the Yanks have at SS? Because that's where the Yanks have Gleyber IRL. Have the Yanks already upgraded there? I wouldn't worry too much about the trade block in this game...the Yankees have Clint Frazier on there in my year two, after he hit .330ish with an OBP of .400ish, with 30 HRs in year one, and they don't have a ready made replacement for him...

            With Lemahieu, yeah, they might do something like you proposed there, but the Yanks aren't really a team that will ever have to worry about shedding a contract.

            IRL, DJ's contract is $15 mil per year...so the value already gets skewed a bit. Obviously it's hard to value what he'd be worth at that point, considering it's hard to project his remaining years, but when you hit free agency, 1 WAR will cost you around $8 mil. So technically, Lemahieu just needs to put up 5 WAR over those 4 years for his contract to be considered a reasonable deal. Obviously that's over simplifying things, and isn't really how the formulas work, but again, the Yankees aren't your typical "We're going to shed this contract!" team.

            *If* they're retooling (Yanks aren't going to rebuild...they'll just spend money on FA's when it gets to that point), I think you can look to their last retool for how they'd be looking to do it...Prospect-wise, they'd be looking for near-MLB ready talent.

            Honestly, I don't hate the thought of them moving him, as long as it makes sense to how the franchise typically runs.

            Edit: Honestly, if you polled Yanks fans, they'd be moving Gleyber for a SS upgrade.
            I would be happy to build a trade around LeMahieu for Jonathan India. He's been playing for me the entire time but as a platoon/rotational guy. He's a starting level middle infielder but I'm stacked there with Senzel, Story, Moose, etc. The only draft picks I've hit on have also been middle infielders.

            I haven't been on my PlayStation tonight so I'll check back in tomorrow and see who else the Yankees have. Might be a pass on this one for the reasons you alluded to though. The Yankees don't need to worry about $10m a year so the trade would really need to make sense for them.

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            • Mackrel829
              MVP
              • Mar 2019
              • 1261

              #261
              Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Mackrel829
              I would be happy to build a trade around LeMahieu for Jonathan India. He's been playing for me the entire time but as a platoon/rotational guy. He's a starting level middle infielder but I'm stacked there with Senzel, Story, Moose, etc. The only draft picks I've hit on have also been middle infielders.

              I haven't been on my PlayStation tonight so I'll check back in tomorrow and see who else the Yankees have. Might be a pass on this one for the reasons you alluded to though. The Yankees don't need to worry about $10m a year so the trade would really need to make sense for them.
              So in terms of infielders, the Yankees have:

              - Like Voit: 32/85/B
              - DJ LM: 34/94/A
              - Gleyber Torres: 26/92/A
              - Luis Guillome: 28/81/B
              - Gio Urshela: 31/85/B
              - 4 other players ranging from 74-78 OVR

              They're pretty stacked at 1,2,3 but have no-one at short. I could give them a SS prospect who is already better than their starter but I don't really know if I want to do that for super old LeMahieu. Torres is going to hit FA at the end of the season. Do you think it would be realistic for them to trade him?

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              • RogueHominid
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2006
                • 10900

                #262
                Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                I'm using LAD and want to get more contact/speed guys on the team.

                I've currently got more low vision, low contact, high power guys than I'd like and would like to see more of the old-school type of contact guy on my roster.

                I'd be willing to move off of good players to do so, but need some help figuring out which players of the type I seek are on teams where their role or value makes exploring a trade reasonable.

                I'd love to improve my contact at MIF and at the CIF/COF spots (one starter, one backup).

                If I could add 2 such players, one with an IF focus and one with an OF focus, that'd be ideal.

                What names come to mind, and what might be some reasonable starting points for compensation, so as not to abuse the system.

                There's not a ton of guys I'm married to keeping, though I certainly like Bauer and Buehler at SP and Betts, Seager, Turner at the plate.

                Grateful for any thoughts.

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                • kinsmen7
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 1661

                  #263
                  Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by RogueHominid
                  I'm using LAD and want to get more contact/speed guys on the team.

                  I've currently got more low vision, low contact, high power guys than I'd like and would like to see more of the old-school type of contact guy on my roster.

                  I'd be willing to move off of good players to do so, but need some help figuring out which players of the type I seek are on teams where their role or value makes exploring a trade reasonable.

                  I'd love to improve my contact at MIF and at the CIF/COF spots (one starter, one backup).

                  If I could add 2 such players, one with an IF focus and one with an OF focus, that'd be ideal.

                  What names come to mind, and what might be some reasonable starting points for compensation, so as not to abuse the system.

                  There's not a ton of guys I'm married to keeping, though I certainly like Bauer and Buehler at SP and Betts, Seager, Turner at the plate.

                  Grateful for any thoughts.
                  Obviously hard to say without knowing which teams are out of/falling out of the playoff race. Outfield-wise, Bryan Reynolds of the Pirates could be a target? Marte in Miami? Dahl in Texas is always sneaky good...

                  Infield-wise, you could always take a run at Story for a year? Obviously you'd have to adjust the crap out of your infield...Bryant could fill that CI spot for a season as well (And he plays LF...).

                  Let me know if there's any names that pop out at you, or anyone in particular that you're looking at and we can try to put something together.
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                  • kinsmen7
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1661

                    #264
                    Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Mackrel829
                    So in terms of infielders, the Yankees have:

                    - Like Voit: 32/85/B
                    - DJ LM: 34/94/A
                    - Gleyber Torres: 26/92/A
                    - Luis Guillome: 28/81/B
                    - Gio Urshela: 31/85/B
                    - 4 other players ranging from 74-78 OVR

                    They're pretty stacked at 1,2,3 but have no-one at short. I could give them a SS prospect who is already better than their starter but I don't really know if I want to do that for super old LeMahieu. Torres is going to hit FA at the end of the season. Do you think it would be realistic for them to trade him?
                    Weird...Gleyber is a SS in my franchise, and IRL...

                    But, I could see them moving him in a Chapman-type deadline trade, with the intention of re-signing him (Or upgrading if there's someone else available in FA?). As much as I dislike them, it's hard to imagine them getting outbid if they want him back.
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                    • Mackrel829
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2019
                      • 1261

                      #265
                      Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by kinsmen7
                      Weird...Gleyber is a SS in my franchise, and IRL...

                      But, I could see them moving him in a Chapman-type deadline trade, with the intention of re-signing him (Or upgrading if there's someone else available in FA?). As much as I dislike them, it's hard to imagine them getting outbid if they want him back.
                      You mean trade him away for a prospect and then just resign him in the off-season again anyway? Apologies but I'm pretty new to baseball so I don't know what a 'Chapman-type deadline trade' is lol.

                      I've just signed Castillo to a big deal that kicks in next year so I'm not sure I can afford to resign Torres if I end up trading for him anyway so might just stick Castellanos at third and suck it up for two months. I can take the hit defensively to keep a good bat at the position.

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                      • ClemsonTigers
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2021
                        • 13

                        #266
                        Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                        Thank you and any and all persons associated with this thread. I have followed this thread for awhile. I use brinskie11's no injuries roster for MLB 21 on ps4 pro. I play manage only mode. I'm doing a Boston franchise. For various reasons, I want to move Chris Sale and JD Martinez either together or in separate deals. What do you think would be a fair return for them together or separately? Thank you for any advice or comments.

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                        • Beastboy2335
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 78

                          #267
                          Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ClemsonTigers
                          Thank you and any and all persons associated with this thread. I have followed this thread for awhile. I use brinskie11's no injuries roster for MLB 21 on ps4 pro. I play manage only mode. I'm doing a Boston franchise. For various reasons, I want to move Chris Sale and JD Martinez either together or in separate deals. What do you think would be a fair return for them together or separately? Thank you for any advice or comments.
                          Unfortunately neither represent any decent value on the market. Sale's contract combined with his injury-ridden history makes it a negative value, but you may be able to get a similar return to what the Marlins got for Stanton thanks to his name. Martinez on the other hand is basically locked into an AL team due to his atrocious fielding and his value is also quite low, but not negative. The best scenario I could see is the Angels taking both in exchange for some lotto ticket type prospects to try to boost the playoff push for Trout.
                          Angels
                          DH JD Martinez
                          LHP Chris Sale

                          Red Sox
                          LHP Jose Quintana
                          OF Dexter Fowler
                          OF David Calabrese
                          RHP Oliver Ortega

                          If you wanted to deal them separately Philly may take Sale in return for their own bad deals, which would boost your return. (Struggled to find another partner for JD without details of your chise)

                          Phillies
                          LHP Chris Sale
                          OF Danny Santana

                          Red Sox
                          2B Scott Kingery
                          OF Odubel Herrera
                          OF Johan Rojas
                          RHP Adonis Medina

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                          • kinsmen7
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2016
                            • 1661

                            #268
                            Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Mackrel829
                            You mean trade him away for a prospect and then just resign him in the off-season again anyway? Apologies but I'm pretty new to baseball so I don't know what a 'Chapman-type deadline trade' is lol.

                            I've just signed Castillo to a big deal that kicks in next year so I'm not sure I can afford to resign Torres if I end up trading for him anyway so might just stick Castellanos at third and suck it up for two months. I can take the hit defensively to keep a good bat at the position.
                            All good!

                            What I meant by a "Chapman type deal", was that the Yanks had fallen out of the race the year that his deal was expiring. They traded him to the Cubs (Who ended up winning the World Series), in exchange for Adam Warren, Billy McKinney (Decently rated prospect at the time), and Gleyber! The Yanks followed that up by turning around and signing Chapman as a free agent less than 5 months later.
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                            • kinsmen7
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1661

                              #269
                              Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by Beastboy2335
                              Unfortunately neither represent any decent value on the market. Sale's contract combined with his injury-ridden history makes it a negative value, but you may be able to get a similar return to what the Marlins got for Stanton thanks to his name. Martinez on the other hand is basically locked into an AL team due to his atrocious fielding and his value is also quite low, but not negative. The best scenario I could see is the Angels taking both in exchange for some lotto ticket type prospects to try to boost the playoff push for Trout.
                              Angels
                              DH JD Martinez
                              LHP Chris Sale

                              Red Sox
                              LHP Jose Quintana
                              OF Dexter Fowler
                              OF David Calabrese
                              RHP Oliver Ortega

                              If you wanted to deal them separately Philly may take Sale in return for their own bad deals, which would boost your return. (Struggled to find another partner for JD without details of your chise)

                              Phillies
                              LHP Chris Sale
                              OF Danny Santana

                              Red Sox
                              2B Scott Kingery
                              OF Odubel Herrera
                              OF Johan Rojas
                              RHP Adonis Medina
                              I don't hate that Phillies trade one bit!
                              2025 Expos Expansion:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1295163793

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                              • ClemsonTigers
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2021
                                • 13

                                #270
                                Re: MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Beastboy2335
                                Unfortunately neither represent any decent value on the market. Sale's contract combined with his injury-ridden history makes it a negative value, but you may be able to get a similar return to what the Marlins got for Stanton thanks to his name. Martinez on the other hand is basically locked into an AL team due to his atrocious fielding and his value is also quite low, but not negative. The best scenario I could see is the Angels taking both in exchange for some lotto ticket type prospects to try to boost the playoff push for Trout.
                                Angels
                                DH JD Martinez
                                LHP Chris Sale

                                Red Sox
                                LHP Jose Quintana
                                OF Dexter Fowler
                                OF David Calabrese
                                RHP Oliver Ortega

                                If you wanted to deal them separately Philly may take Sale in return for their own bad deals, which would boost your return. (Struggled to find another partner for JD without details of your chise)

                                Phillies
                                LHP Chris Sale
                                OF Danny Santana

                                Red Sox
                                2B Scott Kingery
                                OF Odubel Herrera
                                OF Johan Rojas
                                RHP Adonis Medina
                                Thank you for your quick response. The reasons that you listed for Sale and Martinez are the reasons I'm looking to move them. As for my chise I do not use the DH, meant to put that in my original post. I play every pitch in a manage only mode chise. I do not use the DH. I also do not use the second base rule for extra innings. I also use brinskie11's roster for my franchise. If you need more info, please let me know. I do like both trade scenarios that you offered. Thanks for all of your help.

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