MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

[RogueHominid]

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Obviously hard to say without knowing which teams are out of/falling out of the playoff race. Outfield-wise, Bryan Reynolds of the Pirates could be a target? Marte in Miami? Dahl in Texas is always sneaky good...

Infield-wise, you could always take a run at Story for a year? Obviously you'd have to adjust the crap out of your infield...Bryant could fill that CI spot for a season as well (And he plays LF...).

Let me know if there's any names that pop out at you, or anyone in particular that you're looking at and we can try to put something together.

I really like both the Marte and Reynolds options & have a follow-up on Reynolds. Because of his age and talent level, I'm guessing PIT wouldn't be super eager to move him, even if they're not in direct contention this year. Is that fair?

Could you offer up some ballpark principles in terms of the types of assets it might require to move someone like Reynolds?

I'd take recommendations on Marte, as well, if some come readily to mind.

[ClemsonTigers]

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Unfortunately neither represent any decent value on the market. Sale's contract combined with his injury-ridden history makes it a negative value, but you may be able to get a similar return to what the Marlins got for Stanton thanks to his name. Martinez on the other hand is basically locked into an AL team due to his atrocious fielding and his value is also quite low, but not negative. The best scenario I could see is the Angels taking both in exchange for some lotto ticket type prospects to try to boost the playoff push for Trout.
Angels
DH JD Martinez
LHP Chris Sale

Red Sox
LHP Jose Quintana
OF Dexter Fowler
OF David Calabrese
RHP Oliver Ortega

If you wanted to deal them separately Philly may take Sale in return for their own bad deals, which would boost your return. (Struggled to find another partner for JD without details of your chise)

Phillies
LHP Chris Sale
OF Danny Santana

Red Sox
2B Scott Kingery
OF Odubel Herrera
OF Johan Rojas
RHP Adonis Medina

Also I should add that I use single team control. Also how do you trade for 4 players when there are only 3 spots available for trading players.

[kinsmen7]

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Also I should add that I use single team control. Also how do you trade for 4 players when there are only 3 spots available for trading players.

Ah...that's unfortunate...

Pretty much impossible to keep trades realistic unless you have either force trade on, or control 30 teams. The CPU typically values potential over anything else. If you were to use the trade finder feature, I'm pretty confident that you'd have a very solid MLBer with a big contract, and two very solid prospects back (Which isn't realistic...).

For a 4 player deal, you'd essentially trade the first 3 for Sale, then Santana for the 4th. Alternatively, if you were doing a 4 for 1 deal, there are two options...you could trade Sale for the first 3, then a scrub for the 4th, or trade Sale for 2 plus another body, then trade that body back for the other 2.

How far are you into your season? I'd absolutely recommend doing 30 team control if you want to avoid the inevitable Wander Franco for a C potential OFer trade. Very simple to set up, and you don't really need to worry about managing the CPU teams. It just enables you to reverse bad trades, and create realistic ones. A lot of us also use the feature to try and keep CPU rosters from being foolishly managed (ie. 3 catchers, 6 man bullpens, etc.)

[ClemsonTigers]

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Ah...that's unfortunate...

Pretty much impossible to keep trades realistic unless you have either force trade on, or control 30 teams. The CPU typically values potential over anything else. If you were to use the trade finder feature, I'm pretty confident that you'd have a very solid MLBer with a big contract, and two very solid prospects back (Which isn't realistic...).

For a 4 player deal, you'd essentially trade the first 3 for Sale, then Santana for the 4th. Alternatively, if you were doing a 4 for 1 deal, there are two options...you could trade Sale for the first 3, then a scrub for the 4th, or trade Sale for 2 plus another body, then trade that body back for the other 2.

How far are you into your season? I'd absolutely recommend doing 30 team control if you want to avoid the inevitable Wander Franco for a C potential OFer trade. Very simple to set up, and you don't really need to worry about managing the CPU teams. It just enables you to reverse bad trades, and create realistic ones. A lot of us also use the feature to try and keep CPU rosters from being foolishly managed (ie. 3 catchers, 6 man bullpens, etc.)

Thank you for comments and advice. I am just a two games into spring training. Have finally decided that this is the year I start and finish a season. Perhaps more than one season. We'll see how it goes. I'm willing to try 30 team control. Not really sure how that works. As for reversing a bad trade. I don't know enough about baseball to know if a trade is bad or not. I have heard how bad the trade logic is on The Show. That's why I decided to join operation sports so I could get advice from this and other threads. Any help you would be willing to provide would be gratefully appreciated and accepted.

[kinsmen7]

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Thank you for comments and advice. I am just a two games into spring training. Have finally decided that this is the year I start and finish a season. Perhaps more than one season. We'll see how it goes. I'm willing to try 30 team control. Not really sure how that works. As for reversing a bad trade. I don't know enough about baseball to know if a trade is bad or not. I have heard how bad the trade logic is on The Show. That's why I decided to join operation sports so I could get advice from this and other threads. Any help you would be willing to provide would be gratefully appreciated and accepted.

Cool! Welcome to the club.

30 team control is pretty simple, even if you're just using it from your own end to keep your own trades fair. If you're not worried about the rest of the league, you don't really need to worry about the other teams, as you can set all of their stuff up to Auto.

I have all of the other teams set up to deal with their own stuff, but will reverse the bad deals when I see them.

[ClemsonTigers]

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Cool! Welcome to the club.

30 team control is pretty simple, even if you're just using it from your own end to keep your own trades fair. If you're not worried about the rest of the league, you don't really need to worry about the other teams, as you can set all of their stuff up to Auto.

I have all of the other teams set up to deal with their own stuff, but will reverse the bad deals when I see them.

Thank you. I will set it up after I get home from work. Planning on taking the Phillies trade. Still want to move Martinez.

[DarthRambo]

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Coming up towards July in my season. I like to make all the trades myself for the "buyers" and "sellers". I go by team era and team batting average to determine if the buyers need a hitter or pitcher. Then I match them up with a selling team who has the hitter or pitcher they need using random number generator app to determine who gets the trade etc.

Anyways I wrote down a list of players to potentially be traded from the sellers based on division standings and their contracts.

For now will ask about two of the position players I have listed to trade and want some help with determining value.

3B Kyle Seager in Seattle and SS Trevor Story.
Is there a spreadsheet to help show how many A prospects said player is worth to get in return? If not, could I get some insight on these two for now. As I get through June I have others listed to possibly trade I may ask about later. Thanks!

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[kinsmen7]

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Coming up towards July in my season. I like to make all the trades myself for the "buyers" and "sellers". I go by team era and team batting average to determine if the buyers need a hitter or pitcher. Then I match them up with a selling team who has the hitter or pitcher they need using random number generator app to determine who gets the trade etc.

Anyways I wrote down a list of players to potentially be traded from the sellers based on division standings and their contracts.

For now will ask about two of the position players I have listed to trade and want some help with determining value.

3B Kyle Seager in Seattle and SS Trevor Story.
Is there a spreadsheet to help show how many A prospects said player is worth to get in return? If not, could I get some insight on these two for now. As I get through June I have others listed to possibly trade I may ask about later. Thanks!

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Kyle Seager has a surplus value of exactly $0. Somebody might give up a low level prospect, or change of scenery guy to shore up 3B for a bit, but they aren't getting much, if anything for him. This also doesn't take into account the fact that, because of a clause in his contract, Seager gets another year tacked on to his contract around $18 mil. Somebody like the Jays *might* be interested, but that's a lot of money to swallow for a 3B who is still fine defensively, but is a black hole offensively and has continued to decline.

Story is worth around $21.1 mil. There *should* be a number of teams in on him, but the return will likely be quantity over quality (See: Manny Machado trade from Baltimore).

If you give us a list of teams that are in the hunt and have a hole at SS/3B, we can try to figure something out

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I really like both the Marte and Reynolds options & have a follow-up on Reynolds. Because of his age and talent level, I'm guessing PIT wouldn't be super eager to move him, even if they're not in direct contention this year. Is that fair?

Could you offer up some ballpark principles in terms of the types of assets it might require to move someone like Reynolds?

I'd take recommendations on Marte, as well, if some come readily to mind.

Keibert Ruiz is the type of guy you would be looking at for a Bryan Reynolds trade. It makes sense for the Dodgers because they already have Will Smith as a primary catcher and Ruiz is the type of young impact bat at Catcher that would make the Pirates consider trading away one of their best young pieces. You would need to add pieces around Ruiz but he could definitely headline a deal like that.

For Marte that is just a rental. So it wouldn't cost as big of a prospect. Just spitballing but maybe a Zack McKinstry would work

[kinsmen7]

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Keibert Ruiz is the type of guy you would be looking at for a Bryan Reynolds trade. It makes sense for the Dodgers because they already have Will Smith as a primary catcher and Ruiz is the type of young impact bat at Catcher that would make the Pirates consider trading away one of their best young pieces. You would need to add pieces around Ruiz but he could definitely headline a deal like that.

For Marte that is just a rental. So it wouldn't cost as big of a prospect. Just spitballing but maybe a Zack McKinstry would work

Absolutely love the idea of Ruiz to Pittsburgh. 3 or so years down the line the future roster looks like (If players develop properly):
-3B Ke'Bryan Hayes
-SS Oneil Cruz/Liover Peguero
-2B Nick Gonzales
-C Keibert Ruiz
-1B???
-OF Travis Swaggerty
-OF Hudson Head
-OF Oliva???

Pitching-wise, things aren't so bright for the Pirates down the line, but man, in video game world where there's less of a chance that prospects will go completely bust, this is a solid, solid pool.

[DarthRambo]

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Kyle Seager has a surplus value of exactly $0. Somebody might give up a low level prospect, or change of scenery guy to shore up 3B for a bit, but they aren't getting much, if anything for him. This also doesn't take into account the fact that, because of a clause in his contract, Seager gets another year tacked on to his contract around $18 mil. Somebody like the Jays *might* be interested, but that's a lot of money to swallow for a 3B who is still fine defensively, but is a black hole offensively and has continued to decline.

Story is worth around $21.1 mil. There *should* be a number of teams in on him, but the return will likely be quantity over quality (See: Manny Machado trade from Baltimore).

If you give us a list of teams that are in the hunt and have a hole at SS/3B, we can try to figure something out

Thanks! It will be a bit but once I reach the Allstar break I'll have a fairly short list of teams by then and will post here to get suggestions.

One question about Seager...not in front of my game but I know his season stats are really good within my franchise. Would that increase his value any? And on the game he's due to be a free agent in 2022 so I was thinking he'd be a rental for somebody making playoff push. I don't think the game accounts for any clauses that would add a year to his contract.

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[Qb]

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I really like both the Marte and Reynolds options & have a follow-up on Reynolds. Because of his age and talent level, I'm guessing PIT wouldn't be super eager to move him, even if they're not in direct contention this year. Is that fair?

Could you offer up some ballpark principles in terms of the types of assets it might require to move someone like Reynolds?

I'd take recommendations on Marte, as well, if some come readily to mind.

I really like both the Marte and Reynolds options & have a follow-up on Reynolds. Because of his age and talent level, I'm guessing PIT wouldn't be super eager to move him, even if they're not in direct contention this year. Is that fair?

Could you offer up some ballpark principles in terms of the types of assets it might require to move someone like Reynolds?

I'd take recommendations on Marte, as well, if some come readily to mind.

Regarding Reynolds, the Pirates beat writer for The Athletic just touched on him in the latest mailbag. He said the front office let teams know it would take a lot to acquire him. So he's not untouchable, but they're not shopping him since he's still under team control for several seasons. And likely more importantly, it will be a couple years until arbitration makes his salary a concern.

As for what it would/should take, I'll defer to the value folks. With that being said, the Bucs are building for 2024-25. Generally, Cherington acquired high-ceiling players in the low minors, particularly pitchers. In Show terms, young guys with high potential but low overalls with a few slightly older, lower potential lotto tickets thrown in. Not saying Reynolds is worth a huge haul, just that's what Cherington's trades have mostly looked like.

[kinsmen7]

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Regarding Reynolds, the Pirates beat writer for The Athletic just touched on him in the latest mailbag. He said the front office let teams know it would take a lot to acquire him. So he's not untouchable, but they're not shopping him since he's still under team control for several seasons. And likely more importantly, it will be a couple years until arbitration makes his salary a concern.

As for what it would/should take, I'll defer to the value folks. With that being said, the Bucs are building for 2024-25. Generally, Cherington acquired high-ceiling players in the low minors, particularly pitchers. In Show terms, young guys with high potential but low overalls with a few slightly older, lower potential lotto tickets thrown in. Not saying Reynolds is worth a huge haul, just that's what Cherington's trades have mostly looked like.

I agree with a lot of this. Reynolds is arb eligible after this season, so as his contract gets larger, his value will (likely) start to drop (Though his year 1 raise won't be insane).

BBTV has his surplus value at $34.8, with the high end being $41.8. I honestly think that something between those numbers would be enough to move the stick a bit for Cherington, as realistically Reynolds is going to price himself out of Pittsburgh by the time they're competitive again (Or at least that's how Pitt has operated in the past...).

Just looking Dodgers-wise (Though I don't know where he'd really fit there...), a trade could look something like this:

Pitt:
Reynolds ($34.8)
Rodriguez ($10.9)

LAD:
Ruiz ($25)
Pepiot ($8.3)
Pages ($12.2)
Beeter ($5)

I wasn't going to include Rodriguez, but you can never have enough high end arms in your pen. The Pirates could probably get a slight overpay on both if they separated them, but if I was Pittsburgh, I'd be all over this.

[Qb]

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I agree with a lot of this. Reynolds is arb eligible after this season, so as his contract gets larger, his value will (likely) start to drop (Though his year 1 raise won't be insane).

BBTV has his surplus value at $34.8, with the high end being $41.8. I honestly think that something between those numbers would be enough to move the stick a bit for Cherington, as realistically Reynolds is going to price himself out of Pittsburgh by the time they're competitive again (Or at least that's how Pitt has operated in the past...).

Just looking Dodgers-wise (Though I don't know where he'd really fit there...), a trade could look something like this:

Pitt:
Reynolds ($34.8)
Rodriguez ($10.9)

LAD:
Ruiz ($25)
Pepiot ($8.3)
Pages ($12.2)
Beeter ($5)

I wasn't going to include Rodriguez, but you can never have enough high end arms in your pen. The Pirates could probably get a slight overpay on both if they separated them, but if I was Pittsburgh, I'd be all over this.

I don't know the Dodgers pieces well enough to evaluate how much they'd move the needle. Buy two thoughts:

1. I'm sure Ruiz+ for Reynolds would have their attention

2. I suspect Cherington would rather deal RichRod separately in hopes of getting a high-ceiling guy, albeit with a lot of variance.

[kinsmen7]

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I don't know the Dodgers pieces well enough to evaluate how much they'd move the needle. Buy two thoughts:

1. I'm sure Ruiz+ for Reynolds would have their attention

2. I suspect Cherington would rather deal RichRod separately in hopes of getting a high-ceiling guy, albeit with a lot of variance.

Agreed on both accounts. Brubaker isn't worth as much, but tagging a reliever onto Reynolds probably gets a solid return.