MLB The Show Trade Discussion Thread

[Miffy23]

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Hey all, I am running a Tigers franchise (I am still on MLB 20). I am looking at trading away J Schoop, W Ramos, Grossman or Mazara. I would be looking for a catcher of the future for sure (someone that could plug in this year or worst case next season). Probably an OF for the future, 1b, 2b/SS of future as well. I think catcher is the most important to get back though.

I don't have any stats or standings in front of me. I know I am in Mid to late May. Chi, Min & Det are top 3 central. NYY, bos and Tor lead the east. Hou, Sea are tops west. Atl leads east. Everyone else in east not doing that great. Cin leads cent, Chi and Mil are in the hunt. SD and LAD are tops in west.

I know Col, Pit, Wash, Stl, Arz, Tx, LAA, KC, Cle, Balt are on the bottoms of the divisions and out of it at this time. Balt, KC, Tx, Stl, Pit, Col are all over 10 games back.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Hey all, I am running a Tigers franchise (I am still on MLB 20). I am looking at trading away J Schoop, W Ramos, Grossman or Mazara. I would be looking for a catcher of the future for sure (someone that could plug in this year or worst case next season). Probably an OF for the future, 1b, 2b/SS of future as well. I think catcher is the most important to get back though.

I don't have any stats or standings in front of me. I know I am in Mid to late May. Chi, Min & Det are top 3 central. NYY, bos and Tor lead the east. Hou, Sea are tops west. Atl leads east. Everyone else in east not doing that great. Cin leads cent, Chi and Mil are in the hunt. SD and LAD are tops in west.

I know Col, Pit, Wash, Stl, Arz, Tx, LAA, KC, Cle, Balt are on the bottoms of the divisions and out of it at this time. Balt, KC, Tx, Stl, Pit, Col are all over 10 games back.

Any advice would be appreciated.

None of the players listed are good enough to land you a (insert position here) of the future. They could land you some middling prospects but no one will trade you a young catcher worth a damn for any combination of those guys.

[kinsmen7]

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Hey all, I am running a Tigers franchise (I am still on MLB 20). I am looking at trading away J Schoop, W Ramos, Grossman or Mazara. I would be looking for a catcher of the future for sure (someone that could plug in this year or worst case next season). Probably an OF for the future, 1b, 2b/SS of future as well. I think catcher is the most important to get back though.

I don't have any stats or standings in front of me. I know I am in Mid to late May. Chi, Min & Det are top 3 central. NYY, bos and Tor lead the east. Hou, Sea are tops west. Atl leads east. Everyone else in east not doing that great. Cin leads cent, Chi and Mil are in the hunt. SD and LAD are tops in west.

I know Col, Pit, Wash, Stl, Arz, Tx, LAA, KC, Cle, Balt are on the bottoms of the divisions and out of it at this time. Balt, KC, Tx, Stl, Pit, Col are all over 10 games back.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Of the four players that you listed above, the only one who has any degree of value is Grossman, who with a value of $5.6, would get you fringy prospect at best. Grossman has been non-tendered in 2-3 consecutive seasons, meaning that just about anyone could have tried to sign him during that time.

The most-liked Grossman trade on Baseballtradevalues.com is Grossman to the Yanks for Matt Sauer and Anthony Seigler. Not much of a return.

[smcamp3]

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I'm playing as the Blue Jays and need bullpen help badly. The Cardinals have Jordan Hicks on the block looking for a 1B and SP. What's a realistic trade for him? I was thinking of starting with Rowdy Tellez and TJ Zeuch and going from there

[HennyHefner]

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I'm the cubs in my currently franchise and was looking to add more starting pitching specifically Meads from Baltimore. I was wondering if trying to dump Hayward's bad contract and two high level prospects being either a B or A would seem fair.

[PikesPeakUC]

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I'm playing as the Blue Jays and need bullpen help badly. The Cardinals have Jordan Hicks on the block looking for a 1B and SP. What's a realistic trade for him? I was thinking of starting with Rowdy Tellez and TJ Zeuch and going from there

I don't think they'd be interested in Tellez with Goldschmidt's contract on the book. I would take a look at their needs and mix and match from there.

[PikesPeakUC]

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I'm the cubs in my currently franchise and was looking to add more starting pitching specifically Meads from Baltimore. I was wondering if trying to dump Hayward's bad contract and two high level prospects being either a B or A would seem fair.

If you want to be realistic, you would have to give away a top prospect just to dump Heyward's contract on someone, let alone get a young stud pitcher like Means.

It would take a lot to get Means. He's the best pitcher on the O's roster and has a ton of upside.

[kinsmen7]

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I'm the cubs in my currently franchise and was looking to add more starting pitching specifically Meads from Baltimore. I was wondering if trying to dump Hayward's bad contract and two high level prospects being either a B or A would seem fair.

Just as a follow up to @pikespeakUC's comment, Jason Heyward's value is -$56.2. Considering that the Cubs most valuable player (when it comes to SV) is Nico Hoerner @ $33.8, Heyward's contract is just about impossible to move.

I don't know how badly you want Means, but attaching Hoerner ($33.8), your top two prospects, Brailyn Marquez ($31.3) and Brennan Davis ($30.5), essentially gets you even on a trade for Means.

[Yankees31]

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Marlins franchise 2021. Within striking distance of the wild card in late July (5.5 games back) but this deal isn't about making a run this season. It's a move for now and the next 2-3. Blue Jays are hot and close to a wild card looking for controllable SP with Ray and Matz free agents at the end of the year. A's are slightly disappointing, a few games under .500 and 8.5 back in the wild card. They have decisions to make on Chapman and Olson with both in arbitration now. Here is my 3 team trade to maximize my return on Pablo Lopez while acquiring the controllable Matt Olson and a couple prospects, while shedding excess prospects that don't plan into my future (minus Max Meyer but you gotta give to get)

A's
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Burdick OF 10.2
Devers 2B 8
Diaz 2B 16.7
Diaz 1B 6.7
Kloffenstein RHP 4.5
Meyer RHP 29.3

Blue Jays
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Lopez SP 70.3

Marlins
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Groshans SS 40.1
Moreno C 24.2
Olson 1B 77.9

[kinsmen7]

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Marlins franchise 2021. Within striking distance of the wild card in late July (5.5 games back) but this deal isn't about making a run this season. It's a move for now and the next 2-3. Blue Jays are hot and close to a wild card looking for controllable SP with Ray and Matz free agents at the end of the year. A's are slightly disappointing, a few games under .500 and 8.5 back in the wild card. They have decisions to make on Chapman and Olson with both in arbitration now. Here is my 3 team trade to maximize my return on Pablo Lopez while acquiring the controllable Matt Olson and a couple prospects, while shedding excess prospects that don't plan into my future (minus Max Meyer but you gotta give to get)

A's
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Burdick OF 10.2
Devers 2B 8
Diaz 2B 16.7
Diaz 1B 6.7
Kloffenstein RHP 4.5
Meyer RHP 29.3

Blue Jays
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Lopez SP 70.3

Marlins
Name Position MTV ($Ms)
Groshans SS 40.1
Moreno C 24.2
Olson 1B 77.9

I don't know...I don't find it super realistic that you'd make a trade where you get the most valuable player, as well as the most valuable prospect in return. I get that you're giving up a lot in the deal, but it just seems unlikely that Oakland wouldn't want Groshans over Burdick/Diaz/Diaz/Devers. Lot of more quantity than quality going to Oakland (Meyer is nice though), and a lot more quality than quantity going back to you.

[Yankees31]

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I don't know...I don't find it super realistic that you'd make a trade where you get the most valuable player, as well as the most valuable prospect in return. I get that you're giving up a lot in the deal, but it just seems unlikely that Oakland wouldn't want Groshans over Burdick/Diaz/Diaz/Devers. Lot of more quantity than quality going to Oakland (Meyer is nice though), and a lot more quality than quantity going back to you.

Valid points. The reason why wouldn't the A's want Groshans is that the alternative to this deal would be just dealing Lopez to Toronto for Groshans,Moreno and Kloffenstein and Groshans won't be available to them.

So if I make this 2 team trade first, how do you then view the return to Oakland for Olson if it's those 5 Marlins prospects plus the blue Jays Kloffenstein? Meyer the headliner is a top 40 overall prospect in baseball. Using Ridins roster this is 4 A and 2 B prospects. The 3 team deal is to make the trades work in game with only 3 slots per side.

[kinsmen7]

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Valid points. The reason why wouldn't the A's want Groshans is that the alternative to this deal would be just dealing Lopez to Toronto for Groshans,Moreno and Kloffenstein and Groshans won't be available to them.

So if I make this 2 team trade first, how do you then view the return to Oakland for Olson if it's those 5 Marlins prospects plus the blue Jays Kloffenstein? Meyer the headliner is a top 40 overall prospect in baseball. Using Ridins roster this is 4 A and 2 B prospects. The 3 team deal is to make the trades work in game with only 3 slots per side.

If you're using 30 team control, you don't really need to worry about the 3 slots per side...just do 2 trades, and take a scrub or two back in return.

I wouldn't get super worked up about the in-game letter potential of players. Ridin's rosters typically have prospects rated extremely high (Not a critique of his rosters, just a note).

Re: Your question, I see it as a very weird move. You trade away one of your top starters for prospects, then turn around and trade for one of the top 1B's in baseball.

I just don't see Oakland accepting Meyer as a headliner. To me, you've gotta be giving up higher end prospects vs. a mish-mash of mid-tiered prospects/lower end young MLBers.

With Pablo, he was rated $51ish a month ago. I also have a hard time believing that someone would blow their prospect load at a $19ish mil spike in value over a 7 start/39.1 inning sample of solid play, when there are other controlled starters out there (See: Marquez) who have had a much more sustained level of success.

I just don't see how you upgrade the top end of your farm here (Groshans would be your new #2 until Sixto, Moreno would be #3-4ish?), plus get one of the best 1B's in baseball, by giving up your current #3, and a pitcher whose value seems to be inflated off of a small sample size...I get that there's other value going to Oakland, but I just don't see them being super fired up about the quantity part of it...IMO, Toronto can do better than Lopez (Though I don't absolutely hate it), and Oakland can get a much better return on Olson.

If you love it, do it, I just don't see it as being super realistic to have so many "meh" players involved.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Valid points. The reason why wouldn't the A's want Groshans is that the alternative to this deal would be just dealing Lopez to Toronto for Groshans,Moreno and Kloffenstein and Groshans won't be available to them.

So if I make this 2 team trade first, how do you then view the return to Oakland for Olson if it's those 5 Marlins prospects plus the blue Jays Kloffenstein? Meyer the headliner is a top 40 overall prospect in baseball. Using Ridins roster this is 4 A and 2 B prospects. The 3 team deal is to make the trades work in game with only 3 slots per side.

I understand BTV has Pablo Lopez at that $70 million number you used but I have tried multiple times and can't come up with a way to get that high. Makes no sense to me that BTV has him at a high value than Alcantara or Trevor Rogers or Sixto Sanchez

[kinsmen7]

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I understand BTV has Pablo Lopez at that $70 million number you used but I have tried multiple times and can't come up with a way to get that high. Makes no sense to me that BTV has him at a high value than Alcantara or Trevor Rogers or Sixto Sanchez

Yeah, it's kind of confusing...I assumed it was based on his production so far this year, but Rogers has obviously been better to this point of the season.

I just sent an email to the guy who runs the site. Maybe he can give us some insight.

[kinsmen7]

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Here's the response:

Thanks for the kind words. The first point is that we focus on expected stats and underlying metrics, because they give the best read on what a team could expect from a player if they're trading for him. Lopez's expected stats have been better and more consistent than Alcantara's. Both are also in the sweet spot of trade value, which tends to be the third pre-arb year. They've hit their stride, but are still incredibly cheap and under control for multiple years.

Sixto and Rogers are less proven. For players with less than two years of active playing time, our model blends forward-looking MLB stats (as noted above) with prospect valuations, prorated based on the amount of MLB time. This is to represent the typical adjustment period of young players, as the league figures them out and vice-versa. It also guards against the one-hit wonder scenario -- you don't want to put too much stock in a hot debut because they haven't been fully tested yet (see: Aristides Aquino, Shane Spencer, etc., who started out like gangbusters, but then crashed when the inevitable adjustment period kicked in. If both Sixto and Rogers prove they can sustain a high level of performance at the MLB level over their first two years, their value will go up accordingly, a bit at a time each month. If not, it will go down. In Sixto's case, his injury has stalled his progress a bit.

Hope that helps.

John