Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the Show

[ChaseB]

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Folks, if the argument you're making is that women shouldn't be in the game because it's not realistic.

Don't.

If the argument you're making is that it could be done better than it was.

Do.

If the argument you're making is that resources could have been allocated elsewhere.

Do, but, ya know, be careful.

If the argument you're making is that franchise mode didn't get resources because of this.

Don't. We literally have years now of the same thing happening either way.

If your post includes things like "virtue signaling" or comparing this to Marvel movies, or whatever other ways you want to try and tip toe around saying what ya really wanna say.

Don't.

I think that mostly covers it. I continue to want to leave this thread open because the discussion should happen, and this isn't THAT caustic anymore, but we're still kind of walking a fine line.

Also, let's leave "data" out of this or saying things like "look at the feedback on social platform W" -- you're in a bubble regardless of where you go (that's just the modern internet), and most platforms serve you either what you already are interested in seeing or specifically something to get you to respond (assuming the platform is even remotely good at its job).

[DonkeyJote]

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First off let's be realistic here. No female is every playing pro ball. Just not going to happen. So right there that turns in into a fantasy. Sure, it happened back long time ago in the Negro Leagues. Different time, different place.

Let's be accurate here. There have been, and currently are, women who play pro ball. If you want to say no woman is ever going to play in the majors, that's a different story. Personally, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. I don't think a woman is going to hit 40 HR, but if we can have guys who are like 5'6" hitting 30+ HR and being All-Stars, I don't see why it's impossible that an exceptionally athletic woman could possibly make it. They haven't because the best female players are funneled into softball. But this isn't basketball or football where there is a certain size and speed combination that women aren't going to be able to hit. It's baseball, where that stuff matters a lot less.

But as far a pro ball, it's not a hypothetical, it's something that has actually happened.

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[ZachenFoot]

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Let's be accurate here. There have been, and currently are, women who play pro ball. If you want to say no woman is ever going to play in the majors, that's a different story. Personally, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. I don't think a woman is going to hit 40 HR, but if we can have guys who are like 5'6" hitting 30+ HR and being All-Stars, I don't see why it's impossible that an exceptionally athletic woman could possibly make it. They haven't because the best female players are funneled into softball. But this isn't basketball or football where there is a certain size and speed combination that women aren't going to be able to hit. It's baseball, where that stuff matters a lot less.

But as far a pro ball, it's not a hypothetical, it's something that has actually happened.

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Women also have a rich history in baseball. Here in Fort Wayne, Indiana the TinCaps are always honoring the old Daisies team. Heck I'm wearing my Daises shirt right now!

It'd be cool if eventually we get a storylines deal with that history, because real women played real baseball and most people don't know their names, but in the spirit of a discussion in another thread, if this is a way to slowly introduce something like that down the line I think it's great.

[LegendKillerOne]

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[QUOTE=DonkeyJote;2050889787]Let's be accurate here. There have been, and currently are, women who play pro ball. If you want to say no woman is ever going to play in the majors, that's a different story. Personally, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. I don't think a woman is going to hit 40 HR, but if we can have guys who are like 5'6" hitting 30+ HR and being All-Stars, I don't see why it's impossible that an exceptionally athletic woman could possibly make it. They haven't because the best female players are funneled into softball. But this isn't basketball or football where there is a certain size and speed combination that women aren't going to be able to hit. It's baseball, where that stuff matters a lot less.

But as far a pro ball, it's not a hypothetical, it's something that has actually happened.

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Fair enough

[LegendKillerOne]

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But anyway regardless I like most am preordered and ready to rock and roll and lose 90 plus games in franchise with the Mets. So let's get to the 15th fast.

[inkcil]

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Let's be accurate here. There have been, and currently are, women who play pro ball. If you want to say no woman is ever going to play in the majors, that's a different story. Personally, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. I don't think a woman is going to hit 40 HR, but if we can have guys who are like 5'6" hitting 30+ HR and being All-Stars, I don't see why it's impossible that an exceptionally athletic woman could possibly make it. They haven't because the best female players are funneled into softball. But this isn't basketball or football where there is a certain size and speed combination that women aren't going to be able to hit. It's baseball, where that stuff matters a lot less.

But as far a pro ball, it's not a hypothetical, it's something that has actually happened.

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A lot of us (including myself) have been giving our opinions for 50-plus pages, so thanks/props to you and ZachenFoot for actually dropping some history/knowledge/facts.

Gonna be a good time no matter how we choose to play, and my apologies for harping on this, but SCEA gotta have this feature set up so you can have more than one woman on the field at a time. A patch maybe?

[Ghost Of The Year]

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If someone with a body type like Freddie Patek can play major league baseball, I'm pretty sure at some point a woman will too.But instead of playing shortstop, I figure she's more likely to play second base. She may or not hit 41 homers like Freddie the Flea, but the amount of 100 mph heaters thrown nowadays, I'm sure a woman could hit 40 out too. The such high velocity of a fastball is going to do part of the job for her. And if you've seen some of the female bodybuilders, you already know some of them can lift more weight than some men in baseball. I just hope the first woman to play isn't so strongly motivated as guys like Bonds or more recent guys like Tatis Jr or Robby Cano that they feel pressure to take an easy shortcut.

Also, I'm assuming it took no more time to add a woman body type than it did to add Retro mode.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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You can google this, and the first result that pops up will point to a 2017 study which found that girls (who already make up a minority of the gaming population) are less likely to play sports games than any other genre. It is literally the least represented genre in video games by the opposite sex (The survey found that 98% of sports gamers are male which should not be surprising.). So, before directing any kind baseless accusations at people, let's all understand that reality.

I have no problem with a girl being in RTTS, or even franchise (if it can be toggled) because these games are about creating our own fictional universes.

However, we often like to remind ourselves and give ourselves reality checks that us at OS and other online communities represent a minority of the audience for sports games these days. It is that reality check that, although frustrating, helps us to understand why we don't see improvements to the game modes that we like. So, it's pretty crazy that anyone would pick at people being frustrated at the fact that SDS spent development resources on an almost non-existent minority in their game while offering very little to their existing yet very frustrated audience.

I might not have looked at the same study you're referring to but the 2017 study I googled says, at that time, 48% of women play video games. This was a study from Pew Research Center. :shrug:

[dubcity]

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The degree to which people are trying to muddy the waters when it comes the differences between men and women as competitive athletes, how they are built, muscle/bone density, etc is wild. It's not like it's a close race. If you think a male athlete at the same height and weight as a female athlete doesn't still have a huge advantage, idk what to say. Have them stand at home plate and then run to first. That will give you a hint.

I don't know if it's more of an (ignorant) knock on the sport of baseball as not being athletic or physically demanding, or wanting to feel good about empowering and defending a specific group of people. Either way it's fantasy. Let's just stick to it happening in a video game, and wondering how fun that may be to watch or play.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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The degree to which people are trying to muddy the waters when it comes the differences between men and women as competitive athletes, how they are built, muscle/bone density, etc is wild. It's not like it's a close race. If you think a male athlete at the same height and weight as a female athlete doesn't still have a huge advantage, idk what to say. Have them stand at home plate and then run to first. That will give you a hint.

I don't know if it's more of an (ignorant) knock on the sport of baseball as not being athletic or physically demanding, or wanting to feel good about empowering and defending a specific group of people. Either way it's fantasy. Let's just stick to it happening in a video game, and wondering how fun that may be to watch or play.

That's another of many things that interests me in baseball (as well as other sports but most particularly baseball) and that's the many varying body types like say, a Pedro Martinez and a Randy Johnson, or a CC Sabathia and David Eckstein. I would like to see a foot race between Eckstein and CC from home to first, surely there's no way little David could beat the giant CC.

Edit - I don't know how Olivia Pichardo is pulling it off at Brown University. Physically it should be impossible in theory, but somehow reality tells a different story.
Or Eri Yoshida in Japan.
Or Genevieve Beacom in Australia.

Women aren't ready yet to play with men, and neither yet are some men ready for women to play with them.

[KSUowls]

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I might not have looked at the same study you're referring to but the 2017 study I googled says, at that time, 48% of women play video games. This was a study from Pew Research Center. :shrug:

I posted the link on post #416, but I probably should have clarified the string to search in google "number of women who play sports video games" instead of just the aggregate. So, it's there if anyone is interested, but I'll leave it at that as we are supposed to avoid any in depth talk of data though.

[DonkeyJote]

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The degree to which people are trying to muddy the waters when it comes the differences between men and women as competitive athletes, how they are built, muscle/bone density, etc is wild. It's not like it's a close race. If you think a male athlete at the same height and weight as a female athlete doesn't still have a huge advantage, idk what to say. Have them stand at home plate and then run to first. That will give you a hint.

I don't know if it's more of an (ignorant) knock on the sport of baseball as not being athletic or physically demanding, or wanting to feel good about empowering and defending a specific group of people. Either way it's fantasy. Let's just stick to it happening in a video game, and wondering how fun that may be to watch or play.

In women's basketball, there are women who are bigger than the smallest NBA players, and there are women who are quicker than the slowest, and there are women who are more skilled than some NBA players. There's just no one that has the combination of those things, and it's probably not possible. Same goes for football, hockey, and soccer.

But baseball is different. Because you don't need an aggregate of all of those things. If all you can do is run and play defense, there's a role for you. If all you can do is put the ball in play, there's a role for you (hell, Luis Arraez was an All Star who doesn't have power, plays poor defense, and isn't fast).

So, yes, a 5'6" woman is probably not going to hit 30 HR or steal as many bases as an Ozzie Albies. But, I also don't think it's outlandish for an exceptionally athletic and talented woman could have just enough power and just defensive ability to make it. Or maybe just throws 90-92 mph, but has good movement and good command of multiple pitches.

I always thought that the most likely way would be as something like a knuckleball pitcher.

Baseball is really the only major sport that I think this could happen. And it's not that you don't need to be a great pure athlete to play baseball. You do. It's just you don't necessarily need to be an exceptional pure athlete to be really good at baseball.

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[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

In women's basketball, there are women who are bigger than the smallest NBA players, and there are women who are quicker than the slowest, and there are women who are more skilled than some NBA players. There's just no one that has the combination of those things, and it's probably not possible. Same goes for football, hockey, and soccer.

But baseball is different. Because you don't need an aggregate of all of those things. If all you can do is run and play defense, there's a role for you. If all you can do is put the ball in play, there's a role for you (hell, Luis Arraez was an All Star who doesn't have power, plays poor defense, and isn't fast).

So, yes, a 5'6" woman is probably not going to hit 30 HR or steal as many bases as an Ozzie Albies. But, I also don't think it's outlandish for an exceptionally athletic and talented woman could have just enough power and just defensive ability to make it. Or maybe just throws 90-92 mph, but has good movement and good command of multiple pitches.

I always thought that the most likely way would be as something like a knuckleball pitcher.

Baseball is really the only major sport that I think this could happen. And it's not that you don't need to be a great pure athlete to play baseball. You do. It's just you don't necessarily need to be an exceptional pure athlete to be really good at baseball.

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I'm not sure about a woman pitcher. I think the 60 foot 6 inch distance mound to home may be a bit much to overcome. I could be wrong tho. And I also don't believe there will ever be a time where every team has a woman player or any team has multiple women. But I can see there being a handful of women but that's probably at least 50 years away. If we're putting it in Jackie Robinson terms, he made it in 1947, so right now we're in about 1897 mindset about women players.

[knich1]

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I can't believe THE SHOW put the amount of resources it did in to adding a female player. I have no idea how many women play THE SHOW, but they are openly praising the woman who inspired this massive overhaul. Have you seen her pro stats? She can't hit or pitch....yet they call her the Ohtani. Perhaps I am missing something?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=whitmo000kel

I am all for women players who can play MLB but using this person as the basis for spending the resources is a head scratcher when so much still can be improved in the base game.

[ZachenFoot]

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I can't believe THE SHOW put the amount of resources it did in to adding a female player. I have no idea how many women play THE SHOW, but they are openly praising the woman who inspired this massive overhaul. Have you seen her pro stats? She can't hit or pitch....yet they call her the Ohtani. Perhaps I am missing something?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=whitmo000kel

I am all for women players who can play MLB but using this person as the basis for spending the resources is a head scratcher when so much still can be improved in the base game.

"She can't hit or pitch" huh. Same excuse that's been used to keep women out of various aspects of the game for centuries, from broadcasting to front office roles to, apparently, the fictional space of video games.

Good news is the world is changing and your concern about her pro stats or whatever has already been deemed irrelevant. It's weird that you're willing to reach this deep in order to (badly) justify having a problem with it.

There's no reason to tear this woman down for successfully getting a new feature added to the game. A pro male player has never achieved getting even your favorite feature added to the game.