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  • The Chef
    Moderator
    • Sep 2003
    • 13684

    #136
    Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

    Originally posted by Blzer
    I just think that Pitcher Control at 0 is simply far too low. If they don't pitch enough corners, they'll be serving way too many over the plate. That's why you had those numbers against Garland (and I'm actually surprised the manager kept him in for that long). Remember, you want to "calibrate" this so that it seems appropriate against aces, because when you face #5 starters you're not averaging 12 runs a game.
    I agree to an extent but at the same time Im a swing only player meaning I dont utilize the left stick at all so I have to have a little more to swing at otherwise Im going to be swinging at corner pitches all game and either hitting dribblers or fouling them off. Do you use the left stick when hitting?

    EDIT- So you think they left Garland in the game too long? I guess raising manager hook would eleviate this but those 6 runs didnt come in one inning either as I added some after he was pulled with runners on that were credited towards him.
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    • gallandro
      Pro
      • Jul 2003
      • 526

      #137
      Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

      I've been using:

      CPU Pitcher Control -1(4)
      CPU Strike Frequency -1(4)

      Fouls for Human and CPU +1(6)

      ...and getting good results. #1 and 2 pitchers in the rotation still have their stuff. Pitch counts are good, and good pitcher/batter battles.

      I agree that CPU Control at 0 and Strike Frequency lowered too much results in too many fat pitches over the plate.


      Yancy
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      • pbz06
        Banned
        • Oct 2008
        • 1504

        #138
        Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

        I just played against Brandon Webb.

        6 IP, 9 hits, 2 BB, 2 ER (3 total), 1 triple...strikes were 70% even

        I touched up the bullpen (Rauch) a bit for 2 doubles and a couple of singles in the 9th.

        I'm still stuck at deciding whether I should lower CPU control, or keep it how it is with CPU control at default but keep the low the CPU strike frequency to 0 (-5). I'm still liking the results too much to abandon it quite yet

        I feel like their control is fine at default (or at the very least be lowered only a little bit, like 1 or 2 clicks), and it's just a matter of tuning the strike frequency....I need to play a lot more games

        p.s.- I use the left stick to hit. My hitting is miserable if I swing only.
        Last edited by pbz06; 03-14-2009, 09:21 PM.

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42520

          #139
          Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

          Originally posted by The Chef
          I agree to an extent but at the same time Im a swing only player meaning I dont utilize the left stick at all so I have to have a little more to swing at otherwise Im going to be swinging at corner pitches all game and either hitting dribblers or fouling them off. Do you use the left stick when hitting?

          EDIT- So you think they left Garland in the game too long? I guess raising manager hook would eleviate this but those 6 runs didnt come in one inning either as I added some after he was pulled with runners on that were credited towards him.
          It wasn't the 6 runs as much as the 6 runs with those 4 walks. 3.2 innings is a late pull IMO, but that just may be me. Honestly, I would at least let the guy finish the inning if he went that long to begin with.

          As for your issue, I suggest raising the Solid Hits slider instead. That way you still get those corner pitches, but you can still get decent contact. I only prefer corner pitching because it's tougher to determine balls from strikes, so it's not so black and white.
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          • pbz06
            Banned
            • Oct 2008
            • 1504

            #140
            Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

            By the way, what is the average strike % for top tier pitchers? What about average pitchers?

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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42520

              #141
              Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

              Originally posted by pbz06
              I just played against Brandon Webb.

              6 IP, 9 hits, 2 BB, 2 ER (3 total), 1 triple...strikes were 70% even

              I touched up the bullpen (Rauch) a bit for 2 doubles and a couple of singles in the 9th.

              I'm still stuck at deciding whether I should lower CPU control, or keep it how it is with CPU control at default but keep the low the CPU strike frequency to 0 (-5). I'm still liking the results too much to abandon it quite yet

              I feel like their control is fine at default (or at the very least be lowered only a little bit, like 1 or 2 clicks), and it's just a matter of tuning the strike frequency....I need to play a lot more games

              p.s.- I use the left stick to hit. My hitting is miserable if I swing only.
              Man, you did much better than I did in my game against Webb. LOL well not much, but you know what I mean. Here was my line:





              Against him though, he had 7 2/3 innings of work with 6 hits, 1 earned run and maybe 7 strikeouts. He was victorious through the double play all night, maybe 4 of those.
              Last edited by Blzer; 03-15-2009, 03:27 AM.
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              • pbz06
                Banned
                • Oct 2008
                • 1504

                #142
                Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                I'm going to try another game right now with the same setup.

                All-Star
                Blzr's Global slider changes
                Human/CPU sliders at Default, except for CPU strike Frequency to -5


                Results to be posted within the hour

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                • gallandro
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 526

                  #143
                  Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                  Originally posted by pbz06
                  By the way, what is the average strike % for top tier pitchers? What about average pitchers?
                  The average strike percentage among big league pitchers last year was around 63%, but that number goes down to about 51% when you exclude pitches that would have been called a ball if the batter had not swung at it.
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                  • The Chef
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 13684

                    #144
                    Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                    Ok, I played my game against Arizona and Brandon Webb with familiar results, Webb pitched well and the bullpen went to **** the moment they came in the game. Here are some stats...

                    Brandon Webb
                    - Threw a first pitch strike to 15 of the 26 batters he faced (57.7%), so having strike frequency at 1 doesnt seem to have killed good pitchers obviously.
                    - Webb's final line looked like the following, (7.0 IP, 2 Earned on 3 Hits, 6 Strikeouts and 2 Walks) My team went 3/26 off of Webb or .115 batting average wise so clearly I wasnt hammering him.

                    Bullpen
                    - Scott Schoeneweis went 0.2 IP, 1 Earned on 2 Hits with 0 Strikeouts and Walks.
                    - Jon Rauch went 0.1 IP, 0 ER on 0 Hits with 0 Strikeouts and 1 Walk.
                    - Chad Qualls went 1.0 IP, 5 ER on 6 Hits with 0 Strikeouts and Walks.

                    **Like I said, the CPU bullpen is absolutely hideous, when Webb holds my offense to 3/26 and the bullpen allows me to go 5/8 thats really pathetic. I at first thought that RP Stamina being 0 hurt them but Qualls hadnt pitched all series so he was completely fresh so that cant be it. I understand those that think my setup of Control at 0 and Strike Frequency at 1 is too low but when your a swing only guy who takes so many pitches it is really needed to remain competitive while still getting walked at a reasonable clip. Now here are my pitching stats, pretty good overall...

                    - Chad Billingsley went 6.1 IP, 3 ER on 4 Hits with 4 Strikeouts and 4 Walks.
                    - James McDonald went 0.2 IP, 0 ER on 0 Hits with 1 Strikeout and 0 Walks.
                    - Guillermo Mota went 1.0 IP, 3 ER on 2 Hits with 0 Strikeouts and 2 Walks (Also beaned a guy and forced 2 runs home with bases loaded.)
                    - Jonathan Broxton went 1.0 IP, 0 ER on 0 Hits with 1 Strikeout and 1 Walk.

                    My pitching looks fine, my team finished the game batting 11/34 (.324) but that was all because of the bullpen and mainly Qualls at that. Arizona went 6/32 (.188) but did get walked 7 times and beaned twice so they had runners all the time it seemed but were never able to get the big hit when they needed it.

                    Im not sure what else to report at this point, the bullpen for the CPU was abysmal, Arizona while having a good offense will chase anything and everything so that helped. Webb was probably left in a tad long since he was at 100 pitches with a 3-2 lead and they still trotted him out there in the 7th for no apparent reason.

                    If there is one slider that needs to be changed asap, or atleast based on what Im seeing, its the Pitcher Consistency slider because the wild pitches and passed balls are getting completely insane. Through 6 games of my franchise there hasnt been a single game without a wild pitch or passed ball and in about half of those games its with a runner on third allowing him to score. My only concern is that by increasing this it will effect other areas and force me to make even more changes, are you guys seeing an abundance of wild pitches/passed balls?

                    Other then that Im pretty good, so far here are the sliders Ive been using exclusively...

                    USER
                    RP Stamina (0)
                    SP Stamina (6)

                    CPU
                    RP Stamina (0)
                    Pitcher Control (0)
                    Strike Frequency (1)

                    GLOBAL
                    Fielder Run Speed (0)

                    Feedback from you blzer is always appreciated, thanks in advance.






                    Last edited by The Chef; 03-14-2009, 10:43 PM.
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                    • gallandro
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 526

                      #145
                      Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                      Hey Chef, how many total pitches are each team throwing. The average combined team pitch totals of an MLB game is about 280 pitches.

                      Your results are interesting, but I'm concerned with lower tier starters and less than top of the line bullpen guys getting hammered with pitch control and throw strike set so low...

                      Good stuff though


                      Yancy
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                      • The Chef
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 13684

                        #146
                        Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                        Originally posted by gallandro
                        Hey Chef, how many total pitches are each team throwing. The average combined team pitch totals of an MLB game is about 280 pitches.

                        Your results are interesting, but I'm concerned with lower tier starters and less than top of the line bullpen guys getting hammered with pitch control and throw strike set so low...

                        Good stuff though


                        Yancy
                        Not completely sure but I can guesstimate where they were in my last game...

                        Brandon Webb (115 pitches approx.)
                        Scott Schoeneweis (24 pitches approx.)
                        Jon Rauch (8 pitches approx.)
                        Chad Qualls (26 pitches approx.)

                        Arizona Total- 173 pitches approx.

                        Chad Billingsley (95 pitches approx.)
                        James McDonald (9 pitches approx.)
                        Guillermo Mota (26 pitches approx.)
                        Jonathan Broxton (18 pitches approx.)

                        Dodgers Total- 148 pitches approx.

                        GRAND TOTAL- 321 pitches approx.

                        Keep in mind these are approximations but most are pretty damn close to what they were. When viewing the stats dont forget the insane amount of walks which would balloon the stats clearly, Arizona walked me once but I was very patient and worked a ton of counts, and I walked them 7 times I believe so thats part of the higher pitch count.

                        In terms of roughing up below average relievers, thats my concern as well, I have to figure this out, maybe Arizona is destined to have a **** pen this year as Rauch can be spotty, Qualls isnt exactly a proven closer and the other guys arent exactly world burners so I guess anything is possible but other then that everything else is coming out perfect for me at this point.

                        Im going to run and get some dinner going and the dishes done but will check this thread when I return to see what any of you guys have to say based on my stats posted above.
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                        • pbz06
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 1504

                          #147
                          Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                          I just played against the White Sox and G. Floyd was nasty. I was able to muster a double and several weak hits, but unable to score.

                          I was the Angels.

                          His line was 7.1 IP, 7 H, 0 ER, 0 BB...74% strikes. So his control and ability to throw strikes wasn't hampered a bit. I wonder how many of those strikes were actually balls because he threw a lot of low curveballs that I completely whiffed and was fooled on.

                          I wasn't able to touch Dotel either, like I did with Rauch in last game, but because I was gettind dominated I think I was just too impatient by that time.
                          Last edited by pbz06; 03-14-2009, 11:00 PM.

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                          • pbz06
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1504

                            #148
                            Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                            I wanted to play the exact same teams now but with a low tier starting pitcher, but too bad the Chi Sox have 5 really good starters, lol.

                            I guess we can keep on playing and reporting the results

                            The Chef, you continue playing with the pitcher control low, and I'll keep playing with it at default (and only the strike frequency down to 0)...that way we can compare results.

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                            • The Chef
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 13684

                              #149
                              Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                              Im entertaining the idea of raising CPU Pitcher Control to 1 from 0 soon in hopes that it will fix the bullpen failures I keep seeing for the CPU. Now, keeping that in mind, I noticed that even you tagged their bullpen blzer having scored your only 2 runs in the 8th and 9th innings.
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                              • ty5oke
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 2912

                                #150
                                Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

                                Originally posted by pbz06
                                I'm still stuck at deciding whether I should lower CPU control, or keep it how it is with CPU control at default but keep the low the CPU strike frequency to 0 (-5). I'm still liking the results too much to abandon it quite yet
                                I've played my last few games with CPU Strike Frequency at 0(-5) and kept control at default. I've been happy with the results so far. Last game I faced a wild pitcher in Andrew Miller. He only lasted 3 IP 4H 6 ER 4 BB 1HBP 2 K. He threw 80 pitches in the three innings- 38 Balls 40 Strikes.

                                This is on HOF by the way. I played about 25 games on default, and definitely noticed that the CPU wasn't throwing enough balls. So far this change has fixed the problem.

                                Update: To contrast Andrew Miller, next game was vs Tom Glavine.

                                Glavine 4 IP 9 H 4 ER 1 BB 1HBP 5 K
                                85 pitches 53 Strikes 32 Balls
                                Last edited by ty5oke; 03-15-2009, 12:21 AM.
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