More Barry Bonds steroids stuff on ESPN radio right now

[Alliball]

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Actually w/out the juice his career probably would've been over already. That's another big issue about this. Roids have made him productive longer.

Actually steroid use is known to break the body down faster over the long haul. Look at the similarities between Caminiti's injuries and Bonds' injuries. They both had or have joint issues which is pretty common in steroid users. I think Bonds would still have been rather productive between the ages of 35-40 even without roids. I think it would be safe to say you can knock off anywhere between 65-85 HR's from his current totals if you took away the roids. I can see the guy slipping about 5% a year, starting at age 35, in his HR numbers meaning he would have hit around 28 HR's last year had he played a full season. Honestly, would that be unheard of for a guy with his tallent?

[Jistic]

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Actually steroid use is known to break the body down faster over the long haul. Look at the similarities between Caminiti's injuries and Bonds' injuries. They both had or have joint issues which is pretty common in steroid users. I think Bonds would still have been rather productive between the ages of 35-40 even without roids. I think it would be safe to say you can knock off anywhere between 65-85 HR's from his current totals if you took away the roids. I can see the guy slipping about 5% a year, starting at age 35, in his HR numbers meaning he would have hit around 28 HR's last year had he played a full season. Honestly, would that be unheard of for a guy with his tallent?

Starting later has helped him...in the short term. 10 years from now, this guys in big trouble.

[USF11]

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Starting later has helped him...in the short term. 10 years from now, this guys in big trouble.

Steriod use is like russian roulette. We are all born with cancer cells, steroids allow the body to replicate cells at a faster rate. So depending on what amount of cancer cells you are born with, the problems start. Also as the Muscles get stronger the joints and tendons get weaker for steriod users.

Someone can take steriods there whole life and nothing bad can happen or someone can take them for a couple years and get liver cancer *cough* Walter Payton *cough* or some other form of cancer. You get tumors.

Its Russian Roulette.

[TheMatrix31]

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I can see the guy slipping about 5% a year, starting at age 35, in his HR numbers meaning he would have hit around 28 HR's last year had he played a full season. Honestly, would that be unheard of for a guy with his tallent?

So he "used the steroids" through 2003, right? So what explains him coming back and hitting 7 homers in 42 atbats (or whatever it was)? I thought he was supposed to decline.

[poster]

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So he "used the steroids" through 2003, right? So what explains him coming back and hitting 7 homers in 42 atbats (or whatever it was)? I thought he was supposed to decline.

He is still on HGH. They don't test for that. He takes advantage of MLB's stupidity.

[TheMatrix31]

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Is that substantiated somewhere?

[USF11]

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Is that substantiated somewhere?

I think there is reasonable doubt. Any player suspected of steroid use that passed on the WBC I would suspect are still on Human Growth Hormone. Since the WBC actually tests for that. Bonds, Sammy, Gagne off the top of my head.

And another thing people who took steriods can actually maintain a majority of their gains for a couple years after they quit.

[Alliball]

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So he "used the steroids" through 2003, right? So what explains him coming back and hitting 7 homers in 42 atbats (or whatever it was)? I thought he was supposed to decline.

He hit 5 in 42, but let's not split hairs. The bigger question is, if he is really off the juice, would his 40 year old body hold up to playing 130+ games? How many guys have had huge Aprils then not kept up the pace for the full 162? Off the top of my head, I would say quite a few. Just becasue a guy starts off the season with 3 bombs doesn't mean he'll finish with 486 HR's.

Here's another question for you. Do you honestly believe that a person just loses muscle overnight? It's not like you go to bed one night weighing in at 250 and wake up a 140 pound chump.

[TheMatrix31]

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Then we'll see where he is in two years.

[rsox]

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Here's another question for you. Do you honestly believe that a person just loses muscle overnight? It's not like you go to bed one night weighing in at 250 and wake up a 140 pound chump.

I don't know, between the last day of the 2004 season to the start of sring training last year Sammy Sosa lost several noticible inches of muscle mass, his frame was much smaller and that happend in 4 months. It may not happen overnight but it doesn't take long.

[Alliball]

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I don't know, between the last day of the 2004 season to the start of sring training last year Sammy Sosa lost several noticible inches of muscle mass, his frame was much smaller and that happend in 4 months. It may not happen overnight but it doesn't take long.

I honestly think Bonds never stopped using performance enhancers. He found a way to beat the tests once, why is it so inconceivable that he couldn't do it again? The dude's ego is so out of control I can see him doing anything under the sun to try and duck and dodge MLB any way he can.

[rsox]

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I honestly think Bonds never stopped using performance enhancers. He found a way to beat the tests once, why is it so inconceivable that he couldn't do it again? The dude's ego is so out of control I can see him doing anything under the sun to try and duck and dodge MLB any way he can.

I agree with you completly. I don't believe Bonds has stopped taking performance enhancers, at this point it's probably the only way he is physically able to step out on to the field and play.

[Scottdau]

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The truth is roids have been a big part of Baseball for the last 10 years. And when Mark and Sammy were hitting baseballs out is when people started watching baseball again. Even the commisher knew that fans wanted to see high scoring games, so they made it harder for pitchers. You guy can't tell me that the commisher of Baseball didn't know about all these roids being used. The fact is the drug makers will always be one step ahead. So we might never know who tests positive. But to tell you the truth roids don't brother me, if that is want they want to do go for it. Baseball has always had someone cheating. When that much money is involved that is what is expected.

[Diadem]

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The truth is roids have been a big part of Baseball for the last 10 years. And when Mark and Sammy were hitting baseballs out is when people started watching baseball again. Even the commisher knew that fans wanted to see high scoring games, so they made it harder for pitchers. You guy can't tell me that the commisher of Baseball didn't know about all these roids being used. The fact is the drug makers will always be one step ahead. So we might never know who tests positive. But to tell you the truth roids don't brother me, if that is want they want to do go for it. Baseball has always had someone cheating. When that much money is involved that is what is expected.

Exactly, Baseball has been dirty since it's creation.

[Scottdau]

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Exactly, Baseball has been dirty since it's creation.

It is just the truth, but people don't wont to hear that lol. Bonds cheated, I believe that, but it doesn't change anything, because others have cheated since the beginning. If Baseball really care about roids they would have stop in before it started. Now that all this is coming out baseball is now acting like it cares.

If you want to go as far as saying Roger M. has the home run record you can't even say that, because he played in more games than Ruth did. Records don't need an * because Bonds is not the only one who has cheated in Baseball. Everybody hates him so much they just want him to have an * after his records. What ever, Sports will always be corrupt. To much money involved.