Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

This boring offense and lack of hitting in RISP has coincided with Dave Magadan becoming hitting coach.

I don't care if he had more walks than strikeouts in his career... it doesn't mean the people he's giving advice to will do the same. Sometimes it looks like they're afriad to hit the ball.

It's obviously the hitting coach since Nady, Nevin, and Hernandez have had more success once leaving the Padres... well, Nevin to a lesser extent since he was a Ranger for two months last year.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

8-12 and last place in the worst division in baseball. Nice job fellas.

What's sad is that they're only three games back... that speaks more volume about the division despite how horrible the Padres have been.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

I won't even mention Nady hit another bomb tonight.

His last ten games speak for himself:

12-38, 5 runs, 2 doubles, 3 home runs, 8 rbis, 1 walk, 9 strikeouts, .316 avg, .938 ops.

[TheTruth916]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

This boring offense and lack of hitting in RISP has coincided with Dave Magadan becoming hitting coach.

I don't care if he had more walks than strikeouts in his career... it doesn't mean the people he's giving advice to will do the same. Sometimes it looks like they're afriad to hit the ball.

It's obviously the hitting coach since Nady, Nevin, and Hernandez have had more success once leaving the Padres... well, Nevin to a lesser extent since he was a Ranger for two months last year.

If I remember correctly...the Padres have not hit this bad before until Dave Magadan took over as Hitting Coach...He needs to be fired!

[Kelverin]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

If I remember correctly...the Padres have not hit this bad before until Dave Magadan took over as Hitting Coach...He needs to be fired!

What he said.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

If I remember correctly...the Padres have not hit this bad before until Dave Magadan took over as Hitting Coach...He needs to be fired!

It is true. I believe they fired Duane Espy after 2002... still trying to figure that one out myself. While the articles show that Magadan is trying to teach them discipline and driving the ball at the same time, he hasn't been able to get these hitters to get their swings in a groove and shortening their slump times. I believe if we had a different hitting coach the offense would've done better last year and the year before.

Whatever, it's just frustrating that this is happening for the third straight year. Magadan needs to be replaced.

To add more fuel to the fire, it's kinda bad when a commentator says a hitter isn't listening to his hitting coach, but it's even worse when he (the hitter) says he still doesn't get it.

[TheTruth916]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

It is true. I believe they fired Duane Espy after 2002... still trying to figure that one out myself. While the articles show that Magadan is trying to teach them discipline and driving the ball at the same time, he hasn't been able to get these hitters to get their swings in a groove and shortening their slump times. I believe if we had a different hitting coach the offense would've done better last year and the year before.

Whatever, it's just frustrating that this is happening for the third straight year. Magadan needs to be replaced.

To add more fuel to the fire, it's kinda bad when a commentator says a hitter isn't listening to his hitting coach, but it's even worse when he (the hitter) says he still doesn't get it.

Yeah, I think there is more to the Espy let go then we know and I really wish they didn't get rid of him for Mags because, you look at Mags creditionals and he has nothing that pops out except for the walks. These guys need to be aggressive at the play and try and drive the ball.

Sometimes like you said, They look scared at the plate and then pitches they shouldn't be taking they take and then the ones they should let go they swing. Its un-real. I know these guys are not as bad as they are but, its really hard to watch when no one seems to care.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

This is interesting. Something people would probably like to see:

Duane Espy: (*began hitting coach career in 2000, two months into the season, stats not counted)

Year--AB---R-- -H---2B-3B--HR-RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
2001 5482 789 1379 273 26 161 753 678 1273 .252 .336 .399 .735
2002 5515 662 1393 243 29 136 627 547 1062 .253 .321 .381 .702
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Ttl:10997 1451 2772 516 55 297 1380 1225 2335 .252 .327 .390 .717

Dave Magadan:

Year--AB---R----H---2B-3B-HR--RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
2003 5531 678 1442 257 32 128 641 565 1073 .261 .333 .388 .721
2004 5573 768 1521 304 32 139 722 566 0910 .273 .342 .414 .756
2005 5502 684 1416 269 39 130 655 600 0977 .257 .333 .391 .724
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Ttl:16606 2130 4379 830 103 397 2018 1731 2960 .264 .333 .398 .731

162 Game Average:
------AB----R----H--2B-3B-HR--RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
ESP. 5499 726 1386 258 28 149 690 613 1168 .252 .327 .390 .717
MAG 5535 710 1460 277 34 132 673 577 0987 .264 .333 .398 .731

Notes:
Hitters who Benefitted during Espy's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Phil Nevin
Mark Kotsay
Brian Buchanan

Hitters who did not Benefit during Espy's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Ray Lankford
Bubba Trammell
D'Angelo Jiminez

Hitters who Benefitted during Magadan's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Rondell White
Mark Loretta

Hitters who did not Benefit during Magadan's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Ryan Klesko
Phil Nevin
Sean Burroughs
Xavier Nady
Jay Payton
Ramon Vazquez

[TheTruth916]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

This is interesting. Something people would probably like to see:

Duane Espy: (*began hitting coach career in 2000, two months into the season, stats not counted)

Year--AB---R-- -H---2B-3B--HR-RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
2001 5482 789 1379 273 26 161 753 678 1273 .252 .336 .399 .735
2002 5515 662 1393 243 29 136 627 547 1062 .253 .321 .381 .702
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ttl:10997 1451 2772 516 55 297 1380 1225 2335 .252 .327 .390 .717

Dave Magadan:

Year--AB---R----H---2B-3B-HR--RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
2003 5531 678 1442 257 32 128 641 565 1073 .261 .333 .388 .721
2004 5573 768 1521 304 32 139 722 566 0910 .273 .342 .414 .756
2005 5502 684 1416 269 39 130 655 600 0977 .257 .333 .391 .724
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ttl:16606 2130 4379 830 103 397 2018 1731 2960 .264 .333 .398 .731

162 Game Average:
------AB----R----H--2B-3B-HR--RBI-BB---K---AVG-OBP-SLG-OPS
ESP. 5499 726 1386 258 28 149 690 613 1168 .252 .327 .390 .717
MAG 5535 710 1460 277 34 132 673 577 0987 .264 .333 .398 .731

Notes:
Hitters who Benefitted during Espy's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Phil Nevin
Mark Kotsay
Brian Buchanan

Hitters who did not Benefit during Espy's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Ray Lankford
Bubba Trammell
D'Angelo Jiminez

Hitters who Benefitted during Magadan's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Rondell White
Mark Loretta

Hitters who did not Benefit during Magadan's Hitting Coach Tenure:
Ryan Klesko
Phil Nevin
Sean Burroughs
Xavier Nady
Jay Payton
Ramon Vazquez

Wow is all i can say

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

We can blame the park, we can blame the hitting instructor, but at what point do we start to realize that these guys just aren't that good?

[TheTruth916]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

We can blame the park, we can blame the hitting instructor, but at what point do we start to realize that these guys just aren't that good?

nah, when are you going to realize that the Padres hitters are not that bad? Sure they are old and have average hitters now, but still look at what Castilla did last year when he wasn't hurt? Mike Piazza?

History has shown that the Padres hitters haven't been as bad as they have been for the last 3 yrs since Dave Mags took over.

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

nah, when are you going to realize that the Padres hitters are not that bad? Sure they are old and have average hitters now, but still look at what Castilla did last year when he wasn't hurt? Mike Piazza?

History has shown that the Padres hitters haven't been as bad as they have been for the last 3 yrs since Dave Mags took over.

Piazza hit .251 with 19 bombs in 400 ab's last year.
Castilla hit .253 with 12 bombs in 500 ab's last year.

As I said, not that good to begin with, plus a year older.

[TheTruth916]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

Piazza hit .251 with 19 bombs in 400 ab's last year.
Castilla hit .253 with 12 bombs in 500 ab's last year.

As I said, not that good to begin with, plus a year older.

Also..Castilla was hurt half the year with a bum knee, that hurts his stride at the plate. But I'll give you his batting avg. has dropped and is hovering around .270 in the last 5 yrs, but he's still one of the better defensive 3rd basemens around.

Despite Piazza hitting .251, 19HRs...he produced more than Roman Hernandez did last year and also isn't a quitter...Roman played in 99 games and he had 12 HR's and 40 RBIs.

The Padres have guys who can hit the ball, but its the hitting approach that is taught is what's not working. Before I even think about saying this team can't hit, I would rather hold judgement and see what these guys would do with a more aggressive hitting coach than a coach that would rather walk than hit.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

Also..Castilla was hurt half the year with a bum knee, that hurts his stride at the plate. But I'll give you his batting avg. has dropped and is hovering around .270 in the last 5 yrs, but he's still one of the better defensive 3rd basemens around.

Despite Piazza hitting .251, 19HRs...he produced more than Roman Hernandez did last year and also isn't a quitter...Roman played in 99 games and he had 12 HR's and 40 RBIs.

The Padres have guys who can hit the ball, but its the hitting approach that is taught is what's not working. Before I even think about saying this team can't hit, I would rather hold judgement and see what these guys would do with a more aggressive hitting coach than a coach that would rather walk than hit.

Dude, it's Ramon Hernandez.

Anyways. Is it a coincidence that since Nady left the clutches of Mags and Hernandez that they're both doing well? Albeit Hernandez had a pretty good year last season considering that his season was curtailed by a coule of surgeries, but now Nady is hitting like a beast (now I haven't been able to see if his approach at the plate changed at all).

Magadan's game and mentality as a player was handling the pinch-hitting role, discipline, and hitting the ball where it's thrown... He did not express power through his career. Now if the Padres had a different hitting coach, would Sean Burroughs career have taken a turn for the worst? Would Nevin had done better the past two seasons? Would Giles's power numbers have fallen off like they did? Would Khalil reach his potential (he sure has hasn't with Mags around)? There's too many questions and if's.

We can blame the park, we can blame the hitting instructor, but at what point do we start to realize that these guys just aren't that good?

The young players are talented offensively but the Padres currently don't have the right hitting coach for that. Just as soon as Gonzalez said he's working on things with Magadan, he goes into a slump. Khalil Greene says he's listening to Magadan, but he isn't getting it.

As for Piazza and Castilla, whoever expected Castilla to be the savior of the lineup is obviously in over his head. Castilla was brought in as a one year fix who's bat everyone knows has deteriorated and can only be good for at Coors Field. Sure you can say we should've kept Randa, but Randa didn't do all that well last year with the Padres... although he had probably 5X the XBH Sean Burroughs had last year. Same with Piazza. Now that we look at it for just over what Piazza and Mirabelli makes we could've retained Hernandez. Barfield would be in AAA still and Loretta would be the starter at second base, but we'd have a younger, possibly better catcher. I'd still take Piazza as the backup catcher... or would've kept Dave Ross or Miguel Olivo, but this team would no doubt have been to a better start if Hernandez was retained.

I can second guess trades and say this would've been better if they've done this. But what is it good for? I can blame the hitting coach and the ballpark but what good will that do? I can say the hitter's aren't as good as people make them to believe, but will that change anything?

It's sure fun to talk about this though.

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

The Padres have guys who can hit the ball, but its the hitting approach that is taught is what's not working. Before I even think about saying this team can't hit, I would rather hold judgement and see what these guys would do with a more aggressive hitting coach than a coach that would rather walk than hit.

More excuses. It's not the players fault it's the hitting coaches fault? Not buying that.