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  • Hustle Westbrook
    MVP
    • Jan 2015
    • 3113

    #211
    Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

    Originally posted by OldHead

    2K15, to be completely honest, has BETTER gameplay than this year's in several ways.
    No, no, no.
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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #212
      Blocks are ridiculous!

      It all comes from a "sim" place tbh

      We're talking about wanting blocking here, not 360's in traffic.

      Fact is, we just don't want defense at the rim compromised like it was last year....that's all.

      So while the occasional block by Lowry on Blake Griffin makes you cringe

      Patty Mills driving directly into DeAndre Jordan with no regard for the fact he exists....even going so far as to do a finger roll TOWARD him without the ball being obliterated makes me cringe even more....this was NBA 2K15...

      What's funny is thread has gotten more attention then me and Goffs blocking issue threads combined almost....so everyone dropping the "I can't believe this is being defended" line....I hope you were in that thread too...

      Here's to hoping the devs can find a balance in a patch or next year...


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      • OldHead
        Banned
        • Oct 2015
        • 64

        #213
        Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter

        So while the occasional block by Lowry on Blake Griffin makes you cringe...

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        Only one problem. It's NOT occasional. If it was, there wouldn't be such a big stink...Put it like this...When I'm trailing Blake Griffin with Lowry, I EXPECT there to be a, let's say 50% chance I'm either going to block him clean or cause him to miss the dunk. 80% chance to do the same if he performs a backscratcher....And the reason I expect such good odds is because 2k16 has CONDITIONED me to be that way. With chase down acceleration, poor dunk selection by the offensive player (BTW, if he lays it up without a pump fake I will most certainly block him) and practically 0 chance there will be a foul on me. My opponents online play the same way. They'll chase down any of my players with ANY guard that they have that gets back and they have the exact same thoughts on their mind. Conditioned, by 2k16. I'm not making this up folks...EVERY opponent I've faced this week in my league knows about this foolishness. It rares it's ugly head after a couple of online games.


        My friend (we play locally offline at work) plays with the Clippers. He probably averages 2-3 blocks per game against my Wizards w/ Reddick, because Reddick tends to be the one in the backcourt to "challenge" my fast breaks. He gets about the same number of blocks/altered and missed shots with JJ as he does with DeAndre, due to the Wizards being a fast break dependent team...We start to laugh any time my fast break starts and he is turbo-ing with Reddick, cause we've seen his blocking expertise sooo many times that it becomes just a laughably unrealistic aspect to the game. When 2 gamers/(ballers for many years) in their 30's start to laugh during a fast break scenario in a purported basketball simulation game, you know something isn't right.

        Blocking is overpowered. Especially chasedown blocks.
        Last edited by OldHead; 10-10-2015, 08:34 PM.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #214
          Blocks are ridiculous!

          Originally posted by OldHead
          Only one problem. It's NOT occasional. If it was, there wouldn't be such a big stink...Put it like this...When I'm trailing Blake Griffin with Lowry, I EXPECT there to be a, let's say 50% chance I'm either going to block him clean or cause him to miss the dunk. 80% chance to do the same if he performs a backscratcher....And the reason I expect such good odds is because 2k16 has CONDITIONED me to be that way. With chase down acceleration, poor dunk selection by the offensive player (BTW, if he lays it up without a pump fake I will most certainly block him) and practically 0 chance there will be a foul on me. My opponents online play the same way. They'll chase down any of my players with ANY guard that they have that gets back and they have the exact same thoughts on their mind. Conditioned, by 2k16. I'm not making this up folks...EVERY opponent I've faced this week in my league knows about this foolishness. It rares it's ugly head after a couple of online games.

          Blocking is overpowered. Especially chasedown blocks.

          Odd part of my post to pick out but sure....if you see it at a 80% rate that's fine....id put my 2K15 example even higher tbh...it's no better just because it's on the offensive side of the ball.


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          • swac07
            MVP
            • Feb 2007
            • 1843

            #215
            Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            I was definitely easier to score in 2k15....looks like we'll e headed back that way soon though...
            Im really praying we dont smh



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            • manu1433
              Pro
              • May 2014
              • 552

              #216
              Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

              Originally posted by wimp14
              Blocks are beautiful in this game. I most admitted the recovery window is way too large. Sometime I will let a guy beat me just to recover and block the shot.
              one thing they better keep is that sound when you swat one of the backboard

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              • manu1433
                Pro
                • May 2014
                • 552

                #217
                Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                It all comes from a "sim" place tbh

                We're talking about wanting blocking here, not 360's in traffic.

                Fact is, we just don't want defense at the rim compromised like it was last year....that's all.

                So while the occasional block by Lowry on Blake Griffin makes you cringe

                Patty Mills driving directly into DeAndre Jordan with no regard for the fact he exists....even going so far as to do a finger roll TOWARD him without the ball being obliterated makes me cringe even more....this was NBA 2K15...

                What's funny is thread has gotten more attention then me and Goffs blocking issue threads combined almost....so everyone dropping the "I can't believe this is being defended" line....I hope you were in that thread too...

                Here's to hoping the devs can find a balance in a patch or next year...


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                If devs can fine tune blocks and make them less OP for guards I'd be all for it

                if they have to it at the expense of everybody else, then I'd prefer they'd leave it alone

                one thing I can't stand though, is when you are able to get a block on a poorly timed blocked attempt....like i'll jump like 2 seconds early and pretty much block it before the ball leaves their hands

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                • OldHead
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2015
                  • 64

                  #218
                  Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                  Originally posted by manu1433
                  If devs can fine tune blocks and make them less OP for guards I'd be all for it

                  if they have to it at the expense of everybody else, then I'd prefer they'd leave it alone

                  one thing I can't stand though, is when you are able to get a block on a poorly timed blocked attempt....like i'll jump like 2 seconds early and pretty much block it before the ball leaves their hands
                  Yeah...Those are cringeworthy...Very similar to some of the blocks in Live 15/16 actually...No timing required at all. Just jump before you naturally should and you'll trigger a block. And a weird block too because it appears as though your "blocking" the ball with any part of your body other than your hands.

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                  • stillfeelme
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 2407

                    #219
                    Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                    The messed up thing is there are some really, really good rim protection blocks in the game. Not perfect but really well done.

                    The chase down blocks with guards 6' 2" or so just come across as video gamey. The guards are jumping way too high and traveling way too far of distance. I did a chasedown block with CP3 man, why because I know I can.

                    Whoever did the motion capture was an elite athlete for sure though probably one of the dunkers it looks sick but realism goes out the door.

                    Dev's if you can't make it realistic then leave it alone. I don't want the other paint blocking going away because chase downs are not real that would be bad.

                    The funny part of all of this is Blocking in 2K16 is what shooting was in 2K15 for patch 4.

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                    • ForeverVersatile
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 3498

                      #220
                      Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                      Too many blocked layups and rimmed out dunks imo.
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                      • OldHead
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 64

                        #221
                        Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                        Originally posted by ForeverVersatile
                        Too many blocked layups and rimmed out dunks imo.
                        The slowdown "hitch" when you try and accelerate the rim doesn't help either.
                        Last edited by OldHead; 10-10-2015, 11:28 PM.

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                        • Sixniner
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 65

                          #222
                          Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                          Originally posted by hiyadi
                          i agree with the op, my center get blocked twice by an small pg in my park. my dunk rating is 94 with jordan pack ! i mean if big men stops me fine but let me dunk on small pg with low block rating.

                          i also managed to block centers multiple time with my 6'2" sg in the middle of their dunk...

                          it's too unrealistic can you imagine Blake griffin get blocked by tony parker !
                          I stop reading when you said your Center had MJ dunk package

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                          • Schiltzenberger
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 112

                            #223
                            Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                            I can put up with a few dodgy blocks here and there.... but what I hate this year is small guards, from a standing start, under the hoop going all superman and swatting nearly every ally oop attempt.

                            It's bad enough the stupid passing system this year, the double tap just doesn't register a lot.... flashy passes become bounce passes and allys become lobs. Then you finally throw what should be a good ally..... along comes a 6' pg flying out of nowhere to put it in the crowd.... or he is standing there and leaps higher than the hoop to catch it.... WTF?
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                            • hiyadi
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 24

                              #224
                              Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                              Originally posted by Sixniner
                              I stop reading when you said your Center had MJ dunk package
                              Yep after geting blocked by small pg i fins out that the Jordan one works pretty well after post pin but i never used the free trhow Line jump lol

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                              • Mikelopedia
                                The Real Birdman
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 1523

                                #225
                                Re: Blocks are ridiculous!

                                I'm sure it has been mentioned in this thread, but honestly I only think there's 2 main issues with blocking this year:

                                1. Ratings should matter more. It should be significantly more difficult for me to get a block with Tony Wroten than John Wall. Same difference should exist between Tyler Zeller and Hassan Whiteside.
                                While it shouldn't be impossible to block a shot with an average PG, it should require perfect timing, whereas an elite shotblocker has a MUCH bigger window and reach.

                                2. This is the really the only thing that bothers me. The block opportunity should only exist once the ball is leaving the hand, or for a dunk, when it's on it's way to the rim.
                                Way too many blocks happen before you even get to the shot/layup release form, leading to the offensive player continuing the animation and looking like an idiot shooting or dunking an invisable ball.

                                While I know it's hard to find a balance as we don't want balls going through arms of course, the hand to ball tracking needs to be improved, nobody should block shots with their body or armpit or elbow.

                                Even in a situation where the defender gets so high that he COULD block it with his elbows, his hand needs to attempt to find the ball.

                                *Note if you go through tendencies, you'll notice that block shot tendencies are high across the board for non shot blocking bigs (meanwhile there's the odd 64 for Hassan Whiteside, it was the same last year)
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