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  • Mauer4MVP
    MVP
    • Mar 2010
    • 2407

    #181
    Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

    Originally posted by strawberryshortcake
    NBA 2k17 vs NBA 2k16 Graphics Comparison Team USA Edition
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    Am I crazy to think everyone looks significantly better this year?

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    • daveberg
      MVP
      • Sep 2008
      • 2788

      #182
      Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

      Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
      Am I crazy to think everyone looks significantly better this year?
      Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder - I think everyone looked better in 2k16 in the video above.
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      • Ed21
        Rookie
        • Aug 2009
        • 372

        #183
        Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

        Originally posted by strawberryshortcake
        NBA 2k17 vs NBA 2k16 Graphics Comparison Team USA Edition
        <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LYPPV9Wt5AY" allowfullscreen="" width="560" frameborder="0" height="315"></iframe>
        Man the skin tones and lighting look so much better and more realistic in 2K17!

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #184
          Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

          Originally posted by strawberryshortcake
          NBA 2k17 vs NBA 2k16 Graphics Comparison Team USA Edition
          <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LYPPV9Wt5AY" allowfullscreen="" width="560" frameborder="0" height="315"></iframe>
          Kyrie's got that look like he's about to embarass you.

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          • Junior Moe
            MVP
            • Jul 2009
            • 3869

            #185
            Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

            Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
            Am I crazy to think everyone looks significantly better this year?
            No. I think the players looks great this year, too. It may just be the lighting or whatever but the game looks better overall to me. As with most things it's not perfect nor will it ever be.

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            • Mauer4MVP
              MVP
              • Mar 2010
              • 2407

              #186
              Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

              Originally posted by Junior Moe
              No. I think the players looks great this year, too. It may just be the lighting or whatever but the game looks better overall to me. As with most things it's not perfect nor will it ever be.
              This is where I'm at and honestly the biggest thing for me is how the players and overall atmosphere looks while I'm playing (as in from the gameplay camera and not cut shots or after basket shots). So far from the few gameplay videos we've seen I think it looks great.

              Like you said still room for improvement, but overall all very good.
              Last edited by Mauer4MVP; 09-13-2016, 08:45 AM.

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              • Marty Funkhouser
                Rookie
                • Aug 2016
                • 191

                #187
                Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                Originally posted by daveberg
                Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder - I think everyone looked better in 2k16 in the video above.
                Seriously? the skin tones and a few of the faces, like Draymond's and Lowry's looked far worse than in 2k17.

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                • Hassan Darkside
                  We Here
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 7561

                  #188
                  Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                  A few musings:
                  -I don't think the player models are as noticeably bad in motion as they look in stills

                  -It's possible that they created a skinny model based off of just one particular player, then just mass updated all players with the previous skinny body type to this new one

                  -Lack of muscle definition doesn't look as bad when the game is in motion and players' 3D muscles are flexing appropriately. This may be by design. Some players still should have more muscle tone regardless.

                  -I don't think it's fair for people to question the work ethic or allocation of resources of the art department.

                  -In regards to colors, I think striking the balance between having arena specific lighting and having the colors appear correctly is a lot more difficult than we imagine. Especially if you have different people handling lighting and artwork, you could constantly go back and forth recoloring things to get it to look right. Teams also have specific color pallets but they could easily end up looking way off depending on the lighting. IF the lighting is finalized after the rest of the art, then there can be problems.

                  -Does anyone on the art team even have accounts here? Regardless, I think they're aware of this thread because so many other Devs are here and they make it a point to emphasize that they read more than we think.

                  -I'm also a Knicks fan so I've gotten used to Carolina blue jerseys (which are now almost purple looking) and a generic Madison Rectangle Flower Bed.

                  -I know they've updated art in the past so hopefully some of these things can be addressed with patches or OTA updates. I'm less inclined to think body types will unless there's already a more suitable body type in the game.

                  If some of y'all don't want to purchase potentially one of the greatest sports games made because of the body types of certain players (or your favorite team's court), that's your prerogative, though ridiculously comical rationale in my mind.
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                  • WISports
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 2058

                    #189
                    Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                    Bottom line is player models look way worse this year. They took a huge step back in that department. If they weren't gonna improve them for the better, they should've just kept the 2k16 models.

                    And not correcting court and uniform colors that have been issues the past few years is very disappointing.

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                    • CrimsionXBL
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 374

                      #190
                      Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                      Originally posted by strawberryshortcake
                      NBA 2k17 vs NBA 2k16 Graphics Comparison Team USA Edition
                      <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LYPPV9Wt5AY" allowfullscreen="" width="560" frameborder="0" height="315"></iframe>
                      There are some differences between 2k16 and 2k17 that I'm not a fan of, such as the muscle definition that can be seen with Butler's comparison. Now I know in motion it'll look different and I don't mind the Butler model we've seen in the trailers.

                      As far as faces go I feel like they've made some major improvements along with skin tones, overall I like what I see.
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                      • daveberg
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2788

                        #191
                        Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                        Originally posted by Marty Funkhouser
                        Seriously? the skin tones and a few of the faces, like Draymond's and Lowry's looked far worse than in 2k17.
                        Each to their own my friend. I don't personally see it.

                        The models look worse in my eyes. As do some of the faces. And that's just the current teams - the legends are even worse - the last few pictures shown for Dikembe Mutombo are horrendous. I thought it was Frank Bruno at first.

                        I don't know what's happened this year, but it would seem for all the leaps forward in gameplay mechanics and game mode functionality, the art team seems to have suffered.
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                        • RNS1hunnid
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 38

                          #192
                          Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                          Originally posted by Ed21
                          Man the skin tones and lighting look so much better and more realistic in 2K17!


                          I think more or less people are referring to the player models the body builds of the players and players such as Kevin Durant Brandon Jennings and Etc being given the noodle armed model


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                          • cthurt
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 2525

                            #193
                            Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                            I am not a huge fan of the high school body types that they chose to go with BUT from a gameplay angle to which I play the Skybox cam I know the body types will not be an issue for me at all.


                            Also this game always looks far better in person then it does on YouTube, so if it looks good on YouTube then I know I will be happy with it on my TV.

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                            • Mauer4MVP
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 2407

                              #194
                              Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                              Originally posted by WISports
                              Bottom line is player models look way worse this year. They took a huge step back in that department. If they weren't gonna improve them for the better, they should've just kept the 2k16 models.

                              And not correcting court and uniform colors that have been issues the past few years is very disappointing.
                              And once again I'll disagree. Some look worse but I think the majority look better.

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                              • NINJAK2
                                *S *dd*ct
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 6185

                                #195
                                Re: The Art Team Really Tanked This Year.

                                Originally posted by JKSportsGamer1984
                                Agreed! But instead of being a priority for next year, why can't they fix it this year? I mean I would think it would be a simple fix. Just give Steph, Giannis, Tony Parker & Jimmy Butler their body types from last year, get rid of the skinny high school toothpick arm player models (only have them for KD & Brandon Ingram), slim down CP3's & Lowry's shoulders, give Westbrook a bulkier body type, etc.. I would think they could do this in a roster update let alone a patch. I thought I would be able to get over some of the player models, but after watching a leaked Warriors vs Rockets vid I found myself so distracted on how skinny Steph's arms were smh. 2K get er done!
                                I could be wrong but I think 2k has the ability to change body types within their rosters(). This year is once again proof that 2k listens to us so we need to be careful about what we complain about and how loudly we voice our disdain about things. The major complaint last year was that the body types were way too big--Now 2k has gone full speed in the opposite direction.
                                EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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