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  • Housh123
    Banned
    • Jan 2011
    • 1173

    #2896
    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

    Originally posted by illwill10
    The shot creating post scorer will give you the best ratings I think. Shot Creator and Post scorer meshes well and both gives higher post and mid range. So together I can imagine inside the arc it is a hard build to defend


    Went shot creating post


    Good results so far.


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    • Vroman
      Pro
      • Aug 2014
      • 959

      #2897
      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

      Shot Creator is the worst arch to combine with primary Post Scorer center. It really doesn't enable anything new compared to other PS combos, but you gonna really lose out on just bronze rim protector and lower strength.

      Only if u make some shorter PF version of this combo with good enough moving shot rating might be worth it.

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      • illwill10
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2009
        • 19827

        #2898
        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

        Originally posted by Housh123
        Lol post fade convo is one we’ve had before

        Unreliable isn’t the word I’m looking for


        It’s definitely a niche shot tho

        Everybody can’t do them


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        I'm one who can't lol. That's one reason I didn't go post. I'm good with post moves, up and under, post spin, drop steps But I can never get good timing on post fades, pro hop, and even shooting off dribble

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        • shawnydee
          Pro
          • Nov 2012
          • 839

          #2899
          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

          Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
          You won’t commit to a wing build man lol .
          What were you saying bro [emoji23][emoji23] i really like the build really plays like tmac good shooting can get to the hole. Playmaking is also good. PS_Messages_20180220_135244.jpg

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          • Foldzy
            MVP
            • Oct 2014
            • 1627

            #2900
            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

            Originally posted by Housh123
            Lol post fade convo is one we’ve had before

            Unreliable isn’t the word I’m looking for


            It’s definitely a niche shot tho

            Everybody can’t do them


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            Post fade is one of the worst shots in the game

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            • OrlandoTill
              Rookie
              • Sep 2016
              • 169

              #2901
              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

              How comfortable are you against C's(especially against the Rebounders and Athletic guys) because that is the real question on going PF Post-Scoring/Shot Creating especially if you do Pro-Am or Park by yourself.

              Post-Scoring as a primary archetype isn't too reliable this year per 2KLabs.

              I think you will be able to score and space the floor though.

              Here is a YouTuber with a mix of your build
              76 6"6" 180lbs Sharpshooting Playmaking SF
              73 6"7" 230lbs Pure Glass Cleaner PF

              https://www.twitch.tv/orlandotill

              Protesting PNO
              MTU

              PSN: OrlandoTill

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              • Hustler79
                Rookie
                • Sep 2017
                • 412

                #2902
                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                I am not a hardcore mycareer player but i made my player with facescan and i spent all my vc on myplayer all the vc i earned from myleague which was like 150 k so my dude is a 80 overall now .

                A defending slasher but i realise i cant change it till i read about 2 archetypes ..so my question is how do i alter my archetype if possible or how do i activate a 2nd one ..because i really would like aome mid ramge game for myplayer besides just driving layups amd dunks .

                Any info appreciated
                Psn : MORO79

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                • illwill10
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 19827

                  #2903
                  Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                  After 18 games with my Defending Shot Creator Center, I like the build but don't love it. It might have been a build better for a PF. I don't regret using all the VC on that build, because I know its a build that will be a good one once you max badges. Just sucks that Mid Range may max at 78-79 and Post Ratings aren't good. Where I recently I got Mid Range Deadeye Bronze, but I know I probably wont be a consistent knockdown Mid Range shooter until I get Silver.

                  That's the thing with Defensive and 3pt Primary builds. They both nerf one side of the ball for you. Defensive really nerfs shooting ratings and 3pt really nerfs athleticism. Those are both builds where it seems like it is better off being pure builds unless you want certain badges. Only build that I would mix with a primary Defender is Slasher/Finisher. That way it pretty much maxes out athleticism(besides maybe strength) which would help with decent finishing ability. With 3pt primary, I think best mix would be Shot Creator and maybe Post scorer. But most likely you will be a liability on defense.

                  So with mixing builds, you pretty much have to decide do you want to have builds that meshes well together or do you want certain badges. The problem with mixing builds that don't mesh, is that secondary build ratings are so low that it will take a lot longer to progress badges. Like for example, Defender/3pt. 3pt maxes probably at 65-70. So pointless to try to shoot 3's during games until you fully max the 3pt shoot badges. Which is hard because your rating is low. So only true way to get those badges up is doing the drills during practices.

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                  • howardphillips214
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1928

                    #2904
                    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                    Originally posted by illwill10
                    After 18 games with my Defending Shot Creator Center, I like the build but don't love it. It might have been a build better for a PF. I don't regret using all the VC on that build, because I know its a build that will be a good one once you max badges. Just sucks that Mid Range may max at 78-79 and Post Ratings aren't good. Where I recently I got Mid Range Deadeye Bronze, but I know I probably wont be a consistent knockdown Mid Range shooter until I get Silver.

                    That's the thing with Defensive and 3pt Primary builds. They both nerf one side of the ball for you. Defensive really nerfs shooting ratings and 3pt really nerfs athleticism. Those are both builds where it seems like it is better off being pure builds unless you want certain badges. Only build that I would mix with a primary Defender is Slasher/Finisher. That way it pretty much maxes out athleticism(besides maybe strength) which would help with decent finishing ability. With 3pt primary, I think best mix would be Shot Creator and maybe Post scorer. But most likely you will be a liability on defense.

                    So with mixing builds, you pretty much have to decide do you want to have builds that meshes well together or do you want certain badges. The problem with mixing builds that don't mesh, is that secondary build ratings are so low that it will take a lot longer to progress badges. Like for example, Defender/3pt. 3pt maxes probably at 65-70. So pointless to try to shoot 3's during games until you fully max the 3pt shoot badges. Which is hard because your rating is low. So only true way to get those badges up is doing the drills during practices.
                    Out of any shot on the floor, the mid-range seems to mean nothing on rating. Sure, moving shots go on rating, but no matter if you have a 99 mid you're not hitting 100% open. It's not happening. Long 2s seem to go by 3 point rating and that 17 foot range is extremely easy to close out and effect shots while standing. So, therefore, mid-range deadeye DOES have a purpose, but a 70mid is extremely competent. There's people who don't put any bars into mid-range until the very last because it's so expensive, yet doesn't mean anything. If I can hit wide open 13 footers with a 40, then 15 footers should be makeable with a 50 and so on.

                    I told you that build wasn't the greatest, but it should be fine for career. Once you get hustle rebounder at least bronze you can lead the league in rebounding every year. If you get rimn protector bronze you'll lead the league in blocks every year. Big man is entirely too easy offline.

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                    • illwill10
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 19827

                      #2905
                      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                      Originally posted by howardphillips214
                      Out of any shot on the floor, the mid-range seems to mean nothing on rating. Sure, moving shots go on rating, but no matter if you have a 99 mid you're not hitting 100% open. It's not happening. Long 2s seem to go by 3 point rating and that 17 foot range is extremely easy to close out and effect shots while standing. So, therefore, mid-range deadeye DOES have a purpose, but a 70mid is extremely competent. There's people who don't put any bars into mid-range until the very last because it's so expensive, yet doesn't mean anything. If I can hit wide open 13 footers with a 40, then 15 footers should be makeable with a 50 and so on.

                      I told you that build wasn't the greatest, but it should be fine for career. Once you get hustle rebounder at least bronze you can lead the league in rebounding every year. If you get rimn protector bronze you'll lead the league in blocks every year. Big man is entirely too easy offline.
                      I agree. For mid Range, unless you have maxed out badges, you won't make high percentage. And you're right, unless you are shooting from 13-17 feet, you are using either 3pt rating or Close rating.

                      Thats why i went with a Big man first. It was the safest position to play and easiest to start off. Before i had Hustle Rebound, i didn't have a problem getting 10 rebounds. Heck, 1st game i had a double double. Now after 5-7 games with Hustle Rebounder, I only had under 20 rebs once. Before Bronze Rim Protector, I could get 1-2 blocks off of timing and rating. Now with it, I can easily get 3-5 if I'm not late on rotations.
                      I usually don't start a second career until I'm in my 2nd season of 1st career. I rarely play a full season. Once i get my rating to a like 90, I will sim until 2nd season. I'm at 80(I had 90K VC to start). Im most likely will do a SF build next. But not sure the type of build

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                      • 3ShowTime2
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 379

                        #2906
                        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                        Originally posted by Hustler79
                        so my question is how do i alter my archetype if possible
                        You cant. Its 2k.

                        Originally posted by Hustler79
                        or how do i activate a 2nd one ..
                        You can create up to 10 myplayers.

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                        • Kleinevos
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 599

                          #2907
                          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                          Originally posted by Housh123
                          Athletic finishing post scorer, shot creating post scorer or a slashing post scorer? What would you guys make


                          Ima make him 6’ 11” around 250-265 pounds


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                          Just go pure post.




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                          • Housh123
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1173

                            #2908
                            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                            Originally posted by Kleinevos
                            Just go pure post.




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                            Already got one lol


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                            • Kleinevos
                              Pro
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 599

                              #2909
                              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                              Originally posted by Housh123
                              Already got one lol


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                              I went the other way.
                              I first had a slashing post scorer, 7'2.

                              Yet to make fades rather consistent, you need the 99 post stat, cuz fades are pure stats driven. Just like hooks.

                              So i remade a pure post, and now i make the fades consistent. I can even make open hooks from near the arc.

                              (Consistent as in: open shots always go in, lightly contested mostly go in)


                              Being a threat from the Fade/Hook makes me twice as dangerous. Leave me open from a pass, i got them 80 middies.

                              Give me some space by hanging back for the spin/drop : Fade in your face

                              Guard me close: get spinned/dropped upon.

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                              Last edited by Kleinevos; 02-21-2018, 08:57 AM.

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                              • ClassicMan
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2015
                                • 344

                                #2910
                                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                                Originally posted by Housh123
                                Athletic finishing post scorer, shot creating post scorer or a slashing post scorer? What would you guys make


                                Ima make him 6’ 11” around 250-265 pounds


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                                7'0 250 max shoulder and arm length

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