Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

[howardphillips214]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

You serious?! How do you know this for sure?

This might explain why it takes us forever to find a game sometimes. Lol

There's no way someone can do enough testing on this to confirm it. IDK where some people get their ideas. The reason matchmaking is so poor of because hardly anyone truly makes PFs since height is such an advantage. You saw this especially during the early days of the combine. If 2ks population is 80% guards and wings, then 19 percent are all centers, the other 1% being true PFs it could probably make that difficult to program. That's a whole position on the floor that's negated by 3 inches. I really think 2k needs to rebuild this engine to make players more individual. Speed needs to matter, athleticism needs to be more valuable. Everyone wants to be Steph so the game caters to shooters. My pure slasher is pointless because without a reliable jumper, the floor doesn't get spaced properly. If we're going to continue in a fantasy 2k land where every tall player can shoot, finish, rebound, defend, even without the ratings and just due to height, wingspan, and your ability to spam the PF position will remain dead.

What's truly funny tho, 2 of my most dominant friends play PF at 6'10. They murder people constantly and can drop 40a game easily. Yet, their competition is forever still 7'3.

If the game wasn't geared towards shooting and rebounding being the 2 most valuable things in the game the meta won't change.

[ph33]

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There's no way someone can do enough testing on this to confirm it. IDK where some people get their ideas. The reason matchmaking is so poor of because hardly anyone truly makes PFs since height is such an advantage.

That doesn't affect Pro-AM matchmaking though. In Pro-AM you can run whatever lineup you please.

But yeah, I play with a great PF who is 6'10. Sometimes he's the small ball C.

[CBAT]

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Made a 7’2 285lbs post scorer first, sharp second. With my max 3 pointer only going to about 73, I’m wishing I went the other way. My team’s PF is a pure glass cleaner, therefore was looking to pose as a pick and pop threat, amongst other things, but at 73 3 pointer, I am not nearly as big of a stretch threat as I thought I’d be. Any thoughts from the big men?


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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Made a 7’2 285lbs post scorer first, sharp second. With my max 3 pointer only going to about 73, I’m wishing I went the other way. My team’s PF is a pure glass cleaner, therefore was looking to pose as a pick and pop threat, amongst other things, but at 73 3 pointer, I am not nearly as big of a stretch threat as I thought I’d be. Any thoughts from the big men?


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My 3 is a 73 and I hit them well. Just remember you are a post scorer first . Also get hot . Sounds like you should’ve done something sharp primary though .

[Housh123]

Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Made a 7’2 285lbs post scorer first, sharp second. With my max 3 pointer only going to about 73, I’m wishing I went the other way. My team’s PF is a pure glass cleaner, therefore was looking to pose as a pick and pop threat, amongst other things, but at 73 3 pointer, I am not nearly as big of a stretch threat as I thought I’d be. Any thoughts from the big men?


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That was actually the second archetype i ever Made. It only took a week to see it wasn’t that good. The 73 3ball just ain’t enough. And it’s not fair because compared to the other archetypes with 3pt as secondary the 3 is really really low.




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[howardphillips214]

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I dusted off my Dirk build for the team pro am. He's post first, sharp secondary. I've been getting better with base 9 on my slashers and even tho I'm boosting those characters jump shot I hit pretty consistently when wide. I didn't take too many jumpers in the game I played but I went 2/3 from deep. I was getting hot early tho. Started with a putback slam and then went on from there. I was drop stepping and post spinning and went 8/11 from the floor. I was facing a CPU tho LOL.

the key is staying hot and not just relegating yourself to a spot up shooter.

[jyoung]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Any build that has a three point rating under an 80 is meant to take catch and shoot threes from the corner, not from the wings or the top of the key.

You need extra badge bonuses or the on-fire bonus kicking in if you want to shoot threes consistently above the corners with a sub-80 rating.

[Chas3]

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Yo so I’m thinking about going with a Khawi Leonard build. I’m thinking sharpshooting defender. He gets silver catch and shoot, deep range, mid range, and corner specialist. Is that enough to shoot well with him?

So did u made the shot/sharp? How u like it?

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Literally about to play my first pro am game. Career and park has been nice. Had a 9, 5, 5, 2, 1 park game. No badges yet.



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[illwill10]

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I have been struggling on Post Drills. My Defensive Shot Creator Center only has a 66 Post rating. But I want to get at least Bronze Up and Under, Drop Step, and Post Spin. I tried the method/cheat where you hold L2/LT and go away from defender then do moves and score. But, when I do score by doing those, I get 0 in the drill score so it is a waste of doing it. It doesn't help that I have teammates with good post defensive. But I want those badges. My low post Ratings make it harder to achieve in game, so I have to rely on practices.

I like my build because the Shot Creator gives somewhat of rounded offensive game. But, I know now that Shot Creator isn't a great secondary badge for a big especially with defense primary. Where Post ratings(should max at 67 or 68), is too low to score on Post scores, 3pt rating is too low, Dunk and Shot inside is alright at best. Mid Range is best offensive rating, but I think my max is 78-79. I'm hoping 80, but doubt it. So even with Mid Range Deadeye, I need to perfectly time shots. That badge was the primary Reason I chose Shot Creator secondary. But that badge doesn't really trigger in game unless you are smothered. I would rather have Pick and Pop Badge. I thought I originally had the badge I have the Pick and pop drill inside Pick and Roller drill list. That Badge would have really helped with a sub 80 Mid Range rating.

[howardphillips214]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

I have been struggling on Post Drills. My Defensive Shot Creator Center only has a 66 Post rating. But I want to get at least Bronze Up and Under, Drop Step, and Post Spin. I tried the method/cheat where you hold L2/LT and go away from defender then do moves and score. But, when I do score by doing those, I get 0 in the drill score so it is a waste of doing it. It doesn't help that I have teammates with good post defensive. But I want those badges. My low post Ratings make it harder to achieve in game, so I have to rely on practices.

I like my build because the Shot Creator gives somewhat of rounded offensive game. But, I know now that Shot Creator isn't a great secondary badge for a big especially with defense primary. Where Post ratings(should max at 67 or 68), is too low to score on Post scores, 3pt rating is too low, Dunk and Shot inside is alright at best. Mid Range is best offensive rating, but I think my max is 78-79. I'm hoping 80, but doubt it. So even with Mid Range Deadeye, I need to perfectly time shots. That badge was the primary Reason I chose Shot Creator secondary. But that badge doesn't really trigger in game unless you are smothered. I would rather have Pick and Pop Badge. I thought I originally had the badge I have the Pick and pop drill inside Pick and Roller drill list. That Badge would have really helped with a sub 80 Mid Range rating.

Honestly, I figured you would have some struggles when you made the build. However, I disagree with the post game in career. My point forward only has a 66 post game and I can drop step online even. You just have to understand how to trigger it. I may not FINISH all the time but I can perform the move.

When you are 1 on 1 on the low block, you hold the left stick toward the opposite shoulder of the ball hand and tap shoot. This CAN mean towards baseline but not all the time. If you're posted directly under the rim even you can drop step OUT and still get a nice little floater.

For post spinning, when playing the CPU try and guide your defender away from the baseline. While you're posted, instead of trying to back them into the paint, hold your left stick AWAY from baseline to trigger the animation where you shift your weight into your defender but inch him AWAY from baseline then post spin away from him. Also, if they do send the double the best thing is to spin INTO the double to split the defense for a nice slam.

Hope this helps.

[illwill10]

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Honestly, I figured you would have some struggles when you made the build. However, I disagree with the post game in career. My point forward only has a 66 post game and I can drop step online even. You just have to understand how to trigger it. I may not FINISH all the time but I can perform the move.

When you are 1 on 1 on the low block, you hold the left stick toward the opposite shoulder of the ball hand and tap shoot. This CAN mean towards baseline but not all the time. If you're posted directly under the rim even you can drop step OUT and still get a nice little floater.

For post spinning, when playing the CPU try and guide your defender away from the baseline. While you're posted, instead of trying to back them into the paint, hold your left stick AWAY from baseline to trigger the animation where you shift your weight into your defender but inch him AWAY from baseline then post spin away from him. Also, if they do send the double the best thing is to spin INTO the double to split the defense for a nice slam.

Hope this helps.

Yeah that's my problem. I'm probably not doing the Post Moves correctly and not knowing how to trigger it.
I'll try it alittle later thanks.

[Chas3]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Tryna invest in a 2-way Kwahi-esc build for pro am so I did sharpshooting lockdown. I get above 85 on steals, blocks, shot contest. Lateral quickness is 83. Speed is 80. 3-point gets to like a 76 but I get silver catch and shoot, deep range dead eye, limitless range, and corner specialist. I also get silver posterizer and one man fastbreak so I think even though I have an average dunk rating of 75, my speed and vertical combined with the posterizer will allow me to dunk on people. Obviously no contact dunk animation besides the big man ones, but that’s okay. Just dunking on someone without the animations is equally as satisfying.


As for my 6’8 sharpshooting shot creator T-Mac build, I had 16,7,7 and 20, 12, 4 in my two walk on games with him. Overall he’s slow. No badges yet. No handles yet. 86 overall but there’s a speed and handle boost that makes a significant difference at 87 and 90. I’ll keep you guys updated on this build. I hope I like him more after those overalls.


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[shawnydee]

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Tryna invest in a 2-way Kwahi-esc build for pro am so I did sharpshooting lockdown. I get above 85 on steals, blocks, shot contest. Lateral quickness is 83. Speed is 80. 3-point gets to like a 76 but I get silver catch and shoot, deep range dead eye, limitless range, and corner specialist. I also get silver posterizer and one man fastbreak so I think even though I have an average dunk rating of 75, my speed and vertical combined with the posterizer will allow me to dunk on people. Obviously no contact dunk animation besides the big man ones, but that’s okay. Just dunking on someone without the animations is equally as satisfying.


As for my 6’8 sharpshooting shot creator T-Mac build, I had 16,7,7 and 20, 12, 4 in my two walk on games with him. Overall he’s slow. No badges yet. No handles yet. 86 overall but there’s a speed and handle boost that makes a significant difference at 87 and 90. I’ll keep you guys updated on this build. I hope I like him more after those overalls.


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I decided to make the 6'8 sharpshooting shot creator to see if i see a difference and i did notice a couple of things. Im still grinding the badges tho

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[Chas3]

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I decided to make the 6'8 sharpshooting shot creator to see if i see a difference and i did notice a couple of things. Im still grinding the badges tho

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Difference between which build? Playmaking shot? After you get the badges you can shoot from anywhere. I just love being athletic so I hope he’s athletic enough.


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[shawnydee]

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Difference between which build? Playmaking shot? After you get the badges you can shoot from anywhere. I just love being athletic so I hope he’s athletic enough.


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Not sure if it is my jumpshot but with 83 3pt im not that consistent if its not in thr corner

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