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  • TheFinalEvent97
    MVP
    • Jul 2016
    • 1519

    #496
    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
    I recommend Beluba's twitter right now . Tweeted a few good things about builds.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Beluba?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
    According to him the shot meter is always the same size unlike last year where it varied depending on your ratings, taking shots from places where you have low attributes is still a bad idea.

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    • sparkybob
      Rookie
      • Sep 2016
      • 78

      #497
      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

      Originally posted by Caelumfang
      https://mobile.twitter.com/Beluba/st...69761181917184

      See, and it's tweets like this that piss me off. Like someone said, why even make it an archetype if they aren't allowed to have the same success as a standing shot of the same rating? That literally negates the purpose of the entire thing.
      If I understand it right the SC will still be better at those shots than any other archetypes. It adds another tool into their offensive tool set that other archetypes don't have.

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      • infemous
        MVP
        • Nov 2009
        • 1568

        #498
        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

        Originally posted by The Gym Reaper
        86 Ball Control is where you hit the Level 3 dribbler tier. If that's what you consider "speed boosting" then there's your answer.
        — Mike Wang (@Beluba) September 6, 2017
        Man I'm so geeked to see what speeds I can get with what height and what speed with ball I can get.

        Originally posted by The Gym Reaper
        I still need to know how height/weight factors in. Hopefully the prelude can tell me what I need to know...
        I don't think it will, I think we can only upgrade our player after the Prelude. Or at least see the stats after the prelude. It seems pretty linear.

        Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
        I recommend Beluba's twitter right now . Tweeted a few good things about builds.

        https://mobile.twitter.com/Beluba?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
        Intrigued by what he's saying about shot creators. I wonder how they've adjusted how the ratings are distributed.
        Blood in my mouth beats blood on the ground.

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        • hyretic
          Rookie
          • Sep 2016
          • 199

          #499
          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

          Originally posted by Caelumfang
          https://mobile.twitter.com/Beluba/st...69761181917184



          See, and it's tweets like this that piss me off. Like someone said, why even make it an archetype if they aren't allowed to have the same success as a standing shot of the same rating? That literally negates the purpose of the entire thing.
          They're trying to simulate a basketball game man. Shots with set feet are always going to be better shots. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to make a shot creator.

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          • infemous
            MVP
            • Nov 2009
            • 1568

            #500
            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

            Originally posted by Caelumfang
            https://mobile.twitter.com/Beluba/st...69761181917184



            See, and it's tweets like this that piss me off. Like someone said, why even make it an archetype if they aren't allowed to have the same success as a standing shot of the same rating? That literally negates the purpose of the entire thing.
            Nah a off dribble shot is inherently more difficult to pull off, they're seldom recommended. It's like contested shot ratings, you still don't want to be shooting contested, but if you have to, its a skill other positions don't have that you can fall back on.

            I'm glad Mike is using basketball logic to make the gameplay balanced.
            Blood in my mouth beats blood on the ground.

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            • Caelumfang
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 1218

              #501
              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

              Originally posted by sparkybob
              If I understand it right the SC will still be better at those shots than any other archetypes. It adds another tool into their offensive tool set that other archetypes don't have.
              Problem is, that has now COMPLETELY neutered their ability to shoot 3s in ANY fashion. You could at least get away with stepback 3s in 2k17, ala Harden or Kyrie. Seems like there's literally no point in ever playing them around the 3-point line anymore, which might make them a completely useless Pro Am archetype. Again.

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              • TheFinalEvent97
                MVP
                • Jul 2016
                • 1519

                #502
                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                Originally posted by Caelumfang
                Problem is, that has now COMPLETELY neutered their ability to shoot 3s in ANY fashion. You could at least get away with stepback 3s in 2k17, ala Harden or Kyrie. Seems like there's literally no point in ever playing them around the 3-point line anymore, which might make them a completely useless Pro Am archetype. Again.
                Hopefully Shot Creators get much higher standing shot ratings than last year, not as good as sharps but around 80ish so your a threat to catch&shoot from 3.

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                • ph33
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3261

                  #503
                  Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                  Originally posted by The Gym Reaper
                  86 Ball Control is where you hit the Level 3 dribbler tier. If that's what you consider "speed boosting" then there's your answer.
                  — Mike Wang (@Beluba) September 6, 2017
                  If that's the case, then only pure shot creators or playmaker as a secondary will do those moves

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                  • Caelumfang
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 1218

                    #504
                    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                    Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                    Hopefully Shot Creators get much higher standing shot ratings than last year, not as good as sharps but around 80ish so your a threat to catch&shoot from 3.
                    I sure freakin' hope so...

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                    • The Gym Reaper
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 438

                      #505
                      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                      Originally posted by infemous
                      Man I'm so geeked to see what speeds I can get with what height and what speed with ball I can get.



                      I don't think it will, I think we can only upgrade our player after the Prelude. Or at least see the stats after the prelude. It seems pretty linear.



                      Intrigued by what he's saying about shot creators. I wonder how they've adjusted how the ratings are distributed.
                      Same. I just hate all the detective work we have to do before building our archetypes. All of this info should be available.
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                      • The Gym Reaper
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2017
                        • 438

                        #506
                        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?
                        5'7-6'2 is 16 bars 6'2-6'5 is 18 bars 6'6-6'7 is 21 bars
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                        • Caelumfang
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 1218

                          #507
                          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                          Basically, my main concern stems from competitive Pro-Am. If SCs aren't rewarded with at least a very serviceable 3-point rating (75-80ish), then specializing in mid-range really doesn't do anything for teams in that mode. Which might, unfortunately, throw them on the back-burner again. You aren't midranging anyone to death in anything other than Walk-On or Park.

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                          • thedream2k16
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 651

                            #508
                            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                            I will be a pure perimeter defender going for HOF defensive badge. Gonna love breaking peoples spirits when all of their offensive badges are worthless with me guarding them.

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                            • YannisLB
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 212

                              #509
                              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                              I would like to see what thoses max attributes are precisely for every build

                              Cause theses blocks dont tell me anything.

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                              • TheFinalEvent97
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 1519

                                #510
                                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                                Originally posted by Caelumfang
                                Basically, my main concern stems from competitive Pro-Am. If SCs aren't rewarded with at least a very serviceable 3-point rating (75-80ish), then specializing in mid-range really doesn't do anything for teams in that mode. Which might, unfortunately, throw them on the back-burner again. You aren't midranging anyone to death in anything other than Walk-On or Park.
                                IF what they said about greens being extremely rare is true it would have much more value. I'm not putting much weight on the gameplay so far as the Prelude last year was on a really low difficulty.

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