Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

It is looking good! Thank you Czar!!!!!

[strosdood]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

There absolutely was a hot fix this morning.



Just hit (or even had the opportunity to attempt) my first drive, kick, swing to beat the rotation 3 in 2 weeks.



Thank you Czar!



Still testing but its at least better than what it just was.

Great news! I’m glad Czar is on defense now…… he is awesome


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[kwabalicious]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Great news, definitely appears to be a change.

When there's one defender on the weakside, he'll drop down if there's a threat to get into the paint.

When there's 2 defenders on the weakside, the help unfortunately comes from the wing defender rather than the corner defender, but the corner defender is now playing both effectively so that it isn't so much of an issue.

Not quite the fundamental help concept, but the game feels like it did several days ago.

EDIT---
The defender often isn't playing both in the two-man-weakside scenario but is at least stunting towards the open man. Most often the help defender will have to scramble back to his man if the ball goes weakside, but I did see an instance where they switched, which is encouraging.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Corner man rotating down

https://streamable.com/0ht0y9

Hot fix?



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Throwback pass on a open backside lift because of backside corner help. Now that’s basketball! Was that from an update today? Go to work Arob!

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Throwback pass on a open backside lift because of backside corner help. Now that’s basketball! Was that from an update today? Go to work Arob!

This was nice too....

https://streamable.com/e529sf

I like all the stunting and lane filling the CPU is doing now...was that in before?

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[Mikelopedia]

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There are definitely certain situations that are still lacking as the post above describes when the weakside who is supposed to play 2 doesnt rotate, and I'm still able to get a few too many 1 on 1 opportunities at the rim, but there's no question it's better.
I'd have to do more testing to see if individual help D ratings are factoring into any of these decisions. That would be awesome if it were. But at this point it overall feels like an ok compromise between our complaints and the more casual gamer complaints.

Here is a great example of the lovely positives of where the system is now. See Duncan recognize the pop man (Warren), but stay home on the corner while Jimmy is still engaged, all the while staying square to pop so that he can react quickly to the pass, Jimmy rotates to the corner, I force baseline, Bam steps up to force the mid range pull up, leaving me free to continue on to box out Turner. Whew, beautiful.
100% on ball while I'm able to trust my teammates.

https://youtu.be/S19BJSXqIw8

I'll add that Jimmy probably overhelped there as Sabonis was being rode right into Bam, but I'd rather see overhelp to protect the paint if the backside rotations are there

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This was nice too....

https://streamable.com/e529sf

I like all the stunting and lane filling the CPU is doing now...was that in before?

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That’s nice too BUT I’d like to see the corner lift to scramble where the extra “one more” pass to the corner is needed. That’s basketball. That’s what we need more of is 1 more pass for corner 3’s. The initial rotation is fine but the scramble needs to be behind it there … The corner defender should have lifted to scramble for help on the wing opening up the one more pass to the corner and they X out to close on the corner 3.

thanks for doing those videos though! Much better and encouraging after all that’s been said and shown in this thread. I figured it would be fixed soon but not this soon. Good stuff

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

There are definitely certain situations that are still lacking as the post above describes when the weakside who is supposed to play 2 doesnt rotate, and I'm still able to get a few too many 1 on 1 opportunities at the rim, but there's no question it's better.
I'd have to do more testing to see if individual help D ratings are factoring into any of these decisions. That would be awesome if it were. But at this point it overall feels like an ok compromise between our complaints and the more casual gamer complaints.

Here is a great example of the lovely positives of where the system is now. See Duncan recognize the pop man (Warren), but stay home on the corner while Jimmy is still engaged, all the while staying square to pop so that he can react quickly to the pass, Jimmy rotates to the corner, I force baseline, Bam steps up to force the mid range pull up, leaving me free to continue on to box out Turner. Whew, beautiful.
100% on ball while I'm able to trust my teammates.

https://youtu.be/S19BJSXqIw8

I agree and there are 3 factors that can definitely help from my testing.

1 - player help d iq attributes are low out of box. You can globally raise and you will see way better help.

2 - Defensive sliders defensive awareness is huge for both on ball defense and scramble logic. Be careful not to put too high though or they scramble too good and fast. 65-75 is good 85 is super fast rotations.

3 - Before every game I go and change user and cpu help defense slider to 85-95. It’s a slider for how often help d comes for that team. Most all teams are set at 50 and some are at 35. Meaning barely help at all.

All of these will drastically help with help defense, rotations, and scrambles. Especially after double teams.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I am seeing the CPU mismatch logic that Smirkin Dirk noticed: I just played a game against Utah and KD defended Gobert when Blake was at the Center. Pretty damn neat!

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Here's a great example of a bad mistake by the AI D.
As Jimmy blows by, you would probably want Myles to leave Bam in this situation as he's in great position and the weakside has 2 shooters. Brogdon instead rotates over from the weak corner, but Warrens back is to Tucker and never rotates, so its an easy pass out of the triple team for a wide open green bean.
Now, is that due to TJ Warren's poor help D rating (which is still better than Duncans in 2ks roster) or cause his back was turned, or simply cause the drive help system isn't as good as the pnr system when it comes to rotating?

https://youtu.be/QSp_PL-UrKQ

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

https://youtu.be/3ZJLdyWKbjw

This is a PnR example of bad help from a 1 pass away strongside corner. This has always been a problem in drive help as well. Brogdon recognizes Bam as a threat, but rather than LeVert playing 2 with Lowry on the weak block, or even Sabonis sagging in and LeVert rotating out to Duncan if that skip pass happens, Brogdon runs away from the easy pass and even runs past the driving Jimmy to tag the roller. This action would have been appropriate if Jimmy drove left off the PnR.

Just trying to post examples of everything I'm seeing, but I'm still much happier playing this version of 2k22 as opposed to my earlier stance of just throwing this crap away and waiting for 2k23 lol.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Can someone tell me where to find the Help D slider? I was told to look into the coach settings but see no such slider there.

I’m not in front of the game, but it’s not coach settings it’s coach sliders I believe under coach settings. Pause game, go to coach settings, 2nd from bottom iirc. It’s the 1st slider. Help defense (how often players will help). I always put at 85-95. It’s set to 50 for most all teams out of box. Some teams are at 35 which means they will very rarely help. I have asked for years to have this be a roster edit and 99.9% of people don’t use or even know about it and how it helps cpu and team defensive rotations. As is you can only change before the game and by switching controls quickly. I will switch to cpu before game and change as well as do this for my team. It’s a must edit before every game.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I’m not in front of the game, but it’s not coach settings it’s coach sliders I believe under coach settings. Pause game, go to coach settings, 2nd from bottom iirc. It’s the 1st slider. Help defense (how often players will help). I always put at 85-95. It’s set to 50 for most all teams out of box. Some teams are at 35 which means they will very rarely help. I have asked for years to have this be a roster edit and 99.9% of people don’t use or even know about it and how it helps cpu and team defensive rotations. As is you can only change before the game and by switching controls quickly. I will switch to cpu before game and change as well as do this for my team. It’s a must edit before every game.

After this morning's update, I'm interested to see what impact this slider has now. I'm like you I always have it 85 - 95 (100 in 2k21 as a bleep you essentially lol) but haven't messed with it yet.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Mike, and Van being that I hate you guys (and 24th) I would:

1) Ask that you stop confusing people with all this basketball lingo and strategy. Coach Bud is the worst coach in the NBA and he has a ring and coach of the year trophy.

2) Ask that you guys put on the record if the help defense has been fixed.

3) Put on the record whether or not I need to take down my video. If they have fixed the help defense. Then there is no reason to keep the video up.

You all have 20 minutes to answer me. Ha.

Seriously though. This all sounds like good news. I will get back on the game later today to check things out for myself.

Dirk and Rudy? What are you all seeing?

[Dione2014]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Hell I’ve been out of town in Vegas since the first of this month. Unplugged My PS5 before I left. I think I’m going to disconnect from the internet and just rock without the patch.

Another good option (but an expensive one) is to get another console and another copy of 2K and just leave that one offline. I’m not brave enough for that one lol