Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I play off ball D. I don't care what anybody says there is nothing wrong with it.

I like to play defense with the PF or Center. Thats just my preference. So if you're setting up your offense with the PG im not going to guard you.

As soon as you pass to your PF or center then i will be playing on ball D.

THis isn't all the time kind of like 65% of the time. the other times i'll be controlling the SF or SG on D. Unless i have a defensive PG i just dont see the point in controlling him on d.

I agree 100% and play the same way. If I am playing with Greg Oden, or back in the day Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo I would play as the big man and change the way you play. I will play help defense but not camp out. If you beat the cpu defender and get to me then either pull up, pump fake or pass to the man I should be guarding! It's basketball and IMO has nothing to do with not being SIM. I play sim! I run plays 80-90% of the time, rarely double, never press full court and I spread the ball around to all players. Yet because I play off ball some of the time with certain players or teams that makes me not SIM?

I see in all these SIM leagues rules that you have to play on ball, I don't think thats SIM! Every team and individual person plays differently than another. Thats what make leagues fun and a challenge. You need to adjust to a players style. I do believe however there need to be rules such as FC Press and stuff like that that is unrealistic to what you see in the real NBA. Plus in past games guarding the ball was nearly impossible so IMO people just want to have highlight dunks all the time and that isnt realistic either...

IDK just my opinion...

[Teebone21]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

bottom line the game should be adjusted to give on ball defenders an advantage that would clear all confusion. in 2k11 i won really care if someone plays center because i will spread the floor and make them leave their man wide open for easy basket. I use yao btw so i doubt the guy above me will play on ball D against my post moves. cant sit back and watch the cpu do all the work can you LOL

[Jesus]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I agree 100% and play the same way. If I am playing with Greg Oden, or back in the day Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo I would play as the big man and change the way you play. I will play help defense but not camp out. If you beat the cpu defender and get to me then either pull up, pump fake or pass to the man I should be guarding! It's basketball and IMO has nothing to do with not being SIM. I play sim! I run plays 80-90% of the time, rarely double, never press full court and I spread the ball around to all players. Yet because I play off ball some of the time with certain players or teams that makes me not SIM?

I see in all these SIM leagues rules that you have to play on ball, I don't think thats SIM! Every team and individual person plays differently than another. Thats what make leagues fun and a challenge. You need to adjust to a players style. I do believe however there need to be rules such as FC Press and stuff like that that is unrealistic to what you see in the real NBA. Plus in past games guarding the ball was nearly impossible so IMO people just want to have highlight dunks all the time and that isnt realistic either...

IDK just my opinion...

If a person is not using exploits, its not cheese. And for the record i play similarly.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

bottom line the game should be adjusted to give on ball defenders an advantage that would clear all confusion. in 2k11 i won really care if someone plays center because i will spread the floor and make them leave their man wide open for easy basket. I use yao btw so i doubt the guy above me will play on ball D against my post moves. cant sit back and watch the cpu do all the work can you LOL

Actually I would play against the post and probably be denying the post look. But if I saw that thats all you liked to do then maybe I would switch to the guard who was guarding the post entry passer and double quickly on Yao. Great thing about 2k11 though this year is that there is a counter to that with touch passing. But maybe I would send a weak side defender your way played by me as well. I would give you plenty of looks and just because it's off ball doesn't make it not sim. Point is I can play you many different ways and give you many different looks just by playing off ball and all I'm doing is adjusting to the way you play just like a game of chess.

For the record I am a basketball coach and run my own AAU basketball program so I play realistically and SIM. I love x's and o's offensively and defensively!

The key is 2k making the recovery times not as easy to recover especially with a guy like Yao with very slow feet. By the looks of Czars video when Turkoglu was trying to chase ginobli i believe it was around the screen he was way behind. I like that. This means if I help with yao and you kick to Duncan in the corner for example I can't magically recover by warping and blocking shot. I love defense and hope there is more defense in this game but at the same time there has to be an answer and a solution for everything in game whether that be offensively or defensively.

Bring on Yao though PLEAASE!

[Moshood]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I'm a sim oriented player because I don't like unrealistic things happening. I play defense with the player I want to control and its not always on ball defense. Maybe I want to control the center or power forward to prevent the ball from being dumped in the post because the opponent is killing me in the post and I need to deter the opponent from getting the ball into the post to stop the onslaught. According to this sim rule of always playing on ball defense my opponent can simply take the PG and I play on ball defense on him and destroy me with a play ran for the shooting gaurd because the CPU gaurding the all star shooting gaurd is letting him get wide open and bust jumpers all day before I can do anything about it because I'm stuck playing on ball defense on the PG and can't switch in time to defend the shooting gaurd. I need to be gaurding the player that is the biggest threat or controlling the person I think will stop the offense from executing. Why waste time playing on ball defense on a player that is not worth playing on ball defense on and get dissected in the process because I should have been playing off ball defense and stopping the real threat. That on ball defense at all times is anti-sim and not even a smart thing to do strategy wise. Plus I'm not pressing the switch player button like mad if my opponent is working the ball all over the place just to be on ball. I do play on ball defense though if the situation calls for it.

[phant030]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

1. Everyone who plays NBA games aren't NBA fans. They may not know what a good shot is, how to create opps for other players on the court. They just know LBJ is a beast. He may have a bet with his friend that he can score 80 w/ LBJ in his next online matchup. We don't know what others are playing for, or why they are playing...we shouldn't have unrealistic expectations of how others should play...it's uncontrollable. Just got to take the good w/ the bad.

2. Users use what works, not necessarily good basketball. They find their goto and use that until it is stopped. Pretty unaware that they are 'cheesing'. They are just going to what they are comfortable with (excluding known exploits). Just like if a player hacks at half court, and jack a 3 and hit 12 of them in the first quarter...he would think all i want to do is shoot 3, when the real problem is him reaching. He will call u a cheeser. Just like you call them cheesers when they lead pass...they may think u just cant defend it.

3. Defensive Preferences. He may be a C in real life, his favorite player is a C, so he will be his guy on defense, just like others go to Kobe on O.

4. Game limitations. If players dont get tired, why not press. If you have a well conditioned team IRL, you will press for the advantage too. He is just using what the game allows to his advantage. Don't hate the player, hate the game (lol, cant believe i said that). If they aren't getting steals or anything, it's not effective anyway. Same w/ hacking, the devs fault for not turning up reach in fouls. If they are punished, i bet they would stop. IRL, refs letting physical play go...you play more physical b/c no foul are called.

5. Just got to have fun. Stop over analyzing other's play b/c we dont know if they are intentionally trying to mar the experience...most of the time anyways....I know it can be annoying...just take it as practice for the next player that does it.

So i guess, my definintion of cheesing is knowingly abusing exploits. Sim is a range of playing like a coach and just chilling, playing the game for fun, not trying to run sets to perfection, just playing some resemblance of basketball b/c u enjoy the sport but don't know the intricacies.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I'm a sim oriented player because I don't like unrealistic things happening. I play defense with the player I want to control and its not always on ball defense. Maybe I want to control the center or power forward to prevent the ball from being dumped in the post because the opponent is killing me in the post and I need to deter the opponent from getting the ball into the post to stop the onslaught. According to this sim rule of always playing on ball defense my opponent can simply take the PG and I play on ball defense on him and destroy me with a play ran for the shooting gaurd because the CPU gaurding the all star shooting gaurd is letting him get wide open and bust jumpers all day before I can do anything about it because I'm stuck playing on ball defense on the PG and can't switch in time to defend the shooting gaurd. I need to be gaurding the player that is the biggest threat or controlling the person I think will stop the offense from executing. Why waste time playing on ball defense on a player that is not worth playing on ball defense on and get dissected in the process because I should have been playing off ball defense and stopping the real threat. That on ball defense at all times is anti-sim and not even a smart thing to do strategy wise. Plus I'm not pressing the switch player button like mad if my opponent is working the ball all over the place just to be on ball. I do play on ball defense though if the situation calls for it.

I agree 100%!

Another example which hopefully won't happen this year was the pick n roll exploit and how wide open the roller was every time! No matter if you were the guy guarding the ball or the guy guarding the picker you would get killed because there was no help defense. You needed to be in help defense in 2k10. This year looks like it will be different but it depends on the situation. Do i want to guard ball and go over or under the pick? Do I want to hedge or create space for my teammate guarding the ball or do I just want to switch everything? It depends on who your using, who is guarding who, and who you are playing against. Is the player I am playing using pick n rools or have an option with a shooter for a pick n pop? Is the point guard a shooter or not? If it's Rondo then I will go under everything or I will play with a big in help to prevent an easy lay-up.

Like you stated above, it isn't even smart basketball or strategy to play defense on the ball every play and switch everytime a player passes the ball. I agree that SIM is just playing basketball like you see it on TV. NBA teams do not press. They do double and especially in the post from all different angles if there is a low post threat. Everyone takes one pass away which passing in and out and then reversing the ball becomes crucial. The spacing in this game looks great and doubling will be tough.

I would not post SIM rules for 2k11 until you have the game because SIM rules for 2k10 might not be relevant in 2k11.

[VDusen04]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

1. Everyone who plays NBA games aren't NBA fans. They may not know what a good shot is, how to create opps for other players on the court. They just know LBJ is a beast. He may have a bet with his friend that he can score 80 w/ LBJ in his next online matchup. We don't know what others are playing for, or why they are playing...we shouldn't have unrealistic expectations of how others should play...it's uncontrollable. Just got to take the good w/ the bad.

2. Users use what works, not necessarily good basketball. They find their goto and use that until it is stopped. Pretty unaware that they are 'cheesing'. They are just going to what they are comfortable with (excluding known exploits). Just like if a player hacks at half court, and jack a 3 and hit 12 of them in the first quarter...he would think all i want to do is shoot 3, when the real problem is him reaching. He will call u a cheeser. Just like you call them cheesers when they lead pass...they may think u just cant defend it.

3. Defensive Preferences. He may be a C in real life, his favorite player is a C, so he will be his guy on defense, just like others go to Kobe on O.

4. Game limitations. If players dont get tired, why not press. If you have a well conditioned team IRL, you will press for the advantage too. He is just using what the game allows to his advantage. Don't hate the player, hate the game (lol, cant believe i said that). If they aren't getting steals or anything, it's not effective anyway. Same w/ hacking, the devs fault for not turning up reach in fouls. If they are punished, i bet they would stop. IRL, refs letting physical play go...you play more physical b/c no foul are called.

5. Just got to have fun. Stop over analyzing other's play b/c we dont know if they are intentionally trying to mar the experience...most of the time anyways....I know it can be annoying...just take it as practice for the next player that does it.

So i guess, my definintion of cheesing is knowingly abusing exploits. Sim is a range of playing like a coach and just chilling, playing the game for fun, not trying to run sets to perfection, just playing some resemblance of basketball b/c u enjoy the sport but don't know the intricacies.

That's a pretty good post there, friend. I think you're on point. I have to admit right off the top, I know I've been guilty of number 4 on your list during my very limited amount of time online. First, in one of those games where everyone plays (a Team-Up?) I remember running the floor with Pau Gasol in transition and running to the basket (like a good big man should) and getting passes and bunny finishes repeatedly. My first thought was not that I was exploiting the opponent. Rather, it was like, "Man, I'm unstoppable today. Alright!" I thought I was just doing the right thing. Only after looking back in retrospect (and reading on these boards) did I realize that maybe I was exploiting a bug of some kind.


Similarly, I never second guessed about using the lead pass. If I saw a place I wanted my player to be, and I wanted to pass him the ball, I'd toss a lead pass leading to that spot of the floor. I remember having someone quit on me when for once I was putting in work with the Phoenix Suns. His defense yielded many cuts and dunks. It was frustrating to think someone had a problem with me and I felt as if I was supposed to hold up and not play my best.

Your timely use of the phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game" makes sense to me in this case. I never knowingly abused anything on 2K, I just played the game as I saw fit. For me, it's not fun winning at all costs - you won't see me trying to take charges all over the backcourt - but it's also not fun forcefully holding back and trying whatever I can to make the game play super duper real. I just like to. . .play.

[Ginobli's Left Hand]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Cheesers will always try to find a way to justify their cheddar.

[Ginobli's Left Hand]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Needless to say, a lot of cheesers will be exposed this year.

[kolanji]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

This Was Originally posted by Flipshouse in 2004 and I'll be ****** if it doesn't still apply
if you ask yourself am I a cheeser the answers are in here



Everybody talks about sim play; just about every league out there boasts that it’s geared toward sim style. People accuse other players of “cheese” all the time. Rarely, though, is sim play defined. I’m going to take a little bit of time to give my interpretation of what “All-Sim” means to me, then explain why it’s a style of play that gives you the most enjoyment out of this game. Again, this is obviously just my opinion, but I think the majority of people would agree with me on most points.


What is Sim Gameplay?

Simply enough, it means playing the videogame like the real sport that it represents. It means not taking advantage of obvious flaws in the AI. It means controlling the game yourself, and not allowing the computer to play the other player. Probably most importantly, it means playing with variety.


The Ideal Perfect Sim Player

I’m going to describe what the ideal “All Sim” player would play. I’m not going to get into particular strategies, because there’s an unlimited number of ways you can play, and still be considered “All Sim”.

Defense
* Controls the defender on the ball
A sim style player almost always is controlling the defender on the ball. Why? Because you’re playing head to head against another person, how you do on defense should depend on how well YOU play defense, not how well the CPU can guard the other player. The ball is where the action is….that’s where you, the gamer, should want to be playing. If you’re playing away from the ball, that just leads to dirty gameplay habits (which I’ll discuss later) anyhow. Besides, anyone who actually D’s up on the ball will tell you that a steal or a charge that YOU actually control is so much more gratifying than anything you can watch the CPU do for you.

* Plays at least some man-to-man
All legit players play at least a portion of the game in man-to-man defense. Why? Well, have you ever seen an actual NBA game where the team didn’t play at least half the game in man-to-man? It just doesn’t happen, even “zone” teams in the NBA still play the majority of the game straight up man defense. There’s another reason for this as well. For some reason, the plays in NBA 2K5 just don’t work against zones. I don’t mean they’re not effective….I mean there’s an error with the AI, and most of the times the players won’t behave like they’re supposed to according to the play called. In fact, most of the time, they’ll just sit there. I’m not saying it’s necessary to play the whole game in man to man, but if you’re truly a sim player, man to man should be part of your repertoire.

* Doesn’t abuse double teaming
A straight up sim player will almost never double team anybody ALWAYS. Double teams are obviously part of basketball, but there’s a limit to how much they can be used. It’s pretty obvious when somebody is abusing double teams. Honestly, double teams aren’t inherently bad, what makes them dirty is when the defense allows the CPU defenders to handle the ball, while the human controlled player roams for the steal (Again, something I’ll bring up again later).

* Pressuring inbounds
This isn’t that big of a deal, but it’s definitely something that bothers me. Playing a sim style game means that you’re not going to inbound the ball directly under the hoop (another thing I’ll touch on in a bit), so I get a little upset when someone pressures the inbound and attempt a steal (I’m speaking of inbounds from half court, after a foul or out of bounds). Essentially, they are pressuring you to inbound toward the hoop….which they really don’t want, and I can guarantee they would accuse you of cheesy gameplay if you did. As a side note, all cheese can be beaten, it just requires that you stretch your gameplay a little to the cheesy side yourself. That’s why I consider this poor gameplay, it punishes you for playing straight up, and forces you to inbound toward the hoop, which is a huge no-no. A legit player would recognize he is playing a sim player and allow the inbound to the pg in the backcourt without denying him the ball. Like I said, this is kind of being picky, but after all, I am describing the ideal sim player.

Offense
* Passes the ball and runs an offense
All sim players out there actually run an offense that either involves exploiting mismatches or relies on using ball movement to get the defense out of position. Why? Because that’s what basketball is all about. It shows that you not only have skill at pushing the buttons, but also have at least some knowledge of what makes for “good” basketball.

* Spreads the ball around
A true sim gamer doesn’t just go to one or two players all game long. That just doesn’t happen in real life. In a real game, almost every player on the court gets a chance to be part of the offense at some time. I realize that there are dominant performances by superstars from time to time, but there is nothing even close to what most “No Sim” gamers out there play like. Take for example, just last night, Lebron went off for 56 pts, while the Cavs only put up 98 points for the game. Lebron had 36 shot attempts in that game and while that seems like quite a bit, the team had 81 attempts total. So, even on a completely dominant game by Lebron, he still took well under 50% of the shots. A true sim player remembers who his superstars are and gives them the most looks, but still remembers that this is a five player game.

* Variety in shots
The shot chart is the true gauge of an “All Sim” baler (at least on the offensive end). A legit player takes shots from a variety of locations….including a mix of 3’s, shots in the paint, and the oh-so-rare midrange game. A sim player doesn’t just jack up 3’s, nor does he just pound it to his bigs on the inside….a decent player does both, but a truly sim player will shoot with a decent player wherever they can get an open shot, including some shots that are neither 3’s or dunks (midrange).

* Inbounds to the pg in a realistic location
Sim players never inbound the ball all the way down court. It takes advantage of an AI flaw that apparently doesn’t let you steal inbound passes. A straight up player will actually move his pg back toward the inbounder and receive the ball below the free throw line the majority of the time. I shouldn’t even have to talk about inbounding the ball directly under the hoop after a foul, timeout, or any dead ball past half court…..anyone caught pulling this is immediately known as a dirty player.

Team Selection
It isn’t always the case, but normally, the truly “All Sim” players will play with lesser teams. Why? Because they play enough to get sick of the same powerhouse teams over and over, and they also realize that the team’s rankings aren’t as important as how you use them. Like I said, this isn’t always the case….sometimes you’ll find a sim baller who just happens to be from Minnesota, but a truly sim player will, at minimum, match up teams if he is the challenger.
<!-- / message -->

am sorry ma man but i cant agree with u here one bit....what u consider sim is based on what u expect ppl to do agaisnt u..and that is just not how games,sports nor life is about.u cant go on complaining about things u have no control over..the off the ball defense is in the game if u chose to use it then that is ur style.if it is in the game dont complain about it because it is out of ur control.so in other words u want ppl to limit their game to a portion because the rest is somewhat to u irrelivant to be "SIM"?
the truth that u fail to realise is that according to ur definition of a cheeser or a non sim player is every team in the nba.every coach in the nba is a cheeser in that case; from the hack a shack procedure to the bad boy of the detroit piston that play dirty and hit JOrdan hard and fast everytime he touched the ball to the doug collins playbook of get jordan the ball and everybody get the hell out of the way bulls team that never won a champioship by the way till Phil jackson and the triangle offense.which proves that using 1 player or 2 all the time no matter how great they are cant win if u are so called SIM to respond to the overplaying of the players...cant u figure where the ball is gonna go next after a few attemps?and am sure 2k has a good balancing tool with fatigued bar.....
basketball is not about giving,basketball is about taking...u take away the options from offensive players, u take away their scoring threat,taking away their confort zone,take away the ball,take away their spirit their hope their confedence their chance of winning....everything alse has to be earn on the court like a victory and respect.
cheating by using glitches and bugs are not cheesers they r cheaters!!!!
if it is in the game and not cheating then by definition it is still sim because it is in d game and using resources in the game nba sim game that the develpers put in it is by that games deinition sim...ur problem is not with the players using the moves that they can legally do in the game(if it is not a glitch or bug) but the developers that made the nba sim itself....
a game can only be define by the content of it and not by the use of the content because nobody can determine when where and how human input to the game.
i read ur opinions and i respect em cause there yours but likewise i have mine and i am forcing nobody to live by em...but all am saying is that humans are selfish by nature and they will do what they wanna do regardless... play ur style of game and let ppl play theirs.so relax and stop worrying about things u have no control over and just play the game cause is is just a game and have some fun this year playing nba 2k11

am sorry if i said most things ppl already said but i got in a little late on this thread and never read all the post

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I've been posting this thread since 2004, and without pause, guys try to defend there actions in game with ridiculous reasons as to why they do what they do. It never fails. It's america, do what you want, however when a person asks for a sim game adjust your game, or don't play that person.

Just know this you probably are more cheese, than sim, and that's ok.....

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

1. Everyone who plays NBA games aren't NBA fans. They may not know what a good shot is, how to create opps for other players on the court. They just know LBJ is a beast. He may have a bet with his friend that he can score 80 w/ LBJ in his next online matchup. We don't know what others are playing for, or why they are playing...we shouldn't have unrealistic expectations of how others should play...it's uncontrollable. Just got to take the good w/ the bad.

2. Users use what works, not necessarily good basketball. They find their goto and use that until it is stopped. Pretty unaware that they are 'cheesing'. They are just going to what they are comfortable with (excluding known exploits). Just like if a player hacks at half court, and jack a 3 and hit 12 of them in the first quarter...he would think all i want to do is shoot 3, when the real problem is him reaching. He will call u a cheeser. Just like you call them cheesers when they lead pass...they may think u just cant defend it.

3. Defensive Preferences. He may be a C in real life, his favorite player is a C, so he will be his guy on defense, just like others go to Kobe on O.

4. Game limitations. If players dont get tired, why not press. If you have a well conditioned team IRL, you will press for the advantage too. He is just using what the game allows to his advantage. Don't hate the player, hate the game (lol, cant believe i said that). If they aren't getting steals or anything, it's not effective anyway. Same w/ hacking, the devs fault for not turning up reach in fouls. If they are punished, i bet they would stop. IRL, refs letting physical play go...you play more physical b/c no foul are called.

5. Just got to have fun. Stop over analyzing other's play b/c we dont know if they are intentionally trying to mar the experience...most of the time anyways....I know it can be annoying...just take it as practice for the next player that does it.

So i guess, my definintion of cheesing is knowingly abusing exploits. Sim is a range of playing like a coach and just chilling, playing the game for fun, not trying to run sets to perfection, just playing some resemblance of basketball b/c u enjoy the sport but don't know the intricacies.

I've been posting this thread since 2004, and without pause, guys try to defend there actions in game with ridiculous reasons as to why they do what they do. It never fails. It's america, do what you want, however when a person asks for a sim game adjust your game, or don't play that person.

Just know this you probably are more cheese, than sim, and that's ok.....

There is SIM and there is cheese. Then there is different definitions of SIM as well. Ever think that your way of SIM is tainted. Who's to say your SIMand my SIM is wrong. To each there own in there own league of choice. This is why I always run my own leagues with rules. I agree with alot of what you said but I disagree with playing on ball D. If the guy is running around doubling everywhere the ball is then that would classify as cheese imo. I route people who do that but it's not fun at all! I have played many online cheese games and people and it ruins the experience!

The Pistons had the Jordan rules and all 5 guys were in help and knew where Jordan was at all time! They were going to make Bill Cartwright, Paxson, and Oakley and HoGrant beat them. That is a smart strategy. We all know Kobe has superior skills and can beat almost anyone off the dribble so are we going to rely on computer help or am I going to step up and help myself where I know I will contest the shot and force the ball out of his hands.

So, let me ask you again is this style cheese? The last 2 pages defends this point in many different ways from numerous people? I agree with alot of what you say just not the defender of ball is not SIM statement. I know your point is if there is a SIM league and rules then don't break them, I agree. Every league is different. I have looked at a few leagues to join and that is 1 rule I look for and the other for me is longer quarters because if I and everyone else play sim defense and run plays all game then I want realistic scores to the real NBA. Again my preference.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I think where most guys fail to comprehend is ON BALL DEFENSE. This Means you are guarding the guy with the ball. that doesn't mean you can't switch men to help guard the guy with the ball. The Ball is where the action is, why would you shy away from the action...

[RColemanVT]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I think where most guys fail to comprehend is ON BALL DEFENSE. This Means you are guarding the guy with the ball. that doesn't mean you can't switch men to help guard the guy with the ball. The Ball is where the action is, why would you shy away from the action...

Because some people enjoy post defense?