Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

[deetoman]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I'm going to have to agree with the guy above me!!! Anyway from what I've seen half of the people crying "cheese" just don't know how to play the game in general.....

[DETERMINOLOGY]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

People going to cheeze no matter what..

[threes_co]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

People going to cheeze no matter what..

I will never understand why people cannot beat cheesers. They just boost my W-L record.

[kolanji]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I'm going to have to agree with the guy above me!!! Anyway from what I've seen half of the people crying "cheese" just don't know how to play the game in general.....

this could well be the truth

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I think I tend to agree with this statement. I have never been able to play this game online with out some cheese. It is almost impossible to do. Video Basketball is the toughest game to replicate as SIM. It just is. Too easy to exploit, therefore you have to walk on eggshells in basketball sim leagues....too many rules. I want to have fun.

Football is much easier to have a solid sim league.

don't you make the point for sim rules, and sim leagues with this statement? The fact that the game can be brought down to a basic level of kids playing in their back yards with out any rules, or having to dribble at all is more reason to play sim....

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I kinda figured that's what you meant, but you stuck to your guns pretty hard earlier thought you were one of those guys that's strictly guard the guy with the circle around him.

As far as off ball defense, playing zone sort of makes it necessary at least when you're playing the cpu. I don't like to zone up another human unless i notice they can't shoot but if you play a 2-3 your middle defender will vacate the lane for long periods of time. Basically, to make the zone work the way a zone is supposed to you have to control the weak side defenders. Personally i don't think this is such an issue because the zone is so flawed against human players that it's easy to beat with just a few passes.

Still, like i said i see you're point. And now that i understand what you mean i think we're pretty much on the same page. Still not sure how this thread got to be this long but i guess people are sensitive about being called cheesers.

Of course they do, this is the entitlement age. Every tom, Dick, and Harry doesn't think their Crap Stinks....

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

@ newmoon
am sorry ma man but i cant agree with u here one bit....what u consider sim is based on what u expect ppl to do agaisnt u..and that is just not how games,sports nor life is about.u cant go on complaining about things u have no control over..the off the ball defense is in the game if u chose to use it then that is ur style.if it is in the game dont complain about it because it is out of ur control.so in other words u want ppl to limit their game to a portion because the rest is somewhat to u irrelivant to be "SIM"?the truth that u fail to realise is that according to ur definition of a cheeser or a non sim player is every team in the nba.every coach in the nba is a cheeser in that case; from the hack a shaq
procedure to the bad boy of the detroit piston that play dirty and hit JOrdan hard and fast everytime he touched the ball to the doug collins playbook of get jordan the ball and everybody get the hell out of the way bulls team that never won a champioship by the way till Phil jackson and the triangle offense.which proves that using 1 player or 2 all the time no matter how great they are cant win if u are so called SIM to respond to the overplaying of the players...cant u figure where the ball is gonna go next after a few attemps?and am sure 2k has a good balancing tool with fatigued bar.....
basketball is not about giving,basketball is about taking...u take away the options from offensive players, u take away their scoring threat,taking away their confort zone,take away the ball,take away their spirit their hope their confedence their chance of winning....everything alse has to be earn on the court like a victory and respect.
cheating by using glitches and bugs are not cheesers they r cheaters!!!!nobody is gonna give u any thing out there on the court so dont ask ppl to give in to ur so called sim style
if it is in the game and not cheating then by definition it is still sim because it is in d game and using resources in the game nba sim game that the develpers put in it is by that games deinition sim...ur problem is not with the players using the moves that they can legally do in the game(if it is not a glitch or bug) but the developers that made the nba sim itself....
a game can only be define by the content of it and not by the use of the content because nobody can determine when where and how human input to the game.
i read ur opinions and i respect em cause there yours but likewise i have mine and i am forcing nobody to live by em...but all am saying is that humans are selfish by nature and they will do what they wanna do regardless... play ur style of game and let ppl play theirs.so relax and stop worrying about things u have no control over and just play the game cause is is just a game and have some fun this year playing nba 2k11

am sorry if i said most things ppl already said but i got in a little late on this thread and never read all the post

This Sounds Like what a cheeser would say... Not saying that you are, but it sure sounds like it. I play a game built around the NBA, and I expect my Opponent to Play Like a true representation of the NB to the best of their abilities. The other key word in that statement is Opponent... I, You, and Others get online to play against Humans. so for you to take the easy way out, and allow the COMPUTER to play your defense for you is Pathetic. Simple as that.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I'm going to have to agree with the guy above me!!! Anyway from what I've seen half of the people crying "cheese" just don't know how to play the game in general.....

yea, it must be that... It would be ridiculous to think that people actually want to play NBA2K, and have a game that resembles the NBA....... /Sarcasm off

[NDAlum]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I play the CPU or somebody I know, therefore I don't have to worry about this BS.

You couldn't pay me to play an online game against somebody random. I fail to see the appeal. I play video games for fun & competition, with fun being most important. IRL I play sports for 100% competition. It's only fun if I win.

I don't take that mentality to manipulating a controller...

[deetoman]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

yea, it must be that... It would be ridiculous to think that people actually want to play NBA2K, and have a game that resembles the NBA....... /Sarcasm off

When your done being defensive I will explain why I said that, but from looking at your post about this topic on other threads it might take you a while......

[NDAlum]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

This Sounds Like what a cheeser would say... Not saying that you are, but it sure sounds like it. I play a game built around the NBA, and I expect my Opponent to Play Like a true representation of the NB to the best of their abilities. The other key word in that statement is Opponent... I, You, and Others get online to play against Humans. so for you to take the easy way out, and allow the COMPUTER to play your defense for you is Pathetic. Simple as that.

Pathetic? Really?

Wow people sure are serious about this topic!

Maybe there's some sort of life bonus you get for winning an argument on a video game message board that I'm unaware of...

[deetoman]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I love you NDA

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Pathetic? Really?

Wow people sure are serious about this topic!

Maybe there's some sort of life bonus you get for winning an argument on a video game message board that I'm unaware of...

How clever, however the ironic thing is you are here with me on this video game message board..... I wonder if you are aware of that....

I love you NDA

Beware of feeding trolls, they'll expect a meal from you every time.

[ffpp]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Newmoon, please explain this to me: Suppose you're playing the Celtics, Rondo has the ball. Maybe I want to control his defender and defend 1-1, maybe I control my center to protect the basket in case he beats his man and drives to the rim. Or maybe I feel that the AI is doing a bad job on chasing Ray Allen around the court and I also feel that I control his defender rather than anybody else.
How could any of this be cheesing or 'letting the CPU play defense for me' ?

I always thought that defense is a major team effort. You're always only controlling 1/5th of your team at once so the AI is always playing defense for you - always. The action is not only 'where the ball is' but rather everywhere.
Especially if you ever tried to play zone defense in 2k. You have to constantly watch out for open shooters and switch to a defender nearby if you suspect a pass to a good outside scorer.

That still holds true for man-to-man defense. It doesn't matter whether I play the on-ball defender or somebody completely away from the ball, I always have to work and look out on defense. There is nothing cheesy about it.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Newmoon, please explain this to me: Suppose you're playing the Celtics, Rondo has the ball. Maybe I want to control his defender and defend 1-1, maybe I control my center to protect the basket in case he beats his man and drives to the rim. Or maybe I feel that the AI is doing a bad job on chasing Ray Allen around the court and I also feel that I control his defender rather than anybody else.
How could any of this be cheesing or 'letting the CPU play defense for me' ?

I always thought that defense is a major team effort. You're always only controlling 1/5th of your team at once so the AI is always playing defense for you - always. The action is not only 'where the ball is' but rather everywhere.
Especially if you ever tried to play zone defense in 2k. You have to constantly watch out for open shooters and switch to a defender nearby if you suspect a pass to a good outside scorer.

That still holds true for man-to-man defense. It doesn't matter whether I play the on-ball defender or somebody completely away from the ball, I always have to work and look out on defense. There is nothing cheesy about it.

I wrote this in an earlier post but it sums up the proper way to play on ball defense.

" If you have to double then you double, if you have to cut off a lane, then you cut off the lane, but all while still guarding the ball.... I think some people take my On ball defending as I play Man all game, and switch to the appropriate defender who is guarding the ball carrier. Meaning as long as the SF has the Rock, I am defending with The SF on Defense until he passes the ball. This is clearly not what I'm talking about"