Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

[VDusen04]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

/Bravo! This is what I'm talking about.... These topics show you just how many cheesers there are out here in videogame land, and they will defend their Cheese like a Lion protecting it's cub.



All I can say is WOW! You sir are not Sim, Good day, I said GOOD DAY!



What the heck are you talking about! This Post is ridiculous, read some of the posts here in this topic, and you will see where the defensive assistance comes from. No one is telling you not to do what you want, do it til you're blue in the face, but just know this you are not Sim, you are a Cheeser. And guess what that's ok!

What's the deal with the need to brandish someone sim or cheeser? It is difficult to approach you in a sensible manner when you provide your posts with such abrasion and superiority.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

What's the deal with the need to brandish someone sim or cheeser? It is difficult to approach you in a sensible manner when you provide your posts with such abrasion and superiority.

no you are correct, no need for me to brandish what a person is. I'll just let their own words sum up what they are. And this entire Post is about SIM. Yes I do think it's a superior way to play, but I don't begrudge anyone for playing the way they want to. But do not come here and try to represent yourself as a true Sim player, when you clearly are not.

I have given multiple accounts as to why on Ball Defense is the true Sim Nature of this game, and still no one has given a reason as to why it isn't.

[TheKingOfVa]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Nice read

[Krodis]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I have given multiple accounts as to why on Ball Defense is the true Sim Nature of this game, and still no one has given a reason as to why it isn't.

Yes they have, you just don't agree with it.

[NDAlum]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

How clever, however the ironic thing is you are here with me on this video game message board..... I wonder if you are aware of that....



Beware of feeding trolls, they'll expect a meal from you every time.

Troll? Ok man did you ever realize overall I agree with you. I got on the nerves of my league members by posting shot charts. All I saw were X's & O's inside the paint of my so-called sim league I created. There were rules but even those who claimed to be sim would do anything to win the game, which I assume most people let happen.

Mainly that meant forcing the ball to the rack every time by running around near the paint.

You stating that playing off ball D is pathetic is rather ridiculous.

Of course I'm posting on a video game message board, but I'm not trying to win any argument or saying my way of playing a video game is superior.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Playing off the ball in itself is not a cheeser tactic. But like most anything in a videogame, it can be. For that matter playing on the ball can be cheese in some cases (constant reaching for steals ect). As long as you are playing the game in direct parallel to what one would see on a televison broadcast or in real life, you are not a cheeser.

[NDAlum]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Playing off the ball in itself is not a cheeser tactic. But like most anything in a videogame, it can be. For that matter playing on the ball can be cheese in some cases (constant reaching for steals ect). As long as you are playing the game in direct parallel to what one would see on a televison broadcast or in real life, you are not a cheeser.

Exactly. If you score most your points in the paint but they come from fast breaks, great ISO moves to beat your man, pick & roll (legit), nice entry passes with good post moves...no issues here!

You run around the low block to get around your man and find the sweet spot for an exploitable bucket, no good.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Yes they have, you just don't agree with it.

Show me the thread that says me letting the cpu defend you is the same thing as me defending you.....

Troll? Ok man did you ever realize overall I agree with you. I got on the nerves of my league members by posting shot charts. All I saw were X's & O's inside the paint of my so-called sim league I created. There were rules but even those who claimed to be sim would do anything to win the game, which I assume most people let happen.

Mainly that meant forcing the ball to the rack every time by running around near the paint.

You stating that playing off ball D is pathetic is rather ridiculous.

Of course I'm posting on a video game message board, but I'm not trying to win any argument or saying my way of playing a video game is superior.

you're coming at me from a perspective that i'm not 100% sim. I have told you countless times why on Ball D is the proper way to play in a game that is SIM oriented. I don't know care what you do in a Gutter Lobby game.

Playing off the ball in itself is not a cheeser tactic. But like most anything in a videogame, it can be. For that matter playing on the ball can be cheese in some cases (constant reaching for steals ect). As long as you are playing the game in direct parallel to what one would see on a televison broadcast or in real life, you are not a cheeser.

read my last statement. answer me this though, when you get online do you do it to play against a human, or a computer controlled player?

[XxRocky145xX]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

* Comment on Hop Steppers
I’ve seen other people refer to people who hop step into the paint every time. I disagree that this is cheese, and I guarantee it’s not because I use the hop step much. It’s because I, and I think I can speak for the other legit defenders out there, ABSOLUTELY LOVE those people. The hop step is extremely easy to stop….if you’re playing on the ball that is. This becomes a little more of an issue if you play on the lower difficulty levels, but I’ll talk about that a little bit more later.


really really

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Exactly. If you score most your points in the paint but they come from fast breaks, great ISO moves to beat your man, pick & roll (legit), nice entry passes with good post moves...no issues here!

You run around the low block to get around your man and find the sweet spot for an exploitable bucket, no good.

1) NBA League Averages
While the three point shot is a popular option for many of the NBA's twenty-nine teams, the preferable result in most coaches minds on an offensive possession is to get the ball close in to the hoop for a short distance attempt. Here's the NBA shot selection so far: <TABLE cellSpacing=15 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="50%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=1 width=300 bgColor=#cccccc><TBODY><TR bgColor=#33cc33><TD width=60><CENTER>Shot</CENTER></TD><TD width=50><CENTER>Att.</CENTER></TD><TD width=50><CENTER>FG</CENTER></TD><TD width=50><CENTER>eFG</CENTER></TD><TD width=45><CENTER>Ast</CENTER></TD><TD width=45><CENTER>Blk</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#f0f0df><TD><CENTER>Jumper</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>67%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.367</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.415</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>66%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>4%</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD><CENTER>Close</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>26%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.535</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.535</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>53%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>14%</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD><CENTER>Dunks</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>4%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.908</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.908</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>75%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>3%</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD><CENTER>Tips</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>2%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.496</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.496</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>0%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>0%</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#99ff66><TD><CENTER>Totals</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>100%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.437</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>.470</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>61%</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>6%</CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width="50%">So two-thirds of NBA field goal attempts are "jumpers" by our definitions, with the field goal percentage being by far the lowest for any shot type, in part due to the three point attempts. Even adjusting for 3's (the "effective field goal %" or eFG) still leaves jump shots as low efficiency. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Dunks are of course the highest probability for success shot, but getting into position to attempt the dunk is the tricky part! Finally with over 61% of all made buckets also seeing an assist credited, the jump shots come in a tad higher at 66% having a valued passing component.


This is why that argument doesn't hold water....

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

read my last statement. answer me this though, when you get online do you do it to play against a human, or a computer controlled player?

Your heart is in the right place here and I agree with the overall point. But you are being a bit ridiculous. I play with people of like mind online whenever I can help it. If a guy is playing the game as a direct representation of real basketball I am totally ok. If he wants to play off that ball thats fine. As long I'm seeing what I would normally see in a real game I don't mind one bit.

[ffaacc03]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I have given multiple accounts as to why on Ball Defense is the true Sim Nature of this game, and still no one has given a reason as to why it isn't.

Nor have you given a reason as to why off ball d, as I described in my post, isnt sim either.

[NDAlum]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

you're coming at me from a perspective that i'm not 100% sim. I have told you countless times why on Ball D is the proper way to play in a game that is SIM oriented. I don't know care what you do in a Gutter Lobby game.

What? You 800% sim. I agree with the opening posts.

I'm just saying to use powerful language such as pathetic to describe using off ball D is ridiculous.

I use on ball D and don't enjoy facing those who play off ball D.

I will never play an online ranked game vs a random person. Actually even if a friend wanted to I won't.

Online leagues & offline association for me.

[ffaacc03]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

well from all the vids of 2k11 the cpu plays excellent help D so no excuse now. Guys just to have confidence in themselves and step their D up. If you get beat off teh dribbl then switch players to stop the ball, if you see someone cutting to the paint step away from ballhandler and knock the ball of the air. I thought this community was different than the 2k board communtiy after all these years but now i see we go alot of those types here.

I just see it this way because ive been playing 2k for 9 years now. I value what 2k has done in the series. This year they gave us back defensive stance and cut off that we had in 2k8. Truth be told off ball defense isnt bad BUT if your opponent does it the entire game it shows a lack of skill. the "hot potatoe" defense is the lowest of the low. When i face those types whether ranked or forum challengers i just quit the game.

If it is for the whole game and the opposite to what I described in my post, then yes ... its cheese as it is an abusse or extremist technique and no way near sim ... on the other hand I have more respect for a high bball IQ opponent than for a user with stick "skills" ... those just want to cover up their simplistic approach by predicating that on ball d is the utopy of playing defense in the game and that they are the solely thruth sim player when they simply have just agil thumbs ... lol ...

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

What? You 800% sim. I agree with the opening posts.

I'm just saying to use powerful language such as pathetic to describe using off ball D is ridiculous.

I use on ball D and don't enjoy facing those who play off ball D.

I will never play an online ranked game vs a random person. Actually even if a friend wanted to I won't.

Online leagues & offline association for me.

Pathetic in a sim Oriented game.... Now do what you do in a lobby game, or a win at all cost game, in fact throw out all the rules in that instance. But I'm saying that if a person asks for a sim game, and you agree, there is a standard that has to be adhered to, and ON Ball D is, and should be a staple of SIM. That's all I'm saying.