Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'm still torn on what I'd rather have:

Vince

or

Turk/Skip/Lee/Gortat

Once ORL starts filling in the holes we'll see

[OSUFan_88]

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I'm still torn on what I'd rather have:

Vince

or

Turk/Skip/Lee/Gortat

Once ORL starts filling in the holes we'll see

They lose a lot of size without Turk and replacing him with Vince.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Plus their bench is in question now, with Pietrus moving to the starting lineup.. unless they start JJ.

With Pietrus in the starting lineup.. that's pretty lethal. Still though, they're going to have to fill a lot of holes on that bench.

[Cebby]

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I'm still torn on what I'd rather have:

Vince

or

Turk/Skip/Lee/Gortat

Once ORL starts filling in the holes we'll see

I'd take Carter over Rafer/Lee/Battie any day.

I would assume Turk wants a contract where the 2.5 million Orlando lost in cap in this trade wouldn't come into play.

I think the bigger thing Carter brings over Turk is that Turk will be declining hard in 2-3 years. That's when Carter comes off the book and Howard and Nelson will be in their primes. This way, they can sign another top player to become a legitimate threat as a multi-chip team where, with Turk, they'd be stuck with two old, overpaid players.

I still can't believe that Orlando will be paying a 31-33 year old Shard 20, 22, and 23.7 million.

[Pared]

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I can see Toronto over-paying Turk for his services quite easily.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'd take Carter over Rafer/Lee/Battie any day.

I would assume Turk wants a contract where the 2.5 million Orlando lost in cap in this trade wouldn't come into play.

I think the bigger thing Carter brings over Turk is that Turk will be declining hard in 2-3 years. That's when Carter comes off the book and Howard and Nelson will be in their primes. This way, they can sign another top player to become a legitimate threat as a multi-chip team where, with Turk, they'd be stuck with two old, overpaid players.

I still can't believe that Orlando will be paying a 31-33 year old Shard 20, 22, and 23.7 million.

Carter over Lee/Skip is an obvious, however how can you say it doesn't effect bringing back Hedo? Instead of extending Hedo they are now paying that money to Carter

Edit: I'm not sure I understood your point originally..

but now that they have Carter they can say goodbye to Hedo and Gortat. That's the main thing..

Hedo could have signed a 4 year deal and it would have been "good" IMO, he'll be at this level for at least the next 3 years.

[Cebby]

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Carter over Lee/Skip is an obvious, however how can you say it doesn't effect bringing back Hedo? Instead of extending Hedo they are now paying that money to Carter

Because they're only paying 2.5 million more than they'd be paying the other people. I'd imagine Hedo wanted a good bit more than that. I don't think they would be able to pay the 10-12 mil Hedo will want with or without Carter.

But again, they only have to pay Carter than money for 2 years. They'd have to pay Hedo that money for four-six years.

Hedo could have signed a 4 year deal and it would have been "good" IMO, he'll be at this level for at least the next 3 years.

He won't be worth the money he signs for next year, let alone when he's 33 or 34.

[Bornindamecca]

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I'm with Cebby on this one. Long term, this is a better deal for the Magic. They don't want to get locked up in Hedo beyond next year. Short term, the jury is out. Vince is a better scorer than Hedo, and the Magic need that while Dwight develops, but they do lose a bit of their mismatch advantage.

With the experience they all got and Nelson and Howard improving, they could be better next year.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Hedo will get between 10-12 per and probably a 3 or 4 year deal. How would ORL not be able to extend him if they didn't get Carter? They took Carter's 2 year deal for a lot more than 10-12.

Basically ORL chose Carter over Hedo/Gortat/Lee. I guess we'll just have to disagree about Hedo not being a factor in 3 years.

IMO Carter is worth 16 mill over 2 years just as much as Hedo is worth 12 mill over 3 years.

[Bornindamecca]

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Hedo will get between 10-12 per and probably a 3 or 4 year deal. How would ORL not be able to extend him if they didn't get Carter? They took Carter's 2 year deal for a lot more than 10-12.

Basically ORL chose Carter over Hedo/Gortat/Lee. I guess we'll just have to disagree about Hedo not being a factor in 3 years.

IMO Carter is worth 16 mill over 2 years just as much as Hedo is worth 12 mill over 3 years.

The thing is, if Hedo declines or gets injured in his early to mid thirties, you are stuck with him. When Vince comes off the cap, they can resign him for much less to keep him at home and on a great team, and get someone else, or they can let him go and get someone who is closer to their prime.

It's a mild gamble in the short term, and I don't like the fact that they let go of Courtney Lee. For a rookie, he played really well and showed a lot of nice things. I liked this much more if there was a chance that they could keep Turk, but since Vince's contract is so big, we'll just have to see what's what in the short term.

I guess part of it is that I'm not that high on Hedo, despite the great moments he had. I don't view him as a reliable scoring option throughout the entire 48 minutes of a game. Vince gives you a surefire option, and this is the best team he's ever played on.

[ex carrabba fan]

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So it's a given Hedo would have to re-sign for 4-6 years?

I realize all of the positives of Vince, however they are leaving themselves a lot of questions with depth.

[Cebby]

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Hedo will get between 10-12 per and probably a 3 or 4 year deal. How would ORL not be able to extend him if they didn't get Carter? They took Carter's 2 year deal for a lot more than 10-12.

But they traded contracts too.

Carter is worth 16.3 this year. The other three are worth 13. Is that difference of 3 million a huge difference that wouldn't let them resign Hedo or Gorat? I doubt it. They've still got at least 7 mil to spend.

IMO Carter is worth 16 mill over 2 years just as much as Hedo is worth 12 mill over 3 years.

I highly doubt Hedo signs a 3 year contract. I think it'll be four-six years.

So it's a given Hedo would have to re-sign for 4-6 years?

How many 30 year olds sign 3 year contracts at 10+ million?

[ex carrabba fan]

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But they traded contracts too.

Carter is worth 16.3 this year. The other three are worth 13. Is that difference of 3 million a huge difference that wouldn't let them resign Hedo or Gorat? I doubt it. They've still got at least 7 mil to spend.



I highly doubt Hedo signs a 3 year contract. I think it'll be four-six years.

Well the reports that are out there it seems as if the only way to bring Hedo back is to cross the luxary threshold which apparently ORL is willing to do. That is without even mentioning Gortat.

When push comes to shove who knows if ORL opens up their wallet.

[Bornindamecca]

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One thing is for sure. The Magic are going to be a real bitch in Live and 2k10.

[ex carrabba fan]

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How many 30 year olds sign 3 year contracts at 10+ million?

I'm not too sure, if it's an unheard of thing that never happens then my bad.