2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[jeebs9]

My bad for bring up the 2 guard thing lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lFZVC5Utg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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[bigeastbumrush]

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I was going to start a new thread but remember this topic was already out there.

Not a flame/hate post but a legit question: How much better is John Wall right now than Kemba Walker?

Besides size and speed, I don't see any other area where Wall just outclasses Kemba.

Every scouting report and comment from NBA execs knocking Kemba is based on his size.

Okay. Well, Wall couldn't shoot in Kentucky...and he still can't.

He's a much better passer but I don't don't consider him a better player than Kemba.

What do you all think?

[aholbert32]

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I was going to start a new thread but remember this topic was already out there.

Not a flame/hate post but a legit question: How much better is John Wall right now than Kemba Walker?

Besides size and speed, I don't see any other area where Wall just outclasses Kemba.

Every scouting report and comment from NBA execs knocking Kemba is based on his size.

Okay. Well, Wall couldn't shoot in Kentucky...and he still can't.

He's a much better passer but I don't don't consider him a better player than Kemba.

What do you all think?

Size is what matters. Wall is 6'3-6'4. Thats huge when it comes to finishing inside in the NBA.

[jeebs9]

And john wall is probably one of the
better pg to come out in a while. Better passer, better defense, much better overall pg. A Kemba Walker is not going to be able to cover a john wall for to long.


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[ex carrabba fan]

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Yes, Aaron is right.

Wall already at this stage can finish in traffic pretty well compared to other guards. Wall is big enough to play off guard as well at times. That is due to his frame and height.

Wall to me is still a mystery. He was compared to Rose when he was coming out, but I really don't project him to be that caliber a player. Still too early, but that's just how I feel.

I could very well see Wall getting to the All-Star game though.

Kemba is an interesting case. I'd rather pick him than not pick him if I had a lottery pick. Compared to what else is out there. Not in the top 5, but the top 10.

What I really don't understand is the love for Brandon Knight. I really don't see anything special about that guy.

[Tydis]

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Kemba will be a good fit on teams that have a non-guard who brings the ball up and runs the offense, a Hedo type. Allowing him to come off screens and move without the ball in his hands.

Or even along side a really big point, someone like Jason Kidd. If J.J. Barea can play alongside Kidd so can Kemba. This would allow him to play some without the ball in his hand and not hamper the team defensively as the larger point could guard the two.

Kemba is too small to guard two's effectivley.

I'm no scout, my word is not gospel. Treat it as such.

EDIT: All of the above is under the impression he has to be able to play off the ball to be at his best. As some are saying.

[ehh]

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I obviously love Kemba but he doesn't have nearly the physical gifts that Wall does. Although, like Ex said, Wall has been and remains a bit of a mystery to me. D-Rose has "it" and IMO it was pretty easy to see that at Memphis. I can't say the same for Wall. I feel like Wall will probably be closer to Tyreke than Rose (not in style of play), put up great numbers and wow people but not necessarily be a winner or have that great basketball sense.

What I really don't understand is the love for Brandon Knight. I really don't see anything special about that guy.

Neither do I, though it's funny because I like him quite a bit as a college player. I think he's more of a true PG as an 18 year old than Rose or Wall were but his ceiling is way lower. Both games against UConn the quickness of Kemba & Bazz really bothered him.

I think he can and will be a solid NBA player but I don't see much beyond that. Smart kid, seems very humble and a hard worker. There's always room for a player like that in the NBA.


Also, for the 2G discussion with Kemba, he won't play off the ball in the NBA. The reasons have been well documented as to why Calhoun moves him off-ball and why he's more effective that way in college. That won't be needed at the next level, he'll be a PG.

[jeebs9]

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^^ Totally agree ^^

What I really don't understand is the love for Brandon Knight. I really don't see anything special about that guy.

What they see in Brandon is SIZE. But I agree... I don't see all the hype or things being said about him. But on the other hand I have seen much on him either (besides the NCAA's).

[ex carrabba fan]

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Kemba will be a good fit on teams that have a non-guard who brings the ball up and runs the offense, a Hedo type. Allowing him to come off screens and move without the ball in his hands.

Or even along side a really big point, someone like Jason Kidd. If J.J. Barea can play alongside Kidd so can Kemba. This would allow him to play some without the ball in his hand and not hamper the team defensively as the larger point could guard the two.

Kemba is too small to guard two's effectivley.

I'm no scout, my word is not gospel. Treat it as such.

You bring up a good point about JJ.

But I would say that isn't really winning basketball and you can't really keep that lineup in for too long.

But yeah if you're gonna keep Kemba in a reserve role, I like that comparison to JJ Barea, or like I said Lawson/Bledsoe

[bigeastbumrush]

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Size is what matters. Wall is 6'3-6'4. Thats huge when it comes to finishing inside in the NBA.

Size is what matters but what has Wall done to show that?

I honestly haven't seen enough of him, so there's no hate involved.

I can't see Wall finishing off a team. You know, that dude that is just a problem at the end of a game...where the defense is nervous.

Maybe he just hasn't developed it yet.

The other elite PGs have 'it'. Kemba has it. Wall doesn't IMO.

If I'm wrong, definitely show me otherwise.

And in no way shape or form am I saying Kemba Walker can finish off an NBA team. Just making convo for comparison purposes.

[bigeastbumrush]

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And john wall is probably one of the
better pg to come out in a while. Better passer, better defense, much better overall pg. A Kemba Walker is not going to be able to cover a john wall for to long.


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You think Wall can cover Kemba?

And as far as Brandon Knight goes...someone needs to get in this kid's ear and tell him to come back next year.

The best scouting report I read on him was that he plays videogame basketball...during games.

Like, he'll just shoot and shoot and shoot as if it doesn't matter.

[Rocky]

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Size is what matters but what has Wall done to show that?

I honestly haven't seen enough of him, so there's no hate involved.

I can't see Wall finishing off a team. You know, that dude that is just a problem at the end of a game...where the defense is nervous.

Maybe he just hasn't developed it yet.

The other elite PGs have 'it'. Kemba has it. Wall doesn't IMO.

If I'm wrong, definitely show me otherwise.

And in no way shape or form am I saying Kemba Walker can finish off an NBA team. Just making convo for comparison purposes.

John Wall is pretty much two years removed from high school. Let him at least spend a couple of years in the league before we say he has 'it'.

In any case his first year numbers and college numbers compared to Rose's aren't bad:

Wall's rookie season: 16.1 PPG, 8.5 APG, 4.5 RPG, .407 FG%, .287 3P%

Rose's rookie season: 16.8 PPG, 6.5 APG, 3.8 RPG, .475 FG%, .233 3P%

In anycase, I see Kemba Walker as a Mo Williams type. A guy who can put up 12-15 a game as a PG but not the best guy to really run your team as a starter.

[bigeastbumrush]

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John Wall is pretty much two years removed from high school. Let him at least spend a couple of years in the league before we say he has 'it'.

In any case his first year numbers and college numbers compared to Rose's aren't bad:

Wall's rookie season: 16.1 PPG, 8.5 APG, 4.5 RPG, .407 FG%, .287 3P%

Rose's rookie season: 16.8 PPG, 6.5 APG, 3.8 RPG, .475 FG%, .233 3P%

In anycase, I see Kemba Walker as a Mo Williams type. A guy who can put up 12-15 a game as a PG but not the best guy to really run your team as a starter.

And why would their FG%s be so vastly different?

This is what I'm trying to get at. He's barely shooting 40%.

If he has so much size and is so physical and can get to the rim so easily, why is his FG% so low?

And is it not that which will separate him from other players? Elite players?

This is not a John Wall thread I know. But why are college players being knocked for their lack of size when someone who has the size can't barely crack 40% shooting.

Same goes for Sullinger.

[BlueNGold]

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Personally I think John Wall can get to that Derrick Rose MVP level, unless he's one of those shady characters that gets into trouble off the court like Tyreke. The skill level is more than there and from what I've seen he doesn't have to dominate the ball.

Don't forget that Rose could barely shoot his first year or 2 in the league either.

[jeebs9]

I see what guys are trying to say about wall vs rose. I remember this same argument was brought up when Wall was drafted. Let me see if I can find the article.

But I will say I feel Wall is a better pg in terms of passer.

Edit: here it goes

http://www.nbadraft.net/content/will...s-derrick-rose

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